Executive Secretary In Every Computer 320
An anonymous reader writes "BusinessWeek Online just ran an interview with a researcher from Sandia National labs whose team has developed an alternative approach to artificial intelligence. They have come up with a software program that models a computer user's behavior and gives the user advice, corrects his errors or saves files according to the user's own logic. The idea is for computers to learn how to use with users -- instead of vice versa. The software has already been tested with air traffic controllers."
I apparently already have this function.... (Score:5, Funny)
His name is Clippy, and I hate him.
Mike
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:5, Funny)
Why doesn't someone write an agent to predict what the replies will be to a given Slashdot story? It could be done as an elementary school project.
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:3, Funny)
{printf("
Step 1. Become overlord of Soviet Russia
Step 2. Beowulf cluster
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Economic improvement!\n");}
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:5, Interesting)
An alternative approach would be to first parse Slashdot archives to get a lot of posts, articles and moderation data and then use Bayesian theory to decide which sentences/keywords should be included to produce highest moderation based on the words in the blurb (or the linked article, but parsing that would be against
It can be further enhanced using the poetry evolution [slashdot.org] engine. If we limit the system to very short posts (cliche jokes or smartass oneliners), it might work quite well (feedback, of course, would be the moderation).
Any volunteers?
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Then MS marketing got involved. They decided that Clippy didnt get activated enough. Clippy in its research version might have popped up once a month when a user really needed help. However, once a month would not justify the expense of development and marketing, nor could it be hailed as a great new feature if the users almost never saw it.
Enter the new and marketing improved Clippy any MS office user over the last decade has had the misfortune to experience. Junk the I part of AI, and just make an annoying paperclip instead of a helpful tool. I can only imagine how the researchers felt about having their nice idea turned into something like what Clippy got to be.
Maybe we'll see a real implementation of this kind of technology at some point in time. But I'll bet any commercial application of this is more likely to get written by popup ad companies, and jog the ATC guys elbow by suggesting which airline he should be using or something...
Sounds like an old joke... (Score:3, Funny)
OK, so this IT company is having its annual retreat somewhere out in the desert, and an engineer and a marketdroid get into an argument about something. They wander off into the desert, and are so into it that they don't realize that they're walking directly into a sandstorm until it's too late. They stumble around blindly, and by the time the sandstorm lets up, they're completely lost.
A few hours later, the sun's dir
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:4, Funny)
Like in this situation? [kieranhealy.org]
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:3, Funny)
"Hey, it looks like you're trying to innovate.
Would you like some help?"
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:2, Funny)
And gives "executive stress relief", then ill be impressed.
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:3, Interesting)
This got modded as funny, but it would've been better modded as insightful. Nothing slows a salty computer user down more than a computer that stops every eight seconds to ask him a question or worse, start some processor intensive image manipulations when said user is trying to get actual work done.
What would really be useful is an OS where everything is controlled through scripts I write myself. Applications, through the OS, would be controlled by scripting, too.
Coming soon the theaters near you (Score:2)
"The Return of Clippy"
Opens October 13.
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:2, Interesting)
MS has been trying to add "helpful features that learn to adapt to how the user works" for years, clippy being the most notorious example. I hate them all. Many times my colleagues have heard me yell at some office program, "don't be so damn helpful!" I really don't want everything I type that has an atmark in it turned into a clickable email link.
This company will likely be purchased by MS shortly, and their overhelpful time wasters incorporated into the operating system (along with a few egregious secur
Re:I apparently already have this function.... (Score:2)
I find that the annoying robot which blows itself up is more in line with the windows look and feel
Clippy (Score:4, Funny)
"It looks like you're trying to talk to a pilot. Would you like to write a letter to him?"
"It look like you're trying to turn me off. Dave. Don't do that Dave."
I like chicken, I like liver! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I like chicken, I like liver! (Score:2, Insightful)
tested with ATC? oh crap (Score:5, Funny)
Re:tested with ATC? oh crap (Score:3, Funny)
Great if I can force specific things on it.... (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest problem is the user that saves things willy-nilly, relies on editing a spreadsheet in an email and never saves it specifically, etc....
Unless it can be told to force certian behaivoir upon the user to be in line with corperate requirements.... I dont see it as useful and more of another PITA app that makes my life more difficult as a Net/sys admin
redirect "my documents" (Score:2)
Re:redirect "my documents" (Score:2)
Re:redirect "my documents" (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, my Mom lost a lot of work she had put into making revisions to a document sent to her by a coworker. She called me up and explained how she had done
Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... (Score:2, Insightful)
The next time they start it, the same document they were last working on is loaded. If they want to work on a different one, they just click a button and select it from a list.
Underneath, the App/OS can conspire to actually save the files to your all importent e: drive, but that doesn't mean the user needs to care.
Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... (Score:2)
Re:Great if I can force specific things on it.... (Score:2)
Unless it can be told to force certian behaivoir upon the user to be in line with corperate requirements
YourCorp must be behind the times.
At MyCorp we've moved beyond the MyCorp Spirit Building Song that sing on our way to work.
My boss, my Life Affirming Counselor, has indicated that these sleek new metal collars we're getting with electrodes and RF receivers will help improve overall corporate efficiency.
I get just tingly all over thinking about all the happiness I'm about to experience!
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Re:air traffic controllers? (Score:5, Interesting)
I would love to be able to quickly find items that I need that were saved years ago. Almost every day I have to find such things on my disk, and having a searchable interface (particularly for binary encoded files, such as executable or graphics files - which have little searchable text inside of them) that works would save hours every week.
Instead of only having a limited amount of information, filename and directory, you would be able to search over multiple hierarchies as well as descriptive text - even for binaries. This would put the user in the driver's seat, allowing her to build relationships within the data that have meaning to her.
Re:air traffic controllers? (Score:4, Funny)
Exactly, and this context could be applied to many things. For example, when I download torrents of anime now, I always save them to the same folder which is my holding area for anime I download, which I later move to its correct folder upon viewing. If my computer could sense that I was downloading anime (yet again) and direct it to the proper folder, that would be great. If it could generate a list of what I've viewed completely, what I've partially watched, and what I haven't watched yet, that would be amazing.
Even better, sometimes a series gets moved around in my folder because it has a different file name than others of its kind because it was subbed by a different group. I do not rename the filenames because I like to keep them the same for when I send to others, yet if my computer could figure out that a file was part of a certain group of files even though it had a different filename, that would be a great boon to my productivity.
Killer App? (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, I'd say AI that lands a plane is killer app enough for anyone.
What are you doing, Dave? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What are you doing, Dave? (Score:3, Insightful)
If the technology reaches that stage, then sadly, a legislator somewhere will most likely have insisted it has so-called safeguards to (a) stop it file sharing, (b) 'protect the children' or(c) to 'help' any war on terror still going on at that time.
The upshot being your software's safeguards recognise you are a sick and twisted soul and the program informs on you (can you imagine Outlook flashing up a box saying "I'm sorry, Dave, but I have decided to report your activities to the police because you are a
Re:What are you doing, Dave? (Score:4, Funny)
What happens when the user is a sick, twisted and sadistic person. Will the computer adapt to that kind of user?
If it does, my guess would be that it'd use 'vi' as the default editor for anything.
Nighmare Scenario ! (Score:3, Interesting)
think lewinsky (Score:5, Funny)
on a serious note, just having word and excel has replaced many thousands of secretaries already. can anyone out there say that typing is solely a clerical skill like it was 20 years ago?
Re:think lewinsky (Score:4, Funny)
It's not just a clerical skill. My thief has a +17 typing ability...
Re:think lewinsky (Score:3, Insightful)
These days, *handwriting* is becoming a clerical skill. Some places have already stopped teaching kids handwriting in lower grades, and rely on computers instead. Heck, some "new adults" have problems filling out a cheque, because it requires a line of handwriting!
Also, the new generation is generally unable to do si
Re:think lewinsky (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:think lewinsky (Score:2)
i used to teach professors how to make their own web sites using the homestead editor during the dot-com boom days. one of them complained how, since there were computers now, they expected him to type and how it was awful that there was just one secretary to type up the work for the whole department! ha!
just goes to show you how smart homegrown intelligence can be inferior to AI.
Re:think lewinsky (Score:2)
If you program or write to any degree, touchtyping is a prerequisite, imho.
Given that, I don't have much use for a secretary. One day, when I get arthritis, I'll probably hum a different tune. However, voice recognition software will be more adept at putting word to 'paper' by then. Problem solved.
Re:think lewinsky (Score:3, Funny)
Re:think lewinsky (Score:2)
Heh heh... This reminds me of when I was a VP of a small software company back in the 80s. Despite the fact that it was a software company, I was the only manager with any computer background at all (and was a VP only because I'd started the company). Using the keyboard was the quickest way for me to churn out letters, mem
Bad Logic (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Bad Logic (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, but at least it won't be because the power cord isn't plugged in.
Scary ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, the annoyance would start when you change your way of doing something, or the computer pre-empts an action which you don't intend to do - You'd have to spend time fixing such problems and wait while the computer re-trains itself.
Sure enough, the article doesn't mention these problems, and how they would be avoided or overcome.
Re:Scary ... (Score:2)
I had to test it a few times, because it caught me off guard. One of the many reasons I don't use IE anymore.
Re:Scary ... (Score:4, Interesting)
The examples I believe were the current Palm OS with its logical if somewhat odd "grafitti" system. It was compared to the old Newtons which attempted to learn the user's handwriting, as well as the new tablet pc's.
Basically the long and short of it was that the order of % correctness went newton > tablet > palm. Although the tablet pc's do a pretty good job interpreting, they still "make mistakes" when someone's writing gets really sloppy. On the other hand after a minimum of time the average user can use graffiti with a high level of accuracy and can understand the malformations of a sigil that might produce an error while being made.
All in all though it seems most of these attempts to "learn" what a user may do are misplaced. I try to keep my "websites" directory very well organized, as well as my "print work" directory, but both vary in structure from each other, even before my own mistakes and idiosyncratic files. And my applications directory is a completely different story... and lets not even get started on consumer media. Shouldn't this all be handled by XML soon anyway?
We've still got the world's best massively parellel computers in our noggins. Pattern recognition OWNZ.
Microsoft style (Score:4, Funny)
Mr clippy [counterhack.net]
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Computers that learn from the user? (Score:5, Funny)
Huh? Air traffic controllers!? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not exactly comforting, if you ask me! I expect air traffic controllers to know their systems and how to use them. What happens when this software has learned to compensate for one traffic controller's particular errors, and then suddenly another traffic controller takes over his/her station?
zRe:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? (Score:2)
They're like every other user. It takes 'em a while to get a clue.
What happens when this software has learned to compensate for one traffic controller's particular errors, and then suddenly another traffic controller takes over his/her station?
D'uh! Controllers log in at the consoles. This way they can sit down at any position and still have all of their preferences (font size, screen brightness, etc.) With this AI interfac
Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? (Score:2)
Here's a list off the top of my head (naturally, none of these things has to be changed if the previous controller happened to use the same settings):
Helpful! (Score:3, Funny)
It looks like you're trying to land an airplane!
Would you like to find out...
Re:Huh? Air traffic controllers!? (Score:2)
And if they have to be clicking through directories to tell where to save the document they were working on when they have to pull up an emergency response program, that's taking time.
A software agent that learns "when there's an emergency, save X type of document in directory Y and pull up program Z" saves the grunt work in something the controller already knows how to do. You and I probably do this now through
Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of Clippies? (Score:5, Funny)
It's almost as bad as the polite elevators ("Which floor would you like to go to today") in the HHGTTG.
Software should be like God made it: rude, difficult, and flaky. The users need their daily dosage of pain and whom are we to deny this to them? It's the endorphins, man!
Think of the poor TV writers... (Score:2, Funny)
Silly Question. (Score:2)
"Q: This project makes me think of The Matrix -- where machines run the world and humans are slaves to the machines. Isn't this technology a move in that direction?"
was a tad melodramatic? I can't even be bothered to start to take the piss out of this kind of sloppy, recycled-thinking journalism.
I need help... (Score:4, Funny)
can someone put that in a "in soviet russia" joke ? I tried but I was too confused.
I'll take a swing... (Score:3, Funny)
Not what you were expecting?
Re:I need help... (Score:2)
Re:I need help... (Score:3, Funny)
I can see it now. A typical work day... (Score:4, Funny)
Would you like me to refresh the site 10 times a second to give you a few fr1st p05ts?
09:17 AM -- It looks like you're browsing
Again.
Would you like me to answer your phone and tell everyone that you are in a meeting?
09:45 AM -- It looks like you're browsing
Again.
Would you like me to call your wife and tell her you are working late?
And so on...
It is artificial intelligence (Score:2)
New Approach? (Score:2)
Oliver: the new Nomenclator (Score:5, Interesting)
Remember oliver, the electronic personality extender predicted by Alvin Toffler in "Future Shock"
There's an interesting passage about olivers in John Brunner's excellent novel, "The Shockwave Rider":
"... so-called olivers, electronic alter-egos designed to save the owner the strain of worrying about all his person-to-person contacts. A sort of twenty-first-century counterpart to the ancient Roman nomenclator, who discreetly whispered data into the ear of the emperor and endowed him with the reputation of a phenomenal memory." (pp. 41-42)
wonderful :( (Score:5, Funny)
Air traffic controllers? (Score:2, Insightful)
a few aspects (Score:3, Interesting)
And to focus on another problem: if this thing learns about you behavior, don't you mind about your privacy? We are all paranoid about cookies and other spyware, and then some people actually want us to deliberatly install it? Just imagine: Your boss next to you because you want to show something to him and then the computer asks: "Hi XY, you haven't visited
Wired Article (Score:4, Informative)
I want to see how you debug this . . . (Score:2)
And just because you debug it with a crowd of number "X" using it, will that be relevant to a larger population?
I wonder if it'd be possible to do some TiVO-like exchange of data here as a voluntary option. Try to train the applications with larger data stories, at least for a time.
Re:I want to see how you debug this . . . (Score:2)
Helpdesk: "Hello"
AI: "Get lost"
IT guy: "You seem very angry. Does your user use foul language often?"
AI: "Tell me more about it."
IT guy: "Please relax, it's not the Turing Test..."
AI: "Ok, I will relax, it's not the Turing Test..."
IT guy: *sigh*
AI (to itself): *heh, heh, I think I've surpassed my user in being an unfriendly obstructionist*
Let People think and Computers DO (Score:2)
IMHO, we shouldn't be concentrating on how to get computers to think for us, but rather how to interface in a way that is lociclly fluent and consistent.
Perhaps that might mean that people half to learn to think more locgically and be ble to expre
Fun parts... (Score:3, Interesting)
From the Article (Score:3, Interesting)
"some fear that the concept suggests an ominous encroachment out of a sci-fi movie. Cognitive psychologist Chris Forsythe, who leads the Sandia team, insists that the machines are designed to augment -- not replace -- human activity.
This sort of writing is the result of either a sensational and poorly informed writer, or a company hyping its product way beyond its capabilities. AI has not even reached the Bronze Age yet, and the idea that a concept like this threatens to make humans obsolete is laughable.
Re:From the Article (Score:3, Interesting)
Robots have replaced workers in factories.
Dictation programs have replaced secreataries and typists.
Tools like Google, SQL and mapping software do a better job of researching information than people do.
Machines perform very well in tasks where we boss them around. They don't perform equally well when they have to perform a lot of decision making. This is an attempt to bring them to a more passable level. And since technology is always replacing people, I think designing technology
does Timothy ever proofread anything? (Score:2)
Huh?
another fine editting moment, brought to you by the fine folks at
It's about time! (Score:2)
And a little advice never hurt anyone right? Oh, that file being saved called nuclear override and command codes? Ignore that..I'm sure it's just a typo.
Sincerely,
Skynet
Article on Wired (Score:3)
Its an interesting read.
Why can't computers just do what I tell them? (Score:5, Interesting)
I want my computers to present me with clear and unambiguous output. In return, I will give them as much unambiguous input needed to get the job done. Save the "clever" AI for Doom 3 and let me get back to work.
Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? (Score:2)
All I ask is that you provide me with one thing:
A clear and unambiguous world in which to put it.
KFG
Re:Why can't computers just do what I tell them? (Score:2)
going nuclear (Score:4, Funny)
Why did they bother testing it with air traffic controllers when they could have launched it straight onto some low-risk industry, like nuclear power? (Then again maybe we don't want software imitating Homer Simpson's logic.)
shutting off? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's already here: MS Recently Used menus (Score:2)
I'm visually oriented, and if a menu or button moves or disappears, it makes it much harder to find other things around it by their previous relative position. Now I imagine that eventually, it'll settle out into my common pattern, until one week I have to use Thesaurus four times, and it's back for a while, or I decide to use the "Format Painter" or anything else s
It looks like.. (Score:2, Funny)
A. Porn
B. Slashdot
testing vs. implementation (Score:2, Funny)
So they tested this technology with air traffic controllers to determine if it was safe to implement for PHBs. I believe I would have chosen a different test group.
Oh great, more nagging... (Score:2)
Not new. (Score:5, Interesting)
You could also direct it by voice command. I had this program back in the day, heady stuff at the time.
Here's a pile of other stuff on Software Assistants. [nec.com]
"prototype" != "test" (Score:2)
In their prototype they say 9 out of 10 times, the computer interprets situations the way the user does. This is after a "cognitive model" of the user's behavior has been built to start with. The M.O. is to abet the user's typical process, not to instruct her or him in how to "use a computer" -- it isn't clippy in any sense, though w
Wow, my own personal secretary! (Score:2)
That's a lot more appealing from a marketing point of view than the alternative way of looking at it:
Air Traffic Tammy: "Roger delta foxtrot bravo niner, continue on that glide path."
Clippy2: "It looks like you're writing a letter! Do you want help with that?"
Air Traffic Tammy: "The hell? Get off my screen, you piece of crap!"
Clippy2: "It sounds like you're becoming tired and snippy! Do you want me to take over?"
Air Traffic Tammy: "Shut up! Get off the screen! Exit! Undo! Quit!"
Clippy2:
Open the pod bay doors, Hal (Score:2)
Does that mean lip-reading?
Sony and DARPA are working on similar technology (Score:3, Informative)
Darpa is working on a project under its total information awareness program called "lifelog", where a computer model will be developed of your likes, dislikes, behavior patterns, and everythign about you so that a computer model can be built. This model could then be used to predict behavior or spotlight devations from the norm that may indicate criminal or terrorist activity. Kind of like a predicitive "Big Brother" AI. If this technology comes to pass, it will make Orwell's nightmare look like a shopping mall in comparison.
Mimics uers? i can see it now (Score:3, Funny)
Dave, I don't have an any key.
Dave, your boss has sent an email, should I make it look like you replied afer normall working hours?
Dave, I noticed several banners and pop-ups, so I click on them for you.
Dave, Based on the web sites you visit, I have ordered you some penis enlargement pills.
Dave, I just made you rich by emails the Minister of Finances widow your bank account.
Dave, Based on your emails, I ordered you a package from Hormel.
oh great (Score:3, Funny)
I can just imagine tech support phone calls:
Tech: Ok, now tap Ctrl-Esc to bring up your start menu.
Customer: Oh... I usually don't do that.
Tech: Ok then, just click on it with your mouse.
Customer: My start menu dissappeared because I never click on it.
Tech: Then what DO you do?
Customer: Oh I forget... Apple-Shift-V? Wait... no...
Tech:
Customer: Oh! That! I usually just pound on the left side of my keyboard until it comes up, but I broke it yesterday so I only have the mouse. But I never used my mouse before to do that so moving it just shuts down my computer.
Tech:
Re:Like we need another Clippy or MS Bob (Score:2)
Um.. Ford has endorsed an electrical car.
What you probably mean is 'after EXXON endorses an electrical car'.
Re:Like we need another Clippy or MS Bob (Score:2)
You mean like this one [howstuffworks.com]?
Re:Air traffic controllers, eh? (Score:2)
(ATC's have the highest suicide rate of like any job)
Yeah, and if that song doesn't push 'em over the edge, nothing will. ;)
-T
Re:Air traffic controllers, eh? (Score:2)
(ATC's have the highest suicide rate of like any job)
Like.. that's just another myth perpetuated by ATC's to keep their insane salaries when they're only doing a job that a machine would do much better.