Good News For Creating Quicktime On Linux 149
"I've been finding Kino handy for capturing from VHS and Hi-8 because the auto-split avoids sync issues with large files. Cinestream (Windows NLE) can't seem to keep long captures in sync when I use my Sony DVMC-DA1 box but capturing in Kino has been a simple un-attended workaround. Now that it captures in Quicktime, it's even better because I can feed the Quicktime files directly to Cinestream with no pre-processing, and the quality is very good.
If you also install Cinelerra, you can also view some types of Quicktime in Linux. Cinelerra is an awesome multi-track NLE with several supplied effects/transitions/filters, but it also includes "X movie," which plays DV files captured with Cinestream as well as some other types (but nothing with Sorenson).
Both Cinelerra and Kino can open and edit Quicktime files from Cinestream.
Oh, what about audio? I've been trying a program called " Ardour" which is a real-time 24-track hard-disk recorder on Linux. Of course it's useful for "simpler" things too like a precision audio editor.
So Linux is coming a long way as a viable platform for high-quality editing (with nice interfaces too). And since it and the apps are free, that goes a long way. Microsoft said in a recent filing that it may be forced to lower prices due to competition from free software. Maybe one day the only people who pay for an editing package will be those who need support or buy it preconfigured with hardware."
Quicktime on Linux (Score:5, Funny)
Check out mplayer (Score:2, Informative)
you already can view Quicktime on Linux (Score:5, Informative)
Install the latest beta, grab the Win32 codecs (ask on the mailing list if you're not sure where to get them from) and you're done. It can even do streaming, it has a Mozilla plugin...
Re:you already can view Quicktime on Linux (Score:2)
1. Microsoft, Apple, Real.com etc. make their formats truly open, so that an open source implementation becomes truly possible
2. The aforementioned companies release codecs that work on other platforms than x86
I don't see any of these happening too soon.
Re:Quicktime on Linux - Mplayer (Score:5, Informative)
LiVES (Score:4, Interesting)
It uses mplayer to open video files, so anything that mplayer can open, LiVES will let you edit.
Re:playing Quicktime on Linux (Score:1, Informative)
XMOVIE.
Xmovie will let you play DV format Quicktime. I've downloaded some mpeg-4 Quicktime that also played in xmovie.
Mplayer is really awesome and is supposed to play Sorenson encoded files but I haven't tried that.
Re:Quicktime on Linux (Score:1)
You need the latest beta, and you have to also get the Win32 codecs (Quicktime included). If not sure where to get the Win32 codecs from, ask on the mailing list.
It works fine, it can play streaming material. It even has a Mozilla plugin.
And it's not just Quicktime, you can play basically any multimedia format: DivX, DVD, SVCD...
Re:Quicktime on Linux (Score:1)
its a bit late (Score:4, Funny)
To bad they are about 5 years late.
Re:its a bit late (Score:3, Insightful)
This ain't a race. It's a bout getting stuff done. (Score:2, Insightful)
Right, I see what you mean, btw: Linux "lost" the "game" and the others "won". Yippee. Kudos to the proprietary (which should be listed under to "needlessly expensive" in the thesaurus) solutions. They get a point.
I'm looking forward, however, to the day when you're still paying through the nose (or any other available orifice MS might like you to use) for things I'm getting (for) free.
(Notice the carefully worded meaning: the software IS free when I get it FOR free. Meaning "free" as in "speech" - and as in "beer".)
(And i'll figure it out for you for free, too: I can work for my clients for less than you can, then. Or simply have a much larger profit margin. That way, you ACTUALLY lose and I ACTUALLY win. See you in the real world, chum.)
Re:its a bit late (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean quicktime may be good and all but it is proprietary. It makes you locked into using a format that is out of your control.
What happens when the patent holders withdraw or change formats? How about when new better ones come in and the old is abandoned?
Suddenly your media files are not working anymore. You'll find there's little you can do about this but rant and hoo-haa. A better solution would be proper support of the open formats. Not only are they open free and gueranteed to work, but they are often better than the commercial alternatives.
File format is open (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple's implementation is propritary, as are some of the codecs. But as a file format, it is radically better than AVI for doing media authoring.
An open source implementation would be good forever.
Re:File format is open (Score:1)
And while I'm at il, 3ivx.com has a linux codec for xanim or openquicktime that support their own format + all flavor of divx, on linux. It's not opensource but...at least it's free
Re:its a bit late (Score:2, Insightful)
If the post was supposed to be funny, well, sorry, I missed it...
Re:its a bit late (Score:2)
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what it can do (Score:5, Informative)
Summary
The latest version of Kino fixes a number of bugs while improving the user interface and adding support for Quicktime DV files and dv1394.
Audio Encoding
This release fixes a number of audio encoding issues, which also requires libdv version 0.99. Kino 0.6.3 will still use libdv 0.98, but libdv 0.99 is required to completely fix it. Movie projects with mixed audio formats work better now not only in FX. In addition, with mixed audio format projects, new resampling options in Export provides a more consistent stream to IEEE 1394 devices or DV output files.
Audio Crossfade Effect
Also, while speaking of audio, the FX/Audio/Transition/Switch has been changed to a Cross Fade with user-definable spline-based controls for the fade out of clip A and the fade in of clip B.
dv1394
This release adds support for dv1394. dv1394 is optional and is not the default for both capture and export. As a result, Preferences has changed quite a bit to accomodate this change. If you have previously had trouble exporting DV back to your camera because your camera did not accept the signal, then you should try dv1394. It reportedly works for nearly everyone where video1394 would not work. dv1394 is a new module in kernel 2.4.19 and later, or you can get it from Linux 1394 Subversion. A special new feature with dv1394 is a "Preview on external monitor" preferences display option. With this enabled, as you work in Edit or Trim, all video preview is also output using dv1394! Carefully, read the new dv1394 help page at http://www.linux1394.org/dv1394.html before attempting to use it.
Quicktime
The release also adds support for Quicktime DV that is compatible with Heroine Virtual's Broadcast 2000 or Cinelerra. This is native support meaning you can capture to it, edit it, and export it using Export/DV File. You must explicitly configure Kino for Quicktime using the --with-quicktime configure option.
Capture
A major bug affecting Capture and AV/C was located and fixed. Enabling AV/C would start a thread to poll for transport status and timecode. There was a bug in the timecode routine that can deadlock the thread. For some devices AV/C has not worked well. This was addressed partly with libavc1394 0.4.1 but Kino has made some improvements as well (including the above bugfix
Eye Candy
There is some nice new user interface features too. First, there is the More Info panel that expands to show detailed information about the file, video format, and audio format for the current frame. Second, in the scene strip on the left of the window, the current scene highlights. The previous two additions only work when timecode update is enabled, so if you are constrained on CPU power, you can leave all these things disabled for better performance although the overhead is very slight on and, for example, an AMD 800MHz shows no penalty. Third, there is a newly designed scrub bar and trim control. Finally, a convenient command reference window is available under the Help menu or by pressing Ctrl+F1.
MPEG Export
A cleanup option is added to Export/MPEG that is enabled by default. Disable the option to prevent the exporter from deleting temporary files in case mplex fails. Also, there is a bugfix to properly split into separate mpeg files for each scene--this option does not use mplex splitting, so this works very good for creating multiple chapter DVDs with dvdauthor.
Jog/Shuttle Controller
If you are a USB Jog/Shuttle user, then we now use the HID driver and not custom modules. We do not know if this works OK with the Sony controller. If you use the Sony controller, let us know. It it still easy to compile Kino for use with the custom modules. However, the HID driver works good with the Contour ShuttlePRO, loads nicely with hotplug, making this a more simple ready-to-use option for users.Using a shuttle controller in conjunction with the new Preview on External Monitor feature is very nice! Note that keymappings have changed some with the move to the HID driver; however, key mappings are now configurable in Preferences. One can press the key (combinations too!) on the controller with the dialog open to select it.
FFMPEG Libavcodec
If you are trying to use Kino on a PowerPC, you can try to enable FFMPEG libavcodec using the --with-avcodec options. The libavcodec DV decoder adds accelleration for PowerPC whereas libdv does not. See configure --help or the README for more information. We will not be embedding any libavcodec source code at this time to avoid any legal ramifications. Therefore, this option may be out of sync with the latest libavcodec API from time-to-time.
mencoder could offer some quicktime support (Score:5, Informative)
Mencoder is part of MPlayer." [mplayerhq.hu]
It is not complete, but chances are you can encode/capture avi-ish Sorenson with Mencoder. This will probably work with most of the extra filters and encoding options to make changes the video. Seeing
Although I bet linux still not that great for MOV editing/encoding, it's coming along quite nicely right now as you can see.
DMCA (Score:2, Funny)
(Yeah, I know, but I thought it needed to be said.)
Why is this `good news` ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Not saying there aren't any, but I have yet to see a QuickTime video that matches the quality of some of the other formats. A visit to TheForce.net has given me this opinion.
Re:Why is this `good news` ? (Score:1, Insightful)
Using theforce.net as your basis for disliking Quicktime is a bad idea. Go view the trailers at www.apple.com/quicktime for a better idea of what QT can do. It's all about the codecs at this point, not the container.
Re:Why is this `good news` ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why is this `good news` ? (Score:1)
Re:Why is this `good news` ? (Score:1)
Personally, I wouldn't include DivX on a list of viable formats to encode with on Linux. 5.0.3 was recently released on windows, and Linux is still on an alpha release of 5.0.1, with no 'pro' version available. I'd be more annoyed though if I wasn't getting better results anyway with xvid or the mpeg4 encoding from libavcodec than DivX 5.0.2 under wine.
Re:Why is this `good news` ? (Score:2, Informative)
IIRC, theforce.net is using either H.263 or Sorenson @ 320x240 at a relatively low bitrate. DV has a way higher constant bitrate (3.9Mbps?) and it's at 720x480 (ie the same size as DVD video).
The point is, if you have DV video it doesn't make any difference what wrapper format it's in because the quality is the same.
view Quicktime (and other media formats) on Linux (Score:5, Informative)
You need the latest beta, and you have to also get the Win32 codecs (Quicktime included). If not sure where to get the Win32 codecs from, ask on the mailing list.
It works fine, it can play streaming material. It even has a Mozilla plugin.
And it's not just Quicktime, you can play basically any multimedia format: DivX, DVD, SVCD...
Xine win32 codecs (Score:2, Informative)
http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/w32codec -0.52-1.i386.rpm [puc-rio.br]
Please make Quicktime for Windows :-) (Score:1, Interesting)
Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:1, Flamebait)
Quit demanding that Apple should make you a movie player for free. If you want a high-quality Quicktime experience, buy a Mac. If you want to remain five years behind the times with regards to audio and video, stick with Linux.
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Yeah, change that to "I wish to see Sorenson Video" as a codec plugin.
Quit demanding that Apple should make you a movie player for free.
Doh. They already are.
What I'm asking for is that they'd skip the movie player, and just bring the codec, since they never knew how to make movie players for Windows anyway.
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Why don't you fucking write one yourself? This [apple.com] should give you enough information to do so. If you are man enough, that is. Come on, I dare you.
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
He says he uses windows, and here [apple.com] is the source code for writing a QuickTime player under windows.
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:1)
Its obvious why Apple built ontop of *BSD && Mach, they dont get GNU's Freedom or atleast dont agree/care.
Keeping their player off of GNU/Linux is an obvious attempt to avoid legitimizing GNU/Linux (for what little worth it really would be).
Quicktime Player has not been ported for political/social reasons... so why would this person want to do it *for* them?
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Re:Quicktime is NOT A CODEC! (Score:2)
Re:Please make Quicktime for Windows :-) (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Please make Quicktime for Windows :-) (Score:2)
Winamp3.
Sure, it has more bugs than a pile of shit in it, but it does play mpegs, etc.
Re:Please make Quicktime for Windows :-) (Score:1)
zoom player (Score:2)
It also lets you at the codec settins during playback, which is very useful.
- BBK
Failed miserably? (Score:2)
And how would that help Apple?
Re:Failed miserably? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Ben. Ben!! I'm surprised at you! It doesn't have to help Apple. It only has to help The Community!
Say you're sorry now.
Re:Failed miserably? Huh? (Score:1)
I'm sorry... (Score:4, Interesting)
ie- So that you're able to open sorenson encoded files seamlessly in cinelerra, and encode/save out to various divx mutations.
Come on people, we're so close!
I unserstand that libavcodec does this with many files (mpeg derivatives), but not the *ahem* less legal ones.
I can't wait until the day I plug a Firewire dv cam into a mandrake box, a dv cam icon pops up on the desktop and allows joe to edit away to his heart's content.
Patent, copyright, DMCA. (Score:2)
Open Sorenson, Save As DivX (Score:2, Insightful)
What you really want is to be able to import uncompressed video via Firewire (or DV-compressed video, like what the story mentions) and edit it from there.
"I can't wait until the day I plug a Firewire dv cam into a mandrake box, a dv cam icon pops up on the desktop and allows joe to edit away to his heart's content."
If you're willing to shell out $999 for an iBook, you can have this today. Cheers! Enjoy Gnome 2.2 (snicker)....
Re:Open Sorenson, Save As DivX (Score:2)
What someone really needs to do is build into a NLE mpegtools, ie, being able to so simple chops & splices data frame by data frame without re-encoding.
Or maybe MJPEG fills that niche well enough. *shrug*
Re:I'm sorry... (Score:2)
Xine and GStreamer comparison (Score:3, Informative)
Apparently KDE decided to do with xine [xinehq.de] what Gnome wants to do with GStreamer [gstreamer.net]: a multimedia player infrastructure. Want your foo-bar KDE/Gnome application to play DivX? Just make the appropriate calls to the xine/GStreamer API on your system.
GStreamer seems to be more ambitious towards video broadcast and stream video. But it's not quite ready yet for prime time (still feeling kinda alpha version).
OTOH, xine is already production quality, has a working player and started to develop a video editing infrastructure.
It will be interesting to watch how these projects evolve in the future. Both have interesting features, and have a promising look.
GStreamer. (Score:1)
DirectShow on Win32 has quietly evolved into a multimedia scene graph similar to Quicktime, and GStreamer is the rather smarter effort on Linux.
(see here [divx-digest.com] for an example of the clever tricks you can do in DirectShow just by accessing the scene graph with GraphEdit)
Unfortunately, most people seem more interested in demanding obscure playback modules in MPlayer, rather then looking at the problem from an abstracted view.
(OGRE [sourceforge.net] takes the same approach for 3D engines, but people would still rather look at Crystal Space. le sigh.)
Absolutely correct! (Score:2)
Yes, that's the point! xine [xinehq.de] for KDE, and GStreamer [gstreamer.net] for Gnome are trying to implement precisely the same idea: have a generic multimedia infrastructure, and let any arbitrary application to make calls to it if it wants to play an A/V file.
I agree, this is a far better approach than the monolithic player offered by other applications.
DV and Mandrake (Score:2, Informative)
I don't know if it is possibly to add icons automagically, but I guess it would be. No idea how to do it though?
Mads Bondo Dydensborg
Broadcast Quality (Score:4, Informative)
I am starting to write something [slashdot.org] for this myself but I would like to know how close we are to actually achieving this aim. I have looked at several of the packages on offer such as KDENLIVE [sourceforge.net] and Cinelerra [freshmeat.net] but none of them are what I would call studio ready.
Well I keep hoping.
Re:Broadcast Quality (Score:2)
Re:Broadcast Quality (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Broadcast Quality (Score:2)
Apple's Legal Department (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Apple's Legal Department (Score:1)
The problem is always the codec used to encode the data - but if you've come up with a codec that doesn't infringe anyone's patents, why/how should they care? The problem is that to date, nobody in the OSS world has done so.
Re:Apple's Legal Department (Score:1)
Well, in that case, I suggest we wrap this [berkeley.edu] with quicktime.
Then we'll have the OSS QT codec everyone wants. Not to mention lossless video that's still compressed better than sound has ever been. Sweet.
Re:Apple's Legal Department (Score:2)
Ogg Theora is free software that you can use without needing to pay royalties. It's based on VP3, and the VP3 patent owners have given up their patent rights so Theora can be fully free. (And I hope good things will happen to them as a reward.)
Theora hasn't hit 1.0 yet; the current, alpha-quality release is the first milestone release. Plans are to release a beta in March 2003 and the final 1.0 in June 2003.
http://www.theora.org/ [theora.org]
steveha
Re:Apple's Legal Department (Score:2)
Re:Apple's Legal Department (Score:3, Insightful)
This is the trouble with the current corporations, they seem to wait for someone else to create the market and then muscle their way in. The danger here I believe is losing out on the market and have some other company (or group) gain the share. Of course the alternative is to sue potential competitor out of existence...
StarTux
"auto-split" is why! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:"auto-split" is why! (Score:1)
Kino experiences (Score:5, Informative)
After some work setting it up, everything worked surprisingly well. DV capture (from a Sony TRV-950) was painless and the editing went pretty smoothly. I ended up having to create a separate audio track to dub over the entire video. It was at that point that I discovered a bug in Kino's dubbing feature. Because of the way audio was handled, there was a progressive desynchronization of the audio and video. The good news is that after posting some messages on their forum, the issue got fixed in the CVS (and I presume the new version incorporates the fix).
I've been exporting the finished product (several gigs of DV) to VCD, and the results have been very satisfactory. All in all, anyone who wants to try editing DV video in Linux should at least give Kino a good try- the interface is clean and relatively intuitive and I was able to figure things out without a lot of trouble. Before using Kino, my only experience had been a little work with Pinnacle Studio 7.0.
4GB file limit long fixed (Score:3, Informative)
Re:4GB file limit long fixed (Score:2)
In fact, Apple's own Quicktime framework cannot handle >4GB AVI files on Windows!
I learned this the hard way when trying to compress a 6GB AVI file to Quicktime. The encoder did the worst thing possible - not only did it chop off the video as it went past the 4GB mark, it didn't give any kind of warning or error message either!
Wait for 6.1 (Score:2)
Re:Kino experiences (Score:2, Interesting)
I was able to show of with pride to my Mac coworkers who work with Final Cut Pro. They were impressed that I got DV working under GNU/Linux, but couldn't understand why I went to the trouble when FCP runs so well on Mac OS X.
Re:Kino experiences (Score:2, Informative)
quicktime?? (Score:4, Interesting)
its very nice to have so many options available, especially on linux now. i have been using crossover plugin to play quicktime movies on my linux box but now ill be able to play them native.
good work.
Re:quicktime?? (Score:2, Informative)
-Adam
Re:quicktime?? (Score:2)
Cinelerra misses one key thing though..... (Score:1)
You can actuall do that with Xine (Score:2)
Not to mention that it plays any multimedia format, including DVD, SVCD, DivX...
Re:You can actuall do that with Xine (Score:1)
Of course (Score:3, Insightful)
In Debian is basically:
apt-get install qt6codecs
If you have:
deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main
in your sources.list.
BTW: why the parent was moderated "funny"?
Why the fuck (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Why the fuck (Score:5, Informative)
shut up about DivX! (Score:4, Informative)
1: When editing video you want the LEAST compression possible. BIG files are a PLUS. That's why this guy uses DV encoded files, it's the same compression done by his camera, so he loses nothing while capturing and editing.
2: QuickTime isn't a compression, not even a file format, it's a software architecture. When he picked his camera, the choice of compression was made for him (DV), and when he chose the NLE (Cinestream), the file format was fixed (mov, quicktime's native format)
This isn't about viewing video clips on the 'net, for that he'd reencode as MPEG4 after having his master tape.
Not for analog video (Score:3, Informative)
Analog sources such as those supported by Video4Linux are not supported.
There is a V4L tab in Kino, but it is highly experimental.
Re:Not for analog video (Score:1)
Mads Bondo Dydensborg
Cinelerra (Score:1)
And Moderators, this isn't OT - Cinelerra is a video editing tool.
Ex-Quicktime programmer needs to Pro Edit (Score:3, Interesting)
I used Quicktime 4 as a porting layer to convert 7 man-years of Macintosh code to Windows 98. You can see some info and screenshots of the working application (a color pallette, and a layout for a school placement test)here [telebody.com].
This was a wild, unsupported, dumb, nervewracking adventure that taught me a lot about Quicktime (which has of course continued to grow and is may be a different cat with Mac OS X for all I know). When it worked well (when the libraries really existed, not just saying they were there) huge chunks of code would just start working which was also fun.
Quicktime for Windows brought a lot of the Macintosh toolbox calls, things you would think are part of the Mac OS, into Windows so you could call a huge number of them and they would work just like the Apple documentation said. I was able to use the Mac resource files after hacking some endian things and the Quicktime fonts looked much better than the Windows functions then too.
Anyway it was amazing how Quicktime appeared to be a trojan to put half the MacOS into Windows but I guess Quicktime needed it all. If it was rewritten to run on BSD maybe we could enjoy Quicktime as a programming paradigm in Linux too.
Since the software I was porting was a cross between Quark XPress and Adobe Illustrator (VXAStar, a layout program for "Shashoku" traditional analog printing press companies in Japan) it didn't need it but I even had a thing that could play movies in it. Quicktime is great because it was a whole integrated way of thinking about any kind of media, it was an API written by thoughtful people. So the API included things like knowledge about different color spaces, new audio codecs that might come out, and so on. So if your app would support Quicktime you could handle professional quality data (close to a megabyte per frame) or anything else.
I haven't done programming for Linux video or Quicktime recently either so I don't know and most likely things have changed though I still have a copy of some of heroinewarrior's first stuff :), so I don't mean to disparage anything that may be out there. But I was developing this software while in a small NLE studio, a guy who had built his own Mac-based finicky NLE suite with an external RAID array.
If you want to encode Sorenson for the web, we just need to be able to buy a Sorenson codec binary for linux.
If you want to do studio work you probably will have a standalone system which is only used for that, with maybe hard disks partitioned with big blocks. The Mac (Premiere) system I saw was immensely powerful, like a Quantum Paintbox you could do photoshop or work in other programs then render it to disk, the biggest problems were:
1) explaining to the customer what is possible, since you could do anything even just with AfterEffects, like creating clouds from nothing or rendering video in lots of layers.
2) finickiness (don't install anything else on that machine and even so it might crash sometimes.. this was an 860AV I believe),
3) you need to buy/steal a betamax deck (though we dreamed of going to DV then) and the RAID could only hold so much,
4) rendering time was quick usually but you still had to provide a couch for the customer to fall asleep on at points (when many layers were used). Also
5) You must use a very expensive, very fragile video board to get professional-quality video into the machine, just knowing all about them is a whole field of study and detective work.
6) from a project I did last year I can tell you that using tapes from unknown sources is sheer hell and inevitably involves lots of cable swapping and signal testing. If DVD regionality and PAL/SECAM encoding can be handled through software (say write a DVD at the end of the session, though most places will want Pro DV tapes or Beta.. digital betacam being almost nonexistent in Japan) then you may see studios putting Linux boxes in the corner of the room for the "just in case" when you really need it.
Now we seem to be there completely hardware-wise, but I doubt a linux software suite could be put together that could do as much yet (though maybe the film gimp would give AfterEffects a run for the money, I haven't tried it). It is completely conceivable that you could get pretty far with a few RAID arrays, a fast machine with tons of memory, and a pro DV deck. Maybe everyone is still buying avids but if analog starts working watch out!
As I'm writing this I am sitting on 20 hours of DVCAM tapes and thinking about how to get an editting system set up.. to produce a few professional-quality tapes for sale. At the moment I am thinking of getting a small pro DV deck and dumping them into a couple of hard disks first, then trying out the software mentioned in this post. If anyone has any recommendations (no special hardware, I'll just at the end either print to another DV or DVD and from there to a Beta deck at a lab) I'd be grateful.
Matt
Re:Ex-Quicktime programmer needs to Pro Edit (Score:2)
My experiences with Kino... (Score:3, Informative)
Kino is still missing the (in layman's terms) "parallel track" view of more than one video track that will let you to move stuff from one track to the other with the flick of the mouse; the problem is trying to do an "L"-cut (sound from frame A continues into frame B for a while) with Kino. Once that is taken care of, you will be able to do the most basic forms of editing with no problem.
This is still no match for the stupidest Windows programs out there -- video just isn't there yet on Linux -- but given that Cinellera crashes about once every ten minutes, Kino looks like our best hope so far to at least get something done.
Re:Linux FUD (Score:1)
The facts are that some people just don't understand a parody, and can't tell the difference between a joke and FUD.
Re:Linux FUD (Score:2, Informative)