Mozilla Thunderbird 0.2 Released 431
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla Thunderbird 0.2 is out! For those who haven't heard about it yet, Mozilla Thunderbird is mozilla.org's new standalone mail client and sister product to Mozilla Firebird. According to MozillaZine's article on the release, new features include 'a redesigned Options dialogue, spell checker improvements, enhancements to the default theme and better performance and stability'. More information can be found at the Mozilla Thunderbird Project Page and in the release notes (which include the important information that a clean install is vital). Builds are available for Windows (7.3Mb), Mac OS (11.1Mb) and Linux (9.5Mb) or you can download the source (29.1Mb) and build it yourself for extra geek points."
Confused (Score:2, Funny)
Why not pick a diffrent GMC product name just to confuse us!
Hornet
Gremlen
I don't enjoy this mental image of a drunk on the street with drinking from his paperbag while browsing the web.
Re:Confused (Score:3, Funny)
And all this time I thought the Thunderbird was a Ford...
Re:Confused (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Confused (Score:2, Funny)
No one can remember if Firebird / Thunderbird is a Pontiac / Ford product. But everyone can remember the Gremlin was an AMC product.
Re:Confused (Score:3, Informative)
The Firebird is a 6-string guitar, and the Thunderbird is a 4-string bass - both made by the Gibson guitar company. [gibson.com]
Below are links to the respective instruments:
Gibson Firebird guitar [gibson.com].
Gibson Thunderbird bass guitar [gibson.com].
Re:Confused (Score:5, Funny)
One feature I want... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:One feature I want... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:One feature I want... (Score:5, Insightful)
Mozilla Calendar (Score:5, Informative)
I don't think it's got the advanced scheduling capability of Outlook (yet?) but you can share calendars by publishing them to a WebDAV server. You can get a free, open source WebDAV server with either mod_dav for Apache, or with the Jakarta Tomcat 4.1.x releases.
Re:One feature I want... (Score:5, Informative)
Sure, I can use the Ximian connector for Exchange, but I don't want to pay for something that I only use at work (and work will not pay for it, because they don't support Linux desktops). Plus, I don't think it supports full exchange functionality.
IMAP doesn't cut it either. It'll allow me to view email on Exchange, but the contacts and appointments and tasks and mail filter aren't available.
I really ought to try coding it myself. Just never enough hours in the week.
Re:One feature I want... (Score:5, Interesting)
The better solution is to develope a sane, open protocol that ANY developer could use, including Microsoft. Then would could have all the alternative programs (you know, mostly OSS) start using it and to start pressuring for more interoperablility from MS. Yes, I know, that's a long shot. But if we do all the work for them, they are more inclined to use it. Anyway, that's my two cents.
69 dollars worth of software (Score:5, Insightful)
Just out of curioustiy: at what price-point will most people in your situation actually buy the dang thing? What if it was 29.99? How cheap are you?
Or better yet why doesn't Ximian offer a student discount?
It blows my mind that hard-core linux types will put 10 hours into figuring out some trivial problem but won't blow 70 dollars on a piece of software that will let them use Exchange.
"So Ted, what did you do today?"
"I wrote a script that gets my email from OWA 2000 and puts it in a comma deliminated file on one of my linux partitions. Then I wrote an app that will take this file and run a fake POP3 server for me to get the emails. Pretty good eh?"
"How much time did you spend on this, Ted?"
"I dunno, 3 or 4 hours."
"Dont you bill $50 an hour."
"Yep."
"Why dont you just buy the damn connector?"
*long pause*
"Cause Stallman says proprietary software is bad? Oh man, I need help."
It's about personal value (Score:3, Insightful)
Hackers highly value their problem solving abilities. The satisfaction of finding a solution far outways the simplicity of buy it. It's just a matter of what's more valuable to a person, having a solution or building it.
Re:It's about personal value (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One feature I want... (Score:5, Informative)
Exchange server offers web based e-mail.
Unfortunatly, both Exchange protocal and Mapi are closed protocals that require a license to implement presently from microsoft. This is not to say I wouldn't use a 3rd party generated exchange complient software, only that microsoft has teenage mutent ninga lawyers defending their protocals.
But try pop3 or imap, Exchange server usually includes both those standards as well unless the admin has disabled them some some ungodly reason.
Re:One feature I want... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:One feature I want... (Score:3, Insightful)
[grain of salt]
Nope.... It's not like there are lots [lotus.com] of competetive [matadordesign.com] groupware [novell.com] products and services [officeclip.com] out there... Just that for some crazy reason, people still choose Microsoft, who are proven leaders in designing secure, easy to use products.
[/grain of salt]
In Other News... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In Other News... (Score:5, Funny)
Your current moderated status seems to disagree, henceforth I am suing you for misadvertising your comment. I'll see you in court!
Nice guide to Thunderbird (Score:5, Informative)
Norwegian [nidelven-it.no]
It's from Norway, it must be good.
If you want a little speed boost (Score:5, Informative)
Re:If you want a little speed boost (Score:5, Funny)
Don't you mean: "If you are running Gentoo Linux, all your software is currently being compiled and optimized for your hardware." ?
I upgraded... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I upgraded... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I upgraded... (Score:3, Informative)
Something really changed I think. Before most of the junk mail was going to my inbox, and usually one or two junk mails, plus a false positive were in the junk mail box.
Don't know what you did but thanks hotmail.
Moz 0.2 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Moz 0.2 (Score:2, Funny)
Convert your friends now! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Convert your friends now! (Score:3, Funny)
I will run pine or die!
When... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:When... (Score:2)
Re:OK then, when... (Score:2)
Speed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Speed (Score:2)
Mozilla's embedded mail client, even the latest version, has major issues... the message display pane likes to go apeshit. There's a bugzilla thread, in which the de
Re:Speed (Score:5, Insightful)
I've got to say: if you're installing alpha software on your family's machines, you're just begging to do free tech support.
Re:Speed (Score:2)
What about my hotmail? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What about my hotmail? (Score:5, Informative)
http://hotwayd.sourceforge.net
Re:What about my hotmail? (Score:2)
It's a really nifty program that lets you read hotmail, yahoo and many other web based emails in your thunderbird inbox. I give it 2 thumbs.
Something I've been wondering (Score:5, Interesting)
They could call them, oh, I don't know, Hummingbird and Lovebird.
Re:Something I've been wondering (Score:2, Informative)
http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/daniel
Re:Something I've been wondering (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Something I've been wondering (Score:2)
Alright (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Alright (Score:5, Informative)
Mozilla Thunderbird? (Score:5, Funny)
The release notes don't mention ... (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it handle gpg any better than it did before? Evolution users couldn't verify messages signed with thunderbird perviously.
Re:The release notes don't mention ... (Score:5, Informative)
Why yes. Yes, there is!
Just put this in your user.js file in the profile folder:
user_pref("mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new", true);
Note that the prefs file can be tricky to find. On XP, it's usually in
C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\default\%random%.slt
Information for other operating systems here [texturizer.net]
Remember to quit Thunderbird first, otherwise it'll overwrite your changes.
I'm all for .. (Score:3, Interesting)
Its the killer net-wired computer app, and Microsoft is taking away the free treat. Interesting to see what happens with Mozilla's email client.
I wonder what Eudora Lite is like these days?
Quick, tiny review (Score:5, Informative)
Why do I think of Steve Martin... (Score:5, Funny)
GPG Support (Score:3, Interesting)
If this client stays as solid as it seems to be, and is able to maintain good GPG support, I think I am going to be *very* pleased.
Trying to switch from Mozilla... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm trying to switch over from Mozilla to Firebird and Thunderbird, but I've run into a few niggles. On the Thunderbird side, for instance, is there any way to open links in a new Firebird tab? In Mozilla's MailNews, I like being able to middle-click to open URLs in a new browser tab :).
And, on the Firebird side, is there a way to turn on inline-autocomplete for the URL bar? (If you're not familiar with inline-autocomplete, it's when the top-match dynamically appears in the URL bar as you type.)
Other than that, I'm also looking for a DOM Inspector extension for Firebird as well. Yeah, there are some one-off XPIs [mozillazine.org] to get the DOM Inspector in Firebird, but I'm concerned that they may not be actively developed. For instance, if the Firebird extensions API changes, I'm not sure if someone would step up to release a new DOM Inspector XPI :-/.
Re:Trying to switch from Mozilla... (Score:2)
Christopher
Re:Trying to switch from Mozilla... (Score:2, Informative)
You can always drag'n'drop onto the tab area...
Re:Trying to switch from Mozilla... (Score:5, Informative)
Related mozilla bug is here: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17296
Inline autocomplete-- go to chrome://communicator/content/pref/pref.xul in Firebird (copy the location as above). Go to Navigator > Smart Browsing > Location Bar Autocomplete. Sorry, I don't remember the value of the actual pref in prefs.js.
Why? (Score:5, Funny)
Memory Footprint? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Memory Footprint? (Score:2, Informative)
I just started up OE (having never used it before) and it clocked in at about 12 megs.
Two questions (Score:3, Interesting)
2) Does Thunderbird bounce mail? Unfortunately, I have no clue what bouncing mail means, although it has something to do with stopping spam with SpamAssassin. My brother says he'll only switch from Eudora as soon as it can bounce email.
Re:Two questions (Score:5, Informative)
With regards to your second question, generally speaking "bouncing" is something that only mail servers can do. What Thunderbird can do is identify spam and filter it to a "Junk" folder (or just delete it right away).
Re:Two questions (Score:2)
I was bouncing messages in Pine last decade. I don't see why a client can't bounce it - it should just add itself to the envelope as one of the hops the message relayed through.
Re:Two questions (Score:2, Informative)
the only real way is to reject during transmission, and that's a server side config.
I've been using mozilla 1.5a for a while, and thunderbird 0.2a (time to upgrade! woot) and both of them are very good with their adaptive junkmail f
Long term plans? (Score:5, Interesting)
When is this supposed to be ready? What is the long term plan for version 1.0? Does anybody have a clue, or will it follow after Debian and release when it's ready? The Mozilla Foundation is very different to Debian, and I think they need to provide more foresight. How long do people foresee it being until they spin off a stable branch meant as a replacement to for Mail/News in Mozilla 1.4? Anpther year?
Re:Long term plans? (Score:3, Interesting)
Sending mail might require you to cc/bcc yourself if you usually save outgoing messages too. A bit of a PITA, but it would reduce any risk in experimenting with new email clients.
Multipart mime attachements? (Score:3, Funny)
Try Extensions (Score:4, Informative)
Just type response in a little box below the message and hit enter. Jobs done!.
Please tell me I'm missing something.... (Score:3, Informative)
1) filtering (to folders) outgoing messages. I want all messages from OR TO certain people to automatically go into my, say, "work" folder.
2) sorting messages by "the other party", whether sender or reciever. In Eudora its just called "who". Within my, say, "work" folder, I might want to find all correspondance with, say, Bob. I don't want to first sort by sender, then the recipient. I want to see them all Bob messages, together.
I moved from Outlook Express to Eudora years ago because it didn't have these essential features....please tell me thunderbird has them somewhere but I'm just not seeing them.
Re:Please tell me I'm missing something.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, I want what Eudora has, I'm sure others must have it.
The field is called "Who" (rather than "Sender" or "Recipient"). So if I am the sender, the Who field would contain the recipient. If I am the recipient, the Who field contains the sender.
See http://www.eudora.com/email/43/screenshot.html [eudora.com]
(outgoing messages are shown in italic to distinguish them from incoming)
It is SO much more useful that
Palm Desktop and Thunderbird (Score:5, Interesting)
Memory Usage of TB + FB vs Mozilla 1.4 (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Memory Usage of TB + FB vs Mozilla 1.4 (Score:3, Informative)
A suggestion (long-term) (Score:3, Interesting)
I've been wondering if piping all the email to a true database engine wouldn't be an interesting option for those that want to endure the process of setting it up. MySQL is fast, lean, and I'm guessing that the initial load time when opening the e-mail client might be cut substantially.
Why is it so big? (Score:4, Interesting)
Outlook/.pst operability? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm already a fan of Firebird. Maybe someone here could answer a question I couldn't find in the FAQ. Can I use Mozilla Mail or Thunderbird to access my Outlook *.pst file to use my stored e-mail addresses (which I keep synced with my palm pilot through Outlook)? I would happily switch over if it did that.
If not, maybe this is a plugin worth making. It would ease the transition of many current Outlook users. Oh, and please don't tell me I can import the addresses. That's no use to me if I can't keep things synchronized with my palm pilot.
Re:Pardon me. (Score:2)
Re:Pardon me. (Score:2)
Re:The Mozilla project is dying! (Score:3, Informative)
I have been using ThunderBird for email for quite a while now, and recommended to everyone. I even got my father to switch. The new suite is absolutly incredable. Quicker then the bloated netscape code, smaller, easier to use. This is what will keep the Mozilla Foundation alive, and im sure they know it too.
Besides when has market share had anything to do with if a OSS project stays aliv
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
In the future you won't d/l the Moz suite, you'll d/l the Firebird browser, and the Thunderbird mail client if you, and so on and so forth... all components will be separate.
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Re:Why? (Score:2, Informative)
I miss the little launchbar on the bottom of Moz though...
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:2)
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:2)
well, considering mozilla is playing the open source community, and therefore linux, i think it makes sense. i would bet that plenty of people have linux boxes with 32mb of RAM.
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:2)
Firebird. Thunderbird.
We could go a couple of different ways for upcoming projects...
Cars:
Taurus
Pinto
Beetle
Wine:
Mad Dog
Cisco
Wild Irish Road
Re:Thank you for the explination (Score:2)
Re:I'd Love too, but.... (Score:5, Informative)
Tools...Import...Mail
Tools...Import...Settings
Re:I'd Love too, but.... (Score:2)
Mail.app is 'teh suXor' for me with IMAP.
I think I read somewhere that the cause may be that Courier-IMAP needs a folder named Inbox on the client.
I'm too lazy to look into fixing it so I'm moving to Thunderbird.
Easier to download Thunderbird and drag it to the Applications folder, how lazy am I?
I do hear that Apple has made great strides with Mail.app with 10.3 so that might make me move back to Mail.app, until then its Tbird all the way.
Re:I'd Love too, but.... (Score:3, Informative)
Start Thunderbird and setup your account.
Go to -->C:\Documents and Settings\me\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\default\0qql5ql7.slt\Ma i l
and paste the mail folder there.
As far as recreating your filters goes, it shouldn't take you to long to recreate them. They are very simple to create.
I hope this mak
Re:I'd Love too, but.... (Score:3, Informative)
Since the two read the same type of profiles it should pick up everything, including settings and filters automatically.
There is some editing of directories and paths that you will have to update in your user.js file I believe.
Search the mozillazine.com forums. That is where I found the info when I needed to switch.
Re:I'd Love too, but.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:thunderbird is good (Score:2, Informative)
It makes any newsreader yENC capable. I have been using it to make my older version of Agent yEnc capable for over a year.
Re:good now maybe they can get plugins (Score:2)
I have two in my Apple Mail client -- one for GPGMail [sente.ch] and another for reporting spam [subsume.com] to spamcop.net.
It's rather good (Score:4, Informative)
FYI, I am not using the official 0.2 build but a special optimised Thunderbird build by Scott Walker [mozillazine.org] [2003-09-03, tho the About dialog says 2003-08-29.]
Now the main things that need work are memory footprint reduction [23 MB right now], access to functionality [like being able to set/reset the master password] and some annoying bugs such as improper rewrap in text edit mode. The latter is present in Mozilla Mail as well, but it's been there too long.
Of course you get it. (Score:5, Interesting)
Having said that, you'll notice from my earlier post I'm not happy about the code bloat and huge memory footprint. The tolerance is there, but because of other reasons such as trustworthiness.
A personal note: while I do applaud your efforts to negate the bias around here, I'd be more impressed if you adopted a more neutral attitude. Thanks!
Cheers,
CD
Re:Coincidence of Doom (Score:2)
Re:Blah (Score:3, Informative)
We need more specifics about your problem.
The best place for you to get this fixed is the Thunderbird Bugs [mozillazine.org] forum.
Post a description of your problem with details and exactly what you do to get to the point where you can't run TB.
Just to throw you a bone, make sure you are unzipping TB with all the folders in the zip intact.
Re:none of the mozilla mail clients can talk SSL (Score:4, Interesting)
regardless, why aren't you using your isp's mail server? it's there for a reason. unless there is something wrong with it, like it delays mail unreasonably or loses mail, you should be using it. if you really want a smtp log on your own machine, set up your mta to use a relay host. in any case, what does your isp blocking outgoing smtp have to do with what email client you use?