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Tornado in a Can 383

geyser writes "What stuff matters more than a device that can tear things apart? Frank Polifka has a patent on his Windhexe device that creates a tornado force wind. Besides pulverizing concrete, it can pulverize small objects including jelly fish, and chicken feet without destroying the organic compounds. The chickens don't like it. Is this really a prototype Quake weapon? I could only find newspaper articles about the device. Has anyone seen it in action and can you give us a first hand report?"
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Tornado in a Can

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:40PM (#4864639)
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    " Whether there are vast riches to be made from pulverizing chicken poop or poultry parts into powder remains to be seen. The trick will be whether the machine can transform the various substances into products worth more than the processing costs."

    Sounds like he's trying to kick up a real shitstorm.
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    • Actually (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Flamesplash ( 469287 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:47PM (#4864709) Homepage Journal
      Sounds like a good way to reduce land fill space. Just pulverize everything to the molecular level shake and let settle.
      • Sounds like a good way to reduce land fill space. Just pulverize everything to the molecular level shake and let settle.

        Two reasons that would be really stupid: first, the amount of energy it would take is enormous. The energy is probably coming from a fossil-fuel power plant, so you're contributing to CO2 emissions.

        Second, breaking up the organic material in the landfill would speed up biological activity (more surface area for the bacteria to grow on), leading to a huge increase in methane production in the short term (methane is also a greenhouse gas). I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such a landfill with a lit cigarette...

    • Hmmm. Who really wants more mechanically reclaimed meat in their food? I know it's not a new thing (soups did the same job in the past), but is getting food out of every last chicken molecule neccessary? Hot Dogs are bad enough as it is.

      Don't even get me started on the contents of haggis!

  • by ekrout ( 139379 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:41PM (#4864650) Journal
    IDE hard drive!

    (No, seriously. The warranties are for, like, 2 years now. They slowly spin themselves apart until the data is nonsense.)
  • by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:42PM (#4864657) Journal
    I'm sure this is cool, but that doesn't exactly fill my heart with fear.
  • Seen it in action?

    HAHAHA, the damn thing takes care of human feet just as well as chickens. And I thought it was just s snake-in-a-can joke. Damn toys
  • At last! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Cutriss ( 262920 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:44PM (#4864680) Homepage
    Finally! Something we can use to fight off Casanova Frankenstein and Captain Amazing! [imdb.com] Was it designed by Dr. Heller?
  • by User 956 ( 568564 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:45PM (#4864696) Homepage
    With great tornado in a can comes great responsibility.
  • by ekrout ( 139379 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:46PM (#4864706) Journal
    It's for Apparatus and method for circular vortex air flow material grinding.

    It's dated March 7, 2002 and the applicant is listed as Polifka, Francis D..

    You can read it at http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=P TO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.h tml&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Polifka&OS=Poli fka&RS=Polifka [uspto.gov]
  • by craenor ( 623901 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:47PM (#4864710) Homepage
    somehow found their way to local trailer parks, resulting in total devastation when they were mistaken for cans of beer.
  • Just what I need to get my little nephews for christmas... forget the plastic helicopter.. or maybe they can fly it thru their own tornado...

    Now that will ROCK!!!

  • by dethl ( 626353 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:48PM (#4864725)
    To test their theory, the Vortex folks have thrown in rocks, diapers, tomatoes, sweet potato rejects from the farm down the road, 400 pounds of Oreo cookies, frozen pizza dough, even a dead bird.

    Damn...what a waste of Oreo's :(
  • ... at least that's what it sounds like.
  • No PHBs... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Cap'n Canuck ( 622106 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:51PM (#4864746)
    So when a grain buyer came to Polifka and asked him to design a portable machine to mill grain, Polifka started tinkering around in his workshop on the farm. He has a high school diploma and a certificate from diesel engine school, but he's been dreaming up machines for most of his life. Over the years, he's invented everything from an industrial-strength mulcher to a vehicle to carry implements around the farm.

    Even so, it took him 15 years to make a tornado in a can that he was satisfied with. And though physicists and engineers are at a loss as to how exactly it works, he's happy to explain how he made it.


    It sounds like this guy is about as far removed from shedules and deadlines as anyone I have ever seen....
  • by TedTschopp ( 244839 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:52PM (#4864763) Homepage
    This again proves that it's not a degree or an education, but thinking outside the box that will move technology forward.

  • by pyros ( 61399 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:53PM (#4864769) Journal
    I want a blamethrower.
  • Can anyone confirm this? washingtonpost.com is not yellow press of course... but... anyone find that strange? :

    Engineers shut it down and quickly huddle, mulling over a complex mathematical solution they think might help them fix the noise.
    But Polifka, a stocky man with a snow-white beard and twinkling eyes, just opens the machine, grabs a broom handle and pokes at a flap of metal inside the cone. The adjustment made, he shuts the machine and starts it again. The noise is gone.

    He sounds like Santaclause... and a magician.

    • Looks like it was presented at the Watershed Heroes Field Training Workshop and Conference in Amana, Iowa in April of 2001 also.
      [fb.com]
      http://www.fb.com/programs/waterheroes/2001/upda te 2-2001.pdf
  • by YAN3D ( 552691 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:53PM (#4864781)

    "Each year, the U.S. poultry industry generates about 4 million tons of blood, feathers, heads, feet and entrails, including some 300,000 tons on the Delmarva Peninsula."

    I thought they had this problem licked with the advent of the chicken McNugget.

    "Running that material through a drier and then through Polifka's machine could produce a powder form of those poultry byproducts that could be sold as a flavoring"

    Geek #1:"Mmmmm,these Gorditas are wonderful!!"
    Geek #2:"Yeah, but they could use a little more chicken back if you ask me."
  • Inventor: "As you can see, it sucks and it cuts!"

    Wayne: "Well, it definitely does suck"

    Wait 'til the military gets this one.

  • "I expect to see this in the future. The question is how quickly it's going to get to the future."
    What the hell does that mean? Mass shipping to an alternate universe so that the future may benefit from this wonder of science? Does it get it's power from a flux capacitor?
  • by nochops ( 522181 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:54PM (#4864792)
    Tornado in a can?

    It looks to me like a tornado in a room. Judging by that picture, this will work great as a prototype Quake weapon. You just have to tell your enemy "OK, now sit right here under this blue cone looking thing, while I pulverize you".

    Not exactly portable is it?
  • by teamhasnoi ( 554944 ) <teamhasnoi@[ ]oo.com ['yah' in gap]> on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:56PM (#4864802) Journal
    To test their theory, the Vortex folks have thrown in rocks, diapers, tomatoes, sweet potato rejects from the farm down the road, 400 pounds of Oreo cookies, frozen pizza dough, even a dead bird.

    I think I'll pass on the company pizza party.

  • Can't wait to use this on my friends.
  • Vacuum cleaners (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Funkitup ( 260923 )
    It sounds a bit like James Dyson's vacuum cleaner.
    http://www.dyson.co.uk/ [dyson.co.uk].

    One shudders to think what teenage boys might get up to with it ;o)
  • by Ektanoor ( 9949 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @02:57PM (#4864822) Journal
    The BOfH seats at his desk... Calmly plays another party of Quake... Someone rings the door bell.

    Who's there? - says the BOfH with some irritation that someone messed with his chance to break his 1374th frag record.

    Oh, this is department XXX. You have a problem, the network doesn't work.

    Couldn't you say that by the phone?..

    Oh, well. We could but it was busy and we thought it was a lot easier to talk to you directly...

    Well, come in... - The BOfH presses the button and the door opens...

    Ooops sorry what is this funny small dark room here?

    Oh, well. That's a small hall to avoid noises and dust coming up here. We have some sensitive equipement here... Just close the outdoor so I can open the inner door...

    Oh, cool. Yeah, you amy be right, you have quite a dusty corridor just outside, you kn.. BAHM! FRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

    A bunch of dust flows over the corridor, the BOfH calmly concludes: "No person, no problem... back to the game..."
  • by bobdotorg ( 598873 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:00PM (#4864853)
    Anyone else see this as Windh.exe?

    Some nasty trojan that's a tornado for your HD?
  • Soylent Green (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nefrayu ( 601593 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:03PM (#4864883) Homepage
    Running that material through a drier and then through Polifka's machine could produce a powder form of those poultry byproducts that could be sold as a flavoring or nutritious additive to pet foods or fertilizers, Winsness thought.
    "The single most important quality of the tornado in a can is whatever goes into it comes out with its nutritional value," he said. "You can get four times the price of nonedible waste."

    With the population growth being what it is and the cost of burial plots skyrocketing, how long before Soylent Green is a reality???
  • by moosemoose ( 620072 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:04PM (#4864889)
    can it separate out the ruby slippers leaving nothing but nutritious dorthoryfeed for my monkeys?

  • gah! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Triv ( 181010 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:04PM (#4864894) Journal
    From the patent [uspto.gov]:

    (b) a lower enclosure disposed below and in a tandem arrangement with said upper enclosure, said lower enclosure including a lower annular sidewall having a substantially inverted conical configuration and open upper and lower ends and defining a lower interior chamber, said lower annular sidewall of said lower enclosure being mounted at said open upper end thereof to said upper annular sidewall at said open lower end of said upper enclosure such that said lower annular sidewall and lower interior chamber of said lower enclosure are substantially continuous and in flow communication with said upper annular sidewall and upper interior chamber of said upper enclosure...

    Ok, one, that's one sentence, and two, the word "said" appears there 11 times. I felt like I was listening to "Einstein on the beach" again.

    But apart from that, it (and the rest of the patents) describes the thing, and it's not a tornado gun like most of y'all are hypothesizing. It's...well, it's basically a wind-powered coffee grinder - no blades, just wind. So you can forget about pointing it at someone and watching their molecules randomly rearrange themselves, k? ;)

    Triv
  • by WPIDalamar ( 122110 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:06PM (#4864914) Homepage
    before reading the story, I was picturing chickens running away as their feet were pulverized by sadistic farmers with tornado guns. Glad to hear that's not the case!
  • More info (Score:4, Informative)

    by Adam9 ( 93947 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:06PM (#4864915) Journal
    Oh the power of google and the wayback machine combined!

    Polifka's webpage for the Windhexe [archive.org]
  • by _Sambo ( 153114 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:07PM (#4864930)
    Business Idea for the Tornado-in-a-can guy:

    Does the thought of being burned like yesteryear's garbage after you die curl your toes?

    With the new Tornadoom swirly treatment you can be pulverized into ashes without the messy, smoking, hellish addition of flame.

    Remember the first time a bully flushed your head in the mens room in Jr. High? Well now you can go out in full geek colors. The Tornadoom is like a permanent swirly that lasts forever. Make your shame of the past an eternal badge of honor.

    Reduce the cost of burial to your family. For only $12/hr in electrical costs, you can be ground into dry powder. You can then be used to fertalize the garden, be a pet-food additive, or achieve any one of several higher self-fulfilling goals.

    When you go to your funeral director to plan for that ever-coming day of doom, ask for Tornadoom!
  • by ckokotay ( 206080 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:08PM (#4864942)
    Things such as this are what the patent system was designed for. This is a legitimate 'new' device that performs a 'new' function that was previously unavailable - and it deserves a patent.

    Of course, someone will hook it up to a computer and obtain a new patent for 'Method of using a tornado in a can with a computer'

    Oh well, something may never change.

  • That's nothing. You should see my dad after a a coupla burritos. Talk about unholy destructive power...
  • What is going on (Score:5, Informative)

    by panurge ( 573432 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:11PM (#4864975)
    I'm going to be all serious and try and put together a sensible post about this thing.

    First of all, vortex technology is quite respectable nowadays. As well as the Dyson cleaner, which gets more effective with each generation, there is the work on vortex particulate removers for Diesel engines and powder paint shops. The basic principle seems to be that the air is made to spiral down the vortex chamber in ever narrowing circles. As it does so, its angular velocity increases so that particulates experience an increasing force which carries them to the vortex walls.

    Now, in a conventional vortex cleaner, you want non-turbulent flow to keep those particles going in the right direction. But what if the flow becomes turbulent? As it breaks up you would have small localised regions of extremely high turbulence in an environment of increasing angular momentum - so that instead of having a turbulent flow of air scrubbing a single surface, you could have lots of small turbulent flows in three dimensions. That sounds like a pretty effective way of abrading things with a soft medium that would do what is claimed.

    So why does the Post talk about scientists being baffled? Well, as a 2c worth, perhaps it's because they have to talk up the story and perhaps it's because the journo didn't know the difference between a vortex chamber and a plate of gefulte fish and wanted to report that everybody else stood around looking stupid too. (In view of the Dow Jones case decision in Australia perhaps I should add this is just my personal opinion, wild speculations, journalists are all genius saviours of mankind etc.)

    Perhaps the next Dyson cleaner will not just pick up the dust but act as a dry waste disposal unit as well. Or perhaps not.


  • ...this Wierding Module is much too large! How ever will the faithful be able to overrun the Harkonnen with such a clumsy weapon?

    • by mfago ( 514801 )
      There _is_ no "wierding module."

      May David Lynch be cursed forever for adding such a stupid concept to an otherwise awesome movie. That, and the damn rain at the end.
  • Finally! (Score:3, Funny)

    by superdan2k ( 135614 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:14PM (#4865002) Homepage Journal
    A great way for the Children of the Corn to dispose of the bodies!

  • And much of the 300 million tons of shells produced by laying hens each year is worked into the soil.

    They could have left out the details...
  • A certain group of superfriends, no wait, superdudes, no wait, Mystery Men, have already used it against Cassanova Frankenstein. It seemed to work pretty damn well against him. Completely non-lethal. It was actually invented by Dr. Heller. I wonder if Dr. Heller has a patent on it, or if he's been too busy with "the ladies"...?
  • by subgeek ( 263292 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:15PM (#4865016) Homepage Journal
    what exactly is a cone-shaped cylinder? is it related to the pyramid-shaped cube?
  • CAUTION (Score:4, Funny)

    by erveek ( 92896 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:17PM (#4865027)
    Not effective on road-runners.

  • Sorry, blatantly stolen from Charleton Heston......
  • Big deal, you ain't seen destruction until you've seen one of our shop's daily tempests in a teapot.
  • by djcatnip ( 551428 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:27PM (#4865141) Homepage Journal
    Besides pulverizing concrete, it can pulverize small objects including jelly fish, and chicken feet without destroying the organic compounds. The chickens don't like it.

    What, the jellyfish do??
  • by Feint ( 135854 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:29PM (#4865167) Homepage
    And you wonder what they put in your food.. Oh boy! a powdered chicken head and feet milkshake! And it's nutritious too!

    You know some guy down at the sewer treatment plant is saying "hey Larry.. I'll bet I could convince someone that its food.."

    I think it's about time I start shopping at the farmer's market...
  • DISEASE VECTOR!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ashurnasipal ( 589537 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:37PM (#4865252)
    Ya know, a friend of mine died of Jakob-Kreutzfeld disease not too long ago.

    It's supposed that he got it from eating beef contaminated by BSE, Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, which is a prion disease spread through the industry practice of feeding butcher's waste to cattle.

    Cannibalism is bad, people. Ref. Oliver Sach's description of diseases among the descendants of cannibals. It's an unhealthy feedback loop, that optimizes disease organisms.

    So, the poultry farmers have already spread salmonella through the entire US chicken industry with their unsound practices, now they want to do it better, cheaper, faster.

    So much for chicken soup as health food.
  • Want a ride in my uhm... Rocket Ship??!??!!! Only $12/hour!
  • by sawilson ( 317999 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:40PM (#4865279) Homepage
    What a great way to get rid of dead bodies!
  • Yech... (Score:2, Funny)

    by HedRat ( 613308 )
    Hubby: Honey, will you pass the chicken feet flavored, pulverized jellyfish powder?

    Wife: With or without egg membranes?
  • This would be pretty scary if it could separate uranium isotopes.

    Going from a ton of yellocake to a few grams of u235 is an EXPENSIVE, slow process.

    Now if you could do it for 12$/hr, and without using all the export controlled machinery

  • by Wireless Joe ( 604314 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @03:56PM (#4865431) Homepage
    Good luck to this guy with defending his patent. A cursory search found prior art here [yesmag.bc.ca].
  • by Eusebo ( 24544 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @04:03PM (#4865505)
    I'm thinking this thing would be a great replacement for the woodchipper..
  • by greebly ( 133856 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @04:06PM (#4865529) Homepage
    Put your old printed circuit boards in here and pulverize away! You could reclaim copper and gold EASILY from this contraption, and reduce the remainder to a fine powder. You could probably refine even that at a later point.

    Think of it! Go down to the corner Tornado-in-a-can and feed it your old motherboard, monitor, TV, anything! Its a geek dream: pulverize something to tiny bits, recycle useable hardware, get some money back at the same time!
  • Prior Art? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Bagheera ( 71311 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @04:33PM (#4865797) Homepage Journal
    Strange as it seems, I remember reading about a WWII German Aiti-Aircraft weapon that was strangely similar to this. Supposedly, it could generate vortecies powerful enough to make an aircraft uncontrollable in flight and in some cases break up. As I remember, it never had the range they wanted (tens, rather than thousands, of meters) and was never deployed operationally.

    Looks like another 50-year-old technology has found a use doing something it wasn't originally designed for.

  • by cats-paw ( 34890 ) on Wednesday December 11, 2002 @05:40PM (#4866483) Homepage
    The plasma torch has a better potential of destroying
    dangerous compounds and generating energy at the
    same time.

    It's really interesting stuff.

    http://gtalumni.org/StayInformed/magazine/sum02/ ar ticle2.html

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