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Themes.org Returning 73

Posted by Hemos from the i-will-return! dept.
Well, a number of readers noted, and I've been on X-Chat with ElCoronel and technoir regarding themes.org. It's been down for the last day or so due to some technical difficulties (hard drive go buh-bye!), but it should be returning soon -- it was not Apple seizing the hardware, like a couple of submitters had thought.Most of you probably noticed that Themes is back-up - thanks to Patrick Ashmore, Tony Ramos, and Marc Merlin (and anyone else I forgot) for riding the evil-hell bus of late night sysadmining, finding the problem and fixing it.
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  • What VA did to Techn0ir 2 years ago. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward


    Check out this earlier Slashdot article [slashdot.org] about Technoir and VA. Be glad this company is going into the crapper.


  • Themes are good, but... (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Is what the software industry really needs at the moment pretty widgets to click? all different shapes, colours, etc? Not really....what we need is a stable, non-memory-leaky (that eliminates BSD, Linux, Windows and MacOS immediately) fast, open source (that eliminates QNX and BeOS) small (that eliminates almost all OSes on the market) OS...that OS is AROS.

    Themes can wait, the OS and software industry in general is very sick and needs attention. The only benefit of current (buggy,slow,complicated) OSes is job security. Noone can remember all of NT's 128,000 bugs or all 16,000 intricacies of the Linux kernel's bugs and oddities but pure OS zealots of those two systems.

    This needs to change -fast.

  • My favourite theme of all times. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Eliliana Vasquez [themes.org], born in Mexico in 1655, she moved to America, where she faced the Great Depression, and lost her brother afterward. She then married, and started a family in 1693, where she stayed in Fort Stockon in Texas. She lived there for quite awhile, where she lived with her husband, a general from the Mexican Revolution. She has such a rich history, I can't possibly expain it here, but if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here today. She was a religious person who believed in Christ, and as of Thursday, April 5, at 12:37, the Lord accepted her into his arms. I will remember her always; she was the most influential person I met, I am glad for the times we had together, the fun times I spent with her, and the sad times we struggled to get though, and I am glad she went peacefully.
    Goodbye, grandmother, we will meet again.

    --Shoeboy
    (Posting anonymously to preserve my precious karma.)


  • Is it just me, or do other people find it just a touch ironic that one of VA's own flagship sites goes down and stays down for *days*...a system run by their own employees, on their own hardware. Great product endorsement, guys.



  • "Every time IBM says Linux, our phone rings." - Larry Augustin, 2001.

    This guy wants you to buy a "server" that dies because a single HD fails. Meanwhile, IBM sells RAID arrays built to withstand earthquakes, fire damage, power failures, collisions up to 27 G's worth of force. Mmmmkay.
  • I've been on X-Chat with...

    Perhaps you mean "I've been on IRC with..." instead? Dammit Hemos, you sound like the newbies who say "I was talking to somebody on mIRC yesterday," you should know better than that.

  • Re:X Themes (Score:3)

    by Genom ( 3868 ) on Monday April 09, 2001 @04:55AM (#305922)
    Hmm...I'm not sure it's an actual do-able idea - but I'd start with ONE wm, and make it compatible with the rest - then add the others.

    For example...the original poster's itch was using Windowmaker themes in Sawfish. OK - first you have to make a "generic" Windowmaker theme for Sawfish (or if there's already a good one available, modify that) with "hooks" for the various Windowmaker theme components (gradients, pixmaps, etc...) -- then you'll have to make a parser that goes through the Windowmaker theme, and converts everything to a format your meta-theme can understand.

    I'm not much of a programmer myself (I dabble in perl a bit) but that's a heckuva lot more complicated than I just made it sound. =)

    The real problems will come when you're trying to convert a theme from an "uber-shell wm" like Enlightenment (that has many, many different configs) to a more restrictive wm, like Windowmaker.

  • Oh, come one. Web companies don't keep their web updated, the cobbler's children always go barefoot, etc. All of that is indeed ironic, but it doesn't mean anything.
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  • If /. and sourceforge didn't have very, very regular hardware problems I might find it ironic. Instead I'll vote for "sort of pathetic." I like VA (this is being typed on a box they manufactured) and hope they do well. But their "flagship" websites are not their best advertisement.
    ~luge
  • But I see palm.themes.org still doesn't have anything on it :)

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  • Lionman has been promising this for ages, perhaps you can beat him to it.

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  • ok, I didn't notice either until someone pointed it out to me, but that doesn't mean t.o isn't important.

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  • I'm pretty sure most of them were submitted with the offending parts removed. Just grab your fave macish themes and plaster apple logos on them and you'll have something similar.

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  • Yeah, why can't they just use one of those 100% uptime systems like eveyone else.

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  • That's a nice goal, but the problem is that the different theme engines probably don't line up all that well together - you have to design different bits and pieces for different themes.

    The real trick would be to identify the bits that *are* common between, say, GTK+ and QT themes, and let those be shared, and provide a mechanism to allow your theme designers to do the toolkit specific bits.

    Or everyone else could stop using (insert non-favourite WM/toolkit here) and switch to (insert favourite WM/toolkit here) the problem would go away . . . :)

    Go you big red fire engine!

  • Yes, there a few zealots out there that hate every company that runs off proprietary code.

    They should probably take a hint from Sun since they make most of their cash from hardware. After all, most MacOS folks would not download their OS, they would still buy the CD.

    However, you can't forget the ridiculous look and feel copyrigth nonsense mail they sent to themes.org on a couple of their themes that were modeled after their venerable OS. That is enough to make most ./'s nervous and suspicious.

    There are two types of people who are suspicious or hate Apple.

    1) You got the guys who are pissed off at the legal tactics pulled off on themes.org. I can't blame them I used those themes and nobody is going to mistake my linux box for a Mac. I can't really blame these folks. You think a company is getting cool releasing some of their source code to the world and think they might have a clue, then, -BLAM!- they let their lawyers pull that kind of bonehead play.

    2) You got people who hate Apple because they hate everything that isn't linux and Open Source. Some go far as to just blindly hate everything that is big and corporate. They hate Intel so they use AMD. They hate Microsoft, which is just normal everyone hates Mickey$oft. They hate, hate, hate, hate...

    BTW, they can't legally take their hardware but they could shut down the site through the courts if they ever got really ticked off of at the Mac OS modeled themes again.

    Not all people are necessarily suspicious Apple's intentions. I think the company's leaders actually believe they are trying to do the right thing and make money at the same time.

  • Eh, well the concept comes from the fact that Apple told Themes.org to remove a couple of themes which they claim to have encroached upon their trademark in the past. The manner in which they have pursued their trademark has at times bordered (but not broken) the "ruthless" level. However, I do agree that it is more than a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to believe that Apple would charge these guys in some legal manner which resulted in a seizure of hardware. I keep getting images of an insane Steve Jobs rushing in, punching people out and smashing computers with a crowbar *snicker*.

  • The AC has a point - real web hosting is never supposed to go down. You use redundant hardware, failover, etc., but the service remains available. Of course hardware fails from time to time, but with a properly designed system your site doesn't die with it.

    Of course, t.o probably isn't the most important site that VA is running gratis; imagine if SourceForge had been down...

  • What we need is an OS that's finished, by some definition of the term. looking at the AROS faq, it seems that you're three-quarters of the way there.

    please shut the hell up until then.

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  • i can't tell if this is a troll, but...

    well to be fair there is another benefit to the current crop of buggy, slow, and complicated OSs and that's that they are quite useful for most workloads and applications now. and it is hard to see how another os would be immune: as the capabilities the kernel provides increase, so does its size, and the number of bugs introduced. most every os at one time or another has been small, fast, and nearly bug-free; then it got useful.

    the job security thing though is another miss too. anyone in a company is basically interchangable, and there is always going to someone able to step in and get up to speed with things. with the free oses there is no job to secure. or perhaps you mean by the users?

    os's are complicated because they do complicated things. they're buggy because doing complicated things is hard. on the otherhand you are always free to run a single task at a time, and take care of your own memory management.

    i say this not so much for your benefit, as for mine. i have successfully avoided working on stuff for 15 minutes.

    anonymous hero indeed!
  • Believe it or not, MS makes some good products. They're just on the Mac! :)

    I call BS on that one. Office 2001:mac is a GREAT product. It is more Mac-like than any product they've made for a color Mac in the past. The last great version of Word for the Mac was Word 4.0. Also, IE 5 for the Mac (classic not OS X) is a very good product. A lot of people seem to have problems with it, but I do not. I just wish that MS would sync some of the cool features of the IE 5 (Mac) and IE 5.x (Windows).

    Mike

  • Re:Siezing? (Score:3)

    by mjpaci ( 33725 ) on Monday April 09, 2001 @02:58AM (#305937) Homepage Journal
    I just got an image in my head of a bunch of Apple stormtroopers, looking much like the Star Wars versions, except with different colored, large, shiny apple logos on their chest, marching in and siezing hardware


    Shouldn't the stormtroopers' whole body armor be in the iMac colors? Ruby, Indigo, Snow, Sage, Graphite, Tangarine, etc.


    Mike

  • Name one one piece of hardware/software/anyware that is 100% reliable 100% of the time.

    Question: How did this AC get +3 for this troll?

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    I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.
  • Fully body armor is not something you want to be made out of tinted transparent plastic... :-)

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    I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.
  • While backing up should always be done (and it probably was in this case), it may not always be the solution.

    For example, what if the controller board on the drive dies?

    One could say "Well, go down to Fry's and buy a new drive, slap it in and restore!", but rarely is it that simple.

    You see, hardware manufacturers sometimes have maintenance contracts (and when I mean hardware, I mean the high end, "sell-yo-mamma-to-afford-it" type stuff) that stipulate that in order for the contract and warantee on the product to remain valid, you must do all service through the manufacturer.

    That means when something fails, you have to call them, get them to come out when they can (at _their_ earliest possible conveniance), then they have to diagnose the problem, say "Yep, it's the hard drive alright!", then they call in to get a replacement hard drive - but maybe they don't have a spare, so it needs to be overnighted or couriered in from IBM or somewhere, then they get it, install it, verify it is working, then let you restore your data (which might take a day in itself, depending on if you send tapes out for offsite storage, and your rotation happened just before the crash, so now your tapes are in transit to storage - wait some more!).

    Later in the month they send you a check for [bignum] bucks...

    So, while in theory something that could have been done in a day using COTS hardware and a good admin, generally takes a ton of time when dealing with the higher end hardware. In this case, I don't think themes.org has to worry about a bill, they are probably doing a managed co-lo somewhere, and don't own the hardware. If they _do_ own the hardware, oh-boy, will they love the bill (at that point it becomes an issue whether you should stick to high-end, or go with a more COTS solution, and hope it doesn't break often under load)...

    Worldcom [worldcom.com] - Generation Duh!
  • Just found out it was run on VA by themselves - that is pathetic - relatively COTS, should _NOT_ have taken this long to restore to operation!

    What I was speaking of tends to happen when you work with companies like Sun, SGI, or IBM - but it is truely amazing when it takes this long for a company that built and runs the hardware to fix the problem...

    Worldcom [worldcom.com] - Generation Duh!
  • Actually, that's not quite it.
    Slashdot is run by employees.
    Linux.com and themes.org are community sites run
    by a handful of employees and lots of volunteers
    worldwide (including some sysadmins).

    1) many of these people, not only aren't paid
    obviously, but they have lives, especially
    during the weekend
    2) As for on staff people who had physical access
    to the machine to help out, one was moving this
    weekend and the other one was sick.
    3) Coordinating with people on the other side of
    the globe on a weekend ain't always a piece of
    cake.

    So sure, flame along, when you've been a sysadmin
    on call (without necessarily being paid for it),
    we can talk about it again.

    BTW,
  • Just for the record, the system didn't die because of a hard drive, apparently it just crashed, and god forbid, it may even be linux that crashed.

    Sure, a drive died, but the machine was running RAID obviously, and the array was still working after that, but due to some unknown problem, the machine crashed and the kernel refused to load after a reboot (either a problem on disk, or an admin problem which caused an bad kernel to be installed)

    Hard to say for sure after the fact, but at this point it can be a software problem as well as a hardware one (or even a admin mistake)
  • Exactly how do you plan to do that? It always sounds good until you actually try and do it. Personally; I don't even know where you'd begin with such an idea.
  • I see a bunch of fruity-colored stormtroopers stumbling around, twisting their torso this way and that, smacking their head on the doorjam because of the iHelmet being integrated into the iBodyArmor (ala the iMac monitor), and the short, fat and round iBoots (like the iMac mice)... toddle toddle...

    And all the time shouting "what? what?", because you can't hear a thing on those Bang and Olfson headsets...

  • Gee... (Score:2)

    by pkj ( 64294 )
    And I always thought themes.org went down due to bad blood between its developers and VA.

    Kinda funny that no one noticed the great big OSDN banner at the top of every page on the site.

    Can you say cross promotion?

    I knew you could...

  • " it was *not* Apple seizing the hardware, like a couple of submitors had thought. "

    Are linux users that suspicious/ full of hate of Apple? What reasoning can people use to come to the conclusion that Apple can seize theme.org's hardware? I don't mean this as flamebait, but come on, how can *Apple* legally grab their hardware?
  • Yes, I agree with your comments, especially point 1. Apple's legal tactics have infuriated the Mac community on many occasions and will undoubtedly continue to do so.

    But there's a big difference between asking themes.org to remove something (something themes.org has done in the past and say they agree with protecting copyrights) and assuming that Apple had taken the site's hardware.

    I'm just guessing here, but I would think that themes.org would notify it's audience that Apple was threatening legal action long before a court decision was handed down that said the site must come down. There's also a big difference between having a site go down or offline and having the hardware confiscated as you pointed out. What I don't understand is why people would think Apple can take their hardware.

    I also think it was a cheap shot to say that in the summary, but sadly, I'm not surprised.

    As usually happens, the simplest explanation is the correct one. I just wish that people would think before making accusations that just dont make sense.

    As for point 2 I see that way too often here, especially in the last year. I have this love/hate thing for /. in the last year and keep hoping that the people full of hate would diminish or at least provide some good debate, but unfortunately, I don't see that happening.

    Anyway, glad I got a reasoned response, even though I agree with everything you said, I was hoping somebody else would say it in a polite manner.
  • "So, yes, many people are suspicious of Apple, and based on Apple's history, there is some reason for that. I think one can ask with equal justification why so many people are so in love with Apple."

    I am certainly not in love with Apple. However, I am in love with the Mac interface. It makes computing a pleasure for me unlike my experience with either Windows or Linux. I don't won't to speak for others, but I would venture many Mac users would feel the same way.

    I think your comments illustrate the failure of people to seperate the product from the company. Believe it or not, MS makes some good products. They're just on the Mac! :)

    "Apple is primarily a money-making venture; innovation, law suits, image, style, quality, open source, and other issues are merely means to that end."

    Well I think that's the defintion of a business. I think businesses should be able to make a (reasonable) profit. But again, I think the reaction that somehow Apple stole theme.org's hardware steps way over the line of common sense.

    If there was a history of Apple grabbing other people's hardware, I could understand, but AFAIK that's never happened. The worst cases I am familiar with (and I've been following Apple on the web for about 4 years now) is the "cease and desist" letter usually followed up by the removal of the content in question. The fact that themes.org has done this in the past would seem to strengthen the argument that Apple *didn't* take their hardware to me.

    But just because Apple defends it's IP doesn't mean they'd do a raid and seize hardware on their own initiaitive.
  • Because they don't know the magic word: RAID.

    get 2 IDE drives dammit and mirror them. Linux can do this. *BSD also. Or get a hw raid card if you're too lazy to configure /dev/md0 (or the *BSD equivalent).


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  • Siezing? (Score:3)

    by dimator ( 71399 ) on Monday April 09, 2001 @01:59AM (#305951) Homepage Journal
    it was *not* Apple seizing the hardware

    I just got an image in my head of a bunch of Apple stormtroopers, looking much like the Star Wars versions, except with different colored, large, shiny apple logos on their chest, marching in and siezing hardware. And Jeff Goldblum, dressed in black, coming in right behind them, saying "I want those themes.org maintainers alive!"


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  • People only learn about usefullness of it when it is too late. On the other hand, backuping up is never late, since there is always the "nex time".

  • Stallman got a bug up his ass about them suing Microsoft over look and feel issues and requested that developers not port FSF code to the Apple platform. That pretty much set the tone for the OSS/Apple relationship ever since then. Apple's every bit as much the proprietary software shop that OSS developers love to hate that Microsoft is. The only reason you don't hear about them more is that they're more obscure.

    What it boils down to is Apple and Microsoft are in the way of our World Domination plans. Of course, we're in the way of theirs too, so I suspect it kind of evens out...

  • Does anyone else find themes under X a little disconcerting? I'm pretty sick of the fact that I can't use any of the WindowMaker themes under my Gnome/Sawfish combo.

    I'm planning on writing a library frontend to themes that would let any window manager and widget set use all themes by going through the library. There would be a universal theme format as well for eventual use that would be WM/Widget set unspecific. Any thoughts on the idea?

    "I may not have morals, but I have standards."
  • OK, so, dude, your .sig is quite offensive and stupid and you're not scaring anyone so change it even if you think thats a very cool thing to have tacked onto the end of your posts. thanks
  • That sig is just the equivalent of having a booger hang out your nose and not knowing it I think. Just trying to do him a favor.
    So tap or I hyperextend your elbow, groundwork freak...
    peace
    dont reply to this
  • Look, I knew that, it's the "do not trifle with me." bit that bothers me. Nevermind the bollocks.
  • Sorry, but I'd rather have the OS zealots that I'm familiar with that newbies in the OS zealot business such as you.
  • Yes, I'm perfectly aware. 1g = 9.81 m/s^2

    Acceleration stands for change of speed in relation to time. If you drom something on a hard surface, the time it takes to decelerate to 0 is very short, so you get astoundingly high accelerations (or decelerations, in that case) even though the speed wasn't all that high.

  • No, I'm actually pretty sure he'd want you to buy a server that doesn't, because such a server would cost considerably more $$$.

    As for the second, I fail to see how withstanding fire or earthquake is funcionality that a RAID array should or could provide, and 27g of acceleration is downright pathetic, because you get peak accelerations that are a multiple of that if you just drop a HD a few inches on a hard surface, and most of your ragular, cheap-as-dirt ATA HDs can actually withstand that without a problem.

  • Oh, I see that you're a troll. Sorry to bother you. Go on.

  • So, where can I get those OSX themes

    If you remove the parts with copyright and trademark restrictions (i.e. remove any Apple and Mac logos and make the pills look slightly different), you get the newer crop of aqua-like themes. But while you're waiting for them to show up, you can play Vitamins [8m.com], a Dr. Mario clone that makes fun of Aqua.

  • Am I the only one who pictures a group of guys, dressed in all black, repelling through the skylight? A few are grabbing computers and servers, and another is setting up some C-4 and a detonator. As they leave, they have "Think different" written on their backs. *shudder*
  • Apple is the dark [islandnet.com] side. :)
  • I pity the poor stormtrooper who has to wear the flower power colored armor... >>Shouldn't the stormtroopers' whole body armor be in the iMac colors? Ruby, Indigo, Snow, Sage, Graphite, Tangarine, etc.
  • is this news? Come on, lets have some quality in postings for christ's sake.

    Apple seizing the hardware is bs - come on. Apple is not the government...

    I think this thread should focus on servers - A sorta ask slashdot thing - If a failure of one HDD takes your server down, is it really a server?

    Oh well...

    I have a shotgun, a shovel and 30 acres behind the barn.

  • you're a fuckin' idiot... the AC pretty much said all that I was going to say. Perhaps one of these sigs would be easier for you to swallow...

    And as for the booger thing, that point sucked. sorry, but you, fellow slashdot sheep, are either really bored or retarded.

    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.

    "Nuclear weapons can destroy all life on earth,
    if used properly" -David Byrne

    - - - I like the light airy taste of menthol .sig's

    There are three types of people in the world; those who can count, and those who can't.

    When I was your age, I had to walk across the room to change the channel!

    Fact: there are a lot of wierd loonies arround talking utter drivel.

    1:30:17

    -- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them.

    I hope Jesus was right when he said the meek would inherit the earth; the stupid have it at the moment.

    (*SIGH* Now *I'M* taking pot shots at Microsoft on /. ... sheesh!)

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.

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    --- "Don't mind me cutting myself on Occam's Razor"

    "Genetically, you are much closer to a chimp than a chimp is to an orangutan. Mentally, too."

    This is just a test........ if this was an actual sig, you would have been mildly amused..........

    Procrastination is great. It gives me a lot more time to do things that I'm never going to do."

    100% of statistics are misleading.

    Of course, this whole thing prompted the (poor) joke: Q: What's the difference between an Airbus and a chainsaw? A:10,000 trees per minute

    Observation: Cleverness of code is proportional to facial hair. OTOH, code quality is inversely proportional

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - B.F.

    All hands abandon ship. Repeat, all hands ab...

    There may be many reasons not to kill you, but among them is not that you'll be missed by NASA - The Long Kiss Goodnight

    The AOL-Time Warner-Microsoft-Intel-CBS-ABC-NBC-Fox corporation:

    Meeting all your entertainment needs

    I came here for a good argument!

    No you didn't! No, you came here for an argument.

    Q: What's the difference between a Harley motorcycle and a Hoover vacuum cleaner? A: The Hoover has the dirtbag on the inside.

    If Linux were a beer, it would be shipped in open barrels so that anybody could piss in it before delivery.

    GET A FUCKING JOB - CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY YOU FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!

    On a second thought, Methinks I might change my sig.

    I'm thinking something along the lines of "newaza is a worthless pile of stinking dogshit that doesn't contribute to society - he has nothing better to do than to troll on /. bitching about people's sigs" or something, but then there is that 120 char limit and stuff.. oh well...

    Might not be


    I have a shotgun, a shovel and 30 acres behind the barn.

  • A web site goes down for a day and it's news? Please.

    Must be a slow news day.

    How about some news [yahoo.com] that does affect more than seven people? Granted not the first choice of slashdotters, but it does affect a lot of people.

  • Not a bad idea. It will be hellish though, to cooperate with something like Enlightenment or GTK. They both have horrible theme mechanisms. But E is about to switch to a new one, maybe it will be better.
  • lol,. funny +1. :)
  • 27g of acceleration ? Are you on crack? Do you have any idea what the 'g' stands for???
  • BTW, they can't legally take their hardware but they could shut down the site through the courts if they ever got really ticked off of at the Mac OS modeled themes again.

    Apple couldn't legally take their hardware, but they could get a judge to issue a warrant and have the police sieze the computers (ala Steve Jackson Games, DeCSS, etc.).

    But I'm glad to see that Apple hasn't gone that nuts... yet.




    Viv
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  • yay. I was wondering what had happened to it... now maybe I can get a new look to my icewm desktop. :)
  • I am glad to be back slashdotting too. I would like to know how you guys feel when you haven't been to slashdot. I feel I am missing my morning tea or late night coffee.
  • http://www.elcoronel.com/ has been slashdotted
  • Hemos, you might wanna update your xchat link to point to www.xchat.org. that sourceforge site has a REALLY old release. =)

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    Tres_Status
  • Oh, yes, what a highly insightful post. We urgently need some obscure OS (even moreso then the UNIX variants out there) to save us from all the horrible wrong involved with running what we currently are. Nevermind it has no software applications, no drivers, no large userbase.... That's just the price of being a revolutionary!

  • This darn outage hit just when I rebuilt the OS on my laptop! (I had RH before, and it was too massive, so I went with Peanut Linux 8.4 this time)

    Got on over the weekend to get some kick-butt KDE2.1 themes, and found T.O offline! I was very dismayed....
  • But again, I think the reaction that somehow Apple stole theme.org's hardware steps way over the line of common sense.

    But it doesn't seem implausible for Apple to get a court injunction and have the police pull the plug. I was assuming that that was what people implied happened.

  • Some go far as to just blindly hate everything that is big and corporate.

    And some people misinterpret the relationship between consumers and corporations as one between natural persons. It isn't. It is perfectly legitimate for Apple to consider having themes.org shut down if they violate their copyright, and it is perfectly legitimate for people to discuss the possibility. "Apple" is not a person whose feelings can be hurt by such discussions.

  • Re:Apple hatred (Score:3)

    by janpod66 ( 323734 ) on Monday April 09, 2001 @01:36AM (#305981)
    Apple can't legally "grab" their hardware, but if they could make a case that themes.org keeps violating their intellectual property, they could probably get some local police department to pull the plug. In addition, Apple has a pretty rocky history when it comes to intellectual property claims against others. And Jobs isn't exactly known for being the most restrained executive in the world either.

    So, yes, many people are suspicious of Apple, and based on Apple's history, there is some reason for that. I think one can ask with equal justification why so many people are so in love with Apple. The truth is probably somewhere in between: Apple is primarily a money-making venture; innovation, law suits, image, style, quality, open source, and other issues are merely means to that end. Sometimes, they may be genuine, sometimes they are merely faked.

  • But the whole suits should be in a variety of fruity colors.

    "I find your lack of faith... refreshing. Continue to Think Different, in accord with company policy."
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  • Yeah, now I can get the Ron E theme done by Kodman
  • i can't tell if this is a troll, but...

    If it WALKS like a troll, KWAKS like a troll, but carries a SIGN that says NOOO TRULL; what would your most likely course of action be?





  • Agreed. BitchX aaall the wayyy... :D





  • On X-Chat? Lol....
  • Pedantic ? Perhaps. However, I can see why the comment was made. Consider if your friend said to you several times during a conversation something along the lines of "I was on Netscape last night, and I found this great website". Only slightly annoying, right ? But what if your friend's friend started saying it, etc ? Viola, a new generation of users learn improper syntax concerning the use of the "internet"

    Which reminds me of my main point. ;-) Who does not know someone that says "internet" when they mean "World Wide Web" ? Port 80 is just one of them folks, but Joe User doesn't know this. It's annoying. It's frustrating. It may also be pedantic - if so, a pedant I am.
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