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NEC Announces 61-inch Monitor 143

return 42 writes: "NEC will start selling 61-inch monitors next month. No pricing yet (if you have to ask, you can't afford it)." I'll promise to return it if NEC sends me one for review. Honest. Cross my heart. Update Chrisd sent us a related note, here's a 63" that got stolen. One of a kind of kind souvenir baby!
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NEC Announces 61-inch Monitor

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  • by Anonymous Coward
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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Did you actually read the article? That is .99 mm, not .99 inches -- pretty darn good.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    It helps to carry a clipboard; make notes from time to time on it. You can go anywhere and get away with anything if you have some sort of uniform and look serious.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    ...that degause button...you may fry your knuts and cook the cat in one fell swoop!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:22AM (#157658)
    If 7-11 can sell a 64-ounce big gulp, then it figures that things like this will follow. It's the Ford Excursion of monitors; a pixel-guzzling sport-utility-display.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:44AM (#157659)
    Directions:

    Get 1200 red light bulbs, 1200 green light bulbs, 1200 blue light bulbs, a DAC, 4000 feet of 12 guage wire, and a 220 volt three phase power source.

    Step one. Mount light bulbs in RGB clusters and wire them.
    Step two. Use DAC to convert analog VGA signal to digital light bulb switch.
    Step three. Connect to computer and power source.

    Max resolution: about 35 x 35 Min resolution: about 35 x 35

  • by Nick ( 109 )
    I got 10 to 1 saying it shows up on eBay within 24 hours.
  • What is the advantage of this monstrosity over a tabletop projector that costs a fraction as much and can probably use a bigger screen?

  • by CaseyB ( 1105 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:53AM (#157662)
    I've been convinced for a while that this is the way to go in the long run. Find the sweet spot in production display size (maximize the size vs. yield tradeoff to get the cheapest price per cm^2) and let users buy as much as they need or want for a given application.

    I'd be willing to put up with a small margin for the benefit of an arbitrarily large, relatively inexpensive display.

  • >Like someone was gonna use a 5-foot plasma screen at their desk or
    >something. Nevermind.


    . . . If I put it at the other end of my office, I could work at my usual resolution without my glasses . . .


    hawk

  • so, if you watch a regular movie converted (or even displayed?) in pal it will be 4 percent shorter? Jeez, if only I knew that earlier... anything that would have made "Sister Act II" 10 minutes shorter would be worth a LOT of money to me.
  • Well.. Maybe Samsung can catch the thieves when they send in their warranty registration card?
  • > Not with a 0.99 dot pitch :)
    > Nice resolution though, 1300x768. Good for corporate presentations. And Quake III.

    As the photo on the link clearly shows, this seems to be a monitor directed towards presentations, boards and stuff. You don't want a huge resolution. 1300x768 is a reasonably big resolution, and the dot pitch, at a fair distance as it was designed for, doesn't strike me as that a huge (and bad) dot pitch.

    However, it has too little resolution to substitute a blackboard, but just think of an arquitect with one of these babies with a sensor screen... GREAT! :)
  • Main Screen Turn On!
  • And they'll get all the sales from the suits who exclaim, "I need the biggest monitor you can get for the board room!" They may be compensating for small PC's.
  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:36AM (#157669) Homepage Journal

    I want icons as big as my head!

    I want people to run away screaming as a rocket fills the entire screen in Quake3!

    I want to be able to sit back half-a county away and still be able to read the text on the screen!

    *Dances away to the tune of "Frank's 2000 Inch TV"*


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!

  • by Jeffrey Baker ( 6191 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:23AM (#157670)
    Pioneer has been selling a professional model 60" display with d-sub and bnc rgbhv inputs for at least 18 months. This display is only 1" bigger.
  • To your execu-weenie 'nerve center' where you take future customers so they can ooooh and aaaaahhhh over your help desk process. Hang them on the wall so the customers can see them while they walk down the hall.
  • I wonder if they are going to start the monitor at .69 :)
  • ...but all the eskimo words for snow are, technically, obscenities... :)
  • I also find the resolution, 1365x768 as mentioned everywhere, a bit odd...

    It's not a problem, just make sure you purchase the letterbox versions of your applications... ;)
  • by tuffy ( 10202 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:42AM (#157675) Homepage Journal
    But at least it'll look good in the ads...
  • Your message was fascinating. Please tell me more. By the way, do you think we could display a 61 inch picture of a hamster on one of these fine screens?
  • I still want to play Half-Life on the billboard sized "monitor" along 101 in the bay area (not far from SFO).
  • Reading the spec of this beast, it looks like the resolution and pitch really stink. You'd be better off using a traditional projector if you didn't need such a rectangular format.
  • > These features include: a cinema mode "2-3 Pull
    > Down" function for high vision 1080i

    Isn't it 3-2 pull down? It has been a while since I worked in the MPEG encoding/Movie/Video world, but I remember it being 3-2 pull down.

    (3-2 pull down is the process of converting a 24 FPS movie back and forth to 30 FPS NTSC video, using a ratio of 3 movie frames=2 video frames).

    2-3 pull would be pull up.
  • So is "God damn it! I really fucking want one!"
  • Yeah.. it also uses 660W (~8A) of power. That is ALOT. That's like 4 times the power of a 21inch monitor!

    Pan
  • You don't need to turn the lights off to view a plasma display unlike a projector.
  • How the heck does a 63" screen get stolen? I mean you are hardly going to be able to work out of the show room with one of those under your jacket - hmm, I can just imagine it ;-)
  • Icons? I want pixels as big as my head.

    --

  • by novarese ( 24280 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:23AM (#157685) Journal
    size doesn't matter, resolution matters:

    The new model which features a 1.05 million pixel monitor (1,365 by 768 pixels) with pixel pitch of 0.99mm

    Life begins at 1600x1200.

  • expecting to sell 8,000 units... by March 2002
    Only 8000 in 8 months. I don't want to see the price tag if that is their sales expectations. Talk about exclusive.
  • To support the PX-61XM1's monitor, NEC teamed up with nVIDIA Corporation
    to develop a new chip, which makes full display of the wide XGA (1,360
    by 768 pixels) and VGA (848 by 480 pixels) possible and enables CAD/CAM
    detailed material to be displayed accurately without image stretch


    oh puh-leeze, what about just using X and creating a custom mode line? Since when one needs a new chip to drive a non-standard resolution...
  • Imagine playing Quake 3 on a Beowulf
    .
    .
    .
    NO SIGNAL
  • I need to change my contract - I am not going to be moving these beasts around the office. If they get anything bigger and heavier than a 21" they need to hire a mover to work on it not a sysadmin... that's why I like the TFT flat screens - management feels the need to move people's offices every few days (the seating layout is served in streaming videa) and the flat screens are much easier to move.
  • You know, it would be hilarious if the theives of that stolen 63"monitor [sid.org] called Samsung tech support to ask about drivers for their newly acquired monitor. ;-)

    --



  • I saw the NEC plasma displays at CeBIT. Those
    things are as crisp as anything.
  • Or this one [panoramtech.com] which is only $9995. It also sports S-video and DVI. And resolution up to 1024x768.

  • So, why don't you just make the 60" a higher resolution and make 60" bigger?

    This one goes to 61".

  • Nice monitor. I'm sure we'll all have them in our houses someday. In the meantime, I'm really happy with my RCA 52" projection TV/monitor. It only does 600x800, but that's usually good enough when you're sitting on the couch. And of course DirectTV and DVDs look fantastic too. Upgradeable to HDTV.
  • How the hell did they sneak it out of the hall? They certainly didn't stuff it under their jacket! It'd take two hands to carry the thing!
  • That does not mean that you can copy anything you want. It means that it will not display any copy protected content.
  • Not with a 0.99 dot pitch :)

    Nice resolution though, 1300x768. Good for corporate presentations. And Quake III.

  • Waterproof one of these bad boys, put it at one end of your back yard, install some speakers on poles and bingo! Mini-Drive-In!
  • Yeah, with these new screens, we will soon be able to have real-size p0rn ! If only they added some holography...
  • by British ( 51765 )
    Now would be a good time for someone to start selling computer desks that this monitor could fit in.

    Seriously, I'd like to get a better resolution than that spec so I could use today's apps and just push all the toolbars/palettes around AND have a great canvas size.

    Of course I could just go multi-mon, but that's not as cool as this TekWar-like monitor.
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  • sitting in the first row of a movie theater?
  • by lildogie ( 54998 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:27AM (#157703)
    What I would like to see is a tileable display module (zero-width margins), with hardware to distribute the video to various combinations of tiles.

    Then you could construct a custom display of whatever size and shape you like.

    You could also maintain the display by replacing individual tiles (instead of replacing the whole display).

    Anyone heard of such a scheme in industry?
  • Pop-up ads the size of lunchboxes....

    on the bright side.. my wrist would get a good workout scrolling and scrolling....
  • Carry an old-fashioned clipboard. Nobody questions a guy taking notes on a clipboard. And if they do, ask them their name and employee number and then write it down on (the otherwise blank) page three of the clipboard.
  • sorry, a 0.99 dot pitch is not acceptable. comon here... this is really just a television screen, not a monitor. slashdot, dont waste my time.
  • by LinuxParanoid ( 64467 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @10:51AM (#157707) Homepage Journal
    ...for the price you're paying, a screen resolution of 1365x768 which is 61", you could make do with a *lot* cheaper LCD projector shining output on a wall or whiteboard. At least for CAD/CAM work, that's what I'd do (assuming walking in front of the projector is an avoidable issue.)

    --LP
  • Risin' above the city, blocking out the noonday sun
    It dwarfs the mighty redwoods and it towers over everyone
    I still remember when that delivery truck came down our block
    What a lucky guy, I hear he got the last one in stock
    And the neighbors are just green
    They say, "That's the biggest screen we've ever seen!"
    It's Frank's 2000" TV
    Everybody come and see
    Frank's 2000" TV

    There's Frank's remote control, you can look at it but don't touch it, please
    'Cause Frank's the one in charge and he decides what everybody sees
    The picture's crystal clear and everything is magnified
    Robert DeNiro's mole has got to be ten feet wide
    Everybody in the town
    Can hear those 90,000 watts of Dolby Sound
    And I'm mighty proud to say
    Now I can watch "The Simpsons" from 30 blocks away

    On Frank's 2000" TV
    Everybody come and see
    Frank's 2000" TV
    Everybody come and see

    I'm gonna get one of my own real soon
    It's like having a drive-in movie in your own living room
    Whoa, hey now, hey no na na na now
    Hey now, Hey now na na now

    Frank's 2000" TV
    Everybody come and see
    You won't believe it
    Frank's 2000" TV
    Everybody come and see
    Frank's 2000" TV
    Get a 2-year warranty on parts and labor
    Frank's 2000" TV
    Frank's 2000" TV
    --
  • True. The spec sheet linked to [nec.co.jp] in the press release puts it a nice 660 W. Whoa. I also find the resolution, 1365x768 as mentioned everywhere, a bit odd...
  • but for those of us that are long sighted putting one on the wall across the room could be very comfortable ...
  • It'd still be better than the projector unit the company I work for owns. We could have a meeting with the lights on for a change.

    Nice...

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  • by rkent ( 73434 ) <rkent AT post DOT harvard DOT edu> on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @09:51AM (#157712)
    Life begins at 1600x1200. Amen. And the dot pitch is .99 mm as well. Which means this thing is really just a glorified projector, useful only for presentations in meetings and such.

    LOL! Oh yeah, just occurred to me, that's all you'd want it for. Like someone was gonna use a 5-foot plasma screen at their desk or something. Nevermind.

    Still, seems like a souped-up 1024x768 LCD to me.

    ---

  • I will be more then happy to review this product, contact me at the email adress in my profile to arrange the details.

  • It's the Ford Excursion of monitors; a pixel-guzzling sport-utility-display.

    Or maybe the Ford Exorbitant [bbspot.com].
  • Duh , in case you didn't notice the person holding the camera was sitting about as far away as this monitor was designed for , quit thinking this is a monitor for a single person
  • very easily when it's noticed that someone is trying to download the drivers.

    --
  • Wonder what the black market value of a 63", hand built, one of three in the world, display is?

    I bet the mafia stole the display and gave it to a hacker who they pay to encrypt their email!
  • by supabeast! ( 84658 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:39AM (#157718)
    I feel like an eskimo talking about snow, because I can come up with thousands of ways to say "I want one of those!!!"
  • You want one of these [pioneerelectronics.com]?
  • The write-up says the resolution is only 1365x768 which seems all wrong... I routinely run 1600x1200 on my mouldy old trinitron. Hmmm -T
  • Wrong.

    As we have both projectors and plasma screens in the office, and it's my job to take care of them, I know the difference. For the people complaining about resolution: You have to be kidding. All you need is 1356x768. You know what that is? 16:9 resolution, for displaying DVD-like and HDTV like video. Exactly what you would use in a presentation. Make the resolution higher, and the crowd that was brough into see something can't read what is on the screen. On top of that, you need a hella-powerful video processor on-board, which will spike up the cost of the unit, and when we bought our 50" model, it was 26K plus change. It's meant as a videoconferencing or powerpoint display, or as a huge television.

    Second, why not use a projector? The answer is lumens. A top-model projector can't be properly used in a fully-lit room. Incandescent lights kill the projector's power. A plasma screen, however, can be used outside in direct sunlight, and people can still see it. The other issue is intropolation. A projector may function at a higher resolution, but anything over 1280x1024 is intropolated, and you lost picture qulaity as it dithers the pixels. You get resolution and size, and you sacrifice quality. A plasma screen runs at it's set resolutions, and is clearer than any display on the planet.

  • by Jart ( 100459 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:43AM (#157722)
    If you like red (or whatever. I like red) on black you can get big fat LED arrays in panels. Tile your wall. Play something vector-graphixy like Battlezone. Slammin!
  • At first glance, the 1365x768 pixel dimensions might seem a little arbitrary or strange. (When was the last time you saw a display with an odd horizontal pixel count?)

    Things get clearer when you realize that 1365x768 works out to a 16:9 aspect ratio, which is the standard for widescreen TV (and fairly close to the aspect ratio of most widescreen movies). It seems likely that the designers chose a nice "round" vertical pixel count (768), and simply multiplied it by 16/9 to get the 1365 that we now have.

    Thing is, how "round" is 768, really? I mean, sure it's a nice multiple of 2^8, but consider:

    High definition TV (US standard) has a vertical pixel count of 480, 720, or 1080. DVD has a vertical pixel count of 480. None of these will scale cleanly to 768. To get decent (but not great) picture quality, you'll have to do some fairly sophisticated bilinear or bicubic resampling, or -- in the case of a 720p signal -- be willing to tolerate a small black border in order to get as sharp a picture as possible.

    I'm wondering why the designers didn't choose, say, 720, 960, or 1080 as the vertical pixel count instead. Any of these choices would have made for optimal image quality in at least one format. But as it stands, the display is a "jack of all trades, master of none" -- and needlessly so, at that.

    Anyone care to enlighten me on this design decision?
    --

  • My dream of life-size pr0n can now be fulfilled...

    Seriously, though, if you need a 61" display just get a projector. This will only find use in places where projectors aren't practical (kiosks and the like).

    "...makes it ideal for mid-sized conference room...", yeah right. All of my company's conference rooms have projectors, and I'm damn sure they were a lot cheaper.

    Pretty monitor, of course, but the price is going to be otherworldly.
  • I'm planning on designing and producing a sports car for the very same market that are enviously eyeing this 61-incher. How does the Compensator XL sound?

    A monitor is perhaps one of the few areas in life where it's not the size that matters (well, so long as it's not tiny), but what you can do with it. In this case, you have a huge monitor, but can't do jack for resolution with it. And that's what I really need: a pixel as big as a frickin' beachball.

  • what kind of refresh rates plasma displays are capable of?

  • That's easily fixed. Just buy four of them and arrange them in a square... ;)
  • "...sixty-five tons of American pride..."

    I know it's satire, but that describes the M1A2 pretty accurately as well...


    --Fesh

  • by 13013dobbs ( 113910 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:31AM (#157729) Homepage
    Ok, I have to admit, seeing pr0n stars in almost life size would be kinda cool. However, it would suck to see the goatsecx image on that.
  • by petard ( 117521 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:43AM (#157730) Homepage
    This is probably what you want [panoramtech.com]. At a mere $22k, it's probably cheaper than the plasma display too. :-)
  • My school had a rear projection screen for thier computer that is like 20feet across and 15feet high or something and they have had it for 4 years. Granted its not a CRT but unless they pump the resolution on this monitor it won't be any better than the screen at school.

    I've always wanted to play quake on that big screen at school, would be great having the enemy be bigger than life :)

  • Larry Ellison, the ego behind Oracle, has a daylight-viewable projection TV , using a projector sized for a movie theater aimed at a smaller screen. So there.
  • by yerricde ( 125198 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:35AM (#157735) Homepage Journal
    From the data sheet [nec.co.jp]:
    4. Not designed with copy protection
    Hallelujah!
  • I told him I need one to live.

    He said I could have two but I have to put UT back on the server and unblock all porn sites.

    ---
  • by PopeAlien ( 164869 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @09:14AM (#157748) Homepage Journal
    Yeah great, Now I have to worry about RSI in my neck from looking back and forth across the expansive face of this monitor. But where can I get a four-foot wide keyboard?

  • This ain't for Californians. Plasma displays' power consumption...
  • Can anyone see any use to this beast that a projector couldn't fulfill?

    • You can't burn your fingers on a halogen bulb.
    • Bugs that fly in front of it don't have their shadows magnified 100x.
    • On the same note, kids fingerprints are easily dismissed.
    • You can walk in front of it without looking like a dweeb with a Powerpoint presentation on your chest.
    • You can stare straight at it's display source without blinding yourself
    • You don't need a darkened room to view it comfortably as with most projectors
    • It has a much higher 'COOL' factor (for now)
  • by wardomon ( 213812 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @09:10AM (#157757)
    The main problem is that I had to get a license from the Atomic Energy Commision to switch it on...
  • by Bender Unit 22 ( 216955 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:33AM (#157759) Journal
    size doesn't matter, resolution matters:
    Hmm, I might be able to use that one tonight.
    --------
  • These are hardly new, and this smells more like publicity than anything new, as these displays have been out for 2 years.

    As to the power consumption, the last time I looked at was 385 watts, which is about 4 times what your typical monitor draws. Quite the power hogs and they produce a large amount of heat. Bummer if you already have a warm workspace, bonus if it (like mine) is often cooler than you'd like.

    --
    All your .sig are belong to us!

  • Everytime I see INFOCOMM, I think of the Infocom text games. Yeah, this is just what you need to play Zork.

    Also, since it's a light source, you'll probably want to use it in a room with subdued light. The next step in boardroom slide shows.

    --
    All your .sig are belong to us!

  • I also find the resolution, 1365x768 as mentioned everywhere, a bit odd...

    On first look, yes. But a bit of work with a calculator:
    768*16/9 = 1365,33

    It seems to me that the vertical size of 768 was chosen and the other value is just what you need for a nice modern 16:9 display.
    --

  • As I unpack my spanky new 61" with a fork lift and lovingly set it upon the concrete foundation I had to have installed, I wonder... Can the world be an more wonderful? No.
    I make my connections and give the monitor a once over to relish in this historical moment.
    I depress the power button, my heart is beating fast....
    ...
    ...
    The lights dim and go out.
    The breaker box blows.
    I am in the dark.

    The world could not be more wonderful... I love this.

    The phone rings.
    I answer.
    Not only have I blown my power, but half the grid is down.
    Life is good.
  • He said I could have two but I have to put UT back on the server and unblock all porn sites.

    Sweet! Win - win.

  • by GeckoX ( 259575 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:41AM (#157776)
    Ever heard of the right tool for the job?

    This is obviously not the monitor for you, but it is for many many uses.

    Bigger means more people can view it at the same time from greater distances.

    Better resolution meanst that you get more detail out of it.

    Quite often these don't go hand in hand, since one doesn't necessarily require the other.

    These will be great in classrooms and the like in which case, what would be the point to doubling, tripling or greater the resolution? Little bobby at the back isn't going to care, he's still just happy that he can se it at all. Also, the only reason the school could afford one is because the price didn't go up exponentially because of the higher resolution which requires _much_ higher processing power etc etc etc.

    Your's will be coming some day, but this just isn't it.
  • He he, I don't see what's with the tiny resolution... Eizo [eizo.com] has a 50" Plasma [eizo.com] that can do 1600x1200 [eizo.com]. Why this 60" monitor doesnt' seem to do better than what looks like 800x600 or so completely baffles me...
    ________________________________________________
  • Heh, thanks for the correction... I should read more carefully before I start fantasizing about things. :-D
    ________________________________________________
  • What is the advantage of this monstrosity over a tabletop projector that costs a fraction as much and can probably use a bigger screen?

    Daylight operation.

    You don't have to put your projector in the middle of the audience; especially if the audience is constantly moving, as in a conference hall.

    It's not cross-illuminating your presenter, making him look like Bozo the Cyberclown.

    No geometry/focus/vibration problems.

    90% of presentation selling is, "If you think my dick is big, you should see the one we couldn't bring along." Get their attention, hold it, and imply indirectly that you can exceed their expectations. Use every means to inflate their value estimates.

    --Blair
  • Okay it may be great for corporate presentations but how far away do you have to sit to work at it!

    At 12 inches away, all the pr0n stars seem to be life-sized, and it feels like you're finally getting that lesbian orgy you've always wanted.

  • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @10:43AM (#157786)
    You need some of these [att.net]. Get a large array of true RGB LEDs and you're set. Of course the cost would probably be super expensive since I think they are still around $8/each in large volumes and you'd also have to build all the hadrware to control them.
  • by glenkim ( 412499 ) on Tuesday June 12, 2001 @08:38AM (#157787) Homepage
    for god's sake, will somebody talk about the pr0n possibilities?
  • Tokyo electronics company, NEC, released a huge 61-inch plasma monitor today. NEC spokesman, Keiichiro "Ketchup" Fujiwara, says it will alleviate much tension and feelings of inferiority among the workers at NEC. "We have long felt our NASDAQ symbol, NIPNY, is a racial slur and it has caused many employees to feel unmotivated," said Fujiwara. Then, while destroying an intricate model of New York City, he added, "This new monitor will force people to look at us differently, like Gojira rising from the deep to destroy Mosura." [ed: "Gojira" and "Mosura" are known in the western hemisphere as "Godzilla" and "Mothra", respectively]

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  • I can hook up a projector to a computer with a higher screen resolution than that. The only problems would be lighting (the room would have to be dark, so keep this away from the cube farm) and focus.

    Projectors are a much cheaper way to run Quake. Now if they could get the same kind of resolution in dots per inch with that thing that normal CRTs do, and computers get so fast that you can run quake at a great frame rate, that would be cool.

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