Satellite Driven Farming Equipment 173
ravenousbugblatter writes "An article at CNN discusses how Australian scientists are using GPS to automatically drive tractors and other farming equipment on predetermined tracks. The technology is encouraged because it can prevent water loss associated with the repeated compaction of soil from heavy farming equipment."
all hail John Deere! (Score:5, Funny)
Mike
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:1, Funny)
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:1, Insightful)
(The Soviet Russia thing is passé for all the trolls now, I guess?)
This isn't that beneficial (Score:2, Interesting)
You'd think there would be a simpler solution that doesn't implement GPS, kinda like those robot lawn mowers, except smart...
Bubba Says (Score:2)
It's crystal clear that advances in Genetics combined with advances in things like automated machinery are gonna make agriculture alot more efficient, and make it where less people have to do the mind numbing work of an agricultural laborer
Cool Stuff
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:2)
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:2)
The Simpons. The Episode where Homer flies on the space shuttle. During the struggle to land, an ant colony experiment busts open scattering ants all over the cabin. A few ants end up right in front of the camera (viewed by the audience on the ground), prompting that famous line from the Newscaster.
Other memorable lines that made the rounds (especially on the last Columbia mission:)
Now we will never know
Re:all hail John Deere! (Score:1)
Do you have any other links?
YEEHAW (Score:5, Funny)
redneck SkyNet (Score:1, Offtopic)
- The Terminatorsaurus!
Too bad (Score:4, Funny)
Collision Detection (Score:4, Interesting)
Rus
Re:Collision Detection (Score:2)
Long story, military simulation humor.
Re:Collision Detection (Score:3, Informative)
The story [york.ac.uk]'s not that long. It is funny, though.
Re:Collision Detection (Score:1)
Re:Collision Detection (Score:3, Insightful)
Fortunately, Kangaroos are already equiped with a collision detection and avoidance subsystem sufficient for avoiding slow moving objects like farm implements.
Children and Pets, however may not be.
Re:Collision Detection (Score:3, Interesting)
In the end the driver has reduced fatigue due to not having to make small steering corrections along a run and he can focus more on what his implement at the back is doing, i.e. is it the right height etc.
As the article says, there are huge benifits to always driving on t
Re:Collision Detection (Score:3, Insightful)
And hitting a kangaroo is of course impossible with a human driver?
Even at Slashdot the demand for security in new technology seems to be 100%. The much more reasonable standard is to demand of new technology that it demands on par with humans. I bet a relatively simple motion detector co
Re:Collision Detection (Score:3, Funny)
You say that like it's a bad thing. One of my greatest joys as a youth out combining grass seed, was watching mice try to run the "combine belt treadmill" and stay out of the spinning jaws of the thresher.
Does this make me sick?
Re:Collision Detection (Score:2)
Re:Collision Detection (Score:2)
Re:Collision Detection (Score:2)
While this may seem silly, nothing treats the fruit as gently as the human hand
Much, much worse (Score:3, Funny)
Just you wait.
Re:Much, much worse (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Much, much worse (Score:3, Funny)
If it where my kangaroo farm i'd be hopping mad.
Re:Much, much worse (Score:2)
Kangaroo farm? Most farms in Australia are kangaroo farms by default. Red and Eastern Grey Kangaroos are generally at "plague" proportions due to increased access to water (dams, bores), increase in pasture lands and fertilisers. If we can develop a bigger market for kangaroo meat and skins, they indeed would become precious.
I myself prefer to cook a 1.5 cm thick slab of roo meat in a pan with olive oil, cooking it to medium rare.
Doesn't sound sophisticated (Score:1)
Re:Doesn't sound sophisticated (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't sound sophisticated (Score:2)
My guess is that it mows them down as well.
Better keep old' Elsie locked up in the barn when this things going, or else you'll have some nice hamburger to go with your tomatoes...
Re:Doesn't sound sophisticated (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't sound sophisticated (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember, these things operate on farm, somone's property, behind fences. Someplace where stray humans are not supposed to be.
Besides, serious farm equipment is big and noisy. If a person or an animal can't tell one is coming and get out of the way, they're already dead.
(Groan) What sort of hole... (Score:2)
As they say, as you reap so will you sow.
GPS Inaccuracies (Score:2, Funny)
Re:GPS Inaccuracies (Score:2)
Around my area the problem is the opposite: Farm loss from heavily misguided construction.
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Re:GPS Inaccuracies (Score:1)
I agree, and the only thing we get is food, how lame is that.
Bad idea... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Bad idea... (Score:2)
-Rusty
we need satellites for this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Couldn't the same thing be achived by simply not driving in the ruts?
-- I stole this sig off some old git
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Or by having a robot eye follow a white line.
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:2)
Which is...
Tor
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:2)
The engineering practice of only measuring differences from a starting position is dangerous because in the way errors build up. For example, if your 'route recorder' makes a 2 inch error every time the tractor turns around for a new run, these errors add up so that the at the end of the day your robot tractor may be a couple of feet outside of the field. In other words, you have no control of where you are, other than a long series of
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:2)
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:2)
When dealing with rowed crops, you pretty much have to drive your tractors down the rows. In fact, since some crops are planted at different row widths, one of the things I got frequently saddled with as a kid was helping Dad jack up the tractors, and using gigantic wrenches to widen and narrow t
Re:we need satellites for this? (Score:2)
They're already there, accessible via commodity hardware, with no usage fee. I don't understand your concern.
until sadam acts up again... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:until sadam acts up again... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:until sadam acts up again... (Score:2)
Re:until sadam acts up again... (Score:2)
So, is that better or worse than "girls gone wild" in my backyard?
Wait a second... (Score:4, Funny)
Crop Circles (Score:5, Funny)
I offer a $100K reward to the first hack who can build me am etch-a-sketch driven combine.
Re:Crop Circles (Score:2)
Re:Crop Circles (Score:1)
http://www.etch-a-sketch.com/html/artgallery.ht
Had Michaelangelo such a versatile tool, who knows what the ceiling of the sistine chappel might look like?
Re:Crop Circles (Score:3, Funny)
I'm picturing a monochromic gray, accented with thin black lines.
not surprising (Score:1)
I never thought (Score:1)
Fatigue (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Fatigue (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Fatigue (Score:2)
Safer? Hah. (Score:2)
This could also be a great help to reduce fatigue related accidents on farms. I have friends that are farmers and during harvest times they routinely work 18+ hours driving harvesting machinery. Often a worker falls asleep at the wheel and has caused thousands of dollars in damage, not to mention the potential for human injuries or death.
Okay. Now, for a dose of reality. Ever seen on TV how they have the machines lined up in a row, one after the other? Now, remove the driver, put in a GPS-navigation s
nothing new (Score:3, Informative)
GPS has been used in farming for a decade, and is fantastic for saving $$$ on fertilizers (liquid) and other farming tasks.
That's not a satellite, it's the Death Star!!! (Score:1)
Man, I can't wait until they use this to make a bigger version of Robot Wars.
Information Please? (Score:5, Insightful)
In kansas a lot of the farmed land in the north western parts of kansas is non-uniform. People tend to have this idea of kansas as being a flat area, but the land is actually quite hilly in the western parts.
What happens if a tractor slips or loses traction? Or do the tractors simply not operate when it is muddy? How much error detection and fixiing do these tractors have. What happens if it finds itself on a part of a field it shouldnt be on, IE its transmitter goes out for a short period of time due to electrical disturbance (say freak lightning or something else).
Does the tractor drive across tilled land to get back to the spot (possibly destroying crops) or does it know to re-orient itself, drive along the right path, and then proceed about its task.
What happens if there is a hardware failure, is it possible to set a new tractor right where the last one set off, or does it need to go through the entire process again?
these things werent answered very well in the article, but are very obvious questions i think that should pop up to someone who read the article.
Re:Information Please? (Score:1)
Kansas Is Flatter Than a Pancake (Score:2)
Not exactly new... (Score:3, Interesting)
SA? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:SA? (Score:2, Interesting)
The autonomous vehicle technology described in the article is not very interesting compared to something happening stateside, the DARPA Grand Challenge. On March 13th, 2004, vehicles will set out on a race from a point near Los Angeles and head
Re:SA? (Score:2)
GPS guided machinery (Score:3, Insightful)
It's great fun to spend half a day getting drunk to ignore extream heat while mowing your lawn, but i'll bet people would buy lawnmowers that would do it for you.
This might also eliminate that neighbor that has the fortitude to wake up at 7:00 am on saturday to cut his lawn.
Re:GPS guided machinery (Score:2)
There is already something like this. It doesn't use gps (it uses wires similar to pet invisible fences) and an algorithm that produces a "random" path. But it effectively does what you want, to mow the lawn for you so you don't have to.
RoboMower [friendlyrobotics.com]
How soon for a personal version? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How soon for a personal version? (Score:3, Informative)
advantages of using GPS (Score:5, Informative)
I used to work in a farm and I can say that adding altitude can give you a whole new perspective about what's going on in your fields. Over the years, there have been a number of attempts at using images gathered from airplanes and satellites to enhance scouting
These images provided some interesting views, but were never timely enough to be useful for making management decisions. Plus, the equipment was not readily available to make a pass when you needed it made.
The only option growers had for aerial scouting that provided immediate information was to learn to fly themselves. For most, the cost of flying lessons and airplanes meant that wasn't a very practical option.
Now new technology is opening the door for more immediate, more useful aerial information about your crops. And if you just want to fly over your fields to see how they look from above, that's becoming easier and more affordable, too.
After years of promise that satellites would revolutionize crop scouting, recent developments are turning promise into reality.
Aerial photos can be especially useful for mapping fields in remote areas. A group of ranchers and groups interested in resource management in Wyoming have been working together the past five years to gather aerial images of rangeland in areas that are not readily accessible by ground.
It can be used like in WHIPP program, the Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) and Lake DeSmet Conservation District are using aerial imagery to map leafy spurge locations in a 54,000-acre area.
Leafy spurge is a perennial noxious weed that's spreading on rangelands. Cattle won't eat it and herbicides provide inconsistent control so they're trying to develop an integrated weed management program.
Re:advantages of using GPS (Score:2, Interesting)
In South Dakota we were getting aerial photos of the farmland 30 years ago.
How odd (Score:5, Interesting)
Depending on how much you want to spend on these tractors you can have an accuracy down to 8 inches per pass in the field.
Of course when he told me this all I could think of was Evil Plan #234.
1. Hack the Omnistar system.
2. Assume control of all Challenger tractors in Indiana.
3. Plow under Terre Haute.
Hey we all have our own little dreams...
Re:How odd (Score:2)
Step 2: Profit!
Okay, either ads or profanity. Anything but 'first post'.
Re:How odd (Score:2)
For cars, whis would mean no serious repair within the first 500,000 miles... A slight difference to what we are used to in everyday life, ehhh?
In related n
yep (Score:1)
Exodous (Score:2, Insightful)
Modern farming folks, armed with this system will need fewer folks around the farm. Fewer folks in the area means a smaller demand for services, so more folks will leave. Finally, fewer and fewer folks will fill the rural landscape.
Will this technology be the nail in the coffin of rural life in the midwestern states, requiring only a few folks to farm for everyone?
What happens
Re:Exodous (Score:2)
That's why the government keeps a secret stash of Amish folk in suspended animation.
Re:Exodous (Score:2)
Yep (Score:2)
unintended consequences... (Score:4, Funny)
Weee! (Score:2)
Son In Law II (Score:2)
--riney
Please explain more... (Score:3, Insightful)
From the article i got the sense these were just modified regular tractors, not some lightwieght version that reduces compaction.
I invite you to go look at any farmer's (try my dad) row crops. The furrows on fields of row crops such as carrot seed and garlic are laser straight, and they travel the same furrows when working the field all season long. Growing up, Dad used to let me try to cultivate a row at the very edge of the field (where it was easy for him to fix) and it was always a disaster. However after years of doing it, my dad and many of the farmers in our area had it down to where you could look all the way down a 1/4 mile field and see only inches of deviation.
Furthermore, even if someone had some wandering furrows, it's just a matter of staying in them when doing work in the field as the crop grows (spraying, etc).
I can see a system that uses lighter machinery or allows few passes over a field in a season, but if we're talking about driving the same tractors by different methods, aside from the convenience, I don't see how it would yield the spectacular result quoted. Unless they were comparing their tractors to one driven by complete novices who wander all over the field (too much Fosters?)
Re:Please explain more... (Score:2)
I predict beer & DVD sales will go up! (Score:2)
The downside to this automation: It makes the premise of Maximum Overdrive that much more plausible. I mean, if it was just confined to homocidal soda ma
Similarly (Score:2, Informative)
similar projects (Score:2, Informative)
I worked there in 2000 and the best part was the big red button on the front. it was a little odd having my computer space 20 feet from a tractor with gizmos.
Is that such a good idea? (Score:2)
Motivation (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Motivation (Score:2)
Now - if Australians could harness the torrential rains that sometimes inundate Sydney and Brissy as well as some of the NT then maybe some of these problems could be solved.
But this would sort of consitute "terraforming a sub-continent" I suppose and the Aussie tree huggers
This is an interesting idea .. but.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Farm machinery and computers just don't mix. It sounded like a great idea when they started to put computers into tractors, but it has been nothing but a nightmare to farmers. Wires get too warm and fry or make contact all the time under the hood blowing out chips, dirt gets into the electronics themselves and causes them to quit working. When this happens, can Mr. Farmer fix it? No, it is like a modern vehicle. Mr. Farmer usually has to pay some pr
Re:This is an interesting idea .. but.... (Score:2)
You also reveal your ignorance when you suggest that a "programmer" would have to drive 300KM's to replace the chip. I can assure you that most farmers I know can easily deal with a "chip" that needs to be replaced. If the "chip" only cost $5 bux they would keep some on
Yay for GPS.. (Score:3, Interesting)
As handy as GPS is, I don't entirely trust it
For the rong reasons (Score:2)
First off, driving a tractor is rather boring and even more so when you consider that tilling the soil can take 12 hours per field. So a GPS driven tractor is valuable for one reason and one reason ONLY! It largely removes the need for an operator. Drive by wireless would also do the job and for instance INCO is using this in its underground mines. Surface mining systems are also under development.
The downside of the
Re:Questions! (Score:1)
Remember, to have a car accident, you need something to hit.