Phoenix and Minotaur Get New Names 485
blazerw11 writes "Phoenix and Minotaur
have been officially renamed to Firebird for the browser and Thunderbird for the mail client. Interestingly, they're both named after cars I often see in my neighbors' lawns. At least these cars were pretty fast before they were put up on cinder blocks. Personally, I like the names and the browser is great. I'm writing this with one of the last Phoenix Nightlies."
wOOt! (Score:4, Funny)
in related news... (Score:4, Funny)
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Netscape Navigator -> Lincoln Navigator
Internet Explorer -> Ford Explorer
Lynx -> Mercury Lynx
Mozilla Firebird -> Pontiac Firebird
Mozilla Thunderbird -> Ford Thunderbird
Hmmmm...all Ford products with the exception of Firebird. Maybe they should've picked 'Mustang'.
Re:in related news... (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, wait - Triumph made a motorbike called a Thunderbird back in the sixties. I seem to remember calling it the thunderbox, though - it really wasn't up to the standard of many of their other bikes.
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Why Pinto?
WHY NOT!!!
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They were originally designed for the smaller more powerful rotary engines that crapped out at 20,000 miles (this was discovered late in the cars designing. The V6 they tossed in didn't cut it like it should of.
The weight problem led to not very good performance and bad fuel economy so the car was neither sporty or economy.
It is one of the cars that blesses the pages of a book on auto lemons I own (as does the Pinto due to it's tendancy
a great compact browser (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:a great compact browser (Score:4, Interesting)
--Dan
www.doxpara.com
Compress it with UPX (Score:5, Informative)
Re:a great compact browser (Score:2)
ghostzilla (Score:2, Informative)
It will do cool things like open inside existing windows in greyscale with images only shown on mouseover, and it will disappear when you mouse leaves its area on to come back with a flick of the wrist. If you don't need precautions that serious, it has lesser settings of para
Request. (Score:5, Insightful)
Quit renaming all the browsers! Every time I recommend them to a friend or coworker, the name changes and they get confused.
Re:Request. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Request. (Score:3, Informative)
You don't recommend them very much, do you?
Netscape was "re-named" to Mozilla--which, in a way, is just publicizing the name it always had.
"Gecko" has always been the Mozilla render engine.
"Phoenix" stared out as "Phoenix" as "micro-Mozilla", and we've known for, oh, six months or so that it had to be re-named.
Minotaur is almost brand'spankin' new--and every mention I've seen
Re:Request. (Score:4, Interesting)
I think there's a need for a "naming software projects HOWTO", covering:
Re:Request. (Score:3, Insightful)
If the name you're thinking of is directly pulled from a scifi or fantasy source, don't bother. These sources are WAY overrepresented as naming sources in software. Not only are your chances of coming up with something original pretty small, most of the names of characters and places in scifi are trademarked and you run the risk of being sued.
If the name you're thinking of comes straight from Greek, Roman or Norse mythology, try again. We've got more than enough mail
(It would help with branding + IE war) Re:Request (Score:5, Insightful)
Not only would your friends know what you are talking about, but so would mine and everyone elses. When you say Internet Explorer, everyone knows what you are talking about, right?
I think people behind Mozilla should learn and adopt this simple 'trick' from Microsoft if they want Mozilla/Phoenix/Firebird to become more popular.
I would love to see the percentage of visitors using Mozilla go up in my access_log, and the percentage of IE go down. Both Mozilla and Pheonix deserve it.
Bloody Codenames! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:2)
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:3, Informative)
We use both Firebird and Phoenix at the office. Now, we're gonna have to start calling them "Open Interbase" and "Mozilla Junior" or something.
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:4, Informative)
What your talking about though is codenames. Those are supposed to change once the product is released. Excuse me if i'm wrong, but Pheonix wasn't a code name, It was a product name.
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:2, Informative)
Something similar happened with the Chimera browser too, I think.
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:2)
Re:Bloody Codenames! (Score:5, Funny)
These names are getting cruder and cruder... Pretty soon we will see the new "Largenuts" northbridge and the "Bigcock" processor to go with it.
Maybe it's just me that's getting cruder?
What about... (Score:3, Funny)
And we can call the IRC client ChunderWord, because that's basically the point of IRC chat.
(to "chunder" is to vomit)
Re:What about... (Score:5, Funny)
Do you really think we need more subliminal suggestions of "Firenerd" in this economy?
Unity in the product line (Score:2, Insightful)
But I guess they already had a theme going with fantasy creatures to begin with. I wonder where it will go.
"Phoenix" joins the Browser Relocation Program (Score:5, Funny)
well (Score:2)
camino
firebird
Why... (Score:5, Funny)
Chimera renamed to Camino (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Chimera renamed to Camino (Score:5, Funny)
Kelso:
But it's an El Camino! Thats Spanish for "The Camino!"
"Firebird" is also taken (Score:5, Informative)
These folks must not have looked very hard if they thought "Firebird" was a name with no conflicts in the open-source world. Firebird SQL is on SourceForge, a pretty obvious place to look.
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:5, Informative)
As for a quasi-obscure DB? I think that a server side app and a web browser are easily differentiable. You can't download a database to view web pages and you can't do SELECTs on a web browser. And afaik they don't own the trademark. So I really don't think that it's that significant of a change.
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:5, Funny)
Speak for yourself.
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:2, Informative)
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Question is (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Question is (Score:5, Funny)
(laugh, it's a joke
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:5, Informative)
Mozilla's Firebird browser isn't going to be confused with a relational database. Trademark onflicts only arise when there is customer confusion.
--Asa
Given windows market share... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:4, Informative)
There's a company that makes a web-browser called Phoenix, I believe for embedded systems.
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:4, Interesting)
The company that primarily exists to support and improve Firebird and which employs many ex-Borland people (including the inventor of Interbase) is called IBPhoenix [ibphoenix.com].
Dave
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:3, Informative)
I might knock up a Firebird software theme
Re:"Firebird" is also taken (Score:3, Funny)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Firebird already taken? (Score:2)
given that Phoenix (go Phoenix, you rock) is changing its name because of a perceived conflict with some other non-browser stuff, isn't it ironic that Firebird is also already taken?
Re:Firebird already taken? (Score:2)
Re:Firebird already taken? (Score:2)
Re:Firebird already taken? (Score:2)
Why not Volvo XC90 or something? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Why not Volvo XC90 or something? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe, in the past, but new Thunderbird [fordvehicles.com] looks very nice, and is very classy. I'd take that over most Volvos.
Mozilla variants = Classic Cars. (Score:2)
Now we have Firebirds and Caminos...is this going to become a trend?
Screenshots (Score:2, Funny)
Firebird [musclecar-logbook.net]
Thunderbird [musclecar-logbook.net]
Why not.... (Score:2, Interesting)
After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
Plus that way they can get totally clueless joe six-packs to download thinking they are upgrading their IE,
Wow imagine the user base generated by that ?
More open source confusion (Score:2)
Originally open sourced by Borland (commercial name interbase).
NEW NAMES!!!! WHEEEE! (Score:2)
I run phoenix on all my x86 machines, and Chimera on my mac, but damnit!
The .5 release is incompatable with the new nightlies themes and extentions. The buttons don't work right, and the bookmark toolbar dies on every install. I believe the nightly I have has a mem leak, as it will get up to 60 megs, and I'll have to end the process.
I can't spread the joy of Firebird until I *kno
I should shut my pie hole. (Score:4, Informative)
And to further prove I'm a retread, here [mozdev.org] is the page for whiny bitch windows users like me to install a choice of nightlies.
I'll go stand in the corner.
Heck if they go for car names (Score:2, Funny)
Like, for example, Murcielago, which Car and Driver must have spent half a page telling people "This is how to pronounce this car's name."
And then you have citeroen and peugeot, which is pervasive, but still not easy to pronounce (correctly).
I mean, after commiting half an hour on the name alone, you are too invested (time wise) in the product to ever go anywhere else. I think that's how windows grab customers -
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
In another surprise sequence of events, GCC was renamed GNU Caprice Classic and Emacs was renamed Pontiac Catalina.
Apparently as part of an prior agreement, the Chevy Tahoe was immediately renamed the GNU/Chevy Tahoe.
- Eric
Firebird, as in... (Score:3, Insightful)
Honestly, as much as I admire the work these folks do, I have to wonder how one medium-to-high-profile open-source project can decide to use the name of another.
It's not like there aren't other good poetic variations on the Phoenix theme.
Re:Firebird, as in... (Score:5, Informative)
Mozilla's Firebird browser is not going to be confused with a relational database. Without customer confusion, there isn't a trademark problem.
--Asa
Re:Firebird, as in... (Score:3, Insightful)
Mozilla's Firebird browser is not going to be confused with a relational database. Without customer confusion, there isn't a trademark problem.
Ok, what's with you boneheads who keep bringing up trademarks??? Did the original poster mention anything about trademarks? What about a modicum of respect? What about when (Linux or BSD) distributions have to choose a unique package name for installed software? Who gets "firebird"?
Seriously, what would you think if MySQL renamed itself to Mozilla? Huh? Would y
Re:Firebird, as in... (Score:3)
I'll still use it though!
Wasn't AMD naming their chips after cars too? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Wasn't AMD naming their chips after cars too? (Score:3, Informative)
Thunderbird Ghetto Wine (Score:2, Funny)
Car Names. (Score:5, Funny)
Joy.
What about Composer? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What about Composer? (Score:5, Informative)
Anyone Else? (Score:2)
Thunderbird car? No, Thunderbird wine! (Score:2)
Drink up! [time.com]
Does this mean.... (Score:4, Funny)
New graphics needed (Score:3, Insightful)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c
Phoenix had to be renamed? (Score:4, Funny)
moto? (Score:5, Interesting)
while looking around phoenix (Score:3, Interesting)
I have noticed that RadialContext [mozdev.org], which is probably the best thing that happened to browsers since the mouse, is now available for Phoenix, or Thunderbird, or whatever.
A little note on that is you can change all the skins to pngs (do a global replace on the sript files) and lower the opacity to like 70% or so. suddenly you've got transparenty menus! Looks sweet as all heck.
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
*rimshot*
Under threat of legal action (Score:4, Funny)
In response the team will rename the Mozilla-based browser and email clients in the next release. In following with their current Greek theme, the team has been throwing around the names Muse [musecorp.com] for the browser and Pegasus [pmail.com] for Email.
Team members have a good "gut feeling" these names will not be confused with existing commercial products or trademarks.
Idiots using duplicate names (Score:3, Interesting)
A plea for (phoenix|firebird)-i586 binaries (Score:4, Insightful)
The bummer is that both milestone and daily builds are -i686 binaries. Someone else filed a bugzilla ticket on this in December. I guess we can just vote for it and hope that the mozilla.org folks find the time to do a -i586 build, too.
Re:A plea for (phoenix|firebird)-i586 binaries (Score:3, Insightful)
Come on, people, just one little 800 byte HTML file?
cvs -d
password is "foobar"
cvs -z3 -d
cd phoenix
CC=/where/I/put/gcc-3.2
make
If you can't build this thing in 10 steps or les
Firebird, Thunderbird, and Camino? (Score:3, Funny)
In other (redundant) news... (Score:3, Funny)
Thanks for the NEW Naming Confusion (Score:3, Insightful)
In this case, they've given it the same name as Interbase's open-source flavor.
I mean, it's plainly there on SourceForge... not like it couldn't have been researched.
http://firebird.sourceforge.net/
http://www.ib
Firebird already taken (Score:3, Insightful)
See http://firebird.sourceforge.net. Geez, how rude.
Shades of Harry Potter (Score:3, Interesting)
The first Harry Potter book was the Philosopher's stone everywhere except the US, where it was the Sorcerer's stone. Phoenix, a mythical bird that consumed itself with fire, has been replaced with...firebird. Minotaur, a half man/half bull has been replaced with...thunderbird???
Seems like most of these name changes involve a dumbing down of the name. There are other examples around too. The question then, is WHY???
Re:Umm... (Score:2)
Course, it might just be a slow news day ^^ (j/k).
Either way, the editors do have a strange notion of what constitutes as news, but who am
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No.... (Score:2)
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