Digital Lifestyle 141
Gingerman writes "The BBC is running a story about a full automated lifestyle centre in Wokingham UK. The centre has everything from the home to the office and includes shops too." It's
a little thin on details, but its a mix of practical things that could
be around the corner, and stuff that may be a little further down a 6 lane interstate.
Not this world... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not this world... (Score:1)
[what is a 'formkeys' anyway?]
Re:Not this world... (Score:1)
[if it were someone else, I'd agree however]
Re:Not this world... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Not this world... (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems to me the solution would be to make it worth it to the providers of that information. It's all about money, and providers don't play nice with automated agents because they take without giving back (clicking ads, etc.).
I mean, maybe it could be setup in a way that you can pay a small subscription for certain services. Of course, it would have to be really convenient/neato for me to pay for something that I can get for free, but it's possible.
As an example: I can jump on weather.com for free and see what the forecast is for the next couple of days, but I might pay $5 a month to be able to say "computer: what's the weather look like for this week" and get a detailed response spoken back to me. (that ranks pretty high on the neato scale
When it comes to convenience, it seems we as a society spare no expense. That seems to me to be the only way that this would ever really work.
Re:Not this world... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Not this world... (Score:1)
Re:Not this world... (Score:1)
Re:Not this world... (Score:2)
There's also the problem of trying to add a new gadget to your home. There is currently almost no continuity between the command systems used for home appliances. Virtually none of them, electronic or otherwise, are designed to be remotely controlled by other equipment. Possibly in 10 years your new toaster oven will come with drivers for integrating it into your home computer, but till then...
Don't know about you but... (Score:5, Funny)
Simulated lifestyle? (Score:4, Funny)
/.ers will scurry from it like programmers from soap...*grin*
Now, if they invent a device that washes your clothes when they are thrown on the floor and you can buy it for 50plat EQ currency, then they will have a geekhit on their hands...
Re:Simulated lifestyle? (Score:5, Funny)
> clothes when they are thrown on the floor and you
> can buy it for 50plat EQ currency
I've got one, it's called a wife. But it's much more expensive than the price point you're aiming for.
Re:Simulated lifestyle? (Score:2)
HAL? (Score:2, Funny)
...and no. I will not open the pod bay doors.
Remember... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Remember... (Score:2, Informative)
For example, MS have their little (and rather underwhelming) showcase in SFO at the Metreon.
I don't get it... (Score:1)
Ridiculous (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:1)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:1, Offtopic)
The only reason British DSL costs so much, and is so late to be deployed is because of an antiquated, complacent, mismanaged, monopolistic telephone company - British Telecom. They held back DSL deployment because they didn't want ISDN sales to suffer, and even now, are doing everything possible to hinder providers' access to the local loop.
The chairman of BT once claimed that the public just weren't ready for DSL yet.
Re:Ridiculous (Score:1)
Hint - check where the HP centre is.
Hint 2 - check where I am.
Hint 3 - check the bit where I commented upon the two locations and what I might be able to do.
Hint 4 - lay off he crack before moderating!
Re:Ridiculous (Score:1)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:2)
Well, it might make the figure on the piece of paper closer to the one in Europe, but the value of that figure is an entirely different question.
On the contrary; the vast majority of Britains want to be given the choice, but the government is still holding up on the (probably inevitable) referendum. We're not choosing anything, because we're not being allowed to.
Then again, democracy only works given an informed population. Looking at the number of people in the UK who don't really understand even the basic economics of the move, and the number of arguments they make which are based purely on personal "I like/hate the pound" sentiment, I'm not sure I want that referendum, either...
<rant> That is all a separate issue, however, from "rip-off Britain". The rip-offs aren't because of economics, they're because of wholesale monopoly abuse by the car industry, banks, and other groups with sufficient political clout to keep the gratuitously anti-consumer rules in place in the interests of maintaining their profits. </rant>
Tax issues (Score:2)
No, we have low income tax. When you account for all the stealth taxes introduced by recent governments, the burden is very much higher. If you don't believe me, go look at what VAT was 20 years ago, and how much of the price of your petrol is tax.
A more relevant issue, given the subject matter at hand, is whether the UK government are going to introduce some sort of "bandwidth tax" on our telecomms bill. At first thought, this sounds like a Bad Thing(TM). On the other hand, if they used it to take a little from those who hog the bandwidth the most just now and use it to fund improved bandwidth for everyone... Ah, but that would rely on a fair use of tax, and as anyone who drives a car in the UK knows, I'm dreaming. :-)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:1, Offtopic)
Riiiight... I don't think that 'Socialist' and 'Labour party' really belong in the same sentence any more. It used to be simple:
Labour: Left-wing
Liberal Democrat/ SDLP/ whatever : Centre
Conservatives: Right-wing
Now you've got:
Liberal Democrats: Centre-Left
Labour: Centre-right
Conservatives: Slightly more right than Labour.
Mind you, the centre has moved to the right a bit, anyway.
House of the future... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:House of the future... (Score:1)
Re:House of the future... (Score:2)
Anyway, it's like a miniature car wash with doors. You stick the pet in and it soaks and soaps and all the goodies. Cats, I'm told, really freak out in it, but calm down once they're thoroughly soaked.
Aha! Found it. On Wired [wired.com], of all places. Hmm, "The Lavakan is not intended for homes but is designed for use at professional grooming shops. It costs about $20,000 or can be leased for about $500 a month.". Oh well.
cisco home (Score:1)
Re:cisco home (Score:2)
Sounds Like Bill Gates' House (Score:1)
How about one that morphs your reflection to say "You Da Man!" everytime you walk by?
Seriously, though, is this sort of "Home Of The Future" really newsworthy any more? It smells of desperate PR trolling by HP. I mean, really:
HP is confident that some of these technologies will be available in the next year or two.
"You could see a time when a screen the size of a laptop computer screen could be embedded into the breakfast bar of your kitchen," said Mr Burwood.
"And on a Saturday afternoon, all it does is monitor the football results for you."
And this can't be done now, because...
I'm reminded of an old Danny Dunn book where he and his pals get stuck in one of these Homes o' the Future because its security system crashes and they get out only because one of the kids overrides the system by, I kid you not, speaking in ultrasonic frequencies.
Home Of the Future (Score:1)
But food from the vending machine still sucks.
Coffee makers get better every year but Starbucks still have Baristas
etc
etc
etc
The point is very little of this tech will hit mainstream in the next five years (if ever) increases in technology will be evolutionary and done one piece at a time, not revolutionary and all encompassing.
Or maybe I just need my morning coffee
Uh oh! (Score:5, Funny)
Suddenly you come home and find 8000 pieces of French Toast on the floor (all cut neatly into quadrangles), your cat has been painted green and yellow, and you are now the proud owner of every pay-per-view movie every listed!
No thanks, I'll just check the weather online instead.
Re:Uh oh! (Score:1)
I say "No thanks".
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
Ob2001 (Score:1)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Call it flame bait...but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Call it flame bait...but... (Score:1)
D
Pointful, but absurd (Score:2)
When I asked why he didn't have a machine, he replied: "I work with the accursed things all day, why would I want to deal with them when I'm home?"
Now that I'm an admin, with my 5 machines at home (though only 1 windows machine despite being a win2k admin) I still have no clue what he meant. After all, why would you spend 40+ hours a week, and 24/7 on call dealing with something you couldn't thoroughly enjoy?
Re:Pointful, but absurd (Score:1)
That's how I used to see it too - as being paid to do what I enjoy. These days I do try and not be doing the same things for work and play. Not necessarily non-computer things, just not the same type of work that work is. Work is web apps and net stuff, home is DC games and DirectX. Otherwise you never feel like you've really left work.
Re:Pointful, but absurd (Score:1)
Though ideally I want it to be that going to work is like never leaving home, rather than home being like I never left work.
Re:Pointful, but absurd (Score:1)
I personally wouldn't mind coming home to a semi-wired home, as long as I could control the guts of it. I spend plenty of time on my Mac at home these days; it's like unwinding from having used Windows all day.
Re:Call it flame bait...but... (Score:1)
I guess it'll become so normal that for the most part you won't think about it as much. Think about other modern inventions that we use all the time-- telephones, cars, radios, etc. I think computerized devices will ease in with all this stuff.
What can we do to get away from all this stuff now? Camping! As long as there's camping in the future, I'll be able to handle it.
mark
Re:Call it flame bait...but... (Score:2)
But can you imagine? You're gone a weekend, and your home automation software is now in a tizzy.
system: And where have you been all weekend?
me: Um... out.
system: You could have called to say you weren't coming home.
me: Oh, yeah.
system: [pouting] Fine, if that's the way you want it.
me: Want what?
system: Shakes head. Really, you never listen.
me: Huh? What did I do?
The day we add female personalities to our computers is the day we'll stop understanding them.
One limiting factor... (Score:2)
...is how connected people really want to be. It's one thing for Joe Suit to want access to his email anywhere he goes. It's another thing for Bluecollar Bob. All he may use email for is notes to mom, and may never have a demand for access elsewhere beyond home.
Also, there are internet terminals at our mall and if I'm there with my wife and make any indication that I want to check anything, I get "The Look."
Sounds like a nightmare... (Score:2)
PHB: Don't worry, we're getting all our staff one of those automatic alarming-woman thing's so you won't miss it next time.
Me: D'oh!
Cooltown, RIAA/MPAA style (Score:4, Insightful)
"I'm waking you 30 minutes early so you can change into your grey suit before the Copyright Police arrive to detain you. I've alerted them to the unauthorized copies of several Universal film properties I detected on your portable drive after you docked it last night, as required by the Intellectual Property Theft Act of 2009. Would you like me to play you some light rock as you get dressed? Current prices are $4.99 per half hour."
Re:Cooltown, RIAA/MPAA style (Score:3, Insightful)
This reflects my first thoughts upon reading this article -- how much will the subscription fees for all these services cost? Surely no one is going to sell you any commodity... no, everything will be licensed in a manner that wraps you up quite tidily so you have no rights whatsoever despite the fact that you pay more for the content than you do for the hardware it renders on.
Let's read the story again and estimate as we go how much this will cost the typical CoolTown inhabitant each and every month in the not-too-far-distant future:
And since "the first CoolTown centre was set up in California," let's put our hypothetical uberwired citizen there
Total average monthly cost: $350.09
good move (Score:1)
Re:good move (Score:1)
Well, it's happened before.
Sorry, couldn't resist it.
I can vision it now (Score:2, Funny)
"Hey Doodz Youz been ownd by Leet Haxor"
Then my refridgator would be like
"Yo Fatty come get some cause I got your milk and cookies right here"
The idea of this would be great but I wish the article could have gone more into depth. For the above would not make me look forward to the future.
They'll be looking hard for a target market... (Score:2, Insightful)
Fast forward to 2002. The company has scaled back their operations considerably. New market research data shows that there is almost nobody who would want to pay to live in a fully automated apartment. Hopeless [yahoo.com] companies [yahoo.com] no longer have stock valuations based more in ignorance than in profit potential. The Era of High Tech Toys has passed us by. I'm not sure what HP, "home of the earnings warning [hp.com]," is thinking, but something tells me that their cool new automated homes are not going to pave the way back to profitability.
~wally
Hmmm... (Score:2)
I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. Although I'm for devices (soda machines, information kiosks, etc) interconnecting with other devices (PDA's, laptops, etc), I really don't think the internet as it stands now is a good "hub" as the article would suggest.
HP has much more info than the article... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.cooltown.hp.com/ [hp.com]
Here is the open source codebase for some of it.
http://www.cooltown.hp.com/dev/ [hp.com]
www.cooltown.com (Score:1)
The core technologies are out there... (Score:1, Interesting)
* Comes with built-in speech recognition and a large bundle of applescripts to automate a large number of tasks via voice commands. Plus, it is fully applescriptable (of course).
* Comes with built-in Macintalk, and will read out aloud any text in a number of voices, and even in Spanish, if you select one of the Spanish voices. My favorite is Victoria, who actually has a pretty seductive voice.
* Runs IBM's ViaVoice for OS X for dictation/word processing
* Has a $40 Digital Media Remote for OS X from Keyspan that can control any application from across the room via out-of-the box mappings and is fully extendable via Applescript
* Features industry-standard DVI connectors for hooking up to monitors such as the 50" NEC 50MP3
* Features 2 FireWire ports for hooking up to the newest audio receivers/amplifiers out there
Re:The core technologies are out there... (Score:2)
Ohhhhhhhhhh god...
That is all.
Re:The core technologies are out there... (Score:2)
I concurr! In fact, I'm having a hard time dating women who don't resemble futuristic lamps or quiet translucent cubes these days!
(Not a troll
Re:The core technologies are out there... (Score:1)
I'm more of a Whopper man myself.
mark
Heh (Score:1)
A few points... (Score:3, Interesting)
Quote: "I'm waking you 30 minutes early"
Anything that does that is clearly the Spawn of Satan's Spawn.
"The important thing with this is that the web becomes the hub," explains Mr Burwood.
...as well as other web-centric ideals. Is this it then? The all-encompassing "Internet" has finally been superceded by the ever-evolving, designed-for-hypertext "web". Or I could just be too pedantic.
What distresses me more is the banality which this vision of the future holds. "And on a Saturday afternoon, all it does is monitor the football results for you." Oh woohoo and other saracasm. Sure, there's plenty of talk here about how IT can make everything "easier" (and I'll believe it when I can put my hands through its sides), yet nothing about how we can reach out and achieve new experiences, interact with people and ideas that we never thought we'd even dream about...
"Underlying all the elements of CoolTown is the potential of the internet to affect people's lives."
Time to fulfil the potential, not mould it into the pap of society that seems to extrude from every firewalled port at the moment.
Yawn!! (Score:1, Interesting)
Adoption and integration barriers (Score:2, Insightful)
In order for this kind of lifestyle to be possible, many large (and small) companies across a wide variety of industries must adopt and integrate the technology to make this happen. Adoption of new technologies is slow enough by itself. How many of us work in companies where Win98 and NT4 are the default desktop OS's, despite the availability of new, better versions? And this is a technology that's well understood and relatively painless to upgrade. (Yes, I said relatively painless, not without pain.)
Integration between two or more companies takes much longer than adoption within a single organization. Remember the B2B craze? After all the fallout, there's not much of it left.
Companies exist to make money, not adopt and implement new technologies. New means risky, unproven, and that risk makes executives and shareholders nervous. And some of the things involved in creating this "digital lifestyle" are a hard sell, from a profitability standpoint. How do you convince the board or executive team that it makes good business sense to invest in developing a service that lets people know when their bus is going to arrive at the bus stop? So they change at a slow pace to reduce the perceived risk.
This is some amazing work, frankly I'm surprised at how much can be done just with today's technology! I'm really looking forward to the time when it can make a significant difference in the quality of my life.
-Thomas
cubicle world (Score:2)
I really don't see a need for this, and can't help thinking of the old scifi story about the day "the machine died".
Are BT involved in this? (Score:1)
You are in for a crappy day, as I have not been able to get on line for 4 hours so have no idea what your schedule is, could not order your braekfast and could not re arrange your flights as requested...have a nice day.
Eureka! (Score:1)
<Columbo>So I got to thinking...</Columbo>
The so called DDOS attack was in actual fact the side-effects of 120 CoolTown refridgerators and 45 toasters downloading stock quotes. Case closed
TIVO is an example (Score:1)
One tip: never give a thumbs up to an (ahem) adult show...the moment TIVO records something like that on it's own is the moment you are in the dog house with the wife/girlfriend.
where have i heard this before?... (Score:2)
"I'm waking you 30 minutes early because heavy rain has developed, delaying traffic to the airport. I changed your shuttle reservation to 5.30. Here's the light rock you requested."
...Oh yeah, wasn't this from an episode of The Prisoner? Man you have to love British Broadcasting
at last... (Score:1)
dude.
"the last thing my toaster needs is an IP address"
Headline of the future; (Score:2)
Re:Headline of the future; (Score:1)
already exists for Linux users. (Score:2)
it's a program called Mister house. LINK [sourceforge.net]
connected with off the shelf hardware and a bit of knowlege (it isn't for the cranially challenged) you can have this. The speech synthesis from the festival program is excellent and overall the one dedicated server required to run it is a Pentium 200 with 64 meg of ram and a 2 gig hard drive... nothing special.
5AM? (Score:1)
I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. (Score:1)
I like the idea of life not being so convenient that I get tired of breathing for myself and die. I think as we progress, we are really setting ourselves up for hell when we finally get out there and start colonizing this galaxy. Either that or we'll get so collectively complacent and tamed thanks to the built in electronic convenience, that we'll never bother leaving the planet. Then we'll die slow painful deaths when the solar flare of the Gods or other unplanned disaster renders our technology dead. I think more people need to spend more time walking around trails. Knowing the names of the trees you are looking at. Maybe even (please don't flame me) shooting a firearm of some kind. I try to do these types of things every once in a while so I have at least a passing familiarity with nature.
Re:I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. (Score:1)
Mirror, mirror on the wall (Score:2)
It's bad enough looking in the mirror and seeing my own mug, much less a "to-do list" staring back. And what's an "urgent video e-mail?" Urgent to whom? My boss? Spammers? Stalkers?
I started working on such things. (Score:2)
Since the online grocery stores are now gone, I can't really get any use of out it and the best I can do now is to print out shopping lists, so I've kinda put the project on the back burner. But had those companies prevailed I believe this setup would have made a nice addition to any home automation system by making shopping an almost transparent process.
-Restil
The idea is nice. (Score:1)
My digital life style (Score:2)
I waking up in the morning to my digital clock radio and reading the time from my digital clock, setting the shower temperature on digital thermostat. Catching the news on my digital tv and checking the time on my digital watch. I speed to work, listerning to my digital radio ignoring the digital my cars speedometer and reading the digital speed warning signs on the road-side. I read the digital display on the lift to get to my floor where I use a digital pass to enter my office, where I read the digital display on the digital coffee machine, before checking my appointment on my digital PDA to use a digital computer and listerning to music om my digital music player, and taking phone calls on my digital mobile.
And all before lunch.
I like to thing I'm pretty normal person in the digital age.