Evolution 1.5 has Been Released 317
SirPrize writes "As announced here, Evolution 1.5 is now available for download (obligatory screenshots, for those who want to click and see)" Congrats to all the developers responsible for this gigantic undertaking.
Coming up real good. (Score:2, Informative)
Dinner (Score:5, Funny)
If you need a PIM to remind you to eat dinner, you have serious issues.
Re:Dinner (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Dinner (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Dinner (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dinner (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Dinner (Score:5, Interesting)
My company, the godsend that it is, buys food for any employee who wants it, but the order can be in no later than 5:20p. (We get to order off or an actual menu from an actual restaurant)
So, I have a Calendar alert pop up daily at 4:55p, or I'd miss out (very often, in fact). I don't get hungry until 6:00p or so, so I have to visually remind myself to order if I *think* I'll still be here at 6:30p (when the food arrives)
I know it was meant as funny, but it is useful for people like me who can forget to pee for 6 hours because their brain is 'on a roll' with soemthing.
Re:Dinner (Score:2)
Re:Dinner (Score:3, Funny)
Or perhaps there is bigger plan at play here to make his wife think he is with his mistress and his mistress think he his with his wife therefore leaving even more time for coding!
Java Desktop (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Java Desktop (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Java Desktop (Score:2, Funny)
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As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:3, Informative)
Also, here's a duplicate code report [infoether.com], thanks to CPD [sf.net]. I like the comment on the first duplicate code chunk:Heh.
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
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Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until it runs everywhere that Outlook runs (ie: Windows).
You have a good point.
OTOH, just move down the food chain one more level:
Evo/*NIX will run on the same existing x86 boxes that Outlook/Windows runs on.
Re:Windows drivers are bundled (Score:3, Informative)
Debian is based on older code. Fedora Core 1 supports my Radeon out-of-the-box with 2D and 3D acceleration. ATI does release specs on their cards. They just kee
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:3, Interesting)
Personally we used eclipse+tomcat+struts. It's been working well so far.
The only reason zope was turned down was because of lack of integrated java support. (Personally I'm not convinced that that is a problem...)
for single users, not enterprises (Score:2, Insightful)
Excuse me, Outlook per se is close to useless without Exchange server. Sure, Evolution works fine with IMAP. It even works with LDAP to keep Contacts (although that piece is not fine).
But how about Calendaring and Tasks being stored on the server *AND* processed with the server? In Outlook when I appoint the meeting ti automatically checks if the attendee is busy or not, and it ch checks it on the server - not in my person
Re:for single users, not enterprises (Score:3, Informative)
Evolution talks to Exchange, though you have to pay Ximian a license fee for the Exchange connector, and still have to pay Microsoft for the Exchange CAL. I find that to be financially not practical at the moment, and don't see how anyone could convince their management to move into such a scenario, but the option IS there.
Re:for single users, not enterprises (Score:2)
Yeah, the Linux community is working on that, too [opengroupware.org].
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, Im not trying to say "outlook r0x0r2 and evolution 6r00l2" or somesuch, so please ease up on the "M$ shill" retorts (and the 'outlook is insecure' w/ vb" stuff as well.
What you can do is send forms, with send a form to a user like an email -- the 'form' appears in their inbox). This f
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2, Insightful)
Outlook clone perhaps, but no where near even an Outlook threat. First and foremost is the lack of a Windows version. Second, Evolution merely mimics some of the functionality of Outlook, not all of it and it lacks the same kind of integration that Outlook/Exchange offer medium and large corporations wanting to standardize on an e-mail, calendar and messaging suite can. Call me a troll if you wish but it seems to me that Evolution is only being used by those who would
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:4, Informative)
*cough* connector [ximian.com] *cough*
Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (Score:2)
Whilst Evolution does seem to function well enough, it is a shame that silly bugs remain in this release, like the drawing problems in the screenshots (i.e. where "Lunch" is scheduled, the "L" collides with its widget's border).
- Brian.
Groupwise Plugin? (Score:2)
Novell was trumpeting this as their Linux Mail Client on Ximian.
Gentoo Users (Score:3, Informative)
S/MIME support? (Score:5, Interesting)
How are certificates and keys managed? Does it (hopefully) use a PKCS#11 module like Mozilla?
I don't know why more stuff doesn't use S/MIME early on. PGP/GPG and the others are not really standard and don't work off-the-shelf with a lot of big software (Mozilla and Outlook being two of them).
If we're gonna get news like this... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:If we're gonna get news like this... (Score:2)
Better still, how about also saying what the product IS? I've never heard of Evolution, and had to dig around a bit to discover that it's a PIM. Would it kill people to spend another three words to say that in the headline?
Fedora Core 1 not supported (Score:5, Interesting)
I am using Fedora Core 1
Re:Fedora Core 1 not supported (Score:2)
Evolution == Ximian == Novell == SUSE
Developer release? (Score:4, Informative)
So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel? So does that mean that if I am not in a testing mood, I should rather wait for 1.6?
Re:Developer release? (Score:5, Informative)
So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel?
Yes and yes.
If you don't want to be testing 1.5 then you should be waiting for a stable 2.0 [gnome.org]. Of course, if you can, testing 1.5 is a good thing.
Re:Developer release? (Score:2)
Snapshot packages of 1.5 are (and have been) available for several distributions (SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0; Red Hat Linux 9; Mandrake Linux 9.1 and 9.2) via either Red Carpet (for t
What's the big excitement? (Score:5, Informative)
Like the kernel, the odd dot releases are development.
That said, I choose to use evolution 1.4 for most of my email needs.
This is a testing release (Score:5, Informative)
This is one of the Evolution testing releases that go along with Gnome 2.5. The goal is a stable Evolution 2.0 and Gnome 2.6 later in the spring. Check out he roadmap [gnome.org].
So by all means, pick up 1.5 if you want to help with bug fixing, but this is not a "stable" release.
OK this is lame but..... (Score:2, Funny)
OT - Re:OK this is lame but..... (Score:2)
(Red vs. Blue reference, you scoundrels!)
I still think... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of Evolution and why it may be impossible to run on Windows, but I think that if it were possible, it would be a large boon to the project.
Re:I still think... (Score:4, Interesting)
Uh, no. I would like to think the purpose of releasing OS software for Windows is not to "make a clone," but rather to "supply the same functionality in an application that is open, standards-compliant, and similiar in appearance/use."
A lot of open source developers have the attitude of "anything you can do, we can do better." And this is a good thing. You wouldn't say, "Why run Firebird on Windows? It's just a IE clone, run the real thing," now would you?
Re:I still think... (Score:2)
Re:I still think... (Score:2)
I have to wonder if the money spent on Windows wouldn't be better spent improving Evolution and making it blow Outlook out of the water
In due time, I say. We cannot over-look the hooooge Windows user-base. First you need a working client. Then you can get feedback and improve upon it.
How many people do you think believe that they can offer suggestions to Microsoft in improve thier products? I know I've sent email to MS on more than one occasion, suggesting that they investigate adding tabbed browsin
Re:I still think... (Score:2)
Re:I still think... (Score:2)
You're an Evolution developer?
No, I'm not. I didn't mean to give that impression. Perhaps my choice of the word "we" was inadvertantly misleading...
Ximian Connector (Score:4, Interesting)
CB
Re:Ximian Connector (Score:2, Informative)
Yes (Score:5, Informative)
I personally use it to connect to our Exchange 2003 server and it works quite well. Your company's Exchange server will need OWA support enabled however.
Re:Rdesktop (Score:2)
Re:Rdesktop (Score:2)
Re:Ximian Connector (Score:2)
Then updating to Fedora Core 1 broke it, and Ximian is only saying Real Soon Now on a fix. So if you're using latest-n-greatest, you too may be hosed for now.
Remote calendar support? (Score:5, Insightful)
That having been said, though, I am still disappointed by the fact that they are not supporting remote calendars out of the box. Sure, you can buy plugins to connect it to Exchange, or Netscape/iPlanet/SunONE/JES calendar server (whatever they're calling it this week), and presumably Groupwise (soon)
So how about it, codemonkeys? The sooner we get some real open source calendaring going, the sooner we can start to make a real challenge to Outlook. Microsoft loves the Outlook/Exchange lock-in. They love it so much that they're trying to do the same thing across their entire product line (Office 2003 has many ties to SharePoint server). The window of opportunity is open, but it won't be forever.
Evolution 1.5 Screens (Score:3, Informative)
mail [members.shaw.ca]
tasks [members.shaw.ca]
bayesian spam filter? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:bayesian spam filter? (Score:3, Informative)
While this isn't a feature of Evolution per-se, you can integrate bogofilter into it pretty easily [ime.usp.br]. I use it myself and other than a bunch of false positives from a few mailing lists, it's great.
Re:bayesian spam filter? (Score:2, Informative)
Feature Request (Score:4, Insightful)
http://www.research.ibm.com/remail/ [ibm.com]
In my opinion, borrowing ideas like that for a groupware/email client would be what distinguishes Evolution from the competition.
Oh, and pretty please make a Winders version for those of us that are stuck here? :)
Kernel numbering! it's a devel release! (Score:4, Informative)
Built-in spam filtering? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Built-in spam filtering? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Built-in spam filtering? (Score:5, Informative)
pgp (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:pgp (Score:3, Interesting)
Mutt comes close, but doesn't have the ability to "opportunistically encrypt" messages -- i.e. encrypt the message if a key for the destination email address can be found, otherwise not.
Using this would help encourage people to use email encryption.
less like Outlook, strange UI things (Score:5, Insightful)
the version that comes with XD2 seems to have begun a move away from Outlook. and i'm debating in my mind if this is a good thing or not. surely the "switch"-like campaign would favour apps that looked and behaved more like MS apps for the sake of familiarity when moving across to a new environment. obviously the bad side of this is the whole innovation-stiffling argument that if one just mimicks Microsoft behaviour, what benefit other than cost is being added?
anyway, i would be in a better position to speak once actually having given it a test - but the UI on those screenshots seems a lot LESS intuitive than i've seen in previous releases. a few examples:
Calendar [gnome.org]
it may seem obvious to a geek, but what is "Local"? and how does that differ from "On This Computer" in the tasks [gnome.org] screenshot? also, what the heck is the "Component" button at the bottom there? and why do the buttons at the bottom there look so ugle. the ones on Tasks have icons, those don't. basically inconsistent UI.
i understand that this is a dev. release, but it seems silly to me to ignore UI in a odd release while developing the functionality and then maybe coming back to it in the following release. the way a user interacts with software should be considered throughout a development cycle as interaction changes can often lead to large programming changes.
Re:less like Outlook, strange UI things (Score:3, Interesting)
Jedidiah
Where's the junk button? (Score:4, Interesting)
wish I had the time to do it myself.
-jj-
Re:Where's the junk button? (Score:2, Informative)
Still no note/memo support?? (Score:3, Interesting)
Synchronizing to a PDA will exclude these. This was by far one of the most useful aspects of using Outlook with a PDA (the ability to copy any arbitrary text and load it to a PDA as a memo). I had built large collections of travel directions, software/hardware serial numbers, network IP information, reference data, even Xmas lists using this facility.
I'd rather the Evolution team provide function parity before they spend time glitzing the UI.
Re:Still no note/memo support?? (Score:3, Informative)
I still use JPilot [jpilot.org], even though I use Evolution, because I really want access to my notes.
Evolution developers: please add a "notes" feature to Evolution. Just like on a Palm PDA, the first line of the note should be treated as a title, and there should be a title view for picking a memo. There should be searching within the memo text. The memo feature should use the same character set as the Palm uses so that accents and such display correctly.
P.S. JPilot has plugins, and I'd like to see t
Version Numbering for Compatibility (Score:4, Interesting)
FTA:
"note that there are still some bugs migrating data from 1.4.x to 1.5 and that 1.5 stores its information in ~/.evolution rather than ~/evolution/ so that if you add new info in 1.5 in will not show up in 1.4.x."
Version numbers should reflect the features and requirements of the software they describe. When I worked for Apple, we recognized that software compatibility depended on both data formats/protocols and user interfaces. MAJOR.minor.revision(.patch/build) numbers reflected interoperability: Adding features, either to the GUI or functionality, that the user could notice, incremented the MAJOR number. Changing data/protocol formats, in the filesystem, over the network, or otherwise (any I/O, like sensors), incremented the minor number. Revision numbers reflected internal changes interesting only to developers, likewise any patch or build numbers. Forward/backward compatibility becomes just another feature/requirement, a special case of any given version, never to be expected unless explicitly included.
With that simple scheme, we could tell whether a version wouldn't interoperate with other software in a suite, or might require retraining (eg, glance at documentation) to use. Or fixed a bug. With those rules, we defended rational version numbering in favor of users (and developers) - defended from the insane ravages of marketdroids who were locked in a version numbering "arms race" with the competition.
Gotta get me summa dat! (Score:2)
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:3, Interesting)
What I like about Mozilla is the spam filter - fantastic. In the morning I spend 5 minutes filtering mail in outlook, only about 10 seconds in Mozilla. On average I get maybe 400 emails per day, of which about 300-350 are spam. That's because I'm the 'catchall' for the domains though...
If people didn't send me bloody word document
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
through all my trials of mail on Linux, Outlook has just worked
Outlook isn't quite as bad as Mozilla, but it's still got it's share of issues - not the least of which is wonky POP3 support. I get at least one call a week from users who get the same mail over and over due to Outlook (a mail from the server causes the POP3 collector to crash, and Outlook doesn't delete the mail as it retreives it - it waits until ev
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
Let me point out the differences: First, Mozilla allows reasonably easy backup and restore of email. It even imports Outlook's email flawlessly. To this date, I have not found a reliable method of backing up Outlook and being able to retrieve it in a usable format.
Second, there is the handling of spam and junk mail. Outlook is pretty darn worthless, even with filtering enabled, it prett
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
Just copy the outlook.pst file to somewhere else. This is a back up. To restore, just put it back over the active one and re-open outlook.
Third, I probably don't need to go into the annoying tendency Outlook has of opening mails to allow a
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
Whenever I get an email with (square-character) repeated a lot on the subject line, Mozilla just hangs. It will also just hang when I restart it. I'm assuming it's japanese (could be Chinese, Korean, whatever, I'm not capable of determining the difference). It looks 'far east' when viewed in Outlook.
I think it's the X server because no-one else has ever mentioned it, and I'm running on old (Matrox G400) video ha
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:5, Interesting)
You've never supported Outlook for others, I take it? It does several weird things with POP3. Take, for instance, this recent problem I've been having where Outlook thinks that a messages is 48KB in size when in fact it's only 46KB. It downloads the 46KB, doesn't get any more for that message, tries again, and again, and again, until it chokes and dies. This one guy had 500Megs of that one message in his inbox, and it never even got removed from the server (neither did anything past it). This is probably the POP server's "fault" (they use Post.Office... *shudder*), but the MDA should definitely be able to handle a fault like that.
Anyways, I'm not bashing Outlook in particular (I think on the whole the Office line is Microsoft's best work), I just find it odd that people are totally used to the bugs in Microsoft programs but think that equally annoying but different bugs somehow bar Linux from the desktop.
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:3, Interesting)
Good.
Anything that forces users to get off POP3 and use something halfway decent (IMAP anyone?) is a good thing in my book.
It beats having to deal with people who get all their email stuck on their laptop and end up loosing all synchronization with the server and their other systems. With IMAP everything stays on the server, you only download the *headers* you want, you get info on what you've replied to and read, you get multiple folders...
Seriously, why
Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (Score:2)
Re:Gnome translate-o-matic 1.5 has been released (Score:2)
Twaddle. My default Debian install didn't even have X installed. I think you'll find that the default when you "apt-get x-windows-system" is TWM. I chose to follow this with "apt-get kde". There is no GNOME installed on my Debian box.
Re:woohoo! (Score:2)
Re:woohoo! (Score:5, Funny)
What the fuck is "evolution"?
Apparently something your murky area of the genetic pond stopped doing generations ago.
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:2)
Have you looked at Mozilla Calendar [mozilla.org]?
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:2, Informative)
I also agree the it would be nice to have a separate Gnome calendar (i.e KDE's Organizer, or whatever it was called) but in the mean while Mozilla Calendar [mozilla.org] looks quite good...
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:2)
There is no reason why the gui can't blend a handful of separate applications into a seemless, completely integrated user experience. What is needed is some open design guides so that applications can share each other's data.
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:2)
It works by integrating various programs (kmail, address book, knode, korganizer (calender) etc).
There are some things that need to be added IMO, including better kopete integration with the address book (3.2 will be the first kde where kopete is part of it, so there is some slack needed :) )
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:3, Insightful)
Rubbish. That sort of user wouldn't even know the difference. It's all down to presentation. If you can present a bunch of apps so that they work together seamlessly, then the end user may as well think of them as a single app. That's the direction in which we should be heading. But too many people are too eager to clone the mistakes that Microsoft have made instead...
Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (Score:3, Informative)
Apple would disagree with you. Apple's approach is to separate out the address book, calendar and mail applications - they all interoperate, but they're all different applications. So far, the only slight glitch in this is the lack of import of birthdays between address book and calendar. Other than that, the approach works really well.
I'd argue that Apple are rather more g
Perhaps Microsoft holds a patent or two (Score:2)
I can connect it to Exchange server? But you will charge me money for this?
What makes you think Ximian was able to do it with no cost? It's rather likely that Microsoft may hold DMCA rights, patents, or barratry rights[1] against anybody who implements Exchange protocol without its permission and a policy of not granting such permission without a royalty payment in return.
[1] "Barratry rights" aren't recognized in statute; they are created de facto when courts refuse to do anything to prevent a wealt
I agree (Score:3, Informative)
1) Spam controls need to be built into Evolution.
2) Customizable icons. Evolution's UI is too big and wastes desktop space. It also looks a bit too Gnome 1.4 . .
3) Threaded messages don't work particularly well.
4) Pilot syncing is hit or miss for most people (I've gotten it working in the past, but not since 1.2).
5) IMAP controls are a bit weird. Either you empty your trash upon exit, or messages marked
Re:Optometrix v20.20 release coming soon? (Score:2)
In KDE, you can set it right in the font configuration panel (just exclude what feels right, excluding 8pt to 12pt is what windows does)
Not so sure of how to do it with gnome, but you could try putting something in ~/.fonts.conf, or look up how to control AA using xft, specifically, disabling it at specific font sizes.
http://thesapphirecat.iwarp.com/present/program / xf t.html
The other thing worth checking is whether you hav