High-Speed Data Transfer Over ... Mud 148
An anonymous reader writes "You might have laid Ethernet through some pretty aggressive environments, but how about through a 4-inch diameter steel pipe immersed in electrically conductive mud at pressures up to 1000 atmospheres, temperatures up to 150 deg C, and with vibrational accelerations of hundreds of g?
The Department of Energy has announced the invention of a system to allow data transmission up to 1 Mbit/s along drillpipe. That might not sound too fast, but the current technology uses some pretty neat electromechanical engineering to get ... 10 bits per second (on a good day). This will revolutionize the oil industry's ability to see where its wells are going and steer them into pockets of oil."
Re:oil companies (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:oil companies (Score:3, Interesting)
And I'm sure that they are just going to air-lift the drilling equipment, living quarters, monitoring equipment, etc. in, right? No paths need to be made to get there, or to get the oil out.
Obviously you haven't seen pictures of it or been there yourself. Just because there aren't trees blooming 50 feet in the air doesn't make it desolate. There's this neat (but very fragile) ecology called Tundra. ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, not ANWAR) is a Wildlife Refuge for a reason. And that reason is not that is is devoid of life.
Define better. More developed. Sure. More westernized. I grant you that. But the native cultures are struggling for survival. These are cultures that have existed far longer than western "civilization".
Developing (or exploiting, it all depends on how you wish to look at it) ANWR (remember, its first and foremost a Wildlife Refuge, not an oil field) will certainly be beneficial (in the short term) to Alaska's economy. I personally wonder if the benefits are worth the potential harm.
Yeah, it's offtopic. I'm probably feeding trolls as well. Life is hell.
Re:oil companies (Score:1)
This is true and if they had adapted to their environment as well as we have to ours they would probably have big honking oil drills and car factories too.
Out of curiosity do you use oil based energy? if So why not stop driving your car of running your air conditioner/heater of fosil fuels or stop ranting till you do.
The energy to live in the manner to which we are accustomed must come from somewhere or we must cease living in the manner to which we are accustomed.
We can't have both.
Re:oil companies (Score:2)
Why is that? They did adapt to their environment, and lived in harmony with it for many millennia. What you are describing is making your environment adapt to you.
Yes I do. Rhetorical question, I know. I use it sparingly though. I drive a small car, commute, use energy efficient appliances, etc. There is a difference between admiring a society's longevity and ability to live in harmony with nature and leaving the comforts I am accustomed to to take that way of life. I appreciate all the work that body builders go through to "get ripped", but I'm not going to expend the effort myself.
Personally, I wouldn't have classified my statements as ranting. More of a counter-point. Obviously, I'm biased.
Perhaps my point is that the way that we are accustomed to living is not sustainable long-term. The "native" populations (be it Native Alaskans, Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, what have you) have shown that their lifestyle is sustainable long term.
Read into that what you will.
Re:oil companies (Score:1)
Once the road is in, the total well site is about the size of a missile silo or large house.
In ANWR the total planned developed area was under 5 square miles.
Re:oil companies (Score:1)
Re:oil companies (Score:1)
Looks like I got it right with ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). At least according the US Federal Government, the State of Alaska, the envrionmental groups and people up there.
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=anwr
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http://www.kaktovik.com/
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Second, yea 5 square miles, 10, 15 whatever, it's a drop in the bucket, a teeny-tiny percent of the total area in ANWR.
Do you have an oil well on your land? I do, a single well 6.5 miles North of Lantry South Dakota in a joint venture with another company. It was drilled in the early 1960s, then went silent, then reopened in the early 1980s.
The current plan for ANWR isn't to build a pipeline, not yet at least, although that would be the least invasive way to get the oil out.
You ask if I believe everything the industry says, I ask, do you believe everything environmental groups say?
Re:oil companies (Score:2)
Re:oil companies (Score:1, Offtopic)
Go Nuclear Power!
Everything else is just code for "make do with less energy useage" right now. Hydrogen is going to eventually be there, so will orbitally generated microwave beamed solar, as well as microturbine generators and a dozen other sources but none of them are here today. When it makes economic sense to switch, the US and the rest of the world will switch. Until then, hooray for oil!
The fact is that switching uneconomically shrinks our surplus. So what say the economically illiterate enviros. The problem is that this surplus is what is used to feed the starving, educate the poor ignorant, and various other good works (along with the usual self-indulgences). If you take away the surpluses, it's the hard up 3rd worlders that end up getting hit the hardest.
Re:oil companies (Score:1)
M.U.D. (Score:5, Funny)
I read this as M.U.D. at first (Multi User Dungeon).
"While you drill for oil, you see a vibrant pixie nearby".
"Something is scribbled in the mud here.."
The message in the mud reads: /."
"high-speed network via M.U.D. is under construction; announce it on
Possible exits: Down, Up, Home
Re:Dungeon? (Re:M.U.D.) (Score:2, Funny)
Multi-User Domain
Multi-User Dimension
Multiple User Domain
Multiple User Dialogue
Mauve Ugly Ducks [dmoz.org]
Jouster
Re:Dungeon? (Re:M.U.D.) (Score:1)
Your sig is cool. I'm thinking of collecting
Chances are if you like linux you were also picked on in school... - phorm
Re:Dungeon? (Re:M.U.D.) (Score:2)
Re:M.U.D. (Score:1)
you are likely to be eaten by a grue
Re:M.U.D. (Score:1)
Re:M.U.D. (Score:1)
Thanks, technology! (Score:1, Offtopic)
Well that's good news! They certainly need all the help they can get bringing us all that Texas Tea that we need to live fulfilling lives.
I can sleep easy now. Thanks, technology!
1 MB/s? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:1 MB/s? (Score:2)
Re:1 MB/s? (Score:5, Funny)
+1 virtual mod point for you (Score:1)
Re:1 MB/s? Here's a guess... (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, for starters you could put an array of accoustic, microwave, or electrical transmitters & sensors in the pipe just BEHIND the drill and image the region ahead of the drill with radar and/or sonar. If you see a pocket of something that sounds/conducts/reflects like oil a bit off to one side, you can adjust the drill to curve in that direction (or send the NEXT one over that way).
10 BPS just doesn't cut it for uploading imaging information, even if you put most of the fancy processing down with the sensore. But T1 rates are just fine.
There's lots of other stuff you want to monitor - temperature, pressure, conductivity, etc. to find out what sort of stuff you're drilling through.
And it's important to know when to give up, stop pouring money down THIS hole and start over somewhere else. It costs a LOT to run the rig long enough to drill even another foot...
I recall, back in the early days, a company in Ann Arbor made a little board with a CMOS Z80-clone, a ROM with a BASIC interpreter, a serial port, and a few I/O ports - including some analog inputs. They sold a LOT of 'em to an oil company.
Seems that every now and then they would pull up the drill and send one of these down to measure some stuff. Then they would send the drill down behind it and grind it up. It was cheaper to buy a new one (and the associated cable) each time than to leave the rig idle long enough to pull the old one up. (And considering how fast a winch can crank, and how much custom computer stuff cost back in those days, that will tell you a lot about the per-minute cost of an oil rig and drilling team.)
So imagine how much they can save if they don't need to pull the DRILL up - disassembling it as they go - then reverse the whole process to put it back down, every time they want to take another reading.
Why more bandwidth needed? (Score:2, Funny)
Look for it soon, only $1 a minute in streaming video.
Written transcript: Black, black, brown, gray, black, brown...
Re:Why more bandwidth needed? (Score:5, Funny)
*click here*
More than mud? (Score:4, Funny)
Or, they could just use wifi...
Re:More than mud? (Score:5, Funny)
--
Evan
Re:More than mud? (Score:1)
Mud + 802.11b (Score:4, Funny)
nothing new (Score:1, Interesting)
As for why they need to get data out, consider that when you're looking for oil, you need to figure out what the EXACT geological formations look like (in 3 dimensions) a mile or 2 underneath the surface of the earth. The more data you can get out of a hole about any number of factors (rock hardness, resistivity, etc...) at a known depth, the better your odds are of figuring out what's down there in the main.
Re:nothing new (Score:2)
Re:nothing new (Score:1)
Re:nothing new (Score:1, Funny)
Re:nothing new (Score:2)
Re:nothing new (Score:2)
That's Nothing! (Score:5, Funny)
Much easier communication than the old "pulsed-bullshit" telemetry, though.
Jouster
slashdot (Score:2)
And the environmentalists.... (Score:1)
Re:And the environmentalists.... (Score:1)
The technology, not the drilling...
OK, it can hanlde all that (Score:1, Offtopic)
Stupid contractors keep cutting through damn cables in my area.
more details (Score:4, Informative)
For more than 60 years, engineers have struggled with the problem of a drill pipe connection, or "tool joint," that would stand up to the wear and tear of increasingly hostile downhole drilling conditions, yet provide reliable electrical connections every 30 feet over thousands of feet of pipe penetrating deep into some of nature's harshest environments. [...]
But the excruciatingly slow pace of mud pulse telemetry - 3 to 10 bits per second - often meant that data resolution was so poor that the driller could not make crucial decisions in real time. Often, time-consuming operations would be required to retrieve the downhole data or drilling would have to stop while other procedures were employed to confirm the low-resolution data pulsed to the surface.
And there is this link, complete with pretty graphics, from the company that actually developed the technology
http://www.grantprideco.com/gptechnologies/Intelli Pipe.asp [grantprideco.com]
have fun
Oh, great, I can see it now.... (Score:4, Funny)
Ugh,
Jouster
Re:Oh, great, I can see it now.... (Score:2)
That's right, and any oil pumped through it must have the source code for the drill software. Any gas produced from teh oil must then contain the code for the oil and the drill. The gas that's produced can only be run in non proprietary engines and the owner of the engine can request the source for the drill at any time.
For more information on the origin of this problem (Score:5, Informative)
Another sign of the Apocalypse (Score:1)
The Devil gets ethernet. (you know he'll be on AOL)
Re:Another sign of the Apocalypse (Score:2)
Where else do you think spam originates?
Jouster
Radio interview about this (Score:1, Informative)
http://www.boog.co.uk/media/wireless-oil.mp3 [boog.co.uk]
Re:Radio interview about this (Score:1)
Re:Radio interview about this (Score:2)
They crack up laughing at the end.
Not to mention my favorite part of the "interview": "C.U.M.W.A.D. - Commications Under Mud Wireless Access Device".
By the way, it's only one guy, running his voice through EAX Pitch +/-, from the sound of it.
Jouster
Re:Radio interview about this (Score:1)
I always believed that sysadmin was a dirty job... (Score:1)
Hey, get of your chair and go check that mudpit over there, we are been having some blackouts for the last five minutes...
I am going to implement this on monday (Score:2, Funny)
I am going to get away with it because I will link this article in an email to engineering discussing how this will avoid the plenum/firecode problem with UTP. I will send a second email to accounting discussing the massive ROI on using mud over expensive cabling projects.
The the only part that will be better than watching their email open for two hours will be watching them cry about having to process my raise and promotion! This is the first Monday I have looked forward to in a LONG time, THANKS
Spend less on Fossil Fuels more on Alternatives OT (Score:2, Interesting)
While I'm ranting. If western nations had have spent some of the money they used to design and build weapons to protect foriegn oil interests on renewable energy solutions instead; couldn't much of the middle east situation have been avoided?
Whacko extremists (Score:1, Insightful)
As if the DOE had a budget of X dollars and was required to spend all of X on drilling tech or all of X on alternative fuels tech.
The reality is that the budget is just that... a budget. Some money goes to oil tech, some money goes to a variety of alternative energy tech, and the rest goes into the vast sink hole of spending that is the federal beaurocracy.
Thank you for reading this far into my diatribe about the stupid and ignorant people of the world and how they managed to get on the net.
Re:Spend less on Fossil Fuels more on Alternatives (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Spend less on Fossil Fuels more on Alternatives (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Spend less on Fossil Fuels more on Alternatives (Score:1)
Stating that the war was fought to keep prices high is so incredibly obtuse, I can't even begin to figure out where you're coming from with that statement unless its a paranoid deduction that Bush made money on oil=Bush must wage war to keep oil prices high.
Oh and alternative energy sources are on their way... for now though keeping oil flowing smoothly seems to be a good thing. Keeps your car going and the power station in Lagos humming.
does that mean--free networking hardware? (Score:2)
It's wonderful that the DOE pays for networking for needy companies. Is the DOE also going to fund my upgrade to 802.11a? I really need something faster than I have right now.
Good God! (Score:5, Funny)
~Philly
This might put an end to those complaints... (Score:2, Funny)
is DOE the marketing dept of this company? (Score:2)
"The IntelliPipe is one of the most remarkable advances in drilling technology in the last 25 years," Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said. "President Bush, in the National Energy Policy, directed me to pursue advanced technology in energy production. I think the IntelliPipe is exactly the type of technology we need to move our domestic production capabilities into the next century."
That sounds like it's fresh out from the TV shop.
Pretty cool problem. (Score:2)
With a little rework, existing pipes could be make to be "intelligent" like this too. You could, for instance, drop a small inductive "washer" at each of the joints and drop the cable in through the pipe. You'd only need to drill a small hole at each end of the pipe to make the connection between the washer and cable inside. I know that this is over-simplifying the situation, but my guess is that existing pipes could be reworked for perhaps $200 per segment in quantity.
Scientist are now hard at work (Score:2)
Big deal.. (Score:1, Funny)
So what if it smells like shit and it's outside, it's still better than routing all those pesky cat 5 cables.
I'll admit that sometimes we get some bad throughput so we have to feed Big Joe some beans to get the system going again.
more power to the east! (Score:1)
[1] insert evil cackle
[2] i have not researched this, but i know for a fact my house isnt made of much mud
Elbonia (Score:1, Funny)
That's all, huh? (Score:2)
ObBadJoke (Score:2)
Cool (Score:1)
Kind of interesting when you are dealing with trying to decode data where you get 10-50psi pulses (maybe lasting around
Brian Macy
It's not just about oil (Score:2, Interesting)
Most of you don't realize it, but this type of drilling is used all over the place now for all kinds of things. The largest use other than the oil industry is for drilling underneath things (anything, roads, buildings, ship channels, etc) so that cabling, or really damn near anything requiring a hole in the ground can be laid without destruction to the overlying structure. In the early 90's, my dad participated in a project to raise a half-sunken ship from the bottom of a Danish port. They drilled horizontally under the ground beneath the ship, and ran metal cabling underneath it. The cabling was attached to barges on either side of the ship. They pulled apart and raised it off the ocean floor.
great news - when can we see it in the field? (Score:1)
Current downhole technology (LWD - logging while drilling - allows us to see directional information, formeation resisitivity - a function of porosity and pore fluid properties - ie oil & gas not conductive - brine conductive, we routinely use Gamma ray radioactivity for correlation purposes - stratigraphy, and when the drillers let us we run nuclear tools that read directly formation density and porosity - of course these numbers are messed up by the thing (hydrocarbons) we are looking for - lots of computers required to sort out the nuances. Newer technology is allowing us to see Array sonic (like seismic data), CMR technology - a great way to see fluid properties. With all this band width we would be able to evaluate a hole sooner, better (less drilling fluid invasion into the reservoir), and improve reservoir and field development starting from the exploration wells, something that many companies are trying to do right now, as expenses for drilling in hostile environments can be huge - just go and hire a deepwater semi-submersible drilling rig for a month or two, then add all the other essential services for finding and producing the black stuff. As time goes on, it just gets more expensive and more challenging to find - and also a lot more interesting, thats why I love my job! - well mostly
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This technology does NOT use mud. The OLD tech did (Score:3, Informative)
To quote from the article: Thanx, thebigmacd
My dad is glad about this (Score:1)
Ho Hum (Score:1)
Last Post! (Score:1)
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shining example.
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Hunh? (Score:2, Informative)
Resonant materials stop the signal in it's tracks.
2.4 GHZ is almost useless at penetrating brick and trees. It requires true line of sight. 900Mhz is far better at penetrating these things than 2.4Ghz is.
Dense wood full of water (trees) or brick / concrete walls are the enemy of 2.4Ghz.
2.4Ghz was chosen because the band was there, and the higher frequency allowed greater data transmission than 900Mhz. For penetration of our everyday living space, 2.4Ghz is relatively shitty.
Re:Hunh? Does that trolling hook? (Score:2)
(Those rig workers are going to need to be careful with that 1 megawatt transmitter in the 2GHz range.)
HYaha.. (Score:1)
I'm not fully awake yet. Argh.
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:1)
2. Resonance kills signals dead in its tracks (that's how faraday's cages work).
3. If it were possible, it would have been thought of and implimented already.
4. Nice troll.
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:2)
Water does have resonances, but at much higher frequencies. There's a moderate water vapor resonance at 22 GHz and a much stronger one at 183 GHz.
Water is a polar molecule, so an alternating electric field at any frequency will tend to jerk it around and heat it up. In the low microwave range, the higher the frequency the more effectively water absorbs RF, which is why Ku-band satellites at 11-12 GHz are more affected by rain than C-band satellites at 4 GHz. So 2.4 GHz is actually less affected by water than many higher frequencies used for communications through the atmosphere.
So why not use the actual water resonance frequencies in microwave ovens? One, tradition: 2.4 GHz is an FCC allocation for Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) devices, including ovens. Two, 2.4 GHz magnetrons are cheap and reasonably efficient. Three, higher frequencies would be harder to contain; seals, seams, screen holes and the like would be proportionately larger at higher frequencies. Four, you don't want to use a resonant frequency, as that would only heat the outer layer of the food, leaving the inside cold and raw!
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:5, Informative)
High-frequency RF does not penetrate earth very well.
2.4GHz signals, in particular, are very trouble-prone in this application, as water converts it to heat more efficiently than any other frequency. Drilling is a very wet operation.
Hint: this is why your microwave operates at 2.4GHz, and why the band is unlicensed. Because it is so readily absorbed by masonry, trees, and other relatively wet objects, it was deemed (at least a few years ago) relatively unsuitable for serious communications and kept from being sold commercially since the beginning of time.
Have you never driven through a tunnel with the radio on, or while using a cell phone? FM radio is down near 100MHz, well into the range of relatively slow data transfer.
You need VLF radio to get through that much solid crap, and once you do that, you're back into the slothly realm of measuring things in bits per minute.
'sides, aiming a 1-megaWatt microwave oven down a drill pipe would not make their already-existing heat problems any better...
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:2, Informative)
some drilling operations use water, but all of the rigs i've worked on switched over to invert (an oil-based drilling mud) once they got past the water table. see table 1 of this pdf [oilandgas.org.uk] (p 14 of the pdf, p 9 of the printout), which compares oil-based muds and water-based muds. with OBMs, you couldn't have more than 0.6% water.
how well does paraffin or diesel block 2.4GHz?
i admit, i've only burned shovel on rigs in western and northern alberta, and not for a few years, either. perhaps water-based drilling is more popular in other places. i sense a geology/geography lesson impending...?
the only fun part about it i remember was excavating the flare pits at the start of each hole. and telling greenhorns to get me two joints.
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:2)
I don't have any paraffin or diesel here, but if you do, try this quick-and-dirty experiment to measure 2.4GHz RF absorbtion:
Put a container of it in the microwave. Does it get hot? If so, how does the temperature compare to an equal amount of water in a similar container, in the same spot of the oven, after being nuked for the same amount of time?
Therein lies a rough answer to your question, though it does a ignore number of possibly important factors, such as reflection and refraction of the signals and probably a slew of others that few people outside the realm of microwave engineering really know about.
As long as you realize that your findings are based on absorbtion alone, you'll be doing fine. There's probably a proper method to quantify it with, with a proper, capitalized Unit to go along with it, if you feel like being really anal about it.
Now that I'm thinking about it more:
If the results turn out to be negative (as in, no substantial heating occurs), it might be interesting to ponder using the metal pipe as a waveguide. Such a transmission system would be incredibly efficient, but would place constraints on the type of joint used, and the length of the pipe segments would have to be precise, corresponding to some factor of the wavelength of the signal in whatever medium ends up filling the pipe.
Re:Something like 2.4GHz would work a treat (Score:2)
Wireless (including radio frequencies) sucks in electrically busy areas.
If your fiber optics are sucking up interference, dear god, sue the vendor for substituting a cotton string for fiber optics. Fiber is immune to non-spliced-in interference, and single-mode fiber is all but un-fuck-with-able.
Jouster
Tacoma Narrows Bridge (Score:1)
it's often used to help those in the drill units under the earth to communicate with those above)
- I'm not even bothering with this one...
The benefit of higher frequencies is that they travel in straight lines
- This is apposed to, say, those low frequency waves that like to travel at right angles, right?
This is why 2.4Ghz wireless has become popular. 2.4Ghz was chosen for wireless networking because the frequency is the same as the resonance of trees and bricks,
- Lovely thought. So you're saying all our forests are going to turn into the Tacoma Narrows Bridge [stkate.edu]? After all, that is what happens when you hit an objects resonate frequency.
antenna at the drill cage is secure, and then point a high powered (say 1MW) transmitter down towards the ground, and et voila..
- Hrmmm, metallic cages... hmmm, Faraday Cages [wolfram.com]. Yup, that'll help signal reception!
- 1 mw is high power you say? Damn, my old brick cellphone should be able to reach Istanbul!
I'm surprised a big networking company like Novell or nVidia hasn't jumped on to this and started to produce expensive proprietary gear for the rich oil companies to buy
- nVidia is doing networks now? Won't they be surprised! Man, ATI will be ticked.
Either way, wireless (radio) is the way to go when sending a signal through an electrically busy area. This is why wireless networking is popular in power stations, since fiber optics tend to suck up too much interference.
- Hahhaa, I'm just laughing to hard at this one.
You know, if you are going to troll, at least make it plausible.
Re:Tacoma Narrows Bridge (Score:2, Informative)
You DO know that MW is not mW, right?
Heh. Big difference between mega and milli.
You get her sister (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe take her to a movie and dinner....