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Steal This Computer Book 3 198

Peter Wayner writes: "If you're looking for a quick way to test the difference between reading text online and reading it in a book, turn to Steal This Computer Book 3 by Wallace Wang, the third edition of a popular series that promises to tell you 'what they won't tell you about the Internet.' All of the information in the book can be gathered from Google for free, but the crisp writing, clean presentation and printed format make the book a good deal. It's possible to curl up in a chair out of WiFi range and cruise the best parts of the Internet without leaving a trail of cookies." Read on below for the rest of Peter's review -- it's free!
Steal This Computer Book 3
author Wallace Wang
pages 358
publisher No Starch Press
rating 9
reviewer Peter Wayner
ISBN 1593270003
summary An irreverant

The book is a travelog of many of the most interesting or inflammatory corners of the Internet. There are chapters on hacktivism, hate crime, con games, spam, phone phreaking and dozens of other topics. If someone's spent time flaming about it, banning it, subpoenaing it, or demonizing it, there's probably a section on it here. All of the sections come with screen shots and URLs for further digging.

I found reading the book to be an odd pleasure. There was no way to click on the sites or try any of the software without heading for a computer, but that didn't seem to matter. If anything, it was nice to skip over the links and put off heading down alternate paths until later. The more I experience books like this, the more I begin to wonder if there's much in the hyper-fragmented, postmodern view of a narrative built out of multiply forking paths. This book offers one fairly simple arc that carries us through the most talked about corners of the web and it does it fairly gracefully. That's a pleasure unto itself.

The book comes with a rebellious gloss and semiotic history. The title was stolen from Steal This Book a collection of anarchist schemes written by Abbie Hoffman in the 1960s. Despite the title, that book became a bestseller -- offering a glimpse of the longterm prospects for Hoffman's revolution. All of the prole sheep dutifully bought a book filled with bombmaking techniques that promises to show you where "exactly to place the dynamite that will destroy the walls."

Hoffman's book showed that people will buy something they value even when they're told to steal it. The prole sheep intuitively understand that books cost money to create. But maybe that was a different era, before the web existed. This website offers the text even though there are four editions for sale at Amazon. I wonder who holds the rights?

Wang's book is nowhere near as radical or as dangerous. Hoffman wrote sentences like "The purpose of part two is not to fuck the system, but destroy it." Wang generally avoids such antagonistic language and speaks generally about anti-social behavior in the third person: "When hackers use social engineering, they often masquerade as a consultant or temporary worker..."

Much of the book, in fact, is filled with techniques that are presented as tools for protecting your privacy and your personal information. The back cover asks, "Is your computer safe from computer viruses and malicious hackers?" It's only partially aimed at helping people do asocial things on the Net. Helping people protect themselves from the evil hordes is a large part of it. Given that identity theft is a booming business, this edition is practically an anti-crime book.

What does this mean for the this Internet revolution? Will the current file trading yippies overthrow the copyright system? Will file sharing actually become the norm? Or will all of the Napsterites follow the paths of Hoffman's proteges and grow up, have kids, move to the burbs, and start paying for their content? Well, they might if the content is as comfortable as this book in the hands while sitting in a La-Z-Boy recliner. No popup windows. No flash graphics. No registration required. Just pure content. Hmmm.


Peter Wayner is the author of books like Policing Online Games, Translucent Databases and Java RAMBO Manifesto. Please don't steal them. You can purchase Steal This Computer Book 3 from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  • A true statement (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DigitalNinja7 ( 684261 ) * on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:45AM (#6995709) Homepage
    "All of the information in the book can be gathered from Google for free" I think that line just about covers all non-fiction (and some fictional) books out there. Google is king, in my mind.
    • Except when it comes to Scientology :-(
    • Re:A true statement (Score:4, Informative)

      by FileNotFound ( 85933 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:01PM (#6995881) Homepage Journal
      The book is hyped garbage.

      I looked at it during one of my monthly bookstore visits and was repulsed by it.

      It's like "The Idiots Guide to Being a Skript Kiddie".

      It rants about going to "hackerish" websites for information etc.

      The whole book reeks of beign targeted at naive teenages who watched Hackers one time too many and want to go haxxoring cause it's cool or something.

    • by ramzak2k ( 596734 )
      non fiction as in Bowling for Columbine ? I think your argument is valid for technical articles that are objective in nature. For subjective analysis of other non fiction topics, books/other media are still the king.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      I think that line just about covers all non-fiction (and some fictional) books out there.

      As a professional researcher, I can tell you that Google points to maybe 4 percent of the useful data on the Internet, and that 90 percent of the truly useful data in world is not accessible on the Internet. Only the truly ignorant thinks that a) all useful data resides somewhere on the Internet and b) Google knows wherre it is. Google is a great tool for the amateurs, but the pros don't really have a use for it.
    • Am I the only one who gets the impression from this book, and similar titles, that they're simply attempting to profit from popular conceptions of the internet as something borderline-legit? Full of unpalatable, revolutionary types hob-nobbing with disgruntled geeks intent on wreaking havoc... This is certainly the message many people are getting, from the popular media especially.
    • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:50PM (#6996315)
      And that's one of the problems with "kids these days."

      You think if you can't find it with Google it isn't on the internet; and if it isn't on the internet it isn't real.

      Well Sparky, those of us who are more than 10 years old remember things that happened and things we read about them in books and magazines that Google has no clue about. If such books and magazines are in a computer archive somewhere they're diked off from the internet ( a growing phenomenom as more and more people realize that not only is their information valuable, their information is the only thing of value they have to exchange)

      Case in point. If you use Google to find information about the sucessful flying of a kite across that Atlantic ocean all you will find is my own Slashdot post avering that it has been done. . . and a denial by someone else because they couldn't find it in a Google search.

      Yet all you have to do to find an in depth article of the feat is to go down to your local library and start browsing (yes, we browsed magazines in "the old days") copies of New Yorker magazine from the late 60's.

      The universe of knowledge has not been transfered to the internet.

      KFG
      • "The universe of knowledge has not been transfered to the internet."

        Of course it hasn't, not yet. It won't be for another 1000 years until the evil brains build their uberdatabase of everything.
      • by drooling-dog ( 189103 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @02:09PM (#6996947)
        Yet all you have to do to find an in depth article of the feat is to go down to your local library and start browsing (yes, we browsed magazines in "the old days") copies of New Yorker magazine from the late 60's.

        Of course, the trick is knowing to browse copies of The New Yorker from the late 60's...

        • Of course, which is what makes my human brain worth paying just to have around.

          The same goes for your local librarian.

          The machines don't have us beat . . . yet.

          KFG
      • by zzyzx ( 15139 )
        So one obscure fact that was in a magazine 40 years ago not being stored on the internet makes it useless? No one said that every fact every is online, but if you wanted to know a random fact, would you first go to google or go to the library and start reading back issues of the New Yorker?
      • The universe of knowledge has not been transfered to the internet.


        But somehow, the stupidityis all there...
    • Right!

      Someone around /. said "If it doesn't exist on Google, then it doesn't exist." And someone even translated that phrase into Latin and made it their sig. If that isn't proof, I don't know what is.
  • by Markvs ( 17298 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:47AM (#6995731) Journal
    Is great for non-techies, and is well written. But I suspect the average /.'er has learned most of the stuff in books 1&2 by osmosis already... and I'll wager that book 3 isn't much of a departure in terms of content.

  • by jargoone ( 166102 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:48AM (#6995742)
    The Internet has ruined me forever. Ever since I got my ethernet connection in my dorm room, I haven't been able to read anything printed. I think it has something to do with needing higher throughput than anything printed can provide. That, and the fact that a goldfish has a longer attention span than I do.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:48AM (#6995743)
    meh...id rather download the .pdf version from kazaa
  • Hoffman (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:48AM (#6995750)

    After this review, I'm more interested in the Hoffman book than the Wang book.

    • Re:Hoffman (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Just rent "Steal this Movie." It has Vincent DiNafrio (the Bug from original MIB) as Abbie Hoffman.
    • steal this movie has nothing to do with 'steal this book' other than the mention of it in the movie. steal this book is a great book, though most of the information found in it is quite dated and of no use anymore other than analysis of the yippie movement in the 60s-70s. some information is still relevant and will work. for instance, the postage stamps. i've sent three (non important) letters to my friend in california using his address as the return address and the to address as mine, and forgetting (i'm
  • by product byproduct ( 628318 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:50AM (#6995766)
    With a title like this, no wonder my local bookstore doesn't carry it.
    • by nervous_twitch ( 579929 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:01PM (#6995879)
      With a title like this, no wonder my local bookstore doesn't carry it.

      They did. It's just not there anymore. ;)

  • Memo to the RIAA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:52AM (#6995797)
    "Hoffman's book showed that people will buy something they value even when they're told to steal it."

    That should tell you something about the true value of the wares you peddle, RIAA. Try cranking out something that contributes to culture, instead of the teen-pop whores and gangsta rappers that are contributing to it's decline.
    • Hi, I am the RIAA. Mr. Coward, your suggestion has been duly noted and we wil work on implementing it immediately. Thank you for your feedback.

    • Re:Memo to the RIAA (Score:4, Interesting)

      by b!arg ( 622192 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @01:17PM (#6996532) Homepage Journal
      I vaguely remember a concept in economics (or I could just be making it up, that class was a long time ago) that said something to the effect that the "fair price" for a given item is something like the retail price minus the the value of the stolen amount. Essentially, how much revenue has that product brought in and then divide that by the number of copies that have been bought and stolen.

      Sure Sony has sold 10,000,000 copies of Britney's latest album at $20/CD (for easy math), but there are 5,00,000 more copies that have been burned for friends, downloaded from Kazaa and shoplifted from CD stores. $200,000,000 in revenue divded by 15,000,000 copies. The "fair price" would be $13 and change. Perhaps this theory is completely baseless and wrong, but I like it. :)
  • I seriously can't remember what i used to do on computers before the internet :P

    It scares me :(

    I dunno.. reading the internet out of a book seems a bit strange.. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME UNPLUG.... ARGHHHHHHH

    Simon

  • No!!! (Score:4, Funny)

    by ENOENT ( 25325 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:55AM (#6995823) Homepage Journal
    If someone's spent time flaming about it, banning it, subpoenaing it, or demonizing it, there's probably a section on it here.

    We really don't need a dead-tree edition of the goatse guy, now, do we?


  • Content (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:55AM (#6995826)
    Is it just me, or was this review almost completely devoid of any content actually relating to the book being reviewed?

    Paragraph 1 - A very broad overview of what the book covers
    Paragraph 2 - "Hey, reading a book is completely unlike reading a webpage"
    Paragraphs 3-5 - Review of a completely different book
    Paragraph 6 - Finally, some hint as to what's actually in the book. But no indication of whether the content is good or not. Are the techniques mentioned good or outdated? Easy to understand?
    Paragraph 7 - Back to talking about about the Hoffman book and completely ignoring the one actually being "reviewed".
  • by lina_inverse ( 699474 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @11:58AM (#6995851)
    Wallace Wang wrote Visual Basic 6 For Dummies.
    Wait.. did I just say that? On Slashdot?
    Oh dear..
  • My dad always had a great example of why books are better than the internet.
    He says, "because you can do this." and proceeds to flip through all the pages like a big stack of crisp, 20-dollar bills. The instant information access, unless the book is in a fire or something, is what always makes books cool. That, plus they're easier on the eyes than a CRT (for me). :)
    • The instant information access, unless the book is in a fire or something, is what always makes books cool.

      Don't underestimate the value of being able to search and cut-and-paste electronic media.

      I can picture your Dad referring you to something neat in that precious stack of pages -- "You have to read this (flip, flip), I think it was on page ninety-something (flip, flip, scan, scan), no, wait, it must be here somewhere (flip, scan), ..."

      Not to mention the annoyance of the not-so-instant access when

    • Time for you to buy and LCD display sir, may I suggest Sony or Samsung 17" or bigger...
    • I press CTRL-F and can find what I'm looking for faster on a webpage than a hardcopy.
    • As it happens I agree with your dad. I have several hundred books, aquired over decades, and look forward to making that several thousand books.

      However, the counter to your dad's argument comes on moving day.

      Several hundred ebooks fit on one CD. Thousands snuggle neatly in a hidden corner of your HD.

      I love my books. They make me dread moving.

      (Hot tip. Black background, off white text. BIG font. Very easy on the eyes)

      KFG
  • Spider my mind. (Score:1, Redundant)

    by CGP314 ( 672613 )
    All of the information in the book can be gathered from Google for free

    I think this covers all public data known to mankind. As soon as google figures out how to crawl and index grey matter, it will include all knowledge.
  • Public Domain (Score:3, Insightful)

    by d-e-w ( 173678 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:01PM (#6995877)
    Hoffman's book showed that people will buy something they value even when they're told to steal it. The prole sheep intuitively understand that books cost money to create. But maybe that was a different era, before the web existed. This website offers the text even though there are four editions for sale at Amazon. I wonder who holds the rights?

    Any author can chose to release any writing with copyright into the public domain prior to the natural expiration of copyright. Once that occurs, nobody owns the rights.

    Given the author, and the book, my guess would be that it's in the public domain.
  • 1. Instant on, instant off
    2. It don't break when you drop it
    3. You can take it to the beach
    4. You can hide it inside another book to look smart
    5. You can hide it inside a porno mag to look cool
    6. You can paper the cover
    7. You can leave it on a bus seat
    8. It never runs out of batteries
    9. A rack of them look impressive up against the wall

    But, on the other hand:

    1. You never get them back when you lend them out
    2. If you do, you wish you hadn't
    3. You can't search them, so you have to flip back and forwards
    4. You can't run them through the Jargonizer to see what the author would have sounded like in Hillbilly
    5. You can't print them and give them to someone, saying "hey, look at this cool web page"
    6. You can't hyper link to them.
    7. You can't cut and paste the good bits to make you look smart on slashdot (like that was difficult!)

    But then again,

    10. No girl ever fell for you because you were browsing a cool web page
  • No cookies? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cant_get_a_good_nick ( 172131 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:04PM (#6995909)
    without leaving a trail of cookies.

    As long as you don't check it out of a library (USA PATRIOT Act.)
    • So don't check the books out, either read them there, or liberate them and bring them back later.
    • Most libraries go out of their way to destroy all records. For example, Cambridge Public Library even has a flyer about privacy where it says that it destroys the records of who checked the books out immediately when the books are returned. I imagine many other libraries do that as well.
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:06PM (#6995929) Homepage Journal
    There was no way to click on the sites or try any of the software without heading for a computer, but that didn't seem to matter.


    I sold off my computer last year because I couldn't keep up with all the clicking and damned hyperlinks all over the web. Annoying things they are. Baah.


    Instead, I've taken to calling people I know, when I need anything off the interweb. The printouts usually arrive in the mail in a day or two. True, the timelag is high, but my friends're getting better at it everyday.


    For a beer or two, these guys usually refresh /. for me 10-15 times a day and post comments for me when I feel like it. Okay gotto go, I think I'm getting another call

  • Good idea. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by worm eater ( 697149 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:11PM (#6995979) Homepage
    Somehow it seems that taking the content of the internet out of the context of the internet allows you to see it in a new light. Just as the internet brought new meaning to content through interactivity, multi-media presentation and hyperlinkage, books have their own virtues that cannot be replicated on the net. Whereas the internet encourages and supports a short attention span, and IMO, detail-oriented thinking, the book format usually demands a longer attention span and 'big picture' sort of attitude.

    Both have their place, of course, and I don't think a short attention span is necessarily a bad thing. But books try to force you to carry a thought through to a conclusion, within limited parameters, where the internet allows you to branch off and fragment your thought -- which in turn allows you to consider many ideas from many points of view -- just not very deeply.

    So putting the internet into a book may just force some people to think about the implications of the new media, rather than focusing on the ever changing content.
  • by plcurechax ( 247883 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:21PM (#6996058) Homepage
    If this is at all like the previous editions of the same title, then I recommend you Skip this Computer Book.

    Get a decent book about computer abuse/misuse:

    Hacking Exposed [hackingexposed.com], 4th edition
    Hackers Beware, by Eric Cole
    Counterhack [counterhack.net], by Ed Skoudis

    These books are written by computer security professionals who may their living both doing computer security and teaching computer security (SANS [sans.org] and Foundstone).

    Steal This Computer Book seems to be aimed at too young to know they are getting ripped off kids and computer novices. So don't buy this book if you are over 10.

    • Apples and Oranges (Score:2, Informative)

      by porkrind ( 314254 )
      My mom loves the STCB series, and that's the audience No Starch is going for with this book - those that don't really know much about the internet or computer security. It's a good read with interesting anecdotes. Nothing more, nothing less.

      I can guarantee you that my mom would be much less enthralled with any of the books you listed.

      -John Mark
      Acquisitions Editor
      No Starch Press
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:23PM (#6996080)
    It wasn't, like, any big deal to lay down a buck, maybe at that cool head shop you liked to support anyway. Made my buck back the first day using its dumpster diving tips. All in all it was a good investment.

    Besides, you've got it inside out. The joke was on the proles in the traditional capitalist business mode. They actually bought the rights to, printed and distributed a book that admonished you to steal it, right on the cover ( and even explained that the "artist" would get his cut even if you did. That was part of the subversion. It has modern repurcussions. Download an ebook off Kazaa, go to the Federal pen for 20 years and get a quarter million dollar fine while screwing the artist. STEAL a book and it's only petty larceny. Probation at most if it's your first offense; and the artist gets payed for it! Support your favorite "content producer" and stick it to the man at the same time. Steal books and CDs. Do It! Abbie and Jerry live, man! Free Attica!)

    Oh, sorry, I got sidetracked. Flashback. That brown acid was apparently some bad shit.

    Anyway, I treasured Steal This Book and I'm not all ashamed that I payed for it, nor was I in any way a "prole" for having done so. I wish I still had my copy. I would, except ( are you ready for it?). . .

    Someone stole it. Really.

    KFG
  • Umm, no (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @12:24PM (#6996093) Journal
    Hoffman's book showed that people will buy something they value even when they're told to steal it.

    No, it didnt. Noone ever took the title literally, as a command to steal it. They took it as what it was, a sort of ironic tongue-in-cheek wisecrack. The book didnt empower people to "fight the man", it poked fun at the new mooching generation of hippies, showing how wrong their ideals were.

    This is like saying you were shocked when the end credits rolled after watching The Neverending Story.
    • Re:Umm, no (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      "This is like saying you were shocked when the end credits rolled after watching The Neverending Story."

      Must... resist.. Simpsons... reference...oh to heck with it.

      Hutz: Mr. Simpson, this is the most blatant case of fraudulent advertising since my suit against the film, "The Never-Ending Story".
  • by Anonymous Coward
    A friend of mine actually tried to shoplift this book out of Barnes and Noble. The cops got involved, and anyway, things turned out nasty. I think the writers should pay more attention to their titles and avoid misadvertisement that could potentially get the casual browser in trouble.
  • Now I *HAVE* to buy it -- if it really covers

    "the most... inflammatory corners of the Internet... hacktivism, hate crime, con games, spam, phone phreaking ... flaming ..."

    I'm sure I'm in there at least 50 times.

    Of course, if it's about the most bitter, angry, pissed-off, hate-inciting trolls of the Internet, (ie flaming), there's obviously a Slashdot chapter....

    Probably so much Slashdot in there that the Foreward is written by Cowboy Neal.

  • I read the title of this book as the third installment on how to steal computers.

    But that's just me.
  • by ctrl-alt-elite ( 679492 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @03:27PM (#6997665)
    Here's [urbandictionary.com] the definition of 'prole.'
  • by LoRider ( 16327 ) on Thursday September 18, 2003 @04:14PM (#6998128) Homepage Journal
    I haven't read this book but I had the misfortune of purchasing the previous edition. It was a horrible book that provided such worthless information I was embarrassed to have purchased it. I usually sell my used books on Amazon so someone else can enjoy them but not this one. I tossed it into the fireplace. I couldn't subject someone else to this wretched book. It provided zero information that couldn't be found by searching Google.

    Maybe the new version is better, but I doubt it.
  • Steal This....... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Dredd2Kad ( 667310 )
    ....I wouldn't even take this crap again if it were handed to me. I bought his first "Steal This" book because it was marked down to $2. I thought it might e an interesting read. Well, I soon found out it wasn't

    I couldn't even give that chunk of dung away to the used book store for free.

    The book was full of information like this..and this is almost a direct quote:

    "If you want to hack a box, get an admin password with root access" And that was it on that subject.

    The book also advocated the use of mail

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