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Netscape 7.0 is Out 632

Posted by CmdrTaco from the stuff-to-download dept.
MrJones was one of many many users to submit that Netscape has released Navigator 7.0 unto the world. With their dwindling market share, it'll be interesting to see what affect this has on internet users. But here's hoping it makes a dent.
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Netscape 7.0 is Out

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  • EFFECT (Score:4, Funny)

    by yesthatguy ( 69509 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:55PM (#4165301) Homepage
    Argh! Things don't have an affect!

  • Yes, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nbvb ( 32836 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:56PM (#4165308) Journal
    But where is the platform support?

    Some of us have SPARCs on our desk. Or PA-RISC machines. Or RS6k's.

    These were all supported with Communicator ...

    NS7 is useless to me till I can run it on these platforms...

    --NBVB

  • Why use Netscape (Score:5, Funny)

    by Skyshadow ( 508 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:56PM (#4165311) Homepage
    Why should/would I use Netscape instead of Mozilla? Not getting enough pop-up windows in my life? Feel the need for a more closed solution?

    • Re:Why use Netscape (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Ravagin ( 100668 )

      Maybe you're not a computer geek and you've never heard of Mozilla, but you know the guy down the hall who does all the website stuff is always complaining about Netscape 4 and you want to upgrade....

  • No anti-popup ads support (Score:3, Informative)

    by ChazeFroy ( 51595 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:56PM (#4165312) Homepage
    There's no anti-javascript popup ads support. I'm sticking with Mozilla [mozilla.org].

  • 6, 6.1, 7? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by n-baxley ( 103975 ) <nate&baxleys,org> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:57PM (#4165316) Homepage Journal
    Why the quick jump to version 7? Is it just to match AOL v.7 or some other strange reason that my small non-marketing brain can't figure out?

  • CNet Review - "Don't switch browsers" (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:57PM (#4165317)
    The CNET review of 7.0 is here [cnet.com].

    Title: Don't switch browsers

    Summary:
    We had high hopes for Netscape 7.0, but we're sorely disappointed, especially by the missing pop-up suppressor. There's no practical reason to switch from either IE or Mozilla.
    • I haven't seen an example of how it "Displays AOL ads everywhere" as mentioned in the CNET review. I wonder if CNET and I downloaded and installed the same software.

      As posted here [ufaq.org] on slashdot, there is a way to disable pop-ups. Sounds like CNET had a bone to pick.
    • Its funny that their review of IE 6 [cnet.com] scored the same as Netscape 7, 7 out of 10. It is funny to read the review because it pretty much says what the Netscape 7 review says, but for IE. "Don't switch if you like Netscape", "No startling improvements or features", etc. What I would like to see is an update to the IE 6 review that makes new comparisons to NS 7 instead of 6.1 and see what he thinks then. His review of Netscape 7 just didn't do that.

    • Popup blocking IS in Netscape 7.0 (Score:4, Informative)

      by superyooser ( 100462 ) on Friday August 30, 2002 @01:03AM (#4168370) Homepage Journal
      The functionality is in the code, but there's no way to access it from the GUI menu-based preferences. You have to set some "hidden" preferences like this by manually editing the file where your preferences are stored.

      Look for these lines in the prefs.js file in your profile directory, and make sure that they have the values indicated below. If the lines don't exist, just copy and paste the lines below into your prefs.js file.

      user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
      user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

      For lots of details about prefs, go here [mozilla.org].

  • Steroptypical response (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Roadmaster ( 96317 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:58PM (#4165325) Homepage Journal
    "Um, so what, Netscape is dead, use mozilla"

    "yeah, big deal, it's based on Mozilla 1.0 when the Mozilla Organization just released 1.1, kudos to Netscape's already outdated browser".

    Yes, but a lot of the time it's easier to:

    1- have users download the familiar Netscape product instead of "that mozilla dinosaur thingy".

    2- Introduce Netscape to organizations; at least it's a familiar name and brand for them.

    I'm a rabid mozilla user, but still I'm pleased to see that Netscape is still alive, if maybe under AOL's life support infrastructure.
  • Data shows Netscape browser usage down to just 3.4%

    Microsoft's rival browser, Internet Explorer, by contrast, has an estimated 96%
    of the market, according to Internet research firm WebSideStory.

    http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C7 38 50%2C0.html?nlid=AM
    • Microsoft's rival browser, Internet Explorer, by contrast, has an estimated 96% of the market...

      because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...

      because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...

      because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...

      because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...

      For Gods sake, people, don't set Konq/Moz/Opera to say it's IE, or we'll never get a true picture. And, if a site doesn't let you in as your true self, don't go to the site, and send them an email telling them that you didn't.
      • I would be very interested to know what slashdot's browser percentages are.

        My guess it goes something like...

        64% IE (silent majority)
        20% Mozilla (loud minority)
        10% Opera (for people who like to browse really fast)
        5% Konquerer (hey, it came with my distro)
        3% Lynx (for people who just can't get enough command lines)

        (yeah, it adds up to 102%. The editors can't spell, either)

  • AOL AOL AOL (Score:4, Insightful)

    by exhilaration ( 587191 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @01:59PM (#4165335)
    Wasn't AOL supposed to be phasing out Internet Explorer in favor of Netscape?

    Think of what might happen if the gazillions of AOL users started using Netscape when they upgrade to the next version of AOL!!!!!

    AOL has the power to change the browser demographics of the web.

    • Re:AOL AOL AOL (Score:3, Insightful)

      by trifster ( 307673 )
      this needs to be modded higher. This is a key point. Once Netscape gets put on CD's by ISPs ESPICALLY Aol watch that market share dwindle. As sorry as it is we need a monopoly to beat a monopoly.
  • Forget netscape - we need to get the word out about how good Mozilla is. As a tech guy I've heard all about Mozilla and I use it all the time - but the average user thinks it is a new monster in JP4 or something! If Mozilla could get its name out (ie Super Bowl Ad), it would REALLY catch on....
    • Or do what I do. Use it at work, test with it. I've had *many* cases where it is faster and/or better than IE. Show people the popup blocking. Show people the pretty themes. Most of the company I work at (~400 people) use Mozilla at least some of the time and a good chunk of those use it almost all the time. Word of mouth works great for Mozilla because it *really* is better in many ways.

  • Mozillazine has more info... (Score:5, Informative)

    by edgrale ( 216858 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:00PM (#4165351)
    So that you wont have to /. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:

    Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.

    Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.

    Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site [netscape.com] or FTP server [netscape.com]. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central [netscape.com] or in the Release Notes [netscape.com].

  • NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:5, Informative)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:00PM (#4165354)
    Before anyone asks, the primary reason to use Netscape over Mozilla is stability. Netscape releases are traditionally clobbered a lot harder than Mozilla which means they crash less. End users like that. It also has some extra frills like AIM/ICQ integration, a spellchecker and links to AOL content such as their Spinner/Radio and My Netscape etc..


    If you prefer bleeding edge code with more bugs then use Mozilla. It doesn't have any of the above and has the popup blocker UI. Web developers will also appreciate stuff like the DOM inspector and JS Debugger modules.

    • I think Mozilla 1.1 Beta has crashed maybe 3 times for me. 1.0 crashed fewer than that. I restarted the browser and I was back in business.

      IE6 brought my home 2000 Server machine to its knees last night and the one at work down this afternoon. At home it took 10 minutes to log me out so I could log in and start over, at work I had to hard reset as it wouldn't even log out properly. And it's far from the first time for either of those boxes it's happened.

      • Re:Stability? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by satanami69 ( 209636 )
        I used to run into the same problem with long log out times when something crashed on Win2k. Ive found that having a backup administrator was very useful. Instead of logging out, you lock the workstation. Then when it gives you the message that only user or and admin, log in as the other admin and it'll quickly log you out without hurting anything.

    • Re:NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:2, Informative)

      by iksowrak ( 208577 )
      Netscape 7.0 isn't any more stable than the Mozilla 1.0.1 it's based on. Release candidates, betas and nightly builds of Mozilla are the (potentially) unstable builds.

      • Re:NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:5, Informative)

        by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:21PM (#4165536)
        It isn't Mozilla 1.0.1. Development continued on the branch and it received a whole slew of fixes that never appeared in Mozilla. All of these are a result of extra testing and nail stability and compatibility even further.


        By comparison, Mozilla 1.1 is based off the trunk where the controls on checkins are much less strict and the QA is less intensive.


        This means while Mozilla is also an excellent browser, there will be bugs introduced that weren't caught and the chances of crashes or weird behaviour are higher. This might not be an issue for power users, but end users probably care less about the bleeding edge features than about stability. Netscape 7.0 also ties into AOL/Netscape content which is also handy if you want to immediately start using the browser for reading the news, shopping, finding recipes, talking to friends etc.

  • Should make a dent if included in AOL (Score:5, Informative)

    by joncarwash ( 600744 ) <jonathanwhodges&gmail,com> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:04PM (#4165377) Homepage

    From the article, it appears as though they are testing Netscape 7 to be included with the next AOL version. If this indeed goes through (and finally replaces IE, which has been included in AOL because of an agreement with MS from just before AOL purchased Netscape), this will surely make dent due to the large AOL subscription base.

    Although Mozilla [mozilla.org] has been available for a while and is a favorite among developers, it accounts for little among regular users. Netscape is much more recognized by name and will be advertised like crazy (banner already up on cnn.com [cnn.com]).

    Also, Microsoft's upcoming Win XP update will include the option of providing alternate "middleware" including browsers. According to this article [com.com], Netscape 7 will be compatible with Win XP's alternate Middleware option. This should give PC makers as well as end users the option to switch without lots of hassle.

  • Netscape 7 life expectancy (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Azar ( 56604 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:04PM (#4165378) Homepage
    I would like to see Netscape recover a decent market share. At least 20-30% of the browser market. But I'm not sure how much life it has left in it. Most Netscape geek users prefer Mozilla and the pop-up blocking (myself included) and those who -were- big Netscape fans have quite a sour taste left in there mouths after 6.0. Netscape really jumped the gun on that one. A case of a premature introduction doing more harm than good. Everyone I know who still uses Netscape has reverted back to 4.7 and grumbles everytime you mention Netscape 6.x.

    I hope that the Netscape 6.x fiasco hasn't ruined 7.x's chances of making a resonable dent. Netscape 7.0 is everyting 6.0 should have been (and then some).

    Long live Mozilla based browsers!
  • Mozilla still has a problem where sometimes the address bar doesn't work. Did they fix that? Do they even know what caused it in the first place?

    All you have to do to fix it is close and reopen, but it's really annoying.
    • YES, they fixed that evil bug. I can report that after 24 hours of testing, on 1.0 I would see it at least twice an hour (if not more), and on 1.1, I do NOT see it any longer.

      If you wanna search bugzilla for the bug, feel free.

  • it's not just the browser (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ravagin ( 100668 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:05PM (#4165387)

    One of the main challenges faced in getting users to use standards-compliant browsers over obsolete programs such as Netscape 4-series is also the computers. At places still using older systems or franken-systems, Moz (may just be too hefty for Windows. It doesn't seem as much of a problem on PCs, because IE is available, but many people still use NS4 for the mail client (and I cannot in good conscience tell them that Moz's is overwhelmingly superior, despite weird stuff like NS4 Mail encoding all messages in Rot13 [sameperson.net] by accident). It is an even bigger challenge with Macs, because many older Macs just won't comfortably run IE/mac, so NS4/mac is the browser of choice for aging Macs.

    But saturating the market with standards-compliant browsers is helpful anyway. I could only wish more people knew about Mozilla, for their sake.

    • Well, there's also the planned lifecycle of software where companies plan for an upgrade every two to four years for stability, and absolutely refuse to upgrade otherwise. City government offices in particular.

      Whatever works for them, I suppose.

  • Please, AOLTW, switch to NS from IE for AOL.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by iamsure ( 66666 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:06PM (#4165413) Homepage
    Please,

    As a webdesigner, a web game [sourceforge.net] developer, and as an internet user, please for the love of God, start the browser war back up.

    When we have competition, at a scale over 20% for the browser, we will FINALLY see standards begin to matter!

    AOL needs to:

    - Aggressively work with computer makers to ship NS as the default browser in place of IE. More power to them if they also get AOL on it.

    - Aggressively work to woo corporations to using Netscape again. Thats where Netscape was immensely powerful before, and where they can be again!

    - Replace AOL's IE rendering engine with NS. They began with a closed beta, continued to Compuserve, moved it to AOL 4 Macs, now they need to do it on ALL of AOL.

    With that, we may see a reverse in the tides. ANYTHING short of all of that, and it will be just a ripple.

    PLEEEEEASE AOL, NS7 *IS READY*!
    • Aggressively work to woo corporations to using Netscape again. Thats where Netscape was immensely powerful before, and where they can be again!

      I agree, except Netscape really needs a calendar solution [slashdot.org] before they can woo people away from Outlook / IE.

      Jason.

      • Well, I dont see Mozilla's mail as a replacement for Outlook in alot of ways, starting with usability and ending with imap bugginess.

        However, the browser and the basic mail client is solid enough to go up against IE/Outlook Express.

        But yes, I agree, a standardized calendar solution would be really nice.
    • I agree that Netscape/Mozilla has reached a point where it could easily replace IE as a browser of choice. However, my guess is that AOL's reasoning is that many sites still treat *all* versions of Netscape as if they were inferior to IE. A good number of online banking and credit card websites (CapitalOne, for instance) won't even let you log into your account unless you're using IE. This would result in AOL getting tons of calls from clueless users.
      • Maybe we need a website with a database devoted entirely to giving websites like CapitalOne a hard time for being IE only.

        Does such a website exist? Maybe if we got together we could email these people and thier bosses to get them to support Netscape.

        Does such a website exist?
        • I posted the e-mail I sent to capital one, to the mozilla bug in question [mozilla.org]. Indeed, I did cancel my Capital One card -- I found a much, much better fixed rate somewhere else, anyway. I encourage you, and others, to do the same.

          In case bugzilla gobbles up the slashdot link, cut and paste from here:
          http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id =89853# c16 ..oh yeah, and remove the spaces in the URL that slashdot adds.

      • Bankers Irony (Score:5, Insightful)

        by freerangegeek ( 451133 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:53PM (#4165751)
        Given the raft of security bugs surrounding IE and forged certs, isn't it kind of dangerous to do your banking on IE? Wouldn't Mozilla or Konqueror be a safer choice?

        • Re:Bankers Irony (Score:5, Informative)

          by Conare ( 442798 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:49PM (#4166608) Journal
          Mod parent up! The reason that the recent IE certificate bug [thoughtcrime.org] exists at all is that they don't follow the standard. [ietf.org]
          A certificate using system MUST reject the certificate if it encounters a critical extension it does not recognize
          IE does not process the critical basicConstraints extension (as well as others) and still accepts the certificate. Netscape (even back to version 4) will reject a critical extension that it does not recognize.
    • An interesting editorial, especially since these all are the exact same things (essentially) that put IE on most desktops: making deals with software vendors and aggressively (and intrusively) push their product down the throats of its potential user base.

      If NS/Mozilla is going to win this "browser war", they'll have to do it by creating a better product (which I believe they are on track to do). More "aggressive" marketing will only embitter people as MS has done with its omnipresent IE.

  • My Mozilla story (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SquadBoy ( 167263 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:07PM (#4165421) Homepage Journal
    many people hate Netscape what with the AOL stuff the ads etc etc. But just about everyday here at work I convert someone to Mozilla and/or show them some way in which it is better than IE. This has gotten to the point where next week I have a meeting with our MIS department to implement Mozilla in addition to IE as a standard. The moral of the story start using it and when people have a problem with IE test using Mozilla many times it will work and people will start to use it and love it. Also the whole blocking popup thing is a good way to sell people on it. :)
  • These seem like the thinnest of thin cosmetic crud type changes. This is really pathetic. Woowee now that I have no need to use the browser to launch AOLIM they integrate it, ooooh themes and skins, wow zipee !!!
    • These seem like the thinnest of thin cosmetic crud type changes.

      Ah, Comparing Netscape's 7.0 release with their last release which was 4.8 2 weeks ago, you'd have to be pretty dense to only see cosmetic changes. Sure, the UI is redone, but Netscape 7 includes a completely rewritten renderer that supports all the latest standards.

      Hopefully ISP's will bundle 7 with their software to allow their customers to experience these minor cosmetic improvements.

      -Brent

  • Slashdot effect? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Andy Dodd ( 701 ) <<atd7> <at> <cornell.edu>> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:11PM (#4165452) Homepage
    Either it's not happening (the comments I've seen so far might explain why), or NS is withstanding it quite well.

    I was shocked how fast I downloaded all 28 megs (NS, RealPlayer, Java 2, Flash, etc.) for a full install, even over my company's typically laggy connection.

    Yes, I use NS7. It's more polished than Moz overall. I've been using the PR all summer (Why didn't they go through multiple PRs??? There was PR1 and that was it...) Yes, Moz might have some neat features, but overall I've had too many negative experiences with it. (Like refusing to access SSL pages - "Please download the PSM" - I DOWNLOADED AND INSTALLED IT, DELETED AND REINSTALLED IT AGAIN - WORK GODDAMNIT!)

    Interesting how Netscape Radio compares to (say) Musicmatch's radio offering. Haven't checked to see if it runs under Linux yet (2 hours 'till I get home), but it's gonna hurt MM if it can compare, considering that it appears to be free.
  • I was pokin thru their site the other day, and found this: ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4. 8/ [netscape.com]

    The funny thing is that 4.79 is listed at 11/7/2001, while this is actually brand new: 8/15/2002.

    dunno why they're supporting this old ver, but whatever..

  • Netscape popularity a problem for webmasters ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by theefer ( 467185 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:15PM (#4165494) Homepage
    I'm really amazed to see the popularity of Netscape, especially version 4.* and especially for the "newbie internet users". The fact is, ISP often offer a free CD containing MS IE5 and NN4.7. Right.

    I was a NN user two years ago, when I had no alternative. Today, let's face it : NN4.* is crap. I mean IE is not the best browser for specs compliance, and crashes quite often. But NN4.* doesn't even support CSS1, which is really a shame if we plan to use HTML4.01 Strict. Opera is quite a good, rapid, nice browser, but since the free version has a banner and since it's not on the ISP CDs, it will never make it amongst beginners.

    [ right, you'll have noticed that I only speak about windows, since any normal linux user will use a recent Mozilla (or galeon & co) or Konqueror. I'm talking about people who don't even know what a setup.exe is. ]

    So the problem is : I've never seen any ISP shipping its CD with a NN >4 browser. Since NN6 is such a sloooow program, it's not much of a surprise, I agree. We'll see what NN7 will change in this business.

    However, the fact is : many internet users are beginners, and many beginners use the browser they were given in the first place (IE5 or NN, maybe they prefer NN because of its mail client which is less effective in virus auto-install). What's wrong with that ?

    NN4 *is* deprecated. I mean it doesn't support recent standards. So if you are a webmaster, and that you or your customers want the majority of the people to be able to view your website, you have no choice but make your HTML code NN4 compliant. And to some extent, recent-standards-non-compliant.

    I wouldn't be whinning about that here if my customer didn't make me recode his website to make it NN4 compliant (wow, great creepy code with tables, frames, and all).

    A solution would be for the ISP to *stop* distributing this old NN version with their CDs. Mozilla is mature enough to replace it, isn't it ? Or even a recent NN version ...

    Let's hope ISP will wake up, eventually, and update their CDs so that we'll finally be able to use the new possibilities the W3C has been working on for two years ...
  • My sig says it all. I'm still waiting, too. :)

    siri
    • I am still waiting to hear one good reason to run Netscape 7 instead of Mozilla! :-)

      I'm sure that the world isn't about to end due to you not running Netscape 7. Me personally, I'm running Opera 6 (Registered, BTW), Mozilla 1.1, and Netscape 7. Also, I install Netscape 7 on Windows boxes because the people who use them know what Netscape is, and want it.

      -Brent
  • I have to wonder how they get these stats. I mean, it would lend to common sense that they are using the user agent string on server statistics. The problem is, how many people have to spoof their user agent as MSIE in order to get sites to send them the right (unbroken) html? I know I do.

    • Shouldn't do that (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Salsaman ( 141471 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:28PM (#4165582) Homepage
      I know it's tempting and sometimes necessary to change the browser string, but in the end it's counter-productive. It just lowers the apparent percentage of mozilla users on the net, and provides less of an incentive for websites to accomodate mozilla.

      If you must do it, the least you could do is email the site and let them know they are losing potential customers. At least then there is a chance that they will fix the markup and so next mozilla user to come along won't have to change their UA string.

      • Yes. I realize that, and believe me, I've tried to get some of these sites to change that behavior. Most of the time they just don't care. They figure it would cost them too much to have it fixed by the developer, or they think that just because you don't run IE you must be some sort of anti-MS zealot (or maybe I'm just paranoid).

        I'd leave my user agent as Mozilla 5, but then I'd have to shut down Mozilla to set the user agent every time I suspected a descrimination problem. I suppose they should really add a user-agent selector in Mozilla.
  • I downloaded it today (before this was posted) and ran it. Mozilla 1.1 that is. It wasn't slow, but it was ugly and didn't seem to want to render pages with any type of regularity.

    So I tossed it off and went back to Opera. No fuss, no muss, no big issues. Opera just works. And when I get my home system back up and running, Linux will be running Opera as well.

    I've used Mozilla off and on since M12 or something like that, and never liked how it felt or handled. Netscape 4.x was ok for me, but not Mozilla. But that's just one opinion on the land of trolls and thoughtful posters.

  • No more roaming access (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Orp ( 6583 )
    It appears they've removed roaming access from Netscape. This allowed for remote storage of bookmarks on a properly configured server (via http) so that you always had the same bookmarks regardless of what machine you were running on. Maybe they dropped it because the implementation they were using was bad, but for me it was a nearly invaluable service. Anyone know if some sort of similar service is in store for future versions of netscape or mozilla?

  • Netscape ~= Mozilla (Score:2, Insightful)

    by g8oz ( 144003 )
    Just remember that Netscape is based on Mozilla, and that most of the people doing the actual hacking on Moz are paid Netscape employees

    So it is important that Netscape survives.

  • For one, there is a plethora of application that requrie an application certification before you can use them in a "supported" environment. An infamous application coming to mind is Oracle Applications 11i.

    Mozilla isn't going to do the dirty work, so like every other version of netscape, they have a better chance of competing with Microsoft, especially with Oracle's anti MS beliefs to begin with.

    Netscape "dummies" up the process so end users can plug and play, alot better then mozilla does, and netscape offers more bells and whistles that a normal windows user probably will use and enjoy.

    I personally liked the fact that they're serving up the release quickly, (took all but 10 seconds to install over ds3) have been great on following up with fixes, and face it, without netscape there wouldn't have been a mozilla!

  • i had my suspicions all along (Score:3, Funny)

    by SethJohnson ( 112166 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:51PM (#4165729) Homepage Journal


    Netscape 7.0 is Out

    I think a lot of us in the community had our suspicions about Netscape's preferences. Something about the smile on that big lizard...

    Sure explains all those sites not supporting Netscape... damn homophobes! Perhaps all Netscape users can now sue those sites for discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation...

  • This seasons fassion tips (Score:4, Funny)

    by oliverthered ( 187439 ) <oliverthered.hotmail@com> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:57PM (#4165783) Journal
    Netscape 7 is out.
    Internet explorer is in..

  • 7.0 Is Out!! (Score:3, Funny)

    by dbretton ( 242493 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:41PM (#4166117) Homepage

    Net-whah?

  • Why you may not want to disable popups (Score:3, Informative)

    by ChrisWong ( 17493 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:59PM (#4166277) Homepage
    From their release notes:


    Opening Radio@Netscape may instead open a blank window if you share a profile with Mozilla. Workaround: Remove the following line from prefs.js:

    user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);


    It seems Radio@Netscape depends on popups to work.

  • Spellchecker anyone? (Score:3, Informative)

    by cornice ( 9801 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:30PM (#4166506)
    You can get get the Linux spellchecker.xpi [netscape.com] and the Windows spellchk.xpi [netscape.com] from the Netscape FTP site along with some other options that aren't included with Mozilla. Yea, I know that there is a spellchecker project for Mozilla but it's not really ready yet - and my wife is really complaining about it.

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