Chic Gear to Suit Net Generation 208
Roland Piquepaille writes "In this article, BBC News Online says that fashion specialists and engineers are preparing the next generation of wearable computing fashion accessories. Current ones are too conspicuous and expensive. Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves. And Dr. Dianne Jones from textile company SOFTswitch, maker of the Burton Amp jacket which integrates an Apple iPod, thinks that the wearable computing industry will grow rapidly. She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components. This summary contains more details and references."
I'm a skeptic. (Score:5, Interesting)
She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Unless she's including RFID tags, that 20% figure sounds far too high. I can't believe that one-fifth of socks, pants, underwear, shirts, etc will contain electronic components in 10 short years.
Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned? Will they be safe to throw in our 2003 "stone age" washing machines when 2013 rolls around?
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure Symantec will come up with something...
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, the person quoted works for SOFTswitch, the manufacturer of the fabric. I don't doubt they'll come up with a proprietary detergent needed to clean their fabrics without harm.
She has a vested interest in making this fabric's future sound inevitable. Certainly it is coming but consider the source when reading fawning quotes.
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:2)
Unintentional pun I hope...
subscription laundry detergent (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah. The world's first yearly-subscription laundry detergent.
re: subscription laundry detergent (Score:3, Funny)
think of the new meanings to other expressions, though:
1. emperor's new clothes--windows security.
2. "threadbare"--you should really update the BIOS on that old concert jersey.
3. "flash"-anything--ick. or potentially, "oo", depending on the wearer...
ed
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:2)
I like having technology at hand, but I also don't like having it touching me.
Given the complexity of human life, I wonder if all of these gadgets will be a modern lead pipe
The hyperlink on 'pipe' looks clogged:
http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/history/muhlb
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:3, Insightful)
So, your great plan for next gen clothing is... the pocket?
If only you had a time machine, you could go back to 1998, start a .com, and cash out before the crash.
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:2, Funny)
Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned?
Geeks don't clean their clothes.
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:2)
Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned?
A very valid question considering the cleanliness of the type of people most likely to be attracted to these clothes
It's back to the future III ! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:It's back to the future III ! (Score:2)
That's Back To The Future II.
In the third movie they go back to the old west. Cowboys and whatnot. Its in the second movie that they have the power-lace nike sneakers and the auto-fit auto-dry talking jacket.
Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:3, Insightful)
This will give sleezy creepy $8/hour 'security guards' an excuse to take female customers into back rooms and strip search them in lieu of threats, detainment, or arrest.
Sure, if you're rich, you can sue, threaten, or avoid stores with oppressive and primitive alarm systems (like Fred Meyer).
But if you're not rich, it's just one more mean stupid thing that the technological community
Re:Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:2)
But we don't want them to feel left out, either, so we've created these handy ID-tracker collars for them... they're very hip, urban, and fashionable.
Re:Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:2)
At first, I thought perhaps you were living outside of the U.S. but then I saw you reference Fred Meyer, a west coast chain. Hired security are not officers of the law. They are not allowed to carry firearms, and the only badge they sport is their security company's logo, and maybe their name tag.
They do not have the authority to detain you, unless you have been seen, either with video survelliance or
Re:Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:2)
Re:Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:2)
> customers into back rooms and strip search them in lieu of threats, detainment,
> or arrest.
This is in reply to just this point, and thus is now off topic, and nothing to do with the thread.. but:
Those security guards.. or anyone that works at the store.. They are NOT allowed to physically touch you or force you to do anything legally.
They may be able to attempt to prevent you from leaving the store by, say, holdi
Re:Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... (Score:2)
Of course the flip side is that a wrongful arrest suit could c
Clearly not for the Slashdot audience (Score:4, Funny)
Heck, what's the point of being a geek if your wearable gear doesn't draw attention?
Re:I'm a skeptic. (Score:3, Insightful)
Right now, I can stick my PDA, Walkman, Phone and watch (or even leave behind those bits I'm not needing) in the pockets of any item of clothing with pockets big enough to store them. This way, I only need one of each, and replace the one component that needs to be done if it breaks or is replaced with a better model.
Stick it all built into clothes, and you've not only massively increased the price of the clothes, but I need to worry about which ja
Oh, great... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh, great... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Oh, great... (Score:2)
Re:Oh, great... (Score:2)
Please, don't ever say that again.
Ever.
That is more scary than the Ring.
Re:Oh, great... (Score:2)
ahh dvorak (Score:5, Funny)
Re:ahh dvorak (Score:3, Insightful)
People hate the current state of affairs less than they hate change.
Re:ahh dvorak (Score:2, Informative)
The Dvorak (Joseph) in the article works for Motorola, while the Dvorak you are referencing (John Dvorak) writes for a PC mag.
The Dvoraks (Score:2)
I don't think he was referring to John Dvorak either...
Re:ahh dvorak (Score:2)
But lets see how this one turns out. Clothing is getting more revealing, and at the same time we want to incorporate technology into it?
Fit an ipod in a gstring if you expect anyone to be wearing it by 2013
Cuz thats all girls will be wearing! If that!
Re:ahh dvorak (Score:2)
It has to be asked....? (Score:3, Funny)
Interesting, it would mean computing power was greater in winter with more clothing layers.
Sorry for using "interesting" and Beowulf cluster" in the same post.
Troc
hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Re:hmm (Score:3, Funny)
Three minutes of "shaking"?
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Re:hmm (Score:2)
Alternately, if your dick is dripping that much, I don't think shaking is the answer. Consider intravenous penicillin.
Clothes (Score:2, Funny)
... Why ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, PDA's are really coming along, in a couple years you'll have a fully functional computer inside a PDA with free wireless and everything you need. And if you need to hide for a while, its easy to 'forget' your computer in the house or car. You can't really do that with clothing.
Re:... Why ? (Score:2)
And also, I just want the tech developed so I can have a wearable display. My ultimate goal is to be fed intravenously while lying in a bed with half a keyboard under each hand. I need the wearable display.
Re:... Why ? (Score:2)
I heard this argument a lot from friends who don't (or didn't) have cell phones - "But I don't want to always answer the phone!"
I have a cell phone. I even leave it turned on all the time (good standby time, and I plug it in every night). Guess what, tho - I don't always answer it. I let calls come in, I look at the caller ID, and I answer it or let it go to voice mail. The
Re:... Why ? (Score:2)
I would ask why WOULDN'T you? If you could have easy access to the internet or your files whereever you went, and didn't need to carry a handheld constantly, it would be a godsend. Not to mention I have an almost fetish-like fantasy for becoming a gargoyle like the ones in Snowcrash.
Re:... Why ? (Score:2)
Because you live north of the Arctic Circle and the computer you'd be wearing has an AMD processor.
Wow! From 0% to 20%. (Score:4, Interesting)
Riiight.
Its amazing how much these researchers get blinders on and inflate the importance of their research. There must be a term for this.
Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. (Score:2, Insightful)
And? There are almost 300 million people in America. I expect that number to grow by quite a bit by the year 2013. If each of those people purchase only ONE item of clothing in a year, they will need to make a lot more than 220 million articles of clothing in 2013.
Even if you're referring to 20% cyber-clothing being 220 million articles, that doesn't sound exorbitant. That would assume
Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. (Score:3, Insightful)
"Research Grant Application"
Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. (Score:3, Funny)
Wow... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
she's an expert? (Score:5, Funny)
um... sewing an ipod-sized pocket into a jacket somehow makes her an expert on trends in embedded systems?
Well hell, I can fit five AA cells in my mouth -- I say in 6 months we'll all be living underwater on the moon!
Now where's my consulting fee?
All together now... (Score:5, Funny)
Let it out slowly.
Now chant.
"It's OK to spend part of my day away from computers and the Internet."
Repeat as necessary.
Wiggle your toes and clench your buttocks if that helps. Actually, that's good advice for any time of day.
Re:All together now... (Score:2)
>"It's OK to spend part of my day away from computers and the Internet."
Yeah, you say that. I'm not taking the risk.
Re:All together now... (Score:2)
Re:All together now... (Score:2)
Now, now. Don't knock the stone age. For one thing, relationships were much easier back then, the Flintstones notwithstanding. Instead of an expensive car, all you needed was a club.
ISWC 2003 (Score:5, Informative)
On a related note, the International Symposium on Wearable Computing [iswc.net] is being held this October 21-23 in White Plains, NY.
One of these days I'll attend one...
Re:ISWC 2003 (Score:2)
In the wash.. (Score:5, Funny)
Oh damn its in the wash..
What I want (Score:4, Interesting)
Doing things like facial recognition and putting people's names under them and maybe some information you wanted to remember about them. Like 'don't ask john about his wife'.
Re:What I want (Score:2)
Re:What I want (Score:2)
haha...sort of like driving 2 miles to the gymn, only to go 4 miles on the treadmill/stationary-bike.
Bugs of the future (Score:5, Funny)
OK
Always Trust the Microsoft Corporation
I've been violated
Re:Bugs of the future (Score:2)
...and any comments about your boxers containing a WORM will be ignored! ;-)
I bet they don't (Score:4, Interesting)
Integrating electronics into clothing gives you a many to many problem, you have to be wearing this for that to work etc. Then there's the batteries, washing, changes in fashion, worn out clothing etc.
The ability to stick this electronic device into that pocket gives you a many to one relationship and will remove any market demand for integrated devices. In fact they are a disfeature[1].
[1] Is that a real word? Go on, pedants you know you want to look it up for me.
Re:I bet they don't (Score:2, Interesting)
Well... (Score:2)
Hopefully she isn't referring to RFID tags
Current ones are too conspicuous and expensive. (Score:2)
Everything is about fashion, not technology... (Score:2)
He may be good at technology integration, however, he doesn't understand anything about fashion...
The more noticable, the better. However, it needs to be still comfortable and wearable. There is a difference between his picture and mine. When will we get solar-cell fabrics?
Read the article's caption... (Score:3, Funny)
Wearing technology or technology wearing you?
Wow! (Score:2)
Freedom from imposed fashions (Score:2, Interesting)
From a techincal point of view, a shirt calculating your blood pressure , sugar or alcool level in your blood and other medical parameters would be a very valuable tool, as long as it doesn't also broadcast the data like the nasty RDIF tag in theory could.
Phillips Design (Score:2, Informative)
They published a super-cool book called New Nomads [philips.com] a few years back where they propose some interesting ideas. The book is reeeeeeally hard to find, [you have to order it directly from 010 Publishing from the Netherlands], but the ideas in it, as well as how it is made is way interesting... It even ha
Re:Philips Design (Score:2)
Ob joke (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ob joke (Score:2)
We practially have 20% now... (Score:2)
How many people carry one or more of the following devices with them in a pocket or attached to their beltloop nearly all of the time:
* PDA
* pager
* mobile phone
* music player (LP/walk/disc man, MP3/Ogg, whatever)
* Gameboy
That's 20% ladies and gentlemen. Please deposit $10 consulting fee in that slot in your computer. I collect them using the Internet.
Re:We practially have 20% now... (Score:2, Funny)
LP? as in 12" vinyl? I'm trying to see which pocket that'd go in but I'm having trouble. Anyway, wouldn't it skip?
ooh, you could spool the LP to tape as a buffer and then on to your headphones. *ponder*
Troc
Re:We practially have 20% now... (Score:2)
I make the LP joke, and you get moderated as funny. It ain't fair I tell ya.
Practical (Score:2)
An iPod built into a jacket?? You have to wear the jacket whenever you want to use the iPod! What if it goes out of style?
How about a network-aware wireless microdrive stitched into your wallet, to hold your personal data, PIM info, and for temporary file storage? Now that's useful.
maybe in the next 10 years (Score:2)
Re:maybe in the next 10 years (Score:2)
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While to go yet (Score:4, Interesting)
Went to CompUSA and looked at the only armband they have for my iPod. It's a huge, too-wide band of stretch fabric with the same stupid black leather-and-plastic cover over the iPod itself. Black? Bulky? Did they notice the iPod itself is white and pretty danged sleek? I wanted something that'd be like a watchband to wear, and they gave me scuba gear.
Take a look at technologies that are more mature, and you have a different level of refinement altogether. Binoculars, high end ones, really do give a rip about balance, the strap design distributing weight, and every little detail of focus speed and so on. My Swarovskis cost just under a grand retail, and every little detail of their design reflects thought about how you can use them for days at a time in comfort. No ostentation, just good design.
I don't have that much money (Score:2)
She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.
Has anybody thought about the cost of washing this stuff. It already costs an arm and a leg to get stuff drycleaned. If I could afford these clothes, the washing bill would finish off my bank account.
In some respects I see this happening... (Score:3, Informative)
For my GPS, I have a Radio Shack digitraveler and I run it's cable from the pocket near the sholder to the pocket on the front. When I need to use it, all I have to do is pull the iPaq out of the same pocket and plug it in.
There are so MANY pockets that so far most of mine are empty. I have the storage to take almost everything I want with me all of the time except my laptop and I don't always need it. Now all I need is ScotteShorts for the summer!
Now my question for Slashdotters is why are you TRYING to hide taht your a geek? To me, either you are or your not. You can't alter your appearance much to hid eyour tech obsession. That GPS watch just gives it away!
Re:In some respects I see this happening... (Score:2)
Simple. I like to get laid.
IP infringment (Score:4, Funny)
I think Batman and his belt own the rights to this.
Thats a mediocre statement (Score:2)
To me, that seems like an unbelievably mediocre statement. Considering how logarithmic the expansion of other technologies have been, in much short time frames.
I suppose if you put it in context(ile) you'll see that the garmet industry is painfully slow to adapt to new manufacturing techniques. This is mostly due to the nearly slave labor they employ.
rant --
Does anyone wonder where all the clothing assemb
too conspicuous and expensive. (Score:2)
Rich
The phone number? (Score:2)
Why wearable? (Score:2)
DoS attacks in 2013... (Score:3, Funny)
Kids (Score:2)
Missing the point (Score:2)
What I want is for them to design a cell phone/PDA/computer that's small enough to fit in my pocket, large enough not to get lost, and durable enough not to get scratched up by my keys and loose change or get broken when I fall on it. (This happens often. Don't ask)
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Healthcare informatics and VR (Score:2)
One of the speakers was from the Norwegian Centre for Telemedicine [telemed.no]. He presented various future scenarios. Some of those scenarios involved the use of wearable computers [telemed.no] for doctors and nurses in hospitals, including the use of PDAs and cell phones.
He also talked about remote treatment of patients, such as robotic surgery, or patients putting on VR suits and receiving massage through a computer network. I immidiately thought "Of course the
Technology transfer (Score:2)
What this means is that a 300 pound chick will be able to project a photo of Britney Spears over her torso and you won't know what happened until the next day wh
Is fashion dictated by the industry or to it? (Score:2)
And people (on average) are very finicky about what they wear. A common misconception is that clothing is just a utilitarian thing: carry your keys, protect you from the elements, etc. In fact, clothing is social shorthand for broadcasting certain things about yourself to others and this func
I can just hear... (Score:5, Funny)
"I'm sorry, I'm defragging my pants that day.
Wearable clothing! (Score:2)
From medicine, to science, to fashion "10 years" really means "someday we hope". The cure for Aids, alzheimers and celiac has been 10 years away for 20 years now.
I think 'wearable' computing for the forseeable future (10-20 years) will be restricted to PDAs, Cel phones and watches with mix and match functionality, increasingly the difference between them will be a choice of 'style' rather than giving up major fea
Re:These experts are rare! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hmmmmmmm (Score:2)
Frosty!!