Track a Soda Can with GPS? 346
I am Kobayashi writes "According to the Indianapolis Star Online, next summer Coca-cola will feature a promotion in which winners will be located by satellites tracking GPS devices implanted in the winning cans.... Hopefully they track you fast before you throw-away (or recycle) your winning can...." And in another bit of Coke news, they've got a new high-tech billboard: jhkoh writes "Reuters/Yahoo is reporting that Coca-Cola has unveiled an 'intelligent' billboard in London's Piccadilly Circus -- at 99 feet wide, the world's biggest -- that supposedly will respond to weather, movement, and SMS text messages. The billboard itself is 52 square meters of LED display. How soon before someone hacks it?"
My 1.25 worth... (Score:2, Insightful)
Is this where my 1.25 goes each time I buy a 20oz. Coke? Funding expensive marketing ploys? How about the old way? Why can't that be the way we do contests?
"Excuse me ma'am, I see you are holding a Coke, you won the contest, now come with me into this dark alley to claim your prize." - that scares me, there ARE people out there that would do that...
Well, as a Coke lover, it looks like I am not going to be drin
Re:My 1.25 worth... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:My 1.25 worth... (Score:2, Funny)
One thing I can guarantee that you will NEVER be, is a winner.
Re:Drat! (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like... (Score:2, Funny)
Geocaching (Score:5, Interesting)
What an odd bastardization of Geocaching!
Geocaching [geocaching.com] is exploring for objects other people have hidden using GPS. It's a blast and very addictive.
However, GPS does not send signals... it only receives... How are they going to track people?
Davak
radioactive tracers (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Geocaching (Score:2, Insightful)
Quite seriously, how in the world is Geocaching a "blast"? Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't it basically:
Person A: Hello, I have hidden something in this exact location.
Person B: Hey, Person A was right! They did put something in this exact location. Umm...WHEEEE!
I don't get it.
Re:Geocaching (Score:2, Informative)
1. It takes you to places you didn't know existed. I went out after one with my brother a month back and we had no idea where it was. Turns out it was at an old, practically adbandoned, city park. It appears to still be maintained, but in the several times I have gone back down there I haven't seen another soul.
2. It is not as easy as it seems. GPS gets you close, sometimes very close. But it can still be several yards or more
Re:Geocaching (Score:3, Interesting)
Getting to the co-ordinates is where the fun is.
Re:Geocaching (Score:2, Funny)
previous [slashdot.org] post by this idiot.
Plesae leave my beer alone... (Score:2, Funny)
GPS Reception (Score:5, Insightful)
AND it will have to transmit as well, thats going to be a nice piece of technology.
But seems you could possibly cheat - there are devices to detect semiconductor material (used to detect "bugs"), so with a bit of tweaking you could possibly figure out which can has something inside.
Re:GPS Reception (Score:4, Insightful)
Lets call this warcoking
If they want to track you that means they have transmit which means I can potentially receive the signal.
An easy way to game this would be to hang outside a Coke distribution center with antenna and a decent laptop.
You just sit in your car and try to find coke machines that are leaving the facility and are transmiting.
Then you follow the truck until it stops its xmit and you found your store. Then you go in and scan the shelves with the laptop until you find the right can.
Bingo...
What would be really funny to do is the money from the contest to buy another GPS
ha
Kevin
Easy way to spot the winning can: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:GPS Reception (Score:4, Funny)
No problem signing the piece of paper typical in such contests giving them authorization to use my image in their promotional materials.
Re:GPS Reception (Score:4, Informative)
Here [dpie.com] is how they do it.
Re:GPS Reception (Score:2)
But could you use the very conductive nature of the can itself to transmit and receive waves inside the can?
Because there would be zero matching or anything like that the reception would be bad, but you might be able to get something.
Re:GPS Reception (Score:2)
You could always go with the F-Ray, which has a flashlight-based formfactor, long runtime, and can spot winning cans in soda contests. But keep it away from the 'jewels...
GTRacer
- Long live Groening!
Ugh. (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it sure is good to see technology used for the benefit of humanity, and not just a stupid gimmick.
Re:Ugh. (Score:5, Funny)
Take my geek membership away, but would not a plain cloth sign do the same?
-Em
Re:Ugh. (Score:5, Funny)
Deja vu all over again (Score:2)
Sometimes I am amazed at the relentless march of progress. This is not one of those times.
one more reason coders prefer Mountain Dew (Score:2)
Re:one more reason coders prefer Mountain Dew (Score:2, Funny)
Just GPS? (Score:2)
Re:Just GPS? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Just GPS? (Score:2)
So... (Score:4, Interesting)
How soon before someone hacks it.... (Score:2)
yeah, that'll certainly grab a lot of attention.
Re:How soon before someone hacks it.... (Score:2)
Oh wait. You meant the people looking at it?....
no way in hell (Score:2)
("Will code for caffeine" replacment billboards are quite another matter...)
Hackage! (Score:5, Funny)
Mmm, 52 square meters of full goatse glory! Remind me to avoid London...
Reminder (Score:5, Funny)
Not long. (Score:3, Funny)
How long till someone hacks it
Well, since it was supposed to be a Pepsi billboard, I'd say not long at all
ha, ha me make funny
hack the planet (Score:2)
Unless constantly flooding it with references to RANDOM CRAP(tm) is considered hacking...
Re:hack the planet (Score:2, Funny)
No, no, that's not hacking... that's Slashdot!
Unneccesary (Score:2, Funny)
Why? Because when people opened their old cokes and it said "you win a car!", they were too lazy to go to the redemption office?
Re:Unneccesary (Score:2)
Time to hack (Score:4, Funny)
plus it's a little creepy having Coke track down the winners like that. What's next? A tiny transmitter in the cola itself that the "winner" swallows so Coke can track them even if they put the can down?
Re:Time to hack (Score:2)
Re:Time to hack (Score:2)
Just an FYI.
Futurama (Score:2)
Will it give people cancer/make them sterile too?
Re:Futurama (Score:2)
Plain Coke works fine for that anyway.
KIDDING! I'm kidding. Jesus.
But it is so much easier to ... (Score:2, Troll)
Also keep in mind that attempting to interfere with the insert, or thinking about interfering with the insert, or questioning the "Constitutionality" of having a tracking device inserted into you so that your every move may be monitored by John Ashcroft personally if it amuses him, means that the terrorists have won. This is being done to protect your freedom. Stop spoiling things by
Oh no (Score:5, Funny)
Don't you know that the latest spy satellites... (Score:2)
NOT GPS!!! (Score:2, Funny)
ATLANTA -- Here's a way to really target a consumer.
Next summer, Coca-Cola plans to use satellites to find U.S. buyers who happen to purchase special cans of Coke products.
They will be winners in a giveaway that will feature Hummer H2 sport-utility vehicles. The giant vehicles will be presented in person, using satellites to locate the recipients. And in a promotion tied to the Summer Olym
Re:NOT GPS!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't feel bad, I'm sure you didn't know what GPS stood for, thinking it was just another hip sounding acronymn you saw on slashdot.
Skeptical analysis (Score:3, Insightful)
GPS (if that's being used, which is likely) is a one-way system, which means a passive device receives timing signals from a constellation of visible satellites, and uses the timing differences to estimate location and speed of the receiver.
The critical question is what happens next to that data. It can't be transmitted back to the GPS satellites, since they are only able to receive control signals from their operator
Transmit? (Score:2)
Also, for info on how GPS works, click [howstuffworks.com].
Re:Transmit? (Score:2)
If all else fails, the winning cans likely will have a pull of tab that says "you lose" to most people, but
Hacking the giant billboard (Score:2)
Re:Hacking the giant billboard (Score:2)
All your cola are belong to Pepsi
Making a killing (Score:4, Informative)
All this while assinating union leaders in developing nations [colombiaso...ity.org.uk].
Those cola loving fellows are hard workers.
Ciaran O'Riordan
Something not quite right here... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Something not quite right here... (Score:2)
You meant to say that as far as you know, they don't do those things... Until you've actually got your hands on and reverse engineered a GPS satellite, it's hard to say for sure just what they're doing up there.
Re:Something not quite right here... (Score:2)
Re:Something not quite right here... (Score:2)
There is no "transponder" because the satellites merely "beep" a signal containing the time, satellite position, and any clock correction necessary (there are also other components, but these three will suffice for this discussion). The GPS receiver, in order to function, must be able to receive the signal from four satellites. It then calculates terrestrial position based on triangulation between the times and positions reported by each bird.
This is similar to how the older LORAN system worked (which
Re:Something not quite right here... (Score:2)
Obviously the authors don't know what they're talking about.
It must be something like there being an actual transmitter in the winning can; it will use GPS to determine its location, and broadcast that; the contest-runners then zero in on that signal. But wait, why couldn't it just broadcast a "ping", and they simply triangulate to find the can? What the hell would it use GPS for?
Also
Where are the receivers? This smells like a sham. (Score:2, Informative)
Add to that the fact that both the receiving and transmitting circuitry
Re:Where are the receivers? This smells like a sha (Score:2, Informative)
That article too, is light on details, but it claims that Coors Light was able to use a GPS based device in a bottle to locate winners and give them their prize.
Does anyone have any more details on how this system works? Does it only work if I decide to drink my Coke/Coors outside in an area with a good cell phone signal, and then only if I don't move for a minute after activating the GPS receiver?
Re:Where are the receivers? This smells like a sha (Score:2)
i have the answer (Score:5, Funny)
Approximately 30 seconds before "Breaking News: Tony is GAY" appears on the screen and the entire high school soccer team falls over laughing.
In related news.... (Score:2)
I wonder how they will get around the legal issues (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I wonder how they will get around the legal iss (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I wonder how they will get around the legal iss (Score:2)
More likely than not, that gamepiece will also be bundled with the specially marked can to confirm the non-winningness, the GPS device will just be a fancy way to either plot winners on a map quickly or so they can claim "There are 7 winning cans still unclaimed somewhere in Boston."
I can see it now (Score:2)
[Coke ad-man] Yeah, inside.
[Cameraman] I can't believe it!
[Ad man] We've got 5 satellites on to him.
[Cameraman] That's not what I meant.
[Ad man] Oh you mean you don't believe how he could be living in a room this small?
[Cameraman] Of course.
[Ad man] Go in and see!
[[[[[ They break down the door and rush in. The room is really tiny, and is filled with brooms and messy pails. And down in a corner by the trash, is a crushed, discarded coke can. ]]]]
[Ad man] But the sat
"GPS Transponder"? (Score:2)
Re:"GPS Transponder"? (Score:2, Interesting)
GPS Transpoder [google.com]
Looks like the power draw is low enough to survive a trip in a coke can too < 40 milliamps.
Re:"GPS Transponder"? (Score:2)
Re:"GPS Transponder"? (Score:2)
: a radio or radar set that upon receiving a designated signal emits a radio signal of its own and that is used esp. for the detection, identification, and location of objects
(C)1997, 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. All rights reserved
Gets GPS data... relays the numbers it gets from that using 2.4 GHz (or maybe even Wi-Fi)... that's a transponder!
Idolize the Container (Score:2)
People won't throw away the cans: they will hoard them, "just in case".
Hell, some folks will carry their cans in a belt pouch, as next uber-cool-post-cellphone status symbol.
I suppose the cans could be (gently) crushed, for easier storage "until I win that contest"
This is a brilliant marketing gimmick: sell sugar water at fantastically inflated prices, while persuading consumers to idolize and hoard the pa
Sayth the hacked billboard... (Score:2)
"ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONGS TO US!"
Boy, Coke sure is getting wierd with its ad campaigns.
Meters vs. feet (Score:5, Funny)
Once again, the English system proves superior. 560 square feet sounds way more impressive than a mere 52 square meters.
Re:Meters vs. feet (Score:2)
I know how they find you... (Score:2, Funny)
From the Coke site [coca-cola.com]...
MOD PARENT DOWN -1 Troll (Score:2)
Wrong! (Score:2)
Don't they know they're supposed to use a Pringle's can [cantenna.com]?!?!?
Rain (Score:2)
When it rains, it simulates being wet. Yeah, that's just brilliant.
This begs the question... (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe they would just award the prize to the trash can. But, how would a trash can spend a million dollars?
I'd imagine he would just waste it.
Uh... (Score:2)
Depends on who built the embedded OS.
Microsoft, you say? In that case, it was hacked before they even turned on the juice.
Transportation Insecurity (Score:2, Interesting)
GPS technology? (Score:4, Informative)
Bottom line: GPS does not work within buildings. You need to see the sky - or to be more exact, you need a line of sight to at least 3 satellites.
Now, even if you assume that everyone is running around outside holding their cans high up over their head... the coke can would be able to find out its own position (and I'm not even convinced that there are GPS receiver small enough to fit inside a can...) That does not mean that Coca Cola will know the position of the can, because how will the can transmit it's position back to the company? Are they going to fit a cell phone into the can, too??
No, I honestly don't believe the story right now, I need to see that can first.
Tracking... Tracking... Tracking... (Score:2)
I can see the lawsuit now... (Score:2)
Let's not forget the fiasco of the Magic Can... (Score:5, Informative)
The idea was called "Magic Can", you'd open up your Coca-Cola can and real spendable US dollars just might pop out. Of course, the cans with the money in them wouldn't have cola, but instead a device powered by chlorinated water that would propel the bill.
However, the device often got damaged in shipping, and this lead to several cases where a "winner" didn't look before they drank, and ended up digesting the chlorinated water before realizing that their can didn't really have any cola. Their $100 bill would end up getting spent in the emergency room...
Coca-Cola found itself reduced to putting out ads that instructed "winners" how to safely extract the bill in the event of a failed device....
does anybody know exactly... (Score:2)
How are they going to ensure a random distribution of these cans across the whole country?
I've got a golden ticket... (Score:2)
Thanks Coca Cola! (Score:2, Funny)
Part of the conditioning... (Score:2, Funny)
How clever: Get people to be excited about being "tracked" with technology!
Check out this site [nocards.org] for more information on how your privacy is being invaded today...
The homeless guy down the street from me... (Score:3, Funny)
Erm... (Score:2)
Hmmm... (Score:2)
Several problems with this (Score:3, Insightful)
1. The GPS satellites don't tell you where you are. A GPS receiver figures out where it is by triangulating its position by measuring how far it is away from each satellite. This takes some pretty advanced electronics which would barely fit in a soda can.
2. GPS does not track. Nothing is beamed back to the satellites, and even if it were, it would not reach them without a lot of power and a high gain antenna. The most common ways to get realtime tracking information on a GPS receiver is to couple it with ground-based radio or cell network. This would have to go in the soda can along with the rest...
3. GPS (generally) only works outside. The signals that GPS uses are very high frequency, weak, and thus very prone to attenuation due to obstacles. They COULD use the can itself as an antenna, but even that probably wouldn't give you enough gain to get the signal indoors.
4. Power source. None of this stuff works without power. How are they going to propose to keep this thing powered while they have this thing stored in the back of a warehouse for god knows how long before it gets put on a shelf and bought? Even if you didn't have it activate until you, say, opened it, there's still a pretty good chance you will not be in a location where GPS signals can be acquired.
Pepsi, please stick with the damned instant win cards.
Oh, and you are planning on going though with this, it may not be a good idea to fill the can.
Already ongoing in Australia (Score:3, Informative)
Think it's crazy? (Score:3, Funny)
You'll never look at the guy picking pop cans out of the trash the same way ever again...
Re:Tinfoil beanies obsolete (Score:2)
Here's an idea: (Score:2)
steal all their files on external contractors.
Find the idiot who figured out how to put that thing in a can without it looking different.
Then go to his house, knock down his door, and ask him for $100,000 directly, because he's probably good for it.
Suckers.
Let's unofficially make this thread be the nexus of all other good ideas. That way it can't get slashdotted. GENUIS!