The Buttocks Have It 243
An anonymous reader writes "From this ZDNET article: Future hijackers may find that their
buttocks betray them, if UK defense firm Qinetiq has its way. The company has developed a smart chair stashed with a thicket of seat sensors, according to New
Scientist magazine this week. The same seats could also be used to warn cabin staff of illness among the passengers, potentially alleviating the risk of deep vein thrombosis or DVT."
Finally (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Finally (Score:3, Funny)
What? You mean you can't tell who farted?!? Awesome! I always kept it in because I figured it would be obvious who did it... All I can say is that I pity the foo's on my 7-hour flight next week.
DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:5, Insightful)
[1] Except United in "economy plus" and most American planes, though AA is reducing room again on some flights. Fuckers.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:3, Insightful)
Guess who's gonna be fidgeting nonstop on my next flight...
-j
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
So which airline is going to offer flights at the regular rates, but substituting the frills, meals and drinks for more leg room? I'd fly them, no doubt about it.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:3, Insightful)
AA sucked financially because people won't pay for a better service.
Fly business if you want better room... yeah it is expensive, no? But that is more like the 'real' price of your flight - the economy passengers pay the marginal cost of their seat, but the business class pay quite close to the average cost... so quit complaining and pay more, or does it come down to price and not comfort.
Note: Total cost = fixed cost + marginal cost (cost for an additional unit, or in this case, passe
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:3, Insightful)
The best thing would be to for the government to let American go under... we have a serious overcapacity at the moment, but no, Mr G Dubya (hell, Bill C would probably have done the same) will subsidise and bail out AA all it needs vainly hoping another intercontinental carrier will go under, while thei
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2, Insightful)
Yep. A real free market would solve the problems, as with most everything else. But the longer the government props up ailing companies, the more difficult it gets to pull the plug later. The collateral damage risk to the economy just keeps growing.
I think it's already too late though. The loss of jobs would probably be enough to drive the market back down again. But then, most of the things that are better in the long term are comp
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
AA made money on More Room for the first year or so. The thing that changed was that low-fare airlines like JetBlue have been pulling down both the average fare and the last-minute fare. Sadly, more people buy tickets based on that than comfort.
Maybe United has it right - Economy Plus with 5" more
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
My last flight between texas and washington arived at 12pm, and everyone on the flight had a whole row to them selves. So it was grab a pillow, strech your legs out, and fall asleep.
Problem solved.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Well, Continental is about the best I've found in the US, at least recently. But yes, they are all like that. For short trips (inside the continent) I'd rather go by ground.
Worst I've ever had was Northwest, across the Atlantic. Every time the cart came down the isle: *Bump* "Sir, could you move your legs?" "No. They don't fit anywhere else." Eight hours. (I know, not really a long
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Not all of them are quite as bad as United. Flying packed into a UA cattle car qualifies as some of my worst travel experience. If you have *any* choice do not fly United.
Some of the regional U.S. airlines are not bad. I'm sure that any of those that become sucessful are taken over by money men and drop the service levels to those of United.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, US airlines tend to cram people into economy. (Unless you buy "full price economy", which is actually just first class but named otherwise so businesses will comp it.) On 747s it's usually 3-4-3 in economy, and 3-3 on most of the medium jets. It's a matter of price. Most Americans just won't pay what it costs jfor more room. It's uncomfortable, but it's cheaper.
As to service, maybe I'm just used to it but I rarely have anything to complain about. The flight attendants at least pretend to be friendly
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
I'm a pretty big guy (187cm, 100kg) and lately Air Canada has been giving me two seats for the price of one. They're very subtle and polite about it, which I like.
Here's the scenario:
Last year, I was travelling from my home in Halifax to Toronto and back with a co-worker. On both legs of our trip, when we asked to be seated together, they informed us that the flight was booked and placed us in separate rows. However, both times, the seat next to me was vacant. It wa
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Or it could be that you got lucky and there was a no-show on your flight! ;-)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
This reminds me all too-much of the way modern farmers deal with chickens. Having them all running around just isn't terribly effecient, so they stick them all into small crates, just bigger than the body of the chicken.
There was one problem though... The chickens were so miserable by the crampped conditions that they would actually peck themselves to death. Of course, to the farmers, the answer was obvious... Cut off their beaks, so no matter how miserable they are, th
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:5, Informative)
DVTs come from a couple of factors; venous stasis (blood pooling in your veins) is only one. The others are injury (getting kicked in the leg), and any sort of hypercoagulable state... ie. your blood clots more readily than normal. This last category is large, and includes pregnancy, birth control pills, smoking, cancer, genetic problems, etc, etc.
I took one trip that lasted almost 30 hours (20 hours+ of pure flying time)... inbetween sleeping and eating, I got up and walked the length of the airplane any number of times. Not only does it let you get the kinks out and stretch, but it also helps prevent DVTs, and their lethal sequela, the feared pulmonary embolus (PE).
A big PE (so-called "saddle embolus") will turn you out like a light. A large enough clot blocks your blood flow to the lungs, effectively dropping your cardiac output to zero. That, as you might imagine, is rapidly fatal... so rapidly fatal in fact that I've had people have huge PE's right in front of me and die, right there... nothing we could do for them (diagnosis made on autopsy). PEs are one of the major contributors in sudden death cases, though that's gotten a bit better with proper diagnosis and treatment.
While PEs are a problem, they used to be a bigger problem. Years ago, if you broke a hip, you were on bedrest for 6-8 weeks until it healed (these days, whenever possible, aggressive surgical repair and early ambulation are the rule). In retrospect, the bed rest was a bad idea; those folks were dying left and right of pulmonary emboli... thank god for medical progress.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
maybe you should brush your teeth or something??
I'm sensing a trend if "I've had people have huge PE's right in front of me and die, right there..." maybe there's something with you and not them.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:4, Interesting)
But anyway, I'm not the only doc who posts on
That's one of the things I love about slashdot, penis birds and goatse.cx trolls aside.
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
I should point out that I have no formal computer science training, apart from being a self-taught computer geek since the TRS-80 days, so I often find myself in awe of the coding/hacking/mathematical skills of many slashgeeks. This is one forum where I very seldom find myself able to speak authoritatively about the issues at hand... so I end up lurking instead of posting. Wh
Re:useless tech (Score:2)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
My observation has been that this less-leg-space problem occurs mostly in airlines where they have that attached flight-screens for every seat. I usually tend to avoid that kind of airlines (which, in a Europe-Asia context, would be Cathay, Singapore Airlines, Swiss, BA (?) etc) Personally, I see no reason to watch movies or play games off a teeny weeny screen when you can download them off Kazaa (or, if you want to play legit, watch them with full effects in a cinema)
Or may be it's just that the older air
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Course it's twice the price sometimes.... but no better way to go if you are travelling for pleasure.
Low Calcium Diet? (Score:2)
Re:DVT? Just increase the fucking legroom. (Score:2)
Most if not all of the 9-11 hijackers paid cash for first-class seats. They took advantage of the curtains separating the cabins to subdue the first class flight attendants. It's why the curtains are no longer used.
Fight against terrorism (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Fight against terrorism (Score:2)
Re:Fight against terrorism (Score:2, Funny)
It's all a rouse, and the only thing those scanners detect are metal underwear. I've personally tested this myself, and you can, too! On day one, I wore a black leather trench coat, carried an AK-47, a MAC-10, a 12 gauge shotgun, a couple live hand grenades, and --get this-- a box cutter with 5 refill blades into the airport's secure zone. I proceeded to have get onto the flight, have my Kosher meal, have a brief chat wit
Guess I better.. (Score:2)
How helpful. (Score:5, Funny)
-j
I can see it now (Score:2)
"Depends Seat 9B!"
"Ex-Lax Seat 3F!"
And if I had my way,
"Icepick lobotomies all seats except this guy!"
That is... (Score:4, Funny)
Ok, so I can;t spel.
One problem (Score:5, Funny)
What I'd like to know is how in the world will they be able to differentiate true illness from mere consequences of eating airline food)?
Re:One problem (Score:2)
Re:One problem (Score:2)
When they notice you tensing up as the entree is served.
The future of embarrasment (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The future of embarrasment (Score:2)
Will my mobile phone fuck it up? (Score:2)
Will this system throw off false alarms that I've shit myself to the sexy cabin chicks?
Even if it doesn't suffer from interfereance I dont want the cabin girls to know I've farted!!!!
Interesting... (Score:5, Insightful)
or an innovation ready to be exploited... (Score:2)
stick in some forcefeedback hydraulics (like the ones in force feedback joysticks), and viola! AutoPr0nSeats available on Business Class seats for $499.95!
Man, I may fly business class if I can have them seats massage my buttocks for the 24 hour flights I have to take to get home....
Re:Interesting... (Score:2)
A locking cabin door would be much more secure for about 1/100th the cost.
Should put these in movie theaters (Score:3, Insightful)
Had a friend who rated movies by the butt scale. Basically it was how long it took until he noticed his but was hurting from sitting in an uncomfortable theater seat. For a good, engaging film, he never noticed. When his wife dragged him to a chick flick, it was about 20 minutes.
Seems like the movie studios could tell a lot about the success of a movie by using these in previews.
Re:Should put these in movie theaters (Score:2)
Re:Should put these in movie theaters (Score:2)
Which is why I said to put them in the theaters they use for sneak previews. I went to a few in college. The big studios will do a sneak preview and then hand out surveys afterwards. They sometimes change the movie based on this feedback.
Re:Should put these in movie theaters (Score:2)
Privacy Policy (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Privacy Policy (Score:2)
Preparation H Raymond may be out of a job.
Re:Privacy Policy (Score:2)
Just in case first-time fliers weren't scared.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Airlines and Poker (Score:2)
Won't this be thwarted by the first half-decent poker player?
Useless (Score:2)
I'm sure those cunning terrorists can come up with a devious method of sitting still, or something similar. This technology would only work if nobody knew about it.
The freedom fighters got to come up with something better to protect our way of life. I'm sure TIA will take care of it all.
Well (Score:2, Funny)
No link this time!
False positives... (Score:5, Funny)
Considering some of the flights that I've been on, I could just imagine what would happen with these "future additions" in case the plane hits an air pocket & drops a few hundred feet...
"Oh my gosh! According to the seat sensors, we have about 50 terrorists on board!"
"Nah...they just all pissed their pants after that last air pocket. Grab some TP and follow me..."
Future additions (Score:2)
If the system detects that pork has not been recently eaten, then we're dealing with terrorists for sure.
It'll be able to detect flatulence. Farting inside an airplane, is also a despicable terrorist act.
Funny / Sad / Strange / Sureal (Score:2)
But, the story did make me think. It made me think that with technology and terrorist parranoia, we have now past into a positively sureal world. A world where we will be watched by machines that will decide if we are "too fidgety" and act against us. A sureal world where we either try to convince ourselves that this is
Re:Funny / Sad / Strange / Sureal (Score:2, Interesting)
Indeed
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizin
But can it still be used as a floatation device (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd hate to have my plane land gracefully in the Atlantic Ocean, the passengers exit the plane in an orderly manner via the designated exit rows, and then be pulled to the bottom by the electronics in my seat cushen.
Wouldn't you hate that?
Re:But can it still be used as a floatation device (Score:2)
Re:But can it still be used as a floatation device (Score:2)
Re:But can it still be used as a floatation device (Score:2)
Not the "to save your life" type of parachuting... In the case of a commercial jet going down, people just have to strap it on as well as they can, and either pull the rip-cord, or wait until the chute automatically deploys. Sure, if you train, you'll have a lot more going for you (such as less risk of injuries), but with no training, a parachute will still save you.
First off, many people can
Re:But can it still be used as a floatation device (Score:2)
Planes, particularly very large ones, don't "gracefully" anything in the water. Almost all of the time, they cartwheel- usually when one engine or wingtip touches the water before another.
In the event of a water landing... (Score:2)
-Don
As a security device? (Score:5, Funny)
Great. In those old sci-fi flicks, they used to kill the guy, pull the eye out of his socket, and use it to bypass the retinal scanners. Now, it's:
"This is Agent 003. The president is dead. I repeat, the president is dead, and they've taken his buttocks. Get the security system changed. Now."
"We can't do it, sir! A virus is blocking our entry into the system!"
"Goddammit, I want every man on the streets looking for that ass!"
What if it works? (Score:2, Flamebait)
By the time the US legal system got done with him, it would be proven that his civil rights were violated, he carried a weapon for protection from religious persecution, and that the use of the seat was unconstitutional search and seizure.
How about if the same passenger died of DVT s
Mile high club? (Score:2, Funny)
"Wasn't that the gentleman who just asked for a blanket?
"I think so. And now the reading is oscillating at around 0.5 Hz. Odd....
And people always call me crazy... (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously... (Score:3, Informative)
That has a potential to misidentify waaaay too many people, and the system would end up getting ignored.
Calm cool killers? (Score:2)
What makes them think that terrorists are jumpy? I'd think a guy who is on his flight to 1000 virgin wifes in Heaven would be nice and relaxed. Why don't you try looking for the guys buying viagra just before getting on the plane?
drawbacks (Score:2, Funny)
Re:drawbacks (Score:2)
While the CIA has consistently denied the existence of the T.F.A., any eight year old can tell you that, "He who denied it supplied it."
Mandatory carry on item (Score:2)
Ah oh... (Score:2)
Durability? (Score:3, Insightful)
I wonder how long it will be before these things break. Or even better, when they develop an intermittent short like the headphone jack did the last time. Seat 42 is a terrorist! oh maybe not... oh he is! oh maybe not...
How about a low tech solution? Put a f*cking steel door up between the pilots and the passangers and stop harrassing the 99.999999999999% of passangers who are law-abiding.
Sorry... I fly a lot and it keeps getting worse and worse.
Re:Durability? (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's face it, flight attendants have a hard enough job keeping dozens of passengers happy without having to watch the fart monitor as
I Predict... (Score:2)
(raises pinky to pursed lips) On the hole (sic), I'd say this sounds pretty good...
This is useful... (Score:2)
And if they could make it sensitive enough, it will also catch people who drum on their tray table too...
another privacy violation (Score:5, Funny)
May it please the court to hear this testimony... (Score:5, Funny)
(Excerpts from the prosecution testimony submitted to the court by Northwest Airlines Smart Seat #423aY9)
Lightning fast calculations conducted by my WinCE Special Edition Ass Patriot software came up showing POSITIVE in multiple categories for a BGI (Butt Guilt Indicator) value of .00457, or a full .00257 above the standard benchmarks for PI (Posterior Innocence).
Without hesitation I silently activated the vibra-alert pager of Senior Chief Air Attendant Kitty M., who, according to protocol, approached the owner of the buttocks in a nonchalant, oblique manner with the offer of a bag of complimentary Freedom Nuts (unsalted).
The peanuts were accepted and, judging from my continuous real-time nether feed, consumed in two large gulps. At 13:59h, rumbling ensued. At 14:01h, I registered a seismic event that I would rather not discuss. By 14:02h, airline security had been alerted and at 14:06h three agents boarded the plane cleverly disguised as a troupe of disgraced former Citigroup executives. Slyly, they engaged in covert-ops conversation, as follows:
Agent #1: Beautiful part is, I'm spending more time with Gale and the kids.
Agent #2: Golden. Mind if I run with that tip?
Agent #3: Ha ha ha. The best tips are the ones that help society to be more productive and honest!
At 14:10h, the suspect was seized, hooded, cuffed, pinned, tagged, numbered, bagged, and escorted from the plane in accordance with the Zero Tolerance for Terrorist Tushes Act passed last term by Congress.
It is the considered opinion of this chair that the buttocks in question presented a substantial and credible threat to the safety of the passengers and crew, and should be dealt with in the harshest fashion, up to and including electrocution. Nor is this chair displeased to report that the On Call passenger who claimed the terrorist's seat turned out to be a 22-year old aerobics instructor from Cincinnati who spent the flight reading fellatio tips in the latest Cosmopolitan. And squirming ever so nicely. Ain't freedom sweet?
The Microsoft Version (Score:2, Funny)
SARS. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not sure I'm convinced this technology will prevent hijacking, but if you really want to put technology into seats, perhaps they could do something to monitor passengers' body temperatures. If a certain passenger's body temperature is above a certain value for some period, then the passenger could be asked to shift to a quarantine within the flight. Inflight SARS-infections are, I believe, rare, but should be a good idea to quarantine SARS-suspects at least.
Now, many people might not like such intrusive and constant monitoring, so the technology could be opt-in, that is, if you don't like the idea, you'll be given a non-monitored seat (which could be close to, or within, the quarantine zone)
Of course, I guess the bigger problem would be space within the flight; as others have pointed out already, even legspace is at a premium, so allocating inflight space for a quarantined zone might be challenging.
I don't know, just a thought.
Re:SARS. (Score:2)
Sounds like voodoo to me. (Score:3, Insightful)
This is absolutely absurd... (Score:2)
New fashion victimization amongst the paranoid (Score:2)
Good for safety reasons (Score:2)
First of all, in the United States the FAA has recently made airplanes adjust their weight estimates per passenger up. An overloaded plane was the suspected cause of a recent crash, and it's important, for safety reasons if nothing else, to know how much load your airplane is attempting to bear. If every seat had sensors like these, they wouldn't have to estimate; they could know with reasonable precision whether they could safely take off.
Second of all, the more difficult to implement idea of 'buttmetric
Re:Good for safety reasons (Score:2)
Heard in an airport in the near future (Score:2)
Wipe well (Score:2)
Intro text (Score:2)
In other news . . . (Score:2)
Although the pursuit of knowledge is an admirable goal, I seriously wonder about why these kinds of projects are authorized. Surely there must be far more important research to be done at Qinetiq. Maybe like developing face recognition technology that can defeat disguises, better scanners and detectors for people and luggage. Just my personal opinion.
People will kill for a job in airline security... (Score:2)
FREEDOM! CONSTITUTION! (Score:2)
MY PHYSIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS ARE MY OWN, THEY WILL NOT CONSTANTLY BE MONITORED, especially if that information will eventually be sold to advertisers.
"You're farting too much, get off the plane. Planes have expensive air recirculation systems because of people like y
Re: (Score:2, Funny)
Re:darn (Score:2)
Re:Beans Beans the Hijackers magical fruit. (Score:2, Funny)
McGuiver: "Pull my finger"