The Soldier is the Network 278
Roland Piquepaille writes "This article from InfoWorld says that "in the battle of the future, the helmet becomes a data retrieval device." It describes a scenario where soldiers are equipped with sensors and other networking equipment. "Each person is a network with routing capability to everyone else," says Peter Marcotullio, director of development at SRI International. This technology should be available in five years for the military, which probably means that we'll become networks ourselves ten years from now. Check this column for a summary. Please note that this article is part of a special report called "From the battlefield to the enterprise" which looks at why some key technologies -- deployed on a massive scale in Afghanistan and Iraq -- may hold promise for corporate IT."
soldier network (Score:2, Funny)
Mesh Networking (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Mesh Networking (Score:5, Insightful)
Other tech from the battlefield to the enterprise. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:5, Insightful)
providing the operator with sixty rounds of available firepower right on the weapon.
So American cops reguarly need to shoot 60 people without the inceonvenient delay of a reload? Blimey, it must be like living in a war zone over there.
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:5, Funny)
You misunderstand the special and dramatic needs of Drug law enforcement officers. It isn't a matter of 60 people, it's just a matter of sometimes, they really need to shoot one person 60 times very quickly. After all, think of the horrors that could happen if they only shot them 30 times; some of the people these brave officers are up against are armed with wallets. God knows what the druggies could do if they were only shot 10 or 20 times in quick succession by an unmarked officer busting into their house in the middle of the night with no explanation. They could retaliate. Do you want to put policemen in the line of danger like that?
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:5, Insightful)
60 people? No. Try to stop a car by shooting out the tires/engine? Yes. Also, remember "law enforcement" covers SWAT teams; using 3-round bursts, this will give you 20 pulls of the trigger before it needs to be reloaded. Still a bit excessive for most situations - but better to have too many rounds than to be first into a drug den, and be up against 11 people with only enough to take out 10...
Blimey, it must be like living in a war zone over there.
Not from what I've seen - and no, the police don't carry these things on patrol! They just have a lot of stuff "just in case", for dealing with really serious problems. Everything from adapted tanks for breaking down doors, to helicopters for chasing getaway cars without endangering other traffic.
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:5, Insightful)
Here in the US, we're pretty generous with our "bullet to person" ratio, so 60 bullets does not imply anywhere close to 60 people. I mean, seriously, even when running with the counterstrike cheats, nobody's that good.
P.S. Last time I was in England, we couldn't find a trash can anywhere. They had mostly been removed because of the possiblity that someone would leave a bomb in one. How's that war zone thing going with you guys?
Re:Other tech from the battlefield to the enterpri (Score:4, Insightful)
This will be the end of a long tradition (Score:5, Funny)
Helmet...?!! (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm starting to see scenes from 'Spaceballs'...
Spaceballs? Try Star Wars... (Score:3, Interesting)
Is it just me being paranoid, or does the "soldier of the future" [rednova.com] in this picture look like an Imperial stormtrooper?
What's next, Dick Cheney on a respirator with a black helmet?
Health concerns (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Health concerns (Score:5, Insightful)
You bring up a very good point. But, when has any military (US or otherwise) really cared about the long-term welfare of its soldiers?
Look at the evidence over the years: soldiers acting as guinea pigs during the post World War II atomic bomb tests, chemical stimulants used on US soldiers in Vietnam (and bromide tea given to troops in World War I), antitodes that have lead to serious side-effects being administered during the first Gulf War, who knows how many instances of post-traumatic stress disorder, etc.
It has been said that war is a continuation of politics by other means. Politicians aren't exactly reknowned for looking beyond the short-term, and the use (or, more accurately, misuse) of soldiers throughout the ages is fact, not fiction.
Re:Health concerns (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, why not put the antenna on top of the helmet? The helmet than then incorporate a layer of RF shielding. (It's already got layers of protection against shrapnel.
Re:Health concerns (Score:2)
Re:Health concerns (Score:3, Insightful)
This is the same sort of question as "Do cell-phones cause brain cancer". We have a lot of experimental data on this, with few answers.
The impact of RF on biological systems has been controversial for a very long time. Some studies have shown that there is an effect, however reproducability is very poor, and the issue is still under study with no clear-cut answer available. Surely any logical perso
I see some problems with this (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I see some problems with this (Score:5, Informative)
They don't have a bandwidth problem, CNN, FOX.. et. al have a bandwidth problem. The Military bought all the commercial sat times for the war. It was very cost effective. They have enough bandwidth using commercial sats, and that will last them until the new comm constellation goes online in 2010. Not to mention, their stake in Global Crossing keeps their terrestial bandwidth in huge supply.
When all your soldiers are routers and are sharing spectrum, the aggregate of them ADDS to your bandwidth, not subtracts. You no longer have just one path (humvee->sattelite->another humvee) you now could possible relay over a 'human' network. The more nodes, the more possible paths. Setup a fixed node with some high long range emf link back to home base, or bounce it off a sat.
I laugh everytime I see a statement like this on slashdot. I sometime forget everyone on slashdot believes they are somehow unique and think of things noone else could. Gee, do you think they should encrypt the network? Gee can it be monitored? The fact you even thought of this should tell you the military has thought of it as well.
Probably not. But just because their is some way for the enemy to take away your advantage doesn't mean you shouldn't use it. If they EMP you, it won't be a big area. A few units in close proximity to each other could all go down at once, but again, so what. They are trained to use the advantage when they have it. When they don't, they issue orders using vocal resonance called SHOUTING.
Umm, a small tactical nuke will kill them. Lack of communication at that point is moot. See above comment.
Well then it wouldn't be secure would it.
What if you capture and torture a prisoner for the information? Is the war lost? No, you expect and antcipate your enemys move. You anticipate that they may get to a Humvee which the engine is still running (the keys reset when the engine is turned off, and after a idle timeout). You are vulnerable while that stolen humvee goes unreported. But your troops should never be out of contact. At worse, you enemy has a few hours of information to the whereabouts of some of your troops. At best, you know they stole the humvee, you know they are using it, and you feed them false data. So the enemy knows your location, again, you lost an advantge, not the war. They still have to act on that information, and in the end, some grunt with a finger on the trigger can save the day by killing before being killed.
It was used in Iraq. So you could have held your breath. Not the full power of it, and not as many sensors, but Captains in the field had realtime data and video communication via a distributed wirless net. The net had to be setup by grunts, and pushed forward with the troops, but it was done. There's lots of space the EM world. Especially when you dont have to care about the FCC.
I know slashdot is home of the cynics, but for once, i'd like to see comments about "wow, this is cool technology, i wonder how we could find out more about it, i wonder if we could get an interview with people making this stuff, talk to the geeks, discuss their routing choices...etc". Instead of all this "this is dumb, some script kiddie is going to DDOS our soldier, as they look up porn on their embedded internet connections.
-malakai
Re:I see some problems with this (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I see some problems with this (Score:4, Interesting)
The limiting factor to the number of Predators that can be airborne at once is not available drones, but bandwidth contention.
Gee, do you think they should encrypt the network? Gee can it be monitored? The fact you even thought of this should tell you the military has thought of it as well.
Yes, it sounds obvious and logical. But yet, the military only noticed this after UK satellite-dish hobbyists started recording unencrypted Predator feeds from the Middle East.
If they EMP you, it won't be a big area.
EMPs have been known to have a diamter greater than 2000 miles. Refer to Test Shot Starfish [williamson-labs.com] for background. Creating an EMP that is controlled (directional) and yet still powerful is actually more technologically challenging than firing a large one.
Umm, a small tactical nuke will kill them. Lack of communication at that point is moot. See above comment.
A nuke explosion at a high altitude is the easiest way to create a widespread EMP blast. Electronics will be damaged at a distance 100s of times greater than the human-lethal blast range.
There are obvious reasons why a nation with atomic weapons might be more willing to employ them for EMP against equipment, rather than targeting troops on the ground.
Russia still maintains a capability to fire a large nuke into the upper atmosphere, which would blackout London and Berlin in a single shot. The US State Department claims that North Korea has a system with similar power.
Tin Foil Foils the plan...... (Score:2)
I seem to remember this stuff plays havoc with just about all radio signals
Re:I see some problems with this (Score:2)
Shielding against EMP prevents the device from working (it's an EM transceiver, remember). What they'd actually do is harden the receiver so that it can survive EMP-induced currents, and make contingency plans for the situations where it is destroyed.
Scenario (Score:5, Funny)
[commander [in french]] the americans are coming. we should shortly be attacked by a robotic flying drone capable of dropping bombs sucking all air out of a 500 foot radius, followed by a mopup crew of several hundred armored networked hive soldiers. everyone put on your air mask.
the commander begins to get a piece of equipment out of a duffel bag. he hovers intently over a red button on it, watching.
[recruit] What's that?
[commander] EMP blast. It's the only weapon we have against them.
Re:Scenario (Score:2, Interesting)
"Walking internet cafes with laser blasters brought down by ragtag group with sticks and stones, and a freak electrical storm"
*honk*
P2P Soldier? (Score:5, Funny)
Inter-Battle LinkUp (Score:3, Funny)
The soldiers could install CS or UT2003 on their HUDs, and then play with other soldiers over the net who are githing in different battles, or just training at HQ - ultimate VR!!!!
They could then pretend to kill people on the game, whilst killing people in real life!
(Did I use too many exclamation marks???)
A day, when... (Score:5, Interesting)
Future? Maybe not, but certainly a good idea for a computer game.
Re:A day, when... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:A day, when... (Score:3, Informative)
P2P? (Score:2)
Looks like P2P networking to me (Person-To-Person of course). [Obvious RIAA reference deleted]
Re:P2P? (Score:2)
Just what I need... (Score:4, Funny)
For those instances when we *all* want to just bang our heads into the wall - eg. 'My internet is broken.' or 'The laptop won't turn on!' etc.
A fat lot of good.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:5, Insightful)
A faraday cage around a radio is pretty pointless, as it prevents your radio from transmitting or receiving.
Any break in the shield allows leaks. Any antenna penetrating the shield acts as a waveguide - you might as well not have the shield in the first place if you do this.
EMP hardening for transceivers is done by making them able to tolerate large induced currents in the antennas. There will always be a point at which this ceases to work well (you try to make it past the point where it's no longer worth lobbing EMP bombs around).
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
This is typically handled by putting some kind of shunt across the signal lines that activates when voltage or current exceeds a threshold. This can be active (a sensor and shunt transistors) or passive (a Zener diode pair). I'm afraid it isn't my area of expertise, so I can't give more detail.
The si
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
Now consider the final stage of the tranmitter and initial stage of the receiver would be (mostly) unprotected. The device might be fine, but it's no longer able to communicate with external sources.
Plug the antenna of your wireless lan system into a wall socket and see what happen
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
Besides, Radio is not the only means of transmission... What about ultrasounds, infrared, laser, and quite a lot of EMP-proof media? With p2p-style network, if your radio is broken, you can try to reach th
Re:A fat lot of good.. (Score:2)
ASSHOLE! it blew up. i bet you knew that was going to happen and didn't wanr everyone. Those things cost money you know.
Bah! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is also why I'm against putting additional electronics in guns. Sure, a gun that self destructs if an identity check fails seems like a good idea, right up until someone loses an arm because the mechanism malfunctioned. Sometimes keeping it simple is still the best policy.
Re:Bah! (Score:3, Insightful)
There are places where GPS is really handy, don't get me wrong, though. It's just that it's a tool to help you, t
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
That's why the soldiers are still taught how to kill the enemy with a shovel, how to make fire without matches or any other equipment, and a lot of stuff none of them will ever need in a war, because they have some superior equipment. But ther MUST know how to handle the situation without that equipment and that doctrine of the army is not going to change anytime soon.
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
Agreed. (Score:2)
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
I seem to recall that being one of the problems with it, potential EMP vulnerability.
Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)
All the folks in a M1 tank (in the Army, I believe the marines are similar) are crosstrained. Why?
Well, we've got 4 man crews. Loader, Driver, Gunner, and Commander.
You report to a tank, you're usually a buck private who's assigned as a loader. There, you learn the driver skills, then the gunner skills, and when you make SSG or so you command the tank.
Take out the driver? The gunner or commander can take over, or the loader who's half-trained can prolly take over if he's not too new. Gunner? The commander can take over, if neccessary. And so on.
Take out a track? Yes, the tank's a mobility kill, until the repair folks come up. But if you're running around without infantry support in the first place, you're prolly in a situation where you don't *need* that infantry support. (ie, highly mobile warfare). If you've got infantry with you, but *still* need that disabled tank's crew to come out to play infantry, you've got bigger problems thank lack of cross-training. (Although every US soldier and marine can function as basic infantry).
A layman's question (Score:2)
Re:A layman's question (Score:2)
Hmm... When Einstein said the WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones... did he mean stealth assassin teams, who carry no metal nor electronics so they can't be tracked?
Re:A layman's question (Score:2)
Still, I could see this being hard to totaly combat. Even a simple device that could detect any leakage from aproaching soldiers would be a usefull countermeasure.
Poor soldiers (Score:2)
I sure hope for these guys that the helmet will still be effective to stop bullets (at the appropriate angle), shrapnel and the like. Otherwise their heads will be filled with metal before they'll get their next command from doctor Strangelove.
Re:Poor soldiers (Score:2)
And the beta tester are... (Score:2, Funny)
Top five problems... with the OS's involved (Score:4, Funny)
Linux:
any other suggrestions?
Re:Top five problems... with the OS's involved (Score:2, Funny)
6. The HUD will display uphgrade commercials in the middle of the battle.
7. Targetting... Please insert WinMilitary installation CD into drive E:
8. The enemy may pay M$ to put evil stuff in the source.
9. The exploits will be fixed within 1 year since found.
10. It's not really you who controls the soldiers. It's Microsoft...
Linux:
6. If you get root, you may kill -9 the enemy.
7. The enemy must have access to your source code.
8. Poor entertainment software support.
9. Dictators won't agree to support FRE
What I'd like to know..... (Score:2)
And I presume that the court-martial procedure will be simplified with a KICK followed by a BAN.
Rumsfeld Doctrine (Score:5, Informative)
Basically, the first tenet of war has been "massing of firepower at critical locations," which has been said very inelegantly as "get there the fastest with the mostest." This has been a strength of units such as calvary, who rely on strong reconnaisance to defeat a stronger enemy with a smaller force by being smarter and faster. What the systems that are being developed bring to the battlefield is better communications to mass at decisive places. We aren't to the point where every soldier has a network sensor system on their bodies, because we really don't need that.
It's called the "Rumsfeld Doctrine" and it's a doctrine that uses our technological advantage to do more with less manpower because we can mass faster and better when we know the situation.
What's happening is that from the commander level up to the higher commanders, there is a very good information flow. That has always existed, in reports sent in by radio, such as a situation report (sitrep), mainenance report, or kia report. The only changes are that it's now faster because of the technology, and that we're starting to see information being collected at the higher levels then pushed down to the lower commanders in the field.
This helps the decision-makers because they have better situational awareness. If you've never been on the ground looking for stuff to kill, you'd be amazed at how easy it is to focus on your little part of the war, and then get surprised when you forget that you're one little piece of what's going on.
Re:Rumsfeld Doctrine (Score:4, Funny)
Mm.... Calvary units... Do they summon the name of Jesus while turning the other cheek? :)
(I think you meant cavalry)
Please, stop it. (Score:3, Insightful)
No more arm races and unnecessary wars!
Killing people in wars is a crime.
Re:Please, stop it. (Score:2, Funny)
Blood and guts, cool new machines, women crying, high-brow political debate...
War: It's got something for everyone.Re:Please, stop it. (Score:3, Insightful)
I say thank you to those men and women, I do not yell at them to stop protecting me!
America's Army (Score:2)
Maybe they can give them away for free to kids to get an early start on training.
Heinlein would be proud.
IPv6 spinoffs (Score:2)
To address the number of devices they'll need, I'd bet on their making the transition to ipv6 [sun.com], which has been, unfortunately, stymied and postponed for years now.
Just demonstrating the transition in a rather large real-world application would be one of the more useful spinoffs. At the very least, it will help keep ipv6 efforts alive.
Picture / Alternate Story (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.rednova.com/news/stories/3/2003/06/01/
Tech Overkill (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Tech Overkill (Score:5, Insightful)
2. "Red markers on your HUD are the enemy positions. Blue are ours."
3. With current wind and angle, your grenade launcher will reach THIS point."
4."Friendly fireline comes through here. Stay cautious"
5. "A friendly soldier wants to walk past your fireline. Cease fire for 10 seconds"
6. "Red marks enemy positions behind the wall as seen from friendly camera"
(think WallCheat in counterstrike)
7. "Nearest medic: 300m North ( --->that direction)"
8. Map with all positions marked.
9. "SOS, they are two steps away from my foxhole and my gun has jammed, but they don't see me yet!"
10. "The 2000 pound bomb will fall here: X"
Aww, that sight "+300" rising over enemy's corpse and score counter running up by 300, what could possibly encourage you to fight more effectively?!
**boooinnngg** (Score:2, Funny)
would you like some help with that!?!?!?!
A whole new meaning to "Blue Screen of Death" (Score:3, Informative)
Properly designed and used this sort of communication capability can greatly expand effectiveness and survivability.
Just don't let Microsoft do the software
--
Tomas
Scary (Score:2)
Too scary....
Next comes the Smarter Bullet (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Next comes the Smarter Bullet (Score:3, Interesting)
Anti-radiation missiles [globalsecurity.org] are actually pretty expensive, and if they could make them sensitive enough to home in on such low levels of EM-radiation then they would already be using them as anti-tank weapons.
Even when transmiting military radio [iapplianceweb.com] communications gear is already very stealthy. It uses packets sent on varying frequencies, so there is no constant signal to lock on to.
Another Stupid Idea... (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's see now...we want to stick another 20 lbs of crap on. The makes the average weight for a solder over 100 lbs. And that doesn't take into account the friggin batteries or the fact that the
What is the first use of any new medium? (Score:3, Funny)
Steam tactics (Score:4, Interesting)
The Royal Navy led the world in the mid-19th century in adopting steam propulsion, with ships proceeding in formation at constant speed, with evolutions being carried out as per flag signals from the flagship. Signal books became more complicated; signalling became a job for the brightest and best, among both officers and seamen. New signalling mechanisms such as Morse code over wireless, or Morse over signal lamp, were adopted with alacrity. People sent signals because they could, and having sent signals to the commander, whose orders they were supposed to follow, they expected replies.
Consequently, after a couple of decades of this, the Royal Navy couldn't fight worth shit.
There are two anecdotes involving Nelson and signalling -- the "blind eye" at Copenhagen, and the "England expects" before Trafalgar. These weren't tactical signals. These were Nelson having a laugh. Nelson had no truck with centralised command and this signalling malarkey; he trained his commanders as he was trained, to understand their job and to get on with it as they saw fit. Nelson and his like put the fear of God (or rather, the fear of the Royal Navy) so thoroughly that it lasted a century.
This "the soldier is the network" business means that a soldier is going to get flooded with urgent requests for tax records at a moment when he might expect to be being given information about at which window to point his grenade launcher. But then, that information would probably be coming from a major in a bunker in the Pentagon who's never handled a grenade launcher, and whose orders are going to be at best meaningless and at worst horribly counterproductive.
Maybe the DoD should consult at the militaries of other nations, that have efficient armed forces and smaller budgets, and see what'd spend the money on, given the choice. Wouldn't be this. But it might be a smaller, lighter, more reliable, more powerful, strongly-encrypted radio comms system with extensions for a whiteboard mode.
civilians (Score:3, Insightful)
Man-in-the-middle Attack (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Scary (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Scary (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Scary (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Scary (Score:3, Insightful)
The trick is to not make people aggressive towards you. I guess you guys have a problem with that too??
Also, I know non lethal Kung Fu, so if I ever have to defend myself, I can disable my opponent with a few quick blows. Without hurting them in a serious manner, of course.
Re:Scary (Score:2)
Show me...
Re:Scary (Score:2)
Re:Scary (Score:2)
(And yes, I am fully aware of Godwin's "Law," and it's garbage if it's interpreted to preclude meaningful discussion on the topic).
Re:Scary (Score:2)
Don't you think religion might have something to do with religious wars?
Re:Scary (Score:3, Insightful)
You miss the point.
Your religion or lack thereof is irrelevant to the person trying to kill you because their god told them to.
Your philosophy and outlook are similarly irrelevant to the person who wants something you posess (be it on an individual level or a national level) and decides to take it by force.
The upshot of this is that you can't make *all* people "not aggressive towards you".
Your non-lethal kung fu doesn't help if th
Re:Scary (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Scary (Score:2)
Re:Scary (Score:3, Insightful)
Admitedly, many present and future systems do contain a fair amount of autonomous behaviour, including aircraft control, targeting, and even expert systems aplied to target selection. These seem to work pretty well, and I'm sure we'll see more of them. I would imagine that millitary tradition will keep importa
Military uses an airgap, not a firewall (Score:2)
Re:Ip Addresses (Score:2, Interesting)
Okay. First off, i cannot imagine that this would be on the public internet at all. That would be stupid. I'm guessing that the soldier 'network', such as it is, will by and large be limited to the geographic area where the soldiers are. I doubt they'd have public access, though whoever is commander of the block or whatev
Re:This has already been done. (Score:2)
So maybe this could make it possible for uber Tribes/Counter strike/quake/other fps junkies to have a chance?
Re:US fascination with military (Score:2)
Re:US fascination with military (Score:2)
The US economy has benefited tremendously from money sunk into military R&D. Since WWII many if not most of the technological innovations (such as the Internet) that have propelled US economic growth have origins in military R&D programs. The migration of battlefield techonogies such as described by this article into commercial applications is something that has great precedence.
The world doesn't need more storm troopers.
US military power
Re:US fascination with military (Score:2)
You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win by making the other guy die for his country. (To paraphrase George Patton). Heros don't win wars.
If the US military leadership wasn't using whatever means was available to give their troops an edge, they would certainly would not be doing their jobs. Any criticism of military for using the tools available to it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the mission of a military organization.
Times in the past when the
Re:Battlefield LAN (Score:2)
Re:Two thoughts: enemies and robots (Score:3, Insightful)
IF you wany peace, then you have to make those responsible for the induction of it responsible for it's enactment. How? All the heads of the government and their immediate familes must serve in the war on "front-line" combat situations. None of this rear suppoert unit, or carrier duty. Every Senator, Representative, President and the Cabinet, along with their spouses and children must take up arms and fight for the cause.
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