(Almost) I-mode Service Coming in April 116
DJSK8 Mast0r Ralph McDaniels writes: "Looks like NTT DoCoMo Inc's investment in AT&T last year is coming to fruition as this article from allnetdevices.com lays claim to AT&T rolling out i-mode based services repackaged for the U.S. market as m-mode service with Motorola, Sony/Ericcson, Nokia and Siemens offering the requisite phones to take advantage of it. Not quite 3G, but seems on par with the 2.5G services Verizon recently rolled out, though both are a far cry from the 100Mbit/20Mbit 4G services DoCoMo is already working on."
Re:Cell phones in theatres (Score:1)
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Graham
Sprint? (Score:1)
Anyone heard anything reliable about their roll-out?
Re:Sprint? (Score:1)
Also, the max data rate for these cards is 153.6Kbps, and that is divided up among all users in the cell. It will be interesting to see what "100Mbps" becomes when DoCoMo's 4G service comes out.
Re:Sprint? (Score:1)
Later on, the customers will find out that other companies exist that provide good support. The suckers born every minute, however, will fill the void and keep sprint afloat.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
For those of us.... (Score:2, Interesting)
I-mode stands for "intellgent mode" or "intelligence mode". Phones with this feature are able to locate their callers within a 10 meter radius due to embedded processing that keeps track of your location at all times and periodically reports back to the cell tower for hand-off purposes.
In other words, no big, just a new application. I'm worried about privacy issues, though.
Re:For those of us.... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:For those of us.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:For those of us.... (Score:1)
Re:For those of us.... (Score:1)
The last time I saw a decent VR setup was at the 1996 Calgary Stampede. 3G is probably going to be in the same range of elusiveness.
Re:For those of us.... (Score:1)
http://www.eurotechnology.com/imode/faq.html
In a nutshell it's a system for mobile internet
sounds quite interesting but my bank thinks otherwise
Sounds cool... (Score:3, Informative)
A few months ago, I bought a Palm VII... only to find that the PalmNet service, provided Cingular, wouldn't work anywhere around my area (a not-so-terribly remote part of Northern California). Their coverage chart said that coverage was "partial" or something like that, but I was unable to get a strong enough signal anywhere to even complete the sign up process.
Oh well, I ended up taking the Palm VII back and exchanging it for an m125, which has worked fairly well. Because of a promotional deal, I got a free games card, so instead of wasting time surfing the net on my Palm, I waste time playing Chess and SimCity. Hmm...
Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:4, Informative)
Sprint,Verizon have to do 2 steps to get to full GSM, This is a more expensive, and slower option.
I-Mode and WAP etc is all support by standard webservices, so all you need is an apache webserver to roll out the services. (Ok, some back end software but not the cost)
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:3, Informative)
You do realize that Sprint, Verizon, etc, all use a different techonology called CDMA to provide their network services. They are currently using CDMA One, but are currently upgrading to the CDMA 2000 standard known as 1xRTT. This is backwards compatible with earlier CDMA implementations
That said, GSM is really a 2G system. The GPRS upgradge that Cingular, Voicestream, AT&T, etc are doing is really a 2.5G network technology. I feel that eventually these providers will upgrade to a full 3G network, likely CDMA 2000 or WCDMA (w=wideband). This upgrade will break backwards compatibility with previous generations of phones.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:2)
The 2.5G hardware is fully upgradeable to 3G. You don't have to deploy any more networks. Just a switch of hardware on a given night, and your market is fully 3G deployed. The first step for 3G is to deploy the networks and initial hardware. That's the biggest cost, the basic infrastructure, after thats its switching out hardware. Thats why ATTWS will be at 3G before sprint/verizon.
Your choice, upgrade now or upgrade later. With upgrading now, people with tri-mode phones are using thier british 3G phones here in the usa, NOW. So its GPRS, the end user doesnt know its GPRS, its thier GSM phone.
Really, isnt that the coolest thing? Color displays, high speed internet, I-mode, etc.. ATTWS has it out NOW due to GPRS. Sim cards are an awesome feature, you provision your sim card, and you can buy any phone, use any GPRS/GSM phone. Just drop in the SIM and go. It even holds your Addressbook.
So, ATTWS has it now, Verizon/Sprint will have it later. If you want the cool color displays, high bandwidth, GSM type phones, I-Mode offers, ATTWS has it now. Verizon/Sprint will have it later after they break CDMA.
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Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:1)
The 2.5G hardware is fully upgradeable to 3G. You don't have to deploy any more networks. [...]
people with tri-mode phones are using their british 3G phones here in the usa, NOW. So its GPRS, the end user doesnt know its GPRS, its thier GSM phone. [...]
So, you must work in marketing for Qualcomm...
Seriously though, while I think I know what you're getting at when you assert a difference between deploying a whole new network and a simple "hardware upgrade," I think you've got it backwards.
True (non-Qualcomm marketing wonk) 3G does require new networks. And new spectrum. All of which is expensive. That's why so many operators are rolling out shared networks at first. AT&T and Cingular announced such an agreement a while ago.
And... there are no 3G phones from Britain wandering across the pond just yet.
And... if you're using a GSM phone with GPRS ability, you definitely know it. You configure and use it separately.
But really though, a "hardware upgrade" vs. "a whole new network." It's a bit like Theseus' Ship, isn't it? From one perspective, 3G is simple a hardware upgrade: you just upgrade your antennae, base stations, switches, HLRs, SMSCs, billing systems, handsets,
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:2)
TDMA
2G (TDMA) to 2.5G(GPRS) its a major network upgrade. From 2.5G(GPRS) to 3G(GSM) its a small hardware upgrad
CDMA
2G (CDMA) to 2.5G?(CDMA2000) is a hardware upgrade.
2.5G?(CMDA) to 3G(GSM) is a larger network/hardware upgrade. (I'm not sure about the CDMA world)
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:1)
2G (TDMA) to 2.5G(GPRS) its a major network upgrade. From 2.5G(GPRS) to 3G(GSM) its a small hardware upgrad
This is where I meant you had it backwards. It's a small(ish) hardware upgrade to add GPRS to a GSM network. It needs no new antennae and what not. GSM is 2G, GPRS is 2.5G, and UMTS is (true) 3G.
UMTS uses entirely different spectrum and air interface (CDMA, not TDMA like GSM), not to mention signalling protocols, etc. UMTS is a massive upgrade and is usually considered "a whole new network."
The TDMA you're thinking of is ANSI-136. That specifies the nuts and bolts of the air interface. GSM has different specs, but both use "TDMA" as the means of multiplexing. (Since they're similar, they can be made (forced) to interoperate. This is usually through GAIT [cingular.com].)
The CDMA you're thinking of is ANSI-95. Again, an implementation of "CDMA" as a multiplexing means. UMTS also uses "CDMA" for multiplexing, but to much different specs than current CDMA networks.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:2)
GPRS itself is a 3G style of network, but it is for data only (at least so far in the USA). All voice calls go over the existing TDMA/GSM networks that the operators already have installed.
Color displays, high speed internet, I-mode, etc.. ATTWS has it out NOW due to GPRS
Those features aren't out because of GPRS, Verizon has similiar features in its phones if you are on one of the supported CDMA 2000 networks of theirs. (I haven't heard anything on Sprint's 3G network). I don't know the rollout size of AT&T's GPRS network compared to Verizons, etc, but I'm guessing it's similiar in size.
I'm not saying one technology is going to be better than the other (let's wait about 2 years before jumping to a conclusion). However, each technology is going to provide benefits and drawbacks compared to the other. However, much of your arguments are based on 1) cost of network upgrades, which is mainly an issue of how upgradeable the vendor's hardware is and 2) The cool services that *ALL* 3G networks will provide.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:2)
GPRS itself is a 3G style of network, but it is for data only (at least so far in the USA).
GPRS is voice & data. CDPD was the data only model.
BTW, Smitty, check your journal for a private message.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:1)
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:2)
I guess you *could* put voice over GPRS, but it certainly wasn't intended for it...It does support Ip, so I guess you could do Voice over Ip, but I don't know that it would be up to the Quality of service that customers would expect.
Its hard to get all the phone vendors to offer their color 3G phones in cdma/tdma models. With 80% of the world being GSM, they only have to make small modifications to make the phones work on GPRS networks
While much of Europe is using GSM, only a minority of the USA is using GSM. In most places in the US (IIRC), AT&T, Cingular, etc are still using the TDMA technology to provide voice service. There are even companies that don't make phones for GSM!
Also, saying something like "80% of the world uses" as an argument doesn't fly to well on Slashdot. At least 90% of the world uses Windows, but that doesn't mean it's the best choice.
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:1)
Re:Imod/Wap GPRS/GSM (Score:1)
Second, implenting 1XRTT (144 kbps) for Sprint and Verizon is a much simpler and cheaper upgrade. It consists of installing an extra card into the base station and minor upgrades to software.
Verizon is already testing CDMA 1X EV-DO, which allows download speeds of up to 2.4 Mbps. Sprint and Verizon will be head of the rest of the pack in speed, performance for quite a long while.
Also, lets not forget about 802.11b!!! This technology will soon be offered by the wireless carriers to supplement their data services in various "hotspots."
3G networks (Score:1)
New phones. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:New phones. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:New phones. (Score:1)
Re:New phones. (Score:1)
Having to go through an email gateway to send someone a short message is a gratuitous hack.
The reason SMS gets used so much overseas is because all you need is someone's phone number, as opposed to the knowledge of which provider they're with, that particular provider's number-to-email mapping, etc.
In some ways, it's the old "but we have a gateway" excuse. They can't do it right, but they can put a couple of hacks in place, and it isn't too inconvenient. Right?
Re:New phones. (Score:2)
The Nextel multi-band are simply too brickish...
Re:New phones. (Score:5, Informative)
Even if you get a single-band phone, you should be able to take your GSM phone's SIM card and put it in phones that you rent overseas (called SIM roaming) - but it's much more convenient to just use your phone everywhere, with all the phone numbers and other setup. I've used my GSM phone all round Europe and it worked fine in India (Mumbai) when I was there.
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Re:Phones (Score:2)
Some of this has to do with the same kind of "competition" that air carriers and bus lines engage in; choose areas where you won't pour your precious capital into beating the competition, choose areas where you'll blow them away, and choose areas where it's a real contest. Take what I said above and reverse the names of the companies, and you've got LA.
ATT & Nokia (Score:2)
Re:ATT & Nokia (Score:1)
Re:ATT & Nokia (Score:1)
Re:ATT & Nokia (Score:1)
The Ericsson T68 is really cool too though, you can customize the (color) background, it's got bluetooth for connecting to your laptop (even with a blinky blue light when you're using it).
Both are available in the AT&T Wireless stores.. at least in markets where the 2.5/3G stuff has launched. (I know it's in Seattle & Phoenix, and a few more)
Eric
Verizon is testing new high speed wireless service (Score:3, Informative)
Verizon Wireless plans a trial of a high-speed network next month that would offer advanced wireless Internet connections to businesses at speeds comparable to those achieved by DSL and other landline connections. The network, which will be tested in Tysons Corner, Va., and Rockville, Md., will be capable of data-transmission speeds of up to 2.4 megabits per second, potentially up to 100 times faster than current wireless data-transmission speeds. The trial complements Verizon Wireless' current rollout of third-generation and packet-data services by providing higher data capacity and throughput. "We have had tremendous success with our Express Network launch, and with an eye toward the future, we are sowing the seeds for the rollout of the next evolution of this technology," said Bill Stone, executive director-Network Strategy for Verizon Wireless. The higher-speed wireless network, using a technology labeled "1X EV-DO," is expected to help business customers enhance the productivity of their work force. For example, with Internet Protocol (IP) virtual private network (VPN) connections, business customers would be able to access the Verizon Wireless network as an extension of their corporate LAN or intranet, allowing their employees to work from any location as if they were in the office. The test is being conducted using technology from Lucent. Verizon Wireless also plans to begin a similar test in the San Diego area beginning in June that will feature the technology of Nortel Networks. Verizon Wireless will select participants for the trials. The trial results will help Verizon Wireless determine the best practical applications for the network.
Re:Verizon is testing new high speed wireless serv (Score:2)
Really strange that Nortel/Lucent/Ericson/Nokia dont get more hype, they own the phone networks.
I-mode is about services rather than technology (Score:3, Informative)
The one service that is most likely to be successful is Short Message Service (SMS). But success of SMS depends more on service interoperation and an easy way to type in your message than it does on high bandwidth technology.
prediction: They will f*ck up on the content... (Score:3, Interesting)
Wired ran a nifty story on these a few months back:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.09/do
But expect ATTW to hoard all the marbles and dole them out to the likes of AOL...
A truly great wireless web service will give incentives to local small-time content developers. But most of what we are seeing in the pipeline will be more of the big boys duking it out for turf that consumers are wary of entering. And losing tons of money in the process.
I spent a week in Japan, and can't wait for DoCoMo (Score:4, Informative)
Of course, the arguments AGAINST this kind of technology is because "you shouldn't be playing games on your cell phone". The mentality explains why they're popular in Japan but not here - at least in Tokyo, you spend a lot of time on public transportation, since it's really good there. What you would do on the trains is open up your DoCoMo and read the news or play a game while going to your destination. In America, you spend most of your time in private transportation (cars) - where you should NOT be playing a game or reading the news on a cell phone. (I fully support any legislation that forces the use of hands-free devices when you're driving)
And the funny thing was on one of the trains. There were signs in the cabin asking you not to use your cell phone at your seat to not disturb the other passengers. Then, in between cars (where you can use them), there's a sign that says that J-Phone (the other provider) is equipping all of the tunnels in Tokyo with receivers so you can still use your phone when you go under a tunnel. So they're saying "Please don't use your cell phones on the train, but we're gonna make it easier for you to use your cell phone on the train!"
So now I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of even a low-end DoCoMo to the US - and unfortunately I've heard that Atlanta will not be GSM compliant until the beginning of NEXT year, so I got a ways to wait.
Re:I spent a week in Japan, and can't wait for DoC (Score:1)
Re:I spent a week in Japan, and can't wait for DoC (Score:1)
>So now I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of even a low-end DoCoMo to the US - and unfortunately I've heard that Atlanta will not be GSM compliant until the beginning of NEXT year, so I got a ways to wait.
Actually, while I was at the Verizon store today (don't even ask. You don't want to know), I found out from one of the technicians that Verizon is currently selling a 1X phone in Atlanta and is expected to have the service available by next month. It's not GSM, but it's a definite improvement over current CDMA. He stated that the initial data speed will be 144Kbps, with faster tiered service available in the future.
Sure, 4G is great! (Score:1)
Don't get excited (Score:1)
Many places still don't have DSL or Cable, or if they do, there's pricing/access snafus that muck it up.
Look at AT&T's GSM/GRPS services here. (Score:1)
Its interesting to note that their per K charge is really high, somewhere in the order of 3 cents per kilobyte. Way too high.
Better read that more closely (Score:4, Insightful)
Hooray! i-Mode is coming to the USA at long last!
Oh wait:
Yup, that's right, they're going to launch an i-Mode service, but they're not going to include any of the things that make it cool! Because, of course, being big execs, they know what the American people know better than the American people themselves do. That's why the portals were such roaring successes, after all, right?
Oh wait, it's not even going to really be i-Mode:
Run that one by me again--it's going to be sorta like i-mode, but not really actually i-mode? Just similar in terms of marketing? What does that mean?
Oh, wait, here's what it means:
It means "We want to launch a service which is kind of like i-mode, only without any of that annoying cool stuff, and without having to pay NTT DoCoMo to license their technology. But we're pretending to be i-mode even while we're disclaiming that we're not so that we can get the right keywords into our press release."
Feh.
Re:Better read that more closely (Score:1)
Re:Better read that more closely (Score:2, Insightful)
What unites all of i-mode's services and features is that they are all extremely easy to use, visually appealing and cheap by design - that includes the handsets (well, except for the "cheap" part), the user interfaces and the available i-mode "sites" (though DoCoMo is careful to *never* use internet terminology - calling i-mode the "wireless web" is fundamentally against what i-mode is all about). At the time i-mode was introduced, these features were all for the most part unique in Japan - as was the business model. But it was the ease of use and general friendliness of i-mode that caused it to catch on.
There's a well-known story about the head of DoCoMo getting the idea for i-mode by handing a random woman in a line a cel phone and asking her what was wrong with it - her answer was that she couldn't figure out how to use it. If AT&T's going to take the cop-out American attitude that they need to sell this service to business users first, they'll fail - i-mode was always a consumer-oriented service.
It's possible that even with significant changes AT&T could still get i-mode right, especially if they listen carefully to DoCoMo - who are pretty tuned in to why i-mode caught on the way it did in Japan. It's not about appealing to business users, and it's not about the "wireless web" - it's simply about connecting people to both each other as well as lots and lots of information and doing it in the easiest to use, most attractive and cheapest way possible. AT&T doesn't need to replicate the Japanese feature set precisely, but they do need to understand what makes i-mode i-mode as opposed to every other wireless web service out there.
Re:Better read that more closely (Score:1)
So will Java I-mode games work with it or not? (Score:2)
Re:So will Java I-mode games work with it or not? (Score:1)
The jar size is the most limiting factor. That 10k holds everything you don't want to d/l from the net while playing your game; class files, graphics, music, data; everything. If you choose to d/l your content from the net, that limits where you can play your game and (at least here in Japan where we are billed by the PACKET) can REALLY jack up your bill- most of the "commercial" games for iMode phones do this, and it gets super-annoying FAST (but even a few extra k really boost the experience).
All this sounds dark, but it is so incredibly cool to play a game or use an app you've written while waiting for the train, that it's worth it. Well, sort of. ;)
what's cool about i-mode (Score:1)
had spent the last two years developing
iMode applications.
What's cool about iMode for me was:
1) Google's iMode gateway - search Google, and
it converts anything (including frames!) into
cHTML pages in 5 kbyte chunks, with navigation
links. I used to read Roger Ebert's movie reviews, on my phone on the train.
2) cHTML is not WAP. You could write basic
HTML pages and they would display on the
phones. No syntax errors, no WML, no gateways
barfing on you. It simply worked, just like
the real web used to. It showed that
WAP was completely unneccessary for
accessing the web over small low bandwidth
devices. Plain old forms work better than "cards",
and encourage a more consistent user interface.
3) Email -- the phone's email app was nicely
integrated with the browser - you could read your mail and send it, real SMTP mail, and if you got
a hyperlink in your email, you could click to follow it in your browser.
4) iAppli -- you could write little Java
apps that run in the phone, and can talk to
the network via HTTP. Sound, animation,
little scratchpad memory on the phone.
5) Nice TFT color displays, FM synthesized polyphonic high quality sound.
6) Latency to get pages was very low, maybe
a few seconds the first time you hit a site,
and then less than 2 seconds for each subsequent page.
7) You could use plain GIF images in
your pages. They didn't handle JPEG at that
time though
Anyway, the thing simply worked. No fooling around
with broken phones and broken emulators and
incompatible protocols. NTT just leaned on the
handset makers and made them comply with the
(simple) standards.
It is the direct opposite of the WAP situation in the US. WAP should just hurry up and die, and
make room for something that works.
1x is not 2.5 G (Score:1)
Compare this to GPRS which is a 2.5G technology. It offers no other enhanced features to the system other than slightly faster data speeds. In order for GPRS to reach 1x speeds the carrier would have to dedicate 8 concatenated channels and turn off error correction. This is obviously not deployable in this form for real life situations.
Also consider the future of each technology. Enhanced GPRS (EDGE) has a max speed of 384kbps and 1xEV-DO is about 2.4mbps.
3G (Score:1)