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ThatKidYouDid writes "Wired.com is holding a vote for this years best
vaporware. My vote definitely goes to the oqo, although I'd still snag one if they ever materialized. What do others really wish could have happened by Xmas?"
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It's quite real, I assure you. We have a test server running it right now. Not sure what the timeline for the rest of teh beta is, but it is finished and in testing.
"As in previous years, software locked in the pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."
I would have really liked to see UO ship, or at least release the source... instead of basically firing everyone and burning most of the work for no good reason..
...I have a thing against people using acronyms that are not common knowledge. After forgiving my ignorance, can you please tell me exactly what UO is?
I remember when the GeForce 3 came out, and it was supposed to be THE card to run Doom III. Now it's looking like it won't be even close to powerfull enough.
While we all know that Doom III will be out eventually, I would say that it's been delayed enough to be considered vapourware.
At least we know from the leaked alpha that the game will ROCK:-)
What? Doom III isn't delayed, is it? It's supposed to be out "when it's done". I'd vote, as always, for Daikatana. No, just kidding. That'd be Duke Nukem Forever.
At least we know from the leaked alpha that the game will ROCK:-)
If you've played the alpha and it rocks, and you're sure that it will rock when it comes out... how exactly is it vaporware?
I've had the pleasure of seeing the DOOM 3 theater presentation at QuakeCon 2002, and I can assure you that DOOM 3 is no where near vaporware. It's just so advanced that it's taking a slightly longer development cycle than your typical derived engined game.
I would probably guess that it's more finished than unfinished at this point. (entirely speculation) And Todd Hollenshead did joke with the crowd at QCon that id wasn't in the habit of showing preview versions of the same game year after year at E3.
"If you've played the alpha and it rocks, and you're sure that it will rock when it comes out... how exactly is it vaporware?"..... again RTFM
"As in previous years, software locked in the pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."
if it counts for.NET server... it counts for Doom III
and with the paragraph preceeding the one I quoted... sounds like Doom III should be in the top ten.
If there is a piece of vaporware to rule them all it is Team Fortress 2. Check out the website http://tf2.sierra.com. The last time the news on the site was updated was Jan 23, 2001!!! The game has been in the works since 1998!! According to all the official websites TF2 is still in developement/coming soon. Neither Sierra nor Valve has reported that the game is dead. Some version of the game was even demo'd once or twice, which means it was SOMETHING.
I actually did some sound effects work for this back when it was originally slated to be a Quake 2 mod by the TF team (before they all joined on with Valve). You can actually still download the MP3 [planetfortress.com] of the sounds all put together, made to sound like one huge battle.
Once they got bought out by Valve, I got paid for the work I did and that was the last I saw/heard about the game really. Looking back at it now though, I hope they really don't use my old sounds, as they're quite dated and admitedly amateur.
At one point, while I was working on the last version [planetfortress.com] of TF released for QuakeWorld (remember that?), Robin of TF had me take a look at a first run of TF2 for Quake2. I actually think I have that still laying around here on an old CD somewhere.
I mean really, it's right there in the title. How long is it going to be in development? Forever. They've discovered the one, true way to make a computer game, an otherwise ephemeral undertaking, an eternal classic. Never release and never release often.
Truth in advertising. Frankly it's a refreshing change from the usual hype surrounding unreleased titles.
the idea that the music industry would get with the program and market a huge selection of unrestricted quality digital music files online at a reasonable price. Oops sorry, that's snake oil.
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Saturday December 21, 2002 @10:47PM (#4938899)
Remember Zeosync made that huge fuss claiming 100:1 compression on random data?
Many news agencies like Reuters ran with it and as usual Shanon proved them wrong (try www.zeosync.com hehe)
If only they had read the newsgroup compression FAQ they would have saved time and all that investor money (they had over $10 million at one point I believe).
Anyhow I thought that was the best vaporware... if only it could have been true;(
I actually submitted this one to Wired last week when they originally posted the request for submissions.
Those fuckwits at Quark have been pissing on their customers for years, and now they're making my life harder because I have to deal with supporting the Classic environment instead of being able to make a clean break to OS X.
I've heard that this way-overdue version of XPress has been the final straw for many of Quark's customers, and they're finally dropping XPress for Adobe InDesign. Quark's customer-hostility has done more to sell copies of InDesign than anything dreamed up by the folks in Marketing at Adobe.
While vaporware is generally thought of as software, what about hardware? I'd say AMD's Hammer not coming out this year was the biggest vaporware of the year.
They stated that they'd have linux support ASAP. But with the recent events I wonder if they even knew what they were talking about. My gut feeling is that they stated linux support just to generate PR.
I don't mean to sound ungrateful, nor do I want to sound 'mean' in anyway. But this has become one of those I'll believe it when I see it sort things
... a RMS approved completely free operating system with nothing but GNU tools/kernel/etc.
... an actual gaming system based on linux.
... a crash proof secure windows distro.
... peace on earth
so many to choose from... so so many. I know HURD will never reach full developement (no one will dump linux to do something new), 3D in linux sucks hence why there are no games for linux, crash proof windows that is secure (MS always promises and always fails horribly, and well peace on earth and good will towards men (not so long as we got a war mongers running america...)
I wonder how well the geek-virgin stereotype holds up to the myth, or if it just gets thrown around because we like to poke fun at ourselves. I'd like to see this slashdot poll:
Are you a virgin?
Yes
No
I'm keeping my virginty for Cowboy Neal you insensitve cold!
Silicon Film Technologies [siliconfilm.com] should be on there, hands down. They won in 2000 or so. You'd think after two more years they'd find a way to make this work.
It's vapor, but it could be the road to digital for people with high-quality 35mm SLR cameras. Everyone wants to go digital for the convenience, the instant feedback on the shot, the uh, privacy of not going through a photo lab, etc. There must be over a million people with SLR's of higher optical quality than most of today's point-and-shoot digitals.
In fact, I can't imagine why this hasn't flown. I don't think anyone else has beaten them to the punch, and it seems technically feasible. Maybe they can't get the sensor thin enough to close the camera back?
Slashdot's Radio section! No update since June 29th!
Awhile back I posted (the/. search? Does that box DO anything?) a good use for it - review new music and bands (RIAA free!?) and links to free mp3 downloads.
Perhaps we can teach a old dead dog new tricks...I sure would like to hear what other/.ers are listening to.
Yeah, it's made the list before, but it deserves to be on there again. We've been waiting for this game since:
- Clinton was president.
- The Spice Girls were popular.
- Princess Diana was alive.
- Tony Soprano was a twinkle in David Chase's eye.
- Yahoo was a good search engine.
- The X-Files was on, and it was worth watching.
It's been a long, long time since Duke Nukem Forever was announced. 3DRealms should get an award for most vapourous software ever.
Knuth is a guy who likes to plan ahead. On his web site [stanford.edu] he states that Volume 4 (of The Art Of Computer Programming) will be ready in 2007, and Vol. 5 will be published in 2009. He then goes on to describe how he plans to rewrite Vols. 1-3 after he finishes 5. Finally after that, "God willing" he says, he plans to write Vol. 6 (context-free languages) and Vol. 7 (Compiler Techniques.) We're talking probably 10-20 years into the future here, certainly what I'd call long-term planning.
We keep hearing about technologies for making low-cost, large flat panel displays. But either they don't work, or they don't stay cheap if made large.
There's been talk for years about "printing transistors", "organic light emitting diodes", "E-Ink", and similar concepts. So far, none of these technologies have progressed beyond the prototype or tiny screen level.
Since the market for this technology would be huge (all TV sets, for starters) if it worked and was cheaper than CRTs, it's the premiere vaporware technology. Nothing else actually promoted as Real Soon Now has similar volume potential.
The all-time best vaporware, IMHO, is fusion power. In 1950, the experts were saying that we would have self-sustained, controlled fusion reactions on Earth within 50 years. 50 years later, the new deadline is 2050. Curious, isn't it?
How long has it been sice AOL bought out ICQ, yet we still have both ICQ #'s and AOL login names, and still a seperate messenger for each? How long will it be before these two finally become one, never mind having a single, unified messaging format that we can all use without having to either install one special client to handle all the different servers (i.e., Everybuddy, Trillian, etc.), or run seperate clients for each? ANd I'm not talking about something like Jabber.
It should be noted that out of the 10 items listed by Wired for the 2001 Vaporware list, the following have materialized:
* 3G wireless networks (Although not what we were promised. I have a 3G phone from sprint, but cannot do things like video on demand) * Photoshop for OS X * Warcraft III * Duke Nukem Forever
The reason your Sprint "3G" phone can't handle 3G features like video is that it isn't 3G. Sprint is using interim technology that the rest of the world refers to a "2.5G" - it offers some of the features of 3G while still building on a second generation base. Since 3G has been hyped so much, Sprint just decided to piggyback their inferior technology by calling it 3G.
I met with the oqo guys at the last Pocket PC Summit (in Hollywood at the end of October). They let me play with their device and it was pretty neat. After some small talk, they let on that the reason we haven't seen these in the consumer market yet is because that isn't their business plan. Their business plan is to get bought up by some large company (Microsoft and Intel were mentioned as potential canditates) and retire. Unfortunately, they forgot to check first on whether or not corresponded with the strategy of any potential buyer. So sadly it appears that while these devices are *real*, we won't be seeing them on store shelves.
Interesting? hardly, it is however getting a wee bit annoying that people are seen as insightful just cause they whine about.Net. If you don't like.Net on techincal merit, fine. If you don't like it cause MS made it, fine. But quit whining about it just because you don't understand it and you're too lazy to pick up some books.
.Net has been compared to most modern languages/runtimes/architectures/strategies in a ".Net is just xxx with yyy!" way, sorry, it is nothing like those. Yes it is similar to J2EE, not Java, J2EE, but not many other things, so please stop the comparisons if you don't know what you're talking about.
99% of their architecture isn't ready, pray tell what that refers to?
I nominate the stampede of users rushing away from Windows to some flavor of Linux. Every other article here is something like, "Company x is installing Linux on xxx,xxx boxes!! Linux is winning! So, how much longer do you think Microsoft will be around?" Yet somehow, this hasn't even begun to happen.
I'm sure we're both going to be moderated as trolls or flamebaits or whatever for this, but it's true. Yet another year has gone by with no sign, not even an inkling, of a suitable Linux-based desktop operating system.
OS X, on the other hand, just keeps getting better, proving that user-friendly yet powerful UNIX is not only possible, but damn profitable.
> not even an inkling, of a suitable Linux-based > desktop operating system. OS X, on the other hand, > just keeps getting better,
I would certainly hope so, since you know, OS X isn't free.
Not that cost is a surefire gauge of quality, but considering most people who use linux haven't paid for anything more than media (ie, cd's) I'd say overall it's doing pretty darn well in what it's accomplished.
If OS X had been introduced to the world the same way Linux had been.. would it have as much to brag about?
In my mind, Mandrake has come close, but who knows how long they will continue to be around.
I don't think the actual software is the big problem. Most things are not too different from the various Windows OSes. The two main issues for the desktop are:
1. Command line fear. Let's face it. As easy as something like "ifup eth0" is, the idea of typing commands scares users. Sometimes, it can almost be more difficult for newbies to navigate a GUI, especially when you get multiple windows open. It would be really cool if there was a shell that understood straight english and was able to execute commands based on them, ex "connect to the internet", "delete file called xxx", etc.
2. Documentation A lot of the documentation for *nix is very good. However, most newbies wouldn't even think to look on the web, much less in on line help. Sort of like the Mandrake Installer, a desktop OS should have help integrated EVERYWHERE, with the option to turn it off once the user is comfortable with the system.
Ehrm, sorry about that. Got a nasty cold right now. (/me wipes germ-filled spittle off my face.)
YMMV, but I think that RedHat 8.0 is really surprisingly usable, though it does take a little bit of tweaking. Unifying the desktops was a brilliant move, Bluecurve is servicable (certainly better than Luna!), and they're working at eliminating the complexity of install and configuration. Now if they would fix that @#$*!!! menu structure (!!Extras!!), reduce the number of separate configuration applets I need to wade through to do darn near *anything*, and reinclude MP3 support. (Licensing schmicensing.)
For that matter, it would be nice if they'd include xine or mplayer (preferably with QT and WMA support), RealPlayer, and Flash for those who gotta get their Flash game fix. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know -- it ain't OSS. While we're wishing, maybe RedHat could fund open-source alternatives?
Still, it's the largest step in the right direction I've seen a distro take. It isn't there yet, but it's closer. Don't knock it.:)
Ditto here! RH 8.0 is nice, and you hit the nail on the head:
Extras? (slaps forehead) So THAT'S where gftp, abiword, tux racer etc. went. What were they thinking? Half of the menu items removed and duplicated under "Extras"?
And although I can't knock them for the.mp3 support, I thought 'Psyche' was surprisingly weak on video tools. Why not include Kino, dvgrab, gscanbus, avifile, mjpegtools, mplayer, etc?
OS X as unix on the desktop may be nice, but has anyone here ever used OS X Server as a server? I think it is really crummy, especially if you are trying to provide services (like authentication, remote home directories, etc) to OS X clients. Most of the Apple proprietary server stuff hardly works at all. Difficult to configure and also poorly documented, in addition to being expensive.
Check out the forums on the Apple website if you don't believe me. Loads of people saying things along the lines of, "I just bought a XServe for my school lab, and it is not working for an unexplained reason." The solution Apple often uses is to deny that the problem even exists.
OS X, on the other hand, just keeps getting better, proving that user-friendly yet powerful UNIX is not only possible, but damn profitable.
However, you can't use it like unix; it and its applications are certainly not unix-like. So it really doensn't matter what's underneath. I use unix because it acts like unix, which is defined by five things in my book:
Dude, I'm a diehard UNIX fan and it's quite easy to use OS X like a UNIX box. The biggest thing to do is to go here [sourceforge.net] and swipe all their packages (esp bash (powerful shell)).
I've done some development on OS X (porting apps from other UNIX platforms to X) and it's very, very easy and very, very UNIX like. Everything I saw was a file. Almost everything I saw were simple text files. There are most definitely fork and exec on OS X. There is a terminal app (although I miss xterm-type three button mouse cut and paste).
The largest hurdle is the damned netinfo database. All the/etc files are there, but they're not used... that SUCKS... but oh well, in my book OS X is worth the adjustment I had to made to deal with netinfo.
That's good to hear. I didn't mean to imply that OS X lacked everything unixy, just that it didn't have enough for my tastes.
BTW, by 'everything is a file' I mean the idea that the interface to most system things are files. E.g.,/dev/sound, network connections, etc. Plan 9 goes even further, having things like the network connection being locatable on the filesystem (/net/tcp/483/in or the like).
Slashdot posters have provided many examples of corporate acceptance of Gnome and KDE, ranging from governments to universities to Canadian national banks. Walmart is shipping systems pre-loaded. Sun adopted a Linux desktop as its standard. Is 'no sign, no inkling' a personal judgement?
I'm sure we're both going to be moderated as trolls or flamebaits or whatever for this, but it's true.
Not to worry, from what I've seen you've never posted a single positive comment on Linux and it hasn't hurt your Karma yet.
I am about to speak for all those of us who use a multimedia Linux desktop now for years, complete with audio, 3D acceleration, DVD, streaming video, full MS Office interoperability and KDE ease-of-use that even our Windows-ing friends comment on with envy...
You're absolutely wrong about Linux. Maybe you're even simple.
I'm very tired of the so-and-so's on Slashdot who keep posting that Linux is unusable without even giving any major distribution a real try. Linux on the desktop rules, I wouldn't use anything else. No, it's not exactly like Windows. In fact, it's better-- faster workflow, more intuitive desktop, better icons and themes, nicer applications, the ability to run Windows applications (under VMWare or Win4Lin) more stably than under Windows... But of course there's no arguing that it's different.
Still, if you can't be bothered to figure out your way around the differences and appreciate the wealth of features and applications that are already there for Linux and that have been putting Windows to shame already for years, it isn't the fault of Linux or the Linux community, it's the fault of you and nobody else. Some have said they don't have the time to figure out the features of Linux. Fine, they don't get to use them. But that doesn't mean they aren't there or that they aren't as usable as those of Windows or Mac OS! Sit a Windows guy down in front of a Mac OS X machine and watch what happens: he's as confused as hell. But nobody is storming around claiming that OS X is bad for the desktop because such claims aren't fashionable.
Justification: I am writing this right now from a multimedia tablet PC running Red Hat Linux and KDE3 with Light.v3 style and the iKons theme. Yes, the touchscreen works wonderfully! Yes, I have handwriting recognition via xscribble! Yes, I'm using all external USB peripherals, including a DVD player which is right now playing "Lola Rennt"! Yes, onboard audio and onboard 3D acceleration work properly! Yes, it makes my friends green with envy!
Halo on PC is not vaporware in comparisson to Halo on the Mac: Mac users have been hearing "Real soon now" from Bungie since 2000, before the Microsoft buyout.
MS .Net Server (Score:3, Funny)
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:2)
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:5, Insightful)
"As in previous years, software locked in the pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:3, Funny)
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:2, Funny)
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:2, Funny)
Re:MS .Net Server (Score:3, Funny)
better to promote free-vaporware than vaporware you're paying for if it's released or not.
Re:MS (Score:5, Funny)
While not 2002's.... UO 2... (Score:4, Interesting)
Forgive me, but... (Score:2)
UO2== Ultima Online 2 (Score:2)
UO2 == Ultima Online 2 == Never came out, and never will
I've gotta beat the rush. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've gotta beat the rush. (Score:3, Funny)
How very.
This one will never get developed: (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:This one will never get developed: (Score:2, Funny)
Doom III (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Doom III (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Doom III (Score:2)
Re:Doom III (Score:3, Informative)
If you've played the alpha and it rocks, and you're sure that it will rock when it comes out... how exactly is it vaporware?
I've had the pleasure of seeing the DOOM 3 theater presentation at QuakeCon 2002, and I can assure you that DOOM 3 is no where near vaporware. It's just so advanced that it's taking a slightly longer development cycle than your typical derived engined game.
I would probably guess that it's more finished than unfinished at this point. (entirely speculation) And Todd Hollenshead did joke with the crowd at QCon that id wasn't in the habit of showing preview versions of the same game year after year at E3.
Re:Doom III (Score:2, Insightful)
"As in previous years, software locked in the pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."
if it counts for
and with the paragraph preceeding the one I quoted... sounds like Doom III should be in the top ten.
TF2 (Score:5, Interesting)
TF2, king of vaporware.
Re:TF2 (Score:2)
Though Halo got release for XBox, it's still missing from the PC or Mac desktop.
Re:TF2 (Score:5, Interesting)
Once they got bought out by Valve, I got paid for the work I did and that was the last I saw/heard about the game really. Looking back at it now though, I hope they really don't use my old sounds, as they're quite dated and admitedly amateur.
At one point, while I was working on the last version [planetfortress.com] of TF released for QuakeWorld (remember that?), Robin of TF had me take a look at a first run of TF2 for Quake2. I actually think I have that still laying around here on an old CD somewhere.
Re:TF2 (Score:4, Funny)
Non-Computer Related Nominations... (Score:5, Insightful)
SNL joke (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Non-Computer Related Nominations... (Score:4, Insightful)
Duke Nukem 4 Ever. (Score:2)
That trailer looked like a finished, kick ass game, wonder whats taking them so long...
Re:Duke Nukem 4 Ever. (Score:4, Funny)
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002...
Duke Nukem: Never
The game has become irrelevant.
All you people voting for "The Duke" just . . . (Score:3, Funny)
I mean really, it's right there in the title. How long is it going to be in development? Forever. They've discovered the one, true way to make a computer game, an otherwise ephemeral undertaking, an eternal classic. Never release and never release often.
Truth in advertising. Frankly it's a refreshing change from the usual hype surrounding unreleased titles.
KFG
Re:Duke Nukem 4 Ever. (Score:3, Funny)
The Segway (Score:2, Interesting)
And yet Amazon promises to deliver them any month now...
Re:The Segway (Score:2, Funny)
SlashCode That can...... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:SlashCode That can...... (Score:3, Funny)
All your base...
Re:Auto-mod??? You fuckwit!! (Score:2)
GNU/Hurd (Score:5, Funny)
Re:GNU/Hurd (Score:3, Funny)
Guess I'd better watch out. One of the two surviving Hurd developers might have mod points.
Portable Vorbis Players (Score:2)
Re:Portable Vorbis Players (Score:2)
It's got to be ... (Score:2)
Hands down (Score:2, Funny)
The Economy (Score:5, Funny)
simple (Score:3, Funny)
My Nomination: AR (Score:2)
100:1 Compression Baby!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
Many news agencies like Reuters ran with it and as usual Shanon proved them wrong (try www.zeosync.com hehe)
If only they had read the newsgroup compression FAQ they would have saved time and all that investor money (they had over $10 million at one point I believe).
Anyhow I thought that was the best vaporware... if only it could have been true
Re:100:1 Compression Baby!!! (Score:4, Funny)
I bet that they probably achieved an even better compression ratio than 100:1 on their venture capital.
Games... (Score:3)
Master of Orion 3 [quicksilver.com], since 2001... no, Nov 2002, December 4th... Maybe January?
Shadowbane [shadowbane.com], a MMORPG without all that pesky RPG stuff
SimCity 4 [ea.com], delayed 'till January. "It's in 3D, trust us", except you can't swivel the camera
Soviet Russian Linux Distro? (Score:4, Funny)
Vapourware... (Score:5, Funny)
Post this early, funny. Post this late, redundant... better click submit now...
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
QuarkXPress for Mac OS X (Score:5, Insightful)
Those fuckwits at Quark have been pissing on their customers for years, and now they're making my life harder because I have to deal with supporting the Classic environment instead of being able to make a clean break to OS X.
I've heard that this way-overdue version of XPress has been the final straw for many of Quark's customers, and they're finally dropping XPress for Adobe InDesign. Quark's customer-hostility has done more to sell copies of InDesign than anything dreamed up by the folks in Marketing at Adobe.
~Philly
Son of Star Wars Missile Program (Score:3, Insightful)
Hammer (Score:3, Interesting)
Never Winter Nights for linux ... (Score:2, Insightful)
But my vote goes for NWN on linux.
They stated that they'd have linux support ASAP. But with the recent events I wonder if they even knew what they were talking about. My gut feeling is that they stated linux support just to generate PR.
I don't mean to sound ungrateful, nor do I want to sound 'mean' in anyway. But this has become one of those I'll believe it when I see it sort things
Sunny Dubey
Flying Cars? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Flying Cars? (Score:5, Funny)
Want a flying car? Move to Texas or Oklahoma. Wait for Spring.
Vaporware ... (Score:4, Funny)
so many to choose from ... so so many. I know HURD will never reach full developement (no one will dump linux to do something new), 3D in linux sucks hence why there are no games for linux, crash proof windows that is secure (MS always promises and always fails horribly, and well peace on earth and good will towards men (not so long as we got a war mongers running america ...)
Re:Vaporware ... (Score:4, Informative)
Did you try the Gentoo 1.4rc1 live cd? It booted, loaded the nvidia driver, and started the ut2003 demo for me with zero trouble.
No contest... (Score:3, Redundant)
needs? (Score:5, Funny)
this being
Re:needs? (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you a virgin?
Team Fortress 2 (Score:2)
the matrix reloaded? (Score:3, Insightful)
wasn't it?
Digial film (Score:4, Interesting)
It's vapor, but it could be the road to digital for people with high-quality 35mm SLR cameras. Everyone wants to go digital for the convenience, the instant feedback on the shot, the uh, privacy of not going through a photo lab, etc. There must be over a million people with SLR's of higher optical quality than most of today's point-and-shoot digitals.
In fact, I can't imagine why this hasn't flown. I don't think anyone else has beaten them to the punch, and it seems technically feasible. Maybe they can't get the sensor thin enough to close the camera back?
Right here at home! Are you listening? (Score:2)
Awhile back I posted (the /. search? Does that box DO anything?) a good use for it - review new music and bands (RIAA free!?) and links to free mp3 downloads.
Perhaps we can teach a old dead dog new tricks...I sure would like to hear what other /.ers are listening to.
GNU/Hurd (Score:3, Redundant)
Gotta be Duke Nukem Forever (Score:5, Funny)
- Clinton was president.
- The Spice Girls were popular.
- Princess Diana was alive.
- Tony Soprano was a twinkle in David Chase's eye.
- Yahoo was a good search engine.
- The X-Files was on, and it was worth watching.
It's been a long, long time since Duke Nukem Forever was announced. 3DRealms should get an award for most vapourous software ever.
Next TAOCP volume from Knuth? (Score:2)
Re:Next TAOCP volume from Knuth? (Score:4, Interesting)
How about.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Girlfriend 1.0 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Girlfriend 1.0 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Girlfriend 1.0 (Score:5, Funny)
> Sorry, the newer models want more RAM than you can provide.
You have it all wrong...
The newer models want more cache than you can provide...
MOO3 (Score:2)
Cheap, large, flat-panel display technologies (Score:5, Insightful)
Since the market for this technology would be huge (all TV sets, for starters) if it worked and was cheaper than CRTs, it's the premiere vaporware technology. Nothing else actually promoted as Real Soon Now has similar volume potential.
Vaporware-like (Score:5, Insightful)
ICQ and AIM meld (aka unified messaging format) (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:ICQ and AIM meld (aka unified messaging format) (Score:4, Insightful)
It has been in beta since before 98.
Last Year's Vaporware: Materialized (Score:5, Funny)
* 3G wireless networks (Although not what we were promised. I have a 3G phone from sprint, but cannot do things like video on demand)
* Photoshop for OS X
* Warcraft III
* Duke Nukem Forever
Err, wait, never mind on the last one.
Just because Sprint calls it 3G... (Score:4, Insightful)
The reason your Sprint "3G" phone can't handle 3G features like video is that it isn't 3G. Sprint is using interim technology that the rest of the world refers to a "2.5G" - it offers some of the features of 3G while still building on a second generation base. Since 3G has been hyped so much, Sprint just decided to piggyback their inferior technology by calling it 3G.
oqo is real (Score:3, Insightful)
The .Net "Revolution" (Score:4, Interesting)
Beside, 99% of their architecture isnt even ready.
Re:The .Net "Revolution" (Score:3, Insightful)
Interesting? hardly, it is however getting a wee bit annoying that people are seen as insightful just cause they whine about .Net. .Net on techincal merit, fine. If you don't like it cause MS made it, fine. But quit whining about it just because you don't understand it and you're too lazy to pick up some books.
If you don't like
.Net has been compared to most modern languages/runtimes/architectures/strategies in a ".Net is just xxx with yyy!" way, sorry, it is nothing like those.
Yes it is similar to J2EE, not Java, J2EE, but not many other things, so please stop the comparisons if you don't know what you're talking about.
99% of their architecture isn't ready, pray tell what that refers to?
Linux stampede, MS death (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm sure we're both going to be moderated as trolls or flamebaits or whatever for this, but it's true. Yet another year has gone by with no sign, not even an inkling, of a suitable Linux-based desktop operating system.
OS X, on the other hand, just keeps getting better, proving that user-friendly yet powerful UNIX is not only possible, but damn profitable.
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
> desktop operating system. OS X, on the other hand,
> just keeps getting better,
I would certainly hope so, since you know, OS X isn't free.
Not that cost is a surefire gauge of quality, but considering most people who use linux haven't paid for anything more than media (ie, cd's) I'd say overall it's doing pretty darn well in what it's accomplished.
If OS X had been introduced to the world the same way Linux had been.. would it have as much to brag about?
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't think the actual software is the big problem. Most things are not too different from the various Windows OSes. The two main issues for the desktop are:
1. Command line fear.
Let's face it. As easy as something like "ifup eth0" is, the idea of typing commands scares users. Sometimes, it can almost be more difficult for newbies to navigate a GUI, especially when you get multiple windows open. It would be really cool if there was a shell that understood straight english and was able to execute commands based on them, ex "connect to the internet", "delete file called xxx", etc.
2. Documentation
A lot of the documentation for *nix is very good. However, most newbies wouldn't even think to look on the web, much less in on line help. Sort of like the Mandrake Installer, a desktop OS should have help integrated EVERYWHERE, with the option to turn it off once the user is comfortable with the system.
Perhaps #2 is why OSX is so great?
Re:Might I suggest...? (Score:2, Informative)
Ehrm, sorry about that. Got a nasty cold right now. (/me wipes germ-filled spittle off my face.)
YMMV, but I think that RedHat 8.0 is really surprisingly usable, though it does take a little bit of tweaking. Unifying the desktops was a brilliant move, Bluecurve is servicable (certainly better than Luna!), and they're working at eliminating the complexity of install and configuration. Now if they would fix that @#$*!!! menu structure (!!Extras!!), reduce the number of separate configuration applets I need to wade through to do darn near *anything*, and reinclude MP3 support. (Licensing schmicensing.)
For that matter, it would be nice if they'd include xine or mplayer (preferably with QT and WMA support), RealPlayer, and Flash for those who gotta get their Flash game fix. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know -- it ain't OSS. While we're wishing, maybe RedHat could fund open-source alternatives?
Still, it's the largest step in the right direction I've seen a distro take. It isn't there yet, but it's closer. Don't knock it.
Re:Might I suggest...? (Score:3, Informative)
Extras? (slaps forehead) So THAT'S where gftp, abiword, tux racer etc. went. What were they thinking? Half of the menu items removed and duplicated under "Extras"?
And although I can't knock them for the
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
Check out the forums on the Apple website if you don't believe me. Loads of people saying things along the lines of, "I just bought a XServe for my school lab, and it is not working for an unexplained reason." The solution Apple often uses is to deny that the problem even exists.
Totally offtopic.
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
However, you can't use it like unix; it and its applications are certainly not unix-like. So it really doensn't matter what's underneath. I use unix because it acts like unix, which is defined by five things in my book:
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
I've done some development on OS X (porting apps from other UNIX platforms to X) and it's very, very easy and very, very UNIX like. Everything I saw was a file. Almost everything I saw were simple text files. There are most definitely fork and exec on OS X. There is a terminal app (although I miss xterm-type three button mouse cut and paste).
The largest hurdle is the damned netinfo database. All the
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
That's good to hear. I didn't mean to imply that OS X lacked everything unixy, just that it didn't have enough for my tastes.
BTW, by 'everything is a file' I mean the idea that the interface to most system things are files. E.g., /dev/sound, network connections, etc. Plan 9 goes even further, having things like the network connection being locatable on the filesystem (/net/tcp/483/in or the like).
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2)
I'm sure we're both going to be moderated as trolls or flamebaits or whatever for this, but it's true.
Not to worry, from what I've seen you've never posted a single positive comment on Linux and it hasn't hurt your Karma yet.
Re:A working Linux distro (Score:2, Insightful)
You're absolutely wrong about Linux. Maybe you're even simple.
I'm very tired of the so-and-so's on Slashdot who keep posting that Linux is unusable without even giving any major distribution a real try. Linux on the desktop rules, I wouldn't use anything else. No, it's not exactly like Windows. In fact, it's better-- faster workflow, more intuitive desktop, better icons and themes, nicer applications, the ability to run Windows applications (under VMWare or Win4Lin) more stably than under Windows... But of course there's no arguing that it's different.
Still, if you can't be bothered to figure out your way around the differences and appreciate the wealth of features and applications that are already there for Linux and that have been putting Windows to shame already for years, it isn't the fault of Linux or the Linux community, it's the fault of you and nobody else. Some have said they don't have the time to figure out the features of Linux. Fine, they don't get to use them. But that doesn't mean they aren't there or that they aren't as usable as those of Windows or Mac OS! Sit a Windows guy down in front of a Mac OS X machine and watch what happens: he's as confused as hell. But nobody is storming around claiming that OS X is bad for the desktop because such claims aren't fashionable.
Justification: I am writing this right now from a multimedia tablet PC running Red Hat Linux and KDE3 with Light.v3 style and the iKons theme. Yes, the touchscreen works wonderfully! Yes, I have handwriting recognition via xscribble! Yes, I'm using all external USB peripherals, including a DVD player which is right now playing "Lola Rennt"! Yes, onboard audio and onboard 3D acceleration work properly! Yes, it makes my friends green with envy!
Re:.Net (Score:2)
Re:Myst 3. (Score:2)
Re:The New Amiga! (Score:2)
But you can get the AmigaOne now!
alright... you can order the AmigaOne now!
Still gotta wait another 6 months for the OS. Hrm. that does sound suspiciously like "wait till next year..." again.
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Re:PC Halo! (Score:3, Interesting)