Lucas Returning to Digital Animation 261
deadwood writes "It seems Lucas is creating a Digital Animation studio as a subsidiary of ILM, according
to this Yahoo! article.
Lucasfilm Animation is created roughly 17 years after George Lucas sold Pixar to Steve Jobs. I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?"
Lucasfilm Animation is created roughly 17 years after George Lucas sold Pixar to Steve Jobs. I wonder if Episode VII-IX would be a good choice as first projects?"
let me answer that for you (Score:5, Funny)
Let me answer that for you... No.
Why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
Lucas is just learning: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Lucas is just learning: (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah... because to get truely wooden performances, you need puppets.
Maybe Lucas should switch to making movies with no characters in them whatsoever. He can then dispense with his really awful dialog. Stick to "Triumph of the Will" like marching scenes and space ships blowing up, George.
Re:Lucas is just learning: (Score:2)
You haven't seen UFO or Space 1999 have you?
Ah, but Zienia Merton was a cutie.
Re:Lucas is just learning: (Score:2)
Probably he saw Thunderbirds first:
http://www.thunderbirdsonline.co.uk [thunderbirdsonline.co.uk]
Interestingly enough Gerry Anderson later used similar
Super-Marionation techniques for those other series:
http://www.tvcentury21.com/personnel/c21-con-sat-e xhibition.html [tvcentury21.com]
Google cached Here [216.239.53.104]
Re:Why not? (Score:2)
Sure it would - they would be, well, animated. As opposed to the plethora of wooden zombies in I and II, at least it would be *something*.
So it seems he likes the delivery to be either deadpan or goofy. At least if they were all animated he would have to do less rework to turn them into a cartoon on Nickelodeon or whatever else
Because (Score:2)
Further Episodes (Score:4, Interesting)
Aside from, "No", IIRC George Lucas has dismissed doing the later episodes, as they have already been extensively explored in books. If you haven't noticed, the books on the Star Wars movie episodes follow the film to market, not precede it.
Imagine George changing the ending, in typical shitty Hollywood-fashion, of one book to make it into a movie and *fanfare* leave the ending in suspense! *raspberry* (For my money, Hollywood should STOP doing that and focus on films true to the original story.)
If To Kill a Mockingbird was filmed today, Atticus Finch would probably look like Rambo and be mowing the jury down with an AK47, a la Kill Mo' Mockingbird*, just because everyone (all those trapped in American Lit. classes or the three or four of us who liked the book and read it anway) already knows how it ended in the book.
* Reference to Bloom County
Re:Further Episodes (Score:2)
Re:let me answer that for you (Score:2)
Text of Article (Score:4, Informative)
Mon May 12, 6:21 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Following the path of Pixar Animation Studios, Dreamworks and other filmmakers, "Stars Wars" creator George Lucas (news) is forming a new group to make computer-animated films, a spokeswoman said on Monday.
The unit, called Lucasfilm Animation, is an offshoot of his special effects company, Industrial Light & Magic, that has been a pioneer in the field of digital effects and works on Lucas' own "Star Wars" films.
Lynne Hale, spokeswoman for his San Rafael, California-based Lucasfilm Ltd., said the new unit was "still in its beginning stages" and did not even have a project to talk about.
As a result, details were limited. Hale confirmed that Lucasfilm Animation will be formed from a nine-person team housed with Industrial Light & Magic. The new division will be headed by senior vice president Patty Blau.
Lucas is a vocal proponent of using digitally produced and computerized special effects in the movies. His companies have been active in designing new cameras for shooting digital films, and his most recent "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones" was shot in the digital format.
Until now, however, he has lacked a production company dedicated to making computerized animation movies such as "Shrek," "Monsters, Inc." or last year's "Ice Age."
Those three films have been smash hits with combined global ticket sales of $1.36 billion. On its own, "Monsters, Inc.," which was produced by Pixar and The Walt Disney Co., raked in $529 million in global ticket sales.
Lucas is no stranger to digital animation. Indeed, Pixar had been Lucasfilm's computer graphics division 17 years ago before Lucas sold it to Apple Computer's Steve Jobs (news - web sites) for $10 million.
Pixar now has a market capitalization of roughly $3.2 billion
Lucas, too, has tried to mount efforts to make digitally animated movies, such as a version of "Frankenstein" that was scrapped by Universal Pictures in 1999.
Re:Text of Article (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Text of Article (Score:2)
Why digital? (Score:5, Funny)
What has this country come to?
It's sad!
Re:Why digital? (Score:2, Insightful)
In fact a lot of drawing by hand is involved in CG films (Pixar, etc.)-- they do all of the initial design (characters, environments) on paper-- and they storyboard the whole movie out (complete with rough voice overs, sound, etc.) just like they do for most traditionally animated and even live action movies.
It's just another medium for artists to use.
Re:Why digital? (Score:5, Interesting)
Doing It By Hand (Score:2)
People can't do anything by hand anymore.
I can think of at least one thing Slashdotters can , and have to, do by hand...
Re:Doing It By Hand (Score:2)
Re:Why digital? (Score:2)
What got left behind was ineffeciency. Nobody WANTS to do much by hand anymore when they toil and struggle to animate true depth, gravity and flow to things like cloth and hair. Even Disney had actors dancing for Cinderella over which they sketched.
Computers can help with all that, but as any modern animation house knows, they don't make a good story or look on their own.
If what you are missing is the concept of physical labor over computer tweaking, then so be it. But don't be fooled into thinking no l
Re:Why digital? (Score:2, Interesting)
~Jon
Re:Why digital? (Score:2)
Re:Why digital? (Score:2)
I don't have any direct evidence to back it up, but I'll be floored if the Japanese didn't do it first.
Re:Why digital? (Score:2)
That's why it's four times faster to animate something digitally than it would be to do the same job by hand (five times faster if the animator uses their thumbs, too).
Re:Why digital? (Score:2)
Well, I tried drawing this reply on my monitor with a pencil, but for some reason the computer wouldn't remember it and I had to type it instead.
PLEASE NOOO!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Hasn't he done enough to us already???
duh (Score:5, Funny)
Atleast jar jar would be dead by Episode 7.
<obligatory jar jar joke>
Re:duh (Score:2, Funny)
Re:duh (Score:2)
Re:duh (Score:2, Funny)
Star Wars = 6 (Score:2, Funny)
I do hope he does though, or at least licences someone to.
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:5, Funny)
First, the second trilogy will be finished and then released on DVD, one at a time.
Second, the boxed set of the second trilogy.
Third, the special edition boxed set of the second trilogy.
Fourth, individual releases, one at a time, of the original trilogy ("enhanced" version, of course, don't expect to ever really get the original).
Fifth: The "combo" packs. You'll be able to buy special combo editions of ANH and ESB, or ESB and ROTJ, or ANH and ROTJ, but not all three.
Sixth, the boxed set of the original trilogy.
Seventh, the special edition boxed set will be simultaneously released with the re-release of the second trilogy which will have additional commentary and material that, by that point, no one will ever listen to.
Eighth, the "six pack" will be released.
Ninth, the special edition "six pack".
Tenth, the special edition "six pack" with extra commentary that, by that point, no one will ever listen to, and Jaba/Jar Jar bookends (that's right, a "true" fan will buy both the Jaba set and the Jar Jar set - don't call yourself a "real" Star Wars fan if you don't). Anticipated release date: May 21, 2020.
As for me, as soon as I buy a DVD recorder I'll be making DVD versions of the ORIGINAL tapes. Bastards. Han shot first, what's the big deal? PC morons.
Worst fear: Lucas will find a way to live on in some computer/mechanical fashion and keep making movies without any help.
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:5, Insightful)
Is that available on a XXXL Hanes T at thinkgeek?
That statement says worlds about Lucas, Hollywood, and America today.
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:2)
That's a good point. It would be trivial to put the original version on a different angle. You could choose which version you want to watch. Somehow I doubt GL ego will allow him to give the fans such an option when the DVDs eventually do come out.
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:3, Interesting)
Hrm, it would be trivial to rip these and burn to DVD...
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:2)
In your PC's Laserdisk drive?
Wouldn't you have to re-encode it?
Re:Star Wars = 6 (Score:2)
I can just see it (Score:5, Funny)
No worries about that (Score:3, Funny)
I think Lucas is effectively taking care of this evil alliance simply by making more movies. You know your movies suck when nobody on Kazaa wants them.
Nooo!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
In recent years however, he's rather been letting down his side of the bargain. I still gave him money, but he gave dross in return. It seems that most of the reason he's given me dross is because of an obsession with digital filmaking - looks like he's much more interested in the technology behind the film than in the film itself these days.
Bah. Bring back model-making and puppetry, and hire a decent set of writers...
Cheers,
Ian
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:5, Funny)
he's altering the deal. pray he doesn't alter it any further.
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Now, to my post.
There's something folks need to understand about Mr. Lucas. He makes films to satisfy his own desire to tell the stories he wants to tell and do it the way he wants to do it.. and if that just so happens to be something you like, then great... if not... well... George isn't going
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2)
Lotsa Pepsi endorsements brewing over a film created by a 'truely indpendent' director.
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2)
Never said nor implied that. What I am implying is that the Star Wars movies of late are marketing stunts. Not only are they timed to get the ever critical 'summer opening', but they also come out with a TON of merchandising that often precedes the release of the movie.
This isn't a matter of "oh you have to make no money to be a true independent", it's a matter of Lucas creating movies not from his heart, but from his wa
Have a look at this petition ... (Score:2)
I agree! And it's not too late to let him know either - everybody, take a look at this petition [originaltrilogy.com].
He has stated that in his eyes the special editions of episodes IV to VI are the official versions. This is totally insane! Let's have the Original Trilogy as well, after all it's more $$$ for you, Mr. Lucas!
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Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2)
Exactly (Score:2)
the first one is where anakin says something like "i hate sand, it's rough, it's coarse and it gets all over the place; not like you, your soft and smooth..."
the second part is when amidala falls out of the fighter towards the end when they're chasing dooku. when the shot returns and a trooper approaches to ask her if she's alright she's like "uhhhhh, yah....". and then all the sudd
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2)
George! George! I've got this GREAT hook for Episode III!
Re:Nooo!!! (Score:2)
Good deal (Score:2, Interesting)
Besides, you get to justify new computer stuff for your business.
Re:Good deal (Score:2)
Re:Good deal (Score:2)
Yoda? (Score:5, Funny)
Did Yoda write this post?
Dear God No! (Score:5, Insightful)
Dear god no! It wasn't the technology that was the problem with I, II (and, no-doubt, III), but piss-poor stories. It wouldn't have mattered if Lucas did I, II, III, VII, VIII, or IX as live action, animation, stick figures, a puppet show, or Kabuki theatre unless he has a plot that doesn't suck the sweat of a dead donkey's balls they'd still stink.
Re:Dear God No! (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not even that the concepts behind the stories were so bad. It's that the screenplay adaptions of the stories were absolutely horrid and the casting was worse (with a couple notable exceptions). Then, to make matters worse, Lucas decided to aim Episode I at youngsters in an attempt to capture the imagination of a new generation (via devices such as Jar Jar and the overly-long video-game-influenced pod racing scenes). However, in reality he not only failed at this, he also managed to upset a fairly large portion of his ever-aging fanbase.
The reason Pixar succeeds so well is simple. It's not because the stories are all that fabulous - because in reality they're pretty simple. It's because they're well written, have a great mix of humor/action/etc, and most of all, they have an awful lot of heart.
The best thing that could happen to this unit is for Lucas not to have any control over it. At this point in his career, he should stick to what he's good at, which is the technical side of film-making.
Re:Dear God No! (Score:2)
It wasn't the casting. ALL of the principle actors (with the exception of Jake Lloyd) have done some *very* good work in the past. Hence, for them all to suck as badly as they did, there really isn't any place to lay the blame other than the director.
The imcompetence necessary to ruin the performances of that many good actors so consistently is utterly mind-boggling.
Pixar stories. (Score:2)
Three words: For the Birds.
Star Lords, Attack of the Orcs (Score:2)
"The hour is later than you think young jedi -- the army of the dark side is massing and Sauron will control the senate!"
Count Duku and Saruman are the same character. It is distractingly painful.
Re:Star Lords, Attack of the Orcs (Score:2)
Re:Star Lords, Attack of the Orcs (Score:2)
Excellent point :-)
The similarities in plot devices between Attack of the Clones and the two towers are a little strange though. Magneto doesn't raise an army of clones/orcs for the Empire/Sauron.
The X-men don't have a showdown at Helm's Deep/that stupid desert arena. Yeah, they do have a sort-of showdown, but there's no "army" involved (military henchmen excepted).
They even have a good-guy trapped and tortured in Orthanc/Ducu's stronghold slowly revealing bad-guy plot thing happening. Xavier was
Re:Star Lords, Attack of the Orcs (Score:2)
I'm sure any kid over 8 would look on Lucas' work skeptically.
Not to say they wouldn't like it, they would just have playground arguments about how it was "unrealistic".
Re:Dear God No! (Score:2)
I don't know why people assume that the projects will be Star Wars related. ILM has created many independent shorts (more or less the wayPixar started) over the years. There was Synchonicity at SIGGRAPH 2000, and Work in Progress and The Moving Pyramid at SIGGRAPH 2001. The artists there work from time to time in their own little projects, as shown in the ILMajan session at SIGGRAPH 96. Heck, in the article you can se that they were working on the ill-fated Frankenstein and tried to do Curious George.
Yo
Re:Dear God No! (Score:2)
Problem being, Lucas then went and made Ep.2, and invalidated the Zahn trilogy.
In Zahn's trilogy, one of the main ideas is that the Clone Wars were started by some third party, and the Old Republic fought them off. Palpatine then started the shift into the Empire.
It goes from there, and I'll refrain from discussing to avoid spoiling anything for new readers, but the novels no longer make sense, thanks to Ep.2.
Lucas (Score:2, Informative)
Ep 7-9 came out like, 8 years ago... (Score:2)
From what the flaps of the book said, this was the official "lucas sanctioned" sequel to RotJ. For anyone that is interested in SW, these books are awesome, and the story is light y
Re:Ep 7-9 came out like, 8 years ago... (Score:2)
Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command, followed by a bunch of CRAP from various people, such as the Jedi Search trilogy. Then, Zahn came back with Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future, where he attempted to FIX the entire run of novels. Then, they moved forward about ten years, went into the 'Expanded Universe' era with the Solo kids a bit more grown up, and a brand new menace from outside the Galaxy comes in.....
All the CG in the world... (Score:5, Insightful)
You could have done Monsters, Inc with sock puppets and it still would have been entertaining.
Lucas hasn't recently shown that he can deliver the plots and characters that are necessary to make an animated film work.
Great - Just What We Need (Score:5, Funny)
Luke: Hey, everybody!
New Republic Senate: Luke!
(Luke walks up to the bar. Leia is standing behind it.)
Leia: Hey, Luke. How was work today? (He pours him a cup of coffee and pulls 2 cinnamon buns from her hair.)
Luke: Same old. Showed up, got tempted by the Dark Side, and my Dad kept going on about how when he was my age, he was already married with two unknown children out there.
Leia: (Rolls her eyes to the laugh track.) I think he just wants to become a grandfather before the Glowing Blue Light fades away.
(The bar door opens. The audience cheers as Han Solo walks into the room.)
Han: Heyyyy! (He hits the jukebox with a fist, making a holo-projector of dancing aliens appear.) Has anybody seen my blaster? (He pulls out a walkie-talkie from his side pocket.) I woke up in the Millenium Falcon with this strapped to my side.
Leia: I did that - you never call me when you're suppose to. I swear, you and that Wookie are having some weird love affair behind my back.
Han: How did you know? I mean, that's just silly, even though his fur is as soft as silk, and.... (He clears his throat.) Anyway, I brought you a present.
Leia: Another gold bikini?
Han: No... (He opens the door. There stands the former Queen/Senator/Love Puppy to Darth Vader - Amidala!)
Leia/Luke: Mom? We thought you were dead!
Amidala: No, your father had me frozen in carbonite, hoping to come back to me someday when the Emporer was dead.
Han: You could say she was naked and petrified.
(Laugh track and the audience goes "ahhhh" as Luke/Leia/Amidala/Han hug.)
Big titles: In Episode VIII, watch as C3PO remembers that he was made by Anakin, and could have saved everybody a lot of time by telling Uncle Owen and Luke Skywalker where he came from!
Now, imagine this animated. Scary, huh?
Re:Great - Just What We Need (Score:2)
Only on Slashdot would Amidala naked and petrified be funny, and many here don't even remember why.
Re:Great - Just What We Need (Score:2)
"Han: You could say she was naked and petrified."
Excellent use of slashdot history.
I had a dangerous thought right now .. (Score:3, Funny)
Howard The Duck (Score:5, Funny)
A more in-depth article at LA Times. (Score:5, Informative)
While people are busy grousing about Star Wars, there's plenty of other material Lucas already has access to that would make a great movie. Anyone who has played the LucasArts adventure game Grim Fandango [lucasarts.com] would agree it would make a kickass feature film. Glottis > Shrek. ;)
ILM animated short... (Score:2)
Re:ILM animated short... (Score:2)
Ninja! (Score:3, Funny)
The plural for Ninja is Ninja
ex:
Fish:Fish
Lego:Lego
Ninja:Ninja
As punishment, you must sing the Ninja song!
Re:Ninja! (Score:2)
or, as the count would say:
one lego building block, ha ha ha
two, two lego building blocks, ha ha ha
three, three lego building blocks, ha ha ha
Very slightly off-topic joke (Score:5, Funny)
One is a business producing huge profits out of nothing but smoke and mirrors. The other is the world's leading cinematic special effects company.
Tired of the Ep 1/2 complaints. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm also quite tired of the people who bitch about how great the first trilogy was and how boring/stupid the second trilogy is turning out to be. Look, Star Wars (the first one) was not that great a movie. But we loved it anyway, because it was cool. Empire was darker, and we loved it too. Jedi had Ewoks, and they were annoyingly cute, but we still loved the damn movie! Why? Because it was still really damn cool!
Now I will grant you that Jar-Jar got a little anoying at times, but on the whole, Episode 1 and 2 were damn cool movies. So what if Anakin and Jar-Jar bumbled their way through to victories in Ep1? They were not the stars of movie, folks. The stars showed up to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and they found they were all out of bubble gum. Although Qui-Gon found a piece right there at the end, and that was a bit disappointing.
So, to those who think Ep1 and Ep2 somehow sullied their memories of the original trilogy, I say go watch the trilogy again. I mean, really watch it. Watch all the bad acting and bumbled lines. Watch the melodrama and sap. Watch the forced and often unfunny humor given us through the C3PO/R2D2 banter. And then go enjoy Episodes 1 and 2 for what they are: damn cool action flicks.
Re:Tired of the Ep 1/2 complaints. (Score:3, Insightful)
The acting is worse then the first three. Considering the first three had mark hamill, thats saying somthing.
He changed the universe. Thats bad story telling. It's his universe to change, but that doesn't make it good story telling.
The dialog. 4,5,6, all had quotable dialog. 1,2 did not.
1,2 pail compared to other action flicks. I think this is very important. 4 was the action flick of its time. 5,6 some what so.
Re:Tired of the Ep 1/2 complaints. (Score:2)
Come on! Mark Hamill is ideally suited to play the clueless farmboy. His range may not extend much beyond that, but can you think of anyone better?
Actually, I'd prefer Lucas use more models (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Actually, I'd prefer Lucas use more models (Score:2)
You do know that both Prequel movies were two of the biggest model shots in ILM history right? Except for Lucas insistence on the CG clone troopers it was up to the supervisors to come up with the best approach. Not convinced? Read this (or the Cinefex article among other things):
Brave New Worlds [theasc.com]
Re:Actually, I'd prefer Lucas use more models (Score:2)
Where "Star Wars" should go next.... (Score:2, Interesting)
That follows the ups and downs of a tramp freighter captain and his crew...
It'd be cool cause we'd see all the planets and homeworlds of the various races....
The question would be "when" it should take place. Personally, I think immediately after ROTJ. When the galaxy is in chaos....
Regarding episodes 7-9 (Score:2, Interesting)
Probably not as first projects, it's like handing an extremely important contract to the 17-year old trainee (who happens to be the son of the company's chairman).
Regardless of if the last three episodes are to be made into films or not (I predict that they will... eventually at least). I remember reading books which purported to continue the films' plotline (there was a renegade Empire general, and a jedi training camp, and Leia had
Re:Regarding episodes 7-9 (Score:2)
They were excellent - easily THE best of all the post-Ep6 books written to date, and the only ones to come up with anything remotely interesting and new (his other pair of SW books toward the end of that timeline are also damned good - actually resolving the Empire thing and pointing things off in a new direction - sadly no other authors had the courage to work with this).
The books are offic
Not Even Going to Read /. Posts (Score:2)
But now... (Score:2, Funny)
Pixar does exactly what Lucas can't, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
Think of that first short with the lamp, way back -- who'd have thought they could make it so expressive? Or all those birds on the line; they all look alike, but the little character touches set each one apart.
George Lucas, on the other hand, can have someone like Samuel L. Jackson in a movie and make him deeply boring -- even as a Jedi Freakin' Knight! Does anyone think Lucas improves his actors? Anyone? Does he direct for nice little character touches??
What George wants this splinter company to do is make huge, distractingly detailed landscapes and gratuitously gigantic battle scenes. Take a look at the battle at the end of Episode II; that's what he thinks computer animation is about. He's as bad with character touches as any director out there.
Lucas=overrated (Score:3, Insightful)
face it, he's embarrassing himself...
I guess on the positive side, maybe he'll hire some animation people that can create something of actual worth. alas he'll probably produce blatant (and stupendously inferior)pixar ripoffs....
yaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn
ok, flame away
Re:Lucas=overrated (Score:2, Insightful)
We love some of his work, you can argue he captured a zeigiest (sp) or something, but his track record is pretty skimpy the past decade o
Re:Lucas=overrated (Score:2)
but holey smokes, the last two star wars were legacy killers....
so.. (Score:2)
So now the additional 2 dimensions can be added to the characters, cool. Mee-sa likee.
What? Episodes I-II were already animated. (Score:2)
No Vision? (Score:2)
why Lucas sold Pixar (Score:4, Informative)
Crossing our series, CmdrTaco? (Score:2)
Re:For the love of Yoda (Score:2, Funny)