Top Ten Web-Design Mistakes of 2002 547
yoey writes "Another famous Nielsen year-end wrapup: "Every year brings new mistakes. In 2002, several of the worst mistakes in Web design related to poor email integration. The number one mistake, however, was lack of pricing information, followed by overly literal search engines.""
And in 1992... (Score:2, Funny)
You know what I like? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You know what I like? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:You know what I like? (Score:2)
And the 'toons are pretty nice, too.
Re:You know what I like? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:You know what I like? (Score:3, Funny)
Bandwidth elves.
Re:You know what I like? (Score:2)
Same reason ebay will never be slashdotted. Plenty of servers and bandwidth.
Re:You know what I like? (Score:2)
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Numero Uno ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Number one: no website contact for links not working etc, ie American Express, etc.
Re:Numero Uno ... (Score:3, Informative)
The less technical a site is the less likly they will have something like this, the reason is that people will click on that and use that to complain about anything. The web people don't want to get customer support problems.
Grip session? (Score:3, Funny)
For everyone's sake, I hope you meant gripe session.
Re:Numero Uno ... (Score:2)
Ugh. IFYP. How about web sites with NO PHONE NUMBERS on their lame-ass "Contact Us" page. (no, the answer *wasn't* in the stupid FAQ.)
NOTE: By the way, **mad** props to Neilson for pointing out how really horrible some of the commercial FAQs are. I hadn't even elucidated that fact until I read his piece.
Re:Numero Uno ... (Score:2)
Re:Numero Uno ... (Score:5, Insightful)
A home page that is just a logo to click on to go to the real home page. It is often large, slow and adds nothing (good) to the experience
Number four
Flash
I used to feel the same way you do; actually, I still feel the same way you do. When I hit the net, it's usually because I am looking for something particular, and the more hoops/pluggins I have to jump through to get to it, the more unhappy I become.
When I talk to the people that use my site, on the other hand, I find that at least a good number of them like the "ooh, shiney" parts of the web. I've actually had people ask me to restore the flash intro that the guy who ran the site before me made.
I find that splash pages (the ones that link to the "real" hompage) act almost like the cover of a book. People process images much more uickly than they do written words, and a splash page allows you make a more reliable first impression than some other methods; and if you compress your images, there is no reason it should take more than a few seconds to load. A splash page, properly compressed, can come in at under 40k.
I think the hallmark of good design these days is to wrap functionality in a pretty package; make sure that your site is useful/useable, but also make it attractive enough that your users know you care about both your content and their experience.
And the #1 mistake of all times is ... (Score:5, Funny)
They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:2, Funny)
A tactit commenly employed is to group products by the model name. This is especially effective if the name is Scandinavian, or Swahili. Trying to find the toaster you saw in the store yesterday when the choices are "Knopox", "Ikbaan", "Fnafbert" and "Aaaaaaarghbaad" is definatly a good way to enduce a seizure in your users.
Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:2, Funny)
Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:2)
Okay,
I'd put you on my enemies list but I'm feeling nice today.
The point of a website is to allow users to find information, it shouldn't force the customer to educate themselves about the product before going to the website. That does make sense if you're talking about specialized products and a specialized audience, but these are toaster buyers here.
When I go to a website, I don't give a flying #*$ about their company. I care about what they offer, in terms of products and services. So I don't care about their neat branding techniques, their logos, or their corporate structure.
How about this for a Toaster search:
Number of Slots: [1:2:4:8]
Slot Size [ Wide | Narrow ]
Style [ Retro Chrome | etc...]
The point is that unless the person really is a complete moron, they can answer the above questions about a toaster they just bought without having to look at the toaster or the box it came in. Model names and numbers are often difficult to find on products, and it's also sometimes difficult to figure out which brand name represents the company and which brand name represents the product, and which number is the model number vs. the serial number vs. etc, etc.
I develop websites myself, and so I know how difficult it can be to setup useful navigation and search engines. However, your attitude is customer-hostile. You want customers to find the product, even if they can't remember any "key" data (i.e. the product number, the model name, the brand, etc.). That's why record stores are cooler than CDNow. You can walk in and say, "What's that song that goes 'Na na na na na something something blues?'" and they may be actually able to help you. Of course, web sites will *never* be that intuitive, but you can certainly make it as easy as possible to find something.
Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes indeed, quite annoying. Even more annoying to me is when you go to a site for information about a product, click on the "products" link, and are made to choose between "home", "small business", and "enterprise". I just want to see the products and their specs! Don't worry about why! Just tell me what you've got, and I'll make my own goddam decisions!
Sheesh.
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Re:They missed websites that are just unnavigable (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder how many sites with no site map actually don't even have a design map? I would venture quite a few. Web design is similar to software enginerring: without a good plan, you're gonna get crap out of the process.
They missed one... (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems to me that some web designers use it almost like a crutch. As if some needless animation that I have to wait through is going to enhance my enjoyment of a website. If anything, it just makes me want to visit elsewhere.
Re:They missed one... (Score:2, Interesting)
Flash pisses me off because it takes away functionality from my browser...
Re:They missed one... (Score:2)
Yeah, well as I recall, Nielsen was hired not too long ago in an advisory capacity by Macromedia. Apparently the latest version is far more accessible & usable.
Did anybody else automatically try to scroll right when they got to #3? Also, the bit:
Anybody else wanna bet that the sites in question are actually designed for 800 pixels wide, but it's Internet Explorer screwing up the box model?
Re:They missed one... (Score:4, Insightful)
Wouldn't it be nice if web designers stopped dictating the size you need to run your browser? One designer tells me I'm supposed to run my browser at 800x600, another at 1024x768, and another at some oddball resolution. (Which tells me one thing: they're using the browser at full screen and I'd bet that it's on a Windows box as well.) A pox on all who don't use the ``width=NN%'' option on tables.
Re:They missed one... (Score:2)
Good Grief, No! I've done surgery on a few things (too often for my taste) that I've downloaded from the 'net to remove references to pixels in font sizes and table widths, replacing them with pts and percentages. I just don't understand the need for specifying these in pixels. Ever see some of these web pages when you run your browser at 1800x1600 or similar high resolution? It's ridiculous.
Re:They missed one... (Score:3, Informative)
No they don't. You seem to think that html is a layout language, it isn't. It encodes meaning, nt presentation. Tables are fine for a table of data - but abusing them to get a specific look is only going to frustrate people who care about the semantic information (non-graphical browsers, search engines, summary tools, etc).
If you're still referring to them as "layers", then it's time to take another look at them. DHTML is a useful tool - what should be avoided is DHTML that doesn't degrade gracefully. It isn't an all-or-nothing technology.
Re:They missed one... (Score:3, Informative)
The word markup doesn't mean layout. It can sometimes, but it certainly doesn't in a web development context (or do you think that the 'Markup' in XML is talking about layout as well?)
-- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=markup [reference.com]
Re:They missed one... (Score:2, Insightful)
That had better not be aimed at me. The problems with the IE box model are there whether you use pixels or percentages, or anything else. I was merely commenting on the cause of the strange obsession with sites that are slightly too wide than what's probably intended.
How about you go and get a little experience before going off on one? It's perfectly possible to produce fluid designs whilst specifying widths - you do know that you don't have to specify them in pixels, don't you?
Re:They missed one... (Score:5, Informative)
The fact is, browsers are *still* not all behaving the same way, and the only safe way to have a site appear correctly is to use absolute pixels. Stylesheets are nice for simple text styling, but can't even be depended on for font sizes! (Don't believe me? Set up a web page with a style
BODY { font-size: medium }
And see how it shows up on IE, IE for Mac, Netscape, and Netscape for Mac. They'll all be different sizes, last time I checked.)
Since clients want pretty layouts, which includes, necessarily, the use of tables, from time to time absolute pixel widths have to be used.
Our technique for getting around the 100% of 800 = 805 problem is to set the table to 95% instead of 100%, and then center it on the screen. It also adds to the whitespace on the left and right, so it's actually a pretty good thing.
Re:They missed one... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, well, try these:
BODY { font-size: 14px; }
BODY { font-size: 12pt; }
I'll bet you'll find that those will display similarly on all browsers on all platforms. This of course assumes the same font, and that all the platforms have similar DPI settings. However, there are plenty of people who need the text to be larger than many sites provide (OK, Sprint [sprint.com]?! 10px Verdana? *squint squint*) and get quite understandably annoyed when you've confined the text into a little bitty group of pixels.
If you want overly-anal control of the exact font size, you should be specifying it in pixels or, preferably, points. IE doesn't "magnify" fonts set with either, but Mozilla will magnify both. I consider both behaviors to be wrong, I think the Right Thing [tuxedo.org] would be to scale up the points-to-pixels conversion as text is magnified, and leave things specified in pixels alone. Or, if pixel-sized font is scaled, then the "virtual pixel" to "real pixel" conversion should be scaled everywhere, including with <img>s.
Bottom line: "medium" is a browser-based setting. It's supposed to change from browser-to-browser (well, it should be expected to change - it doesn't have to). So complaining that the browsers don't have a uniform definition of "medium" when there isn't one is kind of silly.
Re:They missed one... (Score:3, Funny)
Flash, and
Animation is triply redundant.
Re:They missed one... (Score:2, Interesting)
I do not run flash on my main browser. I do not like to upgrade browser software because it will generally include flash. I have seen good uses of flash. I have more often seen gratuitous uses that stifle the visitor.
I'm noticing LESS Flash, actually (Score:2)
Re:They missed one... (Score:3, Insightful)
Agreed, but I would go further. Flash should be banned until there are useable free software implementations running in other platforms than Intel. I use testing Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC and Flash simply isn't useable for me.
I would also add:
Wrong Character Codification: MS Win-specific character codes, contents inconsistent with HTML declaration.
Fixed Linesize Text, too much header information: impossible to read in my Orange SPV Smartphone 2.002. Project Gutenberg is an offender.
Bad Use of Hyphens: character separation should use optional hyphens.
Content Proprietarily Encoded: MS WMA & Office, Real, recent versions of Apple Quicktime.
Worst mistake - listening to Nielsen (Score:2)
Web-Design Mistakes? That's easy... (Score:4, Funny)
Two words: Flash Intro
Yeah sure, it can be done right, but the other 99.9% of the time I hate the world.
Numeber 1 web site mistake of all time. (Score:2, Redundant)
Lack of pricing information (XBox Live site) (Score:5, Insightful)
Our kids are excited about XBox and want to play online, but after visiting the XBox Live site I'm not sure it's going to happen. I spent about 30 minutes poking around on the site and found no information on pricing. This annoys me. I'm not going to buy something to find out how much it will cost.
Re:Lack of pricing information (XBox Live site) (Score:2)
Quoth the article:
"Microsoft will sell a $49.95 Xbox Live package, O'Rourke said, which includes a 12-month subscription to the service and a headset microphone that connects to the Xbox for voice chat. The fee does not include a broadband connection, which is required to subscribe."
Google is our friend (I simply searched using 'XBox Live price' as the string).
Also, http://www.xbox.com/live/xboxlive-retailers.htm [xbox.com] shows where you can get the starter kit from your favorite local (nationwide) retailer.
If you go to the main XBox live page, there's a link on the page under 'Get it now!' that lists the price.
Re:Lack of pricing information (XBox Live site) (Score:2)
Re:Lack of pricing information (XBox Live site) (Score:2)
"If you go to the main XBox live page, there's a link on the page under 'Get it now!' that lists the price."
You'd see that I also pointed out that the information was readily available on the XBox Live front page.
No big deal. If you can't find it, Google should be your first stop - that was my only reason for referencing it.
Re:Lack of pricing information (XBox Live site) (Score:2)
6. SUBSCRIPTION RENEWAL
If you are participating in any trial or promotional period offer, you must cancel your subscription prior to the end of the applicable trial or promotional period in order to avoid having the subscription automatically and continuously renewed for the specified period, as well as to avoid incurring any applicable service charges for early cancellation. If you are subscribed for a monthly subscription, then your subscription will automatically and continuously renew from month to month unless you cancel your subscription prior to the end of that month. If you are subscribed for longer subscription periods (e.g., 3, 6 or 12 months) then unless the terms of that subscription state otherwise, your subscription will automatically and continuously renew for such period at prices then in effect.
So, they're not saying at this time. You'll have to pay whatever the going rate is at the end of the 12 months. Also, not unlike a gym membership, you've got to contact them before the anniverssary in order to cancel the subscription or it auto-renews.
They also say that the service isn't intended for kids under 13.
other mistakes (Score:5, Insightful)
Doug
Re:other mistakes (Score:2)
You could always search the yellow pages (or your area's equivalent) for their number. If they do not have one listed, you might want to question the quality and capabilities of that company anyway.
Re:other mistakes (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:other mistakes (Score:4, Insightful)
My gripe (Score:3, Insightful)
Web Standards? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also annoying when using a high res, small screen, as on a laptop, you crank up the font size in Mozilla or IE and the fixed size tables sites use to do layout make it impossible to read anything. ARGH!
Re:Web Standards? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Web Standards? (Score:2)
Too many choices - too many standards (Score:3, Insightful)
So long as this wonderful environment of competition and choice exists, we will continue to enjoy sub-standard results.
/. almost fails the Number 9 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:/. almost fails the Number 9 (Score:5, Insightful)
Frex, your post's http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=48804&cid=494
Re:/. almost fails the Number 9 (Score:2, Insightful)
There is no way that this is an unusable URL.
Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:5, Interesting)
I do a lot of web developing and I've come realize that a lot of things that I want to do cannot be done without having Javascript in the link. While it is sometimes annoying when I'm browsing a site and cannot directly link to a page because they use a POSTed form inside of a Javascript, there are many many positive uses for Javascript, such as history.go(-1).
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:3, Interesting)
Tho the absolute most obnoxious links arrived shortly after DreamweaverMX -- where the entire menu is done as flash buttons. The way they're rigged, you can't even download the
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:3, Insightful)
WTF is wrong with letting the user hit the back button?
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:2)
Well, nothing except that they've already commandeered the Back button to pop up/under more ads when the hapless user tries to use it.
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:3, Interesting)
What's wrong with doing something like:
Click <a href="<? echo $HTTP_REFERER ?>">here</a> to go back
The above example is PHP, but applies equally well to whatever server-side scripting language you're using. Why force your users to enable JavaScript when there's no real need for it?
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:2)
Whole link bars? I can top that!
I've seen whole sites rendered as a single Flash application. The worst perpetrator,IME, is Celebrity Boulevard. These people seem to have an in with a lot of talent agencies to produce the 'Official' web site for the celebs on their books. Basically they get a few photos of the celeb (usually olds publicity shots and maybe a magazine shot or two) and stick them plus a few chunks of text (basic bio + film/discography) into a Flash app and pocket a fat cheque from the agency.
Guess it's quicker than writing a real site.
On can only hope that with the rumoured aquisition of Macromedia by Micro$oft [slashdot.org] these people will stop getting the traffic and so stop getting the business.
Stephen
Re:Javascript in links and Flash animation (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems MUCH of javascript encourages CRAP web design. People are encouraged to do stupid things and then try to use javascript as a bandaid.
So many sites have javascript practically rewriting entire HTML pages.
Even history.go(-1) seems silly to me. Users aren't stupid - the back button is one of the first things they learn or are taught about when web browsing. Given all the various web technologies, can you give me a good reason why you would need history.go(-1), or any of the history stuff for that matter?
The other thing - you often can have javascript in the link, but still keep a usable href. I don't understand why so _many_ sites require javascript where a simple link will do. I hate this the most. Who cares about not having prices when the links don't even work? Or you can't even see anything on the first page.
Fortunately most sites that require Javascript (or Flash) for access are usually useless - filled with fluff or even lies.
Another thing, many sites that use javascript everywhere including forms appear to have been built by clueless idiots. There are often obvious web security problems with their sites. Easy SQL injection etc.
There are indeed good uses for Javascript, but sadly, excrement has been put to more good uses than Javascript.
Fixed text size? Only because M$ broke it (Score:5, Insightful)
<tag style="font-size:20px">
should do nothing more than render the font with that height, but still allow it to be resized, my website http://www.andrewvc.com uses this and using mozilla I can resize all the text perfectly.
Unfortuanatly, I just discovered that Internet Explorer 6 does not do and won't let me change the text size. Of what relevance is text in points to a web developer? As usual I expect all trolls to be bash me and tell me to use the standard. Well I don't care, no old people go to my site.
Re:Fixed text size? Only because M$ broke it (Score:4, Interesting)
I like using large fonts on high resolution; it looks nice. Small fonts are too small to read on my monitor.
(I'm 31 and have better than 20/20 eyes.)
Joe
Re:Fixed text size? Only because M$ broke it (Score:2)
Bigger Mistake (Score:4, Funny)
My Worst One (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:My Worst One (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:My Worst One (Score:2)
How to make a website (Score:2, Funny)
Homestarrunner (link) (Score:2)
Strong Bad's Website Lessons [homestarrunner.com]
Even if you hate flash, you've got to check this site out.
The browser's fault? (Score:2, Informative)
This problem does not exist on Navigator where you can just "Send Page". Seems more a limitation of the chosen browser, Internet Explorer, than of the website.
Re:The browser's fault? (Score:2)
So bascially he's saying - lets keep the web... the web.
Good stuff but... (Score:3, Interesting)
But many other things in the article were bulls-eye, like the tiny text.
Ciryon
Web designers competence improves? (Score:4, Interesting)
'Poor email intergration' sounds pretty sophisticated compared to 'don't use the <blink> tag'.
browser type (Score:5, Interesting)
nothing quite as annoying as
"you need Internet Explorer 5+ or Netscape 6.2.2+ to view this site"
solution: some browsers allow you to change the userAgent.
in mozilla, the prefbar [xulplanet.com] plugin allows this (among other things).
a pet peeve (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, this is not the fault of stylesheets. Internet Explorer does not allow the "zooming" of fonts set with pixel sizes. This is a shortcoming of Internet Explorer, not CSS. If this is so important to Nielsen (and I can see why it would be - my vision isn't so great either), perhaps he should look into using alternative browsers (Opera and Moz-based browsers all allow font zooming regardless of how the font size was set).
Why Frames Suck (Score:2, Interesting)
I would like to see Nielsen revisit his 1996 critique of frames [useit.com], perhaps exploring some of the technologies (PHP, JSP, ASP etc.*) that have provided better solutions to the problems frames initially tried to correct (dynamic navigation/content, rich GUI interface, etc.).
* While dynamic, server-generated content was around in 1996 (cgi, ssi, and shtml), it was not as widespread, nor was it as readily available to the average web-designer/developer.
This Guy Just Needs a BETTER Browser (Score:2, Insightful)
4. Fixed Font Size
Sorry buddy. Get a REAL Browser, with full page zooming, not just silly text zooming. Opera [opera.com]
9. URL > 75 Characters
Not even realistic, we're past little html pages now, it's something called dynamic content. and without HTTP_GET you will be forced to fill out a form of where you would like to go (Think Web Application, Web Application...).
10. Mailto Links in Unexpected Locations
Add TheseTell the damned user to look at their STATUS BAR.
FLASH Navigation
FRAMES
REALLY BIG ADVERTISEMENTS
POP UP/UNDER/SIDEWAYS/THROUGH/OVER/AROUND... ADS
INEFFECTIVE (read: STUPID) use of COOKIES
Search Engines! (Score:3, Funny)
Previous entries (Score:2, Insightful)
I particularly liked: 1999:
Slow Server Response Times
"Slow response times are the worst offender against Web usability: in my survey of the original "top-ten" mistakes, major sites had a truly horrifying 84% violation score with respect to the response time rule."
Took me a couple of minutes for that to download
In 1996, we had Overly Long Download Times
The previous version are Cached by google,
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:pj5FFl38-p
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:tgqi1bumb7
useit.com? (Score:2)
Given the asswhupping this server just took, they might change the site's name to abuseit.com.
All Good, but, but, but (Score:3, Interesting)
Did you notice the alt tags on the Nielsen site? I've never seen another site put that much effort into a page.
What year? (Score:2)
(not that that site has it, its just the worst thing I get on the web...oh, that and the sites that make browsers crash...)
Why users hate horizontal scrolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Reason why the site is slow... (Score:4, Informative)
As many people have mentioned, the site hosting this article is straining under the load of geeks looking for more material to turn into running gags. I think I managed to find the reason for this site's poor performance - a lack of high speed internet access.
From Nielsen's Law of Internet Bandwidth [useit.com] (1998):
Nielsen's Law of Internet bandwidth states that:
The dots in the diagram show the various speeds with which I have connected to the Net, from an early acoustic 300 bps modem in 1984 to an ISDN line today. It is amazing how closely the empirical data fits the exponential growth curve for the 50% annualized growth stated by Nielsen's Law.
Starting about 2003, high-end users will have speeds corresponding to a personal T-1 line.
Of course, low-end users will be on ISDN lines in 2003, so high-end users' megabit access will still not sanction bloated design. Looking even further ahead, Nielsen's Law does predict that the Web will be 57 times faster in ten years.
It is amazing how easy it is to get an accurate approximation of the trend of internet connectivity speed from seven data points representing one person's internet connection speed over a span of 15 years.
So the site might not be responding well right now, but at least we get broadband next year...
How about denying access to pop-up add blockers? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, I recognise this is how web sites make their money but a discreet advert in the corner of your site is much better than slamming a window in front of your site.
A polite slashdot? (Score:3, Insightful)
Looooooong URLs (Score:4, Interesting)
URL > 75 Characters Long URLs break the Web's social navigation because they make it virtually impossible to email a friend a recommendation to visit a Web page. If the URL is too long to show in the browser's address field, many users won't know how to select it. If the URL breaks across multiple lines in the email, most recipients won't know how to glue the pieces back together. The result? No viral marketing, just because your URLs are too long. Bad way to lose business.
There are two side points to this:
Re:Looooooong URLs (Score:3, Insightful)
This will also increase the chances of a cache hit, speeding up access to your site, reducing server load and bandwidth bills.
Ditto. Nasty URLs can usually be made at least a little nicer with judicious use of mod_rewrite (so instead of something like http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1234&pid=5 678 turns into http://slashdot.org/stories/1234/comments/5678 (also a help for search engines, as well as humans)
Radio buttons and their dumbness (Score:3, Insightful)
And I think it's just plain stupid. People, please, do this: and stick an a onlick= around your options. It's fast, it's easy, it doesnt add much clutter, and it's more widely supported than label tags. It is very annoying to have to click NOT what I want, but some tiny thing next to what I want, in order to get the option I want. I dont see why this setopt() practice isnt used on many more websites. I'd think at least
Re:for those who dont wanna wait on the page to lo (Score:5, Funny)
Last but not least... (Score:5, Insightful)
Jason.
Fornatted (Score:4, Informative)
Summary: Every year brings new mistakes. In 2002, several of the worst mistakes in Web design related to poor email integration. The number one mistake, however, was lack of pricing information, followed by overly literal search engines. As the Web grows, websites continue to come up with ways to annoy users. Following are ten design mistakes that were particularly good at punishing users and costing site owners business in 2002.
Re:Fornatted (Score:2)
I wonder how much spam email dude@dude.com gets... I've been using that one for years
Re:How about some good examples? (Score:2)
You'd be amazed at how many people don't check. (Score:2)
You'd be amazed at how many people don't check. Seriously, those stupid rubbery power cords going into a plastic prong frame don't always hold snuggly in the correct position. I had a guy just the other day report his video had gone out and wanted me to come check it for him. He blew a $50 house call just for a monitor cable that had come loose from his video card. I suppose he saved money, though, as I would have charged $200 to set the machine up for him.
Re:No pricing... (Score:3, Funny)
Jeez! You mean the same guy who does the ads in the back of the stereo and camera magazines is now doing web pages? :-)
As for Veritas... I suspect the reason that they have no prices is that they'd just put you off wanting to use their software. Plus they probably will be flexible in the pricing anyway if they think that they could negotiate a little bit to get you to sign the license agreement. (Just watch out when they decide that the discount you originally got will no longer be available when it's time to renew the support agreement. And, of course, they've got you by the short hairs as it would be pretty disruptive to switch backup software.)