Amazon to Take on Google? 196
KRck writes "Looks like Amazon is going to jump into the search engine business and try and compete directly with Google, by building a new company A9 which they hope to launch in October."
The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. -- Franklin P. Jones
What's next? (Score:5, Funny)
It's all just reminiscent of this. [penny-arcade.com]
Re:What's next? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm actually talking about the hype about everybody, "Taking on Google." It's just silly. The CNN article says that Amazon is specifically not targetting Googles general search market, but to perform niche ecommerce searches. It's just this celebrity death match style coverage that is like beating a dead horse.
Re:What's next? (Score:2, Insightful)
But why would anyone think that Amazon could be trusted for e-commerce searches? If someone is selling a product for a lower price than Amazon is, do you really think that their search engine will point me there?
Re:What's next? (Score:3, Informative)
But they already do, and have been for quite a while. (If you actually used Amazon, or really knew anything about it, you'd know this.)
It's not really that unusual to have the "available used or new from [price]" line be lower than Amazon's new price. One of the great things about Amazon's busi
And how is this not taking on google? (Score:2)
Re:What's next? (Score:2)
1. Amazon is opening up a e-commerce search engine.
2. The leader of e-commerce is trying to take over the leader of search engines! The war has begun, buy your tickets now!!!
Hmm?
Re:What's next? (Score:2, Insightful)
It wasn't the big bad Media that turned it into a conflict. It was Slashdot, the supposed anti-media. The CNN article had it right. Read the article.
Impudent Amazon Infidels! (Score:1)
Re:Impudent Amazon Infidels! (Score:2)
Froogle: Best way to find the best price (Score:5, Insightful)
Froogle, Froogle.google.com [google.com] does NOT compete with Amazon. It tends to put Amazon out of business. Froogle is the best way to find the price and vendor of anything you want to buy. Google makes no money from showing the vendors and prices, only from the ads on the right side.
Re:Froogle: Best way to find the best price (Score:4, Informative)
Amazon is known for tricks like... (Score:3, Funny)
I, for one, don't see need for our new Amazoogle overlords.
Amazon is known (at least to me) for tricks like charging frequent customers more.
taxed? (Score:3, Funny)
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Thank goodness! (Score:5, Insightful)
Unlike Google, A9 isn't trying to develop an all-purpose search engine that indexes billions of Web pages. The startup instead is zeroing on a one of search engines' sweet spots -- e-commerce.
"Sweet spot" for advertisers... "Crap that clutters my search" to me. Google has done a pretty good job of keeping the e-commerce sites out of my listings, and as a result, I really do click on the sponsored links when they're relevant. But they've been slipping... a search on Electric Fencing [google.com] returns mostly people selling the product, but adding keywords (Electric Fencing Installation) helps.
More articley goodness:
As more consumers have become comfortable with the Internet, a growing number are using search engines to review products and compare prices.
Review != Purchase. When I look up a product, I'm usually looking for complaints. Before I signed up for Netflix, I examined the complaints and decided I could live with the reported problems. I decided against GreenCine [greencine.com] in part because subscribers report low supplies despite an excellent selection. You get the idea.
Hopefully, if Amazon focuses on the e-commerce angle, Google can focus on the information angle. I'll go to Google to find out how to install an electric fence, and perhaps I'll go to Amazon to find an electric fence supplier. But more likely, I'll click on a Google AdWords partner.
Google's biggest problem right now: Crapflooding, which will continue to be a whack-a-mole problem on any search site. When I do a search on Toothpick Bridge [google.com] for my daughter's science class and see a URL of "www.hdlac.org/mom-daughter-incest.htm", I know that the spammer/scammer community has scored again.
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:2)
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:2)
i don't, but that's just because i barely ever make searches that would end me up in using any money because i don't have any!
*also they're been mostly irrelevant for me as the localisation to around here is quite new.
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Re:They need to do better than their own site (Score:2)
Amazon has an incredibly useful collection of information about books (pretty much the only thing I buy there), but the search capabilities are the weak link. It seems like they're going for the lucr
Re:They need to do better than their own site (Score:2)
"Lord of the Rings"
"The Lord of the Rings"
"Tolkein"
"J.R. Tolkein"
"JRR Tolken"
etc.
The deal fell through, but it's good to hear there's a need for this type of thing.
All Music Guide (Score:2)
Why? That's what All Music Guide [allmusic.com] is for. AMG your friend [allmusic.com].
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, there perhaps is a little more overlap than you may think. Remember some of Google's appendages such as Froogle [google.com] and Google Catalogs [google.com]. Granted however, Google is generally about finding information, and it seems like Amazon is really positioning themselves to find products/vendors.
But serious competition may be good, even if its not directly the same market. Things like this help keep great companies like Google working hard. As long as it is competition. I really don't want non-competitive devi
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:2)
The folks who patented one-click ordering may not turn out to be such principled defenders of competition.
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:2)
Couldn't this be done with something like Project Gutenberg? In fact, couldn't this be done with any copywrited text that has gone into public domain?
Not my experience (Score:3, Insightful)
Recently, I don't think that's true anymore. At least from my experience. If you search for anything remotely similar to a product or service, you may run into special spam link farms for the search terms you looked for in the top ten of the Google results. Sure, you can report these with the 'Dissatisfied?' link at the bottom, but that's tedious, probably not too many people use that, because it doesn't seem to improve t
Didn't Amazon already do this. (Score:2)
Amazon already bought an e-commerce search company for over $100 Million. [com.com]
Feels like a dup from '98. :-)
Re:Didn't Amazon already do this. (Score:2, Interesting)
And boy, were they excited:
"PlanetAll is the most innovative use of the Internet I've seen," said Amazon's founder and CEO Jeff Bezos. "It's simply a breakthrough in doing something as fundamental and important as staying in touch."
"This is a significant opportunity for all of us at Junglee to extend our technology well beyond our current base," said Ram Shriram, president and COO of Junglee. "With Amazon.com, we can address the
Here's why this is going to suck (Score:2)
I'm talking about the situation where you search for, say, "Canon S400" and all you get is a load of duplicated hits from paid listing sites like DealTime, DealsOnTheWeb, Kelkoo and so on (all claiming, ironically enough, to show
Re:Here's why this is going to suck (Score:2)
Results are therefore inconsistent. It resembles what you would expect if Google were constantly tweaking their index criteria in an ongoing war against fraudulent list entry submissions. So maybe they are trying to do something about it after all.
They already do boost competitors... (Score:2)
A few days ago, I was looking to kill off a $50 Amazon promo certificate. I decided to buy a new multi-tool, and searched for "leatherman wave". The listings included two adwords... linking to www.all-leatherman-4-less.com and stagg-tools.com. Amazon probably gets money per link, or maybe an affiliate commission, so even if they don't make the sale they win.. they get money, and don't have to worry about inventory or shipping or anything.
The other interesting thing is right now those adwords come from
I wanted to get first post... (Score:3, Funny)
Why it won't work: (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the core of the matter, and why google is so successful. We believe that they are unbiased, and therefore trust their results.
Incidently, this is why msn search will fail as well.
All hail the king of searches: Google.
Re:Why it won't work: (Score:3, Insightful)
Why not? Your proposition doesn't even make sense. In fact, Amazon has shown that they are quite willing to give honest results, even when doing so may result in them losing the sale themselves. (Although they do still get a small cut of these other sales.)
Example:
1) Amazon lists used books on the same page as thier new ones.
2) I was looking for a
Well, are you, punk? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well, are you, punk? (Score:2)
Re:Speaking of "I'm Feeling Lucky"... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Speaking of "I'm Feeling Lucky"... (Score:2)
Re:Speaking of "I'm Feeling Lucky"... (Score:2)
Redirects directly to the first result of the search instead of returning a set of search results. Took some guts to even consider doing that, particularly when you consider that it first appeared when everybody was trying to keep everyone's attention of their stuff as long as possible.
Conflict of interest? (Score:2, Insightful)
Didn't they up prices for loyal customers? (Score:5, Interesting)
Case in point: I was buying a ticket for a flight, and when I started, there were lots of available seats on a variety of days at 317 each way. By the time I had gone through the process, put in my credit card details to buy it, and hit submit, a message appeared saying "The seating information has changed, please start from the beginning again." Magically, all the seats on all the same days had jumped to 900 each way. My point? I don't know. But Amazon has played dirty before. And I don't trust them.
Anyway, I didn't book my tickets with British Airways. Some other mug will have to pay the inflated prices.
Re:Didn't they up prices for loyal customers? (Score:2)
though, a real sneaky way would be that for a start it would return really excellent results and then later start mixing in sponsored links..
of course, i'm just talking out of my ass here, but the main point is that those who choose what search engine they use wouldn't easily trust amazon to play fair and square on this and thus wouldn't use it, those that just use the one th
Didn't happen. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Didn't they up prices for loyal customers? (Score:2)
That price jump is insane, but not surprising. They probably had a hockey team or other large party order tickets. Their automated system would immediatly put in for a price change which attempts to have ~2 empty seats approx 5 minutes prior to takeoff in first class.
Google search on Airline Ticket Pricing [google.com]
Re:Didn't they up prices for loyal customers? (Score:2)
5 different flights within 2 weeks, all at 317. Suddenly, just after I plugged in my credit card details, and address, etc, they all shoot up to 900. I just don't believe it. And I to
But (Score:5, Funny)
Godzilla vs. Mothra (Score:2)
Remember when... (Score:5, Insightful)
And Amazon sold books, and did it well?
Then somebody said "Portals" and they became "portals".
Then somebody said "Auction" and they all followed e-bay.
Then somebody said "e-commerce" and they all started selling everything.
And books became Amazon's sideline to their patents on everything but the color of money.
And their site became a Navigational Nightmare(TM) (patent pending).
Now everybody wants to be a search engine again.
The reason Google is succesful is because it does it gives people the information they want, and stays the hell out of their way.
RE: Absolutely! (Score:5, Insightful)
It's *really* about focusing intensely on one particular service or offering that a decent-sized group of users think is useful.
If you're going to sell books, be the biggest, best-priced and most convenient bookseller on the net - but DON'T try to be a patent-monger, or an auction mega-site, or a toy store, or anything else unrelated!
As you said, Google is so highly regarded because it was always designed, from day one, to be a search engine - and to do the best possible job of indexing pages. They've added a lot of features - but they're all related to their core functionality (such as the ability to calculate math equations that are entered in the search field, or the ability to do phone number lookups). You use their site when you seek answers to something, and it tries to provide those answers (whether by directly giving you results, or pointing you to sites that have the information you seek).
eBay has, in my opinion, also been the only truly successful online auction site because they've kept their focus on that one area without straying. Everyone who wants to "be the next eBay" or your "eBay alternative" (aka. Yahoo auctions) can't quite penetrate that market, because they've all tried it as a side offering. Folks think "Hmm... Why use this auction link off this e-commerce or search engine site, when I can use eBay, that's completely dedicated to auctions? More people will see my listings that way, and there's likely to be more of the stuff I'm looking to buy."
Re:Remember when... (Score:2)
[OT] Did anyone notice the picture? (Score:2, Funny)
Look closely at the OS. WHY did they use Windows 3.1?!?!?
--bhtooefr
Re:[OT] Did anyone notice the picture? (Score:2)
PageRank decides Amazon is the winner! (Score:2)
Searching for almost any generic term on Google results in a deluge of shopping sites. And (surprise, surprise) Amazon finds its way to the top of the lists nearly everytime.
I wouldn't be surprised that since every page on Amazon prominently features a Google search field that the folks at Google have conveniently avoided trying to find a way to fairly balance its search results.
Needless to say, Google is becoming
That's the way PageRank works (Score:2)
If you search for the number of sites that link to google it's ~39,000. I have a feeling a few of those have a page rank above 7, that is going to put them at the top for a lot of searches.
So they sell books... (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to say that a better search engine won't eventually come along, but I don't see why anyone is going to switch when the incumbent site is about as good as most people will need.
Excuse me, I have to go Amazon... er... A9... for more information, now...
Nope, sorry. Doesn't work. ^^;
Re:So they sell books... (Score:2)
It's the problem with being a public corporation. The investors demand exponential growth, forever. This means that management feels pressured to keep doing new things, or try to squeeze blood from a stone. The problem is, they go beyond their domain of competence and soon hose everything.
Natural Biases (Score:2, Interesting)
It's probably legal, since it's Amazon's search engine, but if I'm looking for a new blender or whatever, I can bet a million to one the first couple ( if not more ) links will be geared toward amazon.c
I this why alexa exists? (Score:2)
typosquatters set scrambling... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:typosquatters set scrambling... (Score:2)
I think you mispelled Verisign.
Advertisers? (Score:2)
I know if I was paying for ad space on A9 and found a scathing review showing up right under the link to my product, I would be very pissed at Amazon and want them to take it off, because, hey, I'm paying for it. There is none of this with google...well.....except the whole Scien
Amazon/Alexa has a good spider/crawler.. (Score:3, Interesting)
I've noticed more activity from their spider (useragent ia_archiver) than I have from google on my domains recently; so I tend to believe they have a more up-to-date and possibly larger index.
Patents (Score:4, Funny)
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Let me guess... (Score:2)
Re:Let me guess... (Score:2)
Re:Let me guess... (Score:2)
Froogle? (Score:4, Interesting)
Taken from this [google.com] page:
Froogle is a new service from Google that makes it easy to find information about products for sale online. By focusing entirely on product search, Froogle applies the power of Google's search technology to a very specific task: locating stores that sell the item you want to find and pointing you directly to the place where you can make a purchase.
I've only tried it a few times awhile back, and it seems to work pretty well. Will this compete with A9?
QUICK (Score:2)
not all cheesies and gum (Score:4, Interesting)
This is futile (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This is futile (Score:4, Insightful)
I think that Google could be beaten, but not by Amazon or Microsoft. The problem is that a search engine has to be perceived as neutral.
A little guy with much better technology could make headway.
Also, the likelihood of Google screwing up will increase greatly once they go public. Investors will demand more return, and management might eventually do something that blows the company reputation.
Re:This is futile (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This is futile (Score:2)
I tend to agree that Google's current position is very strong, but to judge Amazon's attempt as futile is premature at best. At worst, it's shortsighted and ignore the lessons that history provides us.
Will Google even need to adapt? (Score:3, Insightful)
No business is bulletproof, but Google right now is one of the strongest internet names. People like Google because there's only as much whiz-bang as you need, and it's as effective as internet searching as been for the last few years. The main page weighs in, IIRC, at under 13K of bandwidth. Far quicker and less obtrusive than MSN or Amazon. Even on a dial-up connection it's almost instantaneous. You don't get any pop-ups on Google, and for those poor souls unfortunate enough to still use IE, Google even offers a tool that will stop pop-ups. The tools that they offer are useful and unobtrusive. They don't take over or alter your sysem, such as pretty much anything from Microsoft. (And I doubt Google DRM Software is going to be among next year's offered downloads. Unlike Windows Media Player...)
And Google has street smarts that you can't get from any boardroom. For example, news.google.com was a weekend project that a couple of employees threw together. And it got a lot of competitors' attention when they saw just how good a job they did. They're always adapting. I've seen many quotes from discussions long past show up again on message boards, and they're pulled from the Google Groups services.
While Google may not be a utopia, it's got what it needs to stand up to the MS and Amazon assault. A strong base, a smart and adaptable workforce, and great public recognition. The market is adapting to Google, not the other way around. Considering they don't like to sit on their past achievements too much, I think they'll hold up fine.
Your search found... 40 CDs? (Score:2, Interesting)
The problem here is that when people search the net for "Britney Spears", they're not looking to buy her CDs - but that's will be what they get with Amahoo!!!
Hmmm.. (Score:3, Interesting)
So, I, for one, welcome Google, our current search-engine overlords..
Frog/Scorpion (Score:2)
what e-commerce search? (Score:2, Informative)
I mean, realistically, Froogle.com aside, Google can really search very simple static content. Put a CGI form on your website and Google will stop there. Put anything on your website that ties into a complex request and Google won't touch it.
Therefore, I don't think that the spin "A9 is going to compete with Goog
Skimming the cream (Score:2)
In the meantime, A9 will index a fraction of that content, focused tightly on e-commerce that will have huge revenue potential, and skim the cream from the search paradigm.
Sorta like doctors who specialize in "diseases of the rich".
imagine that... (Score:2)
Twice as much work for KaZaA (Score:2)
RTFA (Score:3, Informative)
Amazon is *not* trying to index the web.
Restraint (Score:2)
But the thing is, once Froogle goes live and is advertised in a big way, expect this A9 stuff to be pushed under the rug...
In a 12 round slobber-knocker (Score:2)
Audi? (Score:2)
froogle.google.com?? (Score:2, Informative)
As more consumers have become comfortable with the Internet, a growing number are using search engines to review products and compare prices."
Why not just use froogle.google.com? It's excellent for comparing prices if you know the model of what you're looking for.
Froogle already does this (Score:2)
Search + Personalization? (Score:4, Funny)
"Customers who searched for 'Asian Porn' also searched for: Azn N0rp, Hot Asian Sluts, Azn Porn"
"When searching for 'Barnes and Nobles': Did you mean: Amazon.com?"
I think they're a little late for the "one click searching" patent, however.
They already have something of this sort (Score:4, Interesting)
The other day I searched Amzazon's website for the PC Infrared (IrDa) adapter and they showed a section called "Sponsored Links" on their website.
Here are the details of Amazon's Sponsored Links [amazon.com]
Copy and paste of the text:
SPONSORED LINKS
Sponsored Links are advertisements that Amazon.com provides to you. We receive Sponsored Links from Google's AdWords service. When you click on a Sponsored Link, we get revenue. The selection of Sponsored Links that are displayed is based on keywords. For example, if you search for "Bruce Springsteen" or view pages about Bruce Springsteen, the Sponsored Links may point to sites that sell tickets to his concerts or provide information about him. Sponsored Links are always clearly labeled.
Generating additional revenue from Sponsored Links allows us to offer lower prices to you--something we are dedicated to doing every way we can.
Capital investment as a way to explain losses (Score:2, Insightful)
Alternately, they
ISO 216 joke (Score:2)
Darl McBride to start a search engine called Foolscap.
Google deteriorating? (Score:2)
For web search I'd rather more the formalized documents to be ranked higher (FAQs HOWTOs etc). If I wanted email/other messages I'd rather use Google Groups for that.
Maybe they hadn't rebuilt their index yet in the past few weeks?
Re:Competition is always a welcoming news (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless your name starts with "M" and ends with "icrosoft."
Re:Competition is always a welcoming news (Score:4, Insightful)
Good luck to Amazon, be interested to see how this pans out.
I know that nobody reads the articles, but... (Score:3, Informative)
Unlike Google, A9 isn't trying to develop an all-purpose search engine that indexes billions of Web pages. The startup instead is zeroing on a one of search engines' sweet spots -- e-commerce.
Re:Competition is always a welcoming news (Score:2)
Google [google.com] *is* [google.com] impartial [google.com]
Quite interesting though is the News search result Google gives when looking for "search engine": Amazon invades Google's turf with search engine - Times of India - 20 hours ago
Amazon to compete with Google? BULLSHIT. (Score:2, Informative)
MOD PARENT UP! (Score:2)
So I don't see how this threatens the main search biz of the almight G.
Re:well (Score:3, Funny)
Not against something as holy as Google!
Re:Personal opinion here, nothing more (Score:2)
Re:QUICK! (Score:2)
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