Toyota Offers Automatic Parallel Parking Option 504
dstone writes "For drivers who can't parallel park very well, relief is available in Japan. Toyota Motor Corp. is offering a $2,200 option package for its Prius (a gas-electric hybrid car) that includes a computer imaging system which stuffs your car into parallel parking spaces on demand. The driver must manually initiate the process and control the brakes while the car steers in reverse. Some might say if you can't master parallel parking, perhaps you shouldn't be driving. However, the article at Modbee.com points out that in Japan, streets are jammed and parallel parking spaces can be ruthlessly small. 80% of Prius customers have opted for this package. But will the car plug the meter when I run out of time?"
How about automatic pilot? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How about automatic pilot? (Score:5, Funny)
I'm all for that... A few weeks ago, this woman (on her mobile phone) cut right accross the front of me, from the outside lane to the inside (I was in lane 2)...
It suprised me so much that I nearly dropped my razor into my corn flakes ;-)
Re:How about automatic pilot? (Score:2, Funny)
It suprised me so much that I nearly dropped my razor into my corn flakes ;-)
Phew! I'm glad you avoided that accident!
Re:How about automatic pilot? (Score:3, Funny)
Also stated in that law is that all BMW drivers must have their fog lights on, regardless of the weather conditions.
Re:FUNNY??? How about -1 Sexist! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:FUNNY??? How about -1 Sexist! (Score:2)
No kidding. [eddieizzard.com]
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Re:FUNNY??? How about -1 Sexist! (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, but they don't.
(And yes, I realize your post was satirical.)
Re:FUNNY??? How about -1 Sexist! (Score:3, Funny)
Actually, the only sexism here is in your post. Nice try, but try again. :)
He did *not* say "Bitches need mo' time fo' talkin' on their cells, slapping the ho' kids, and puttin' on make up." :)
heading for that -1 Troll mod again
Old News (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Old News (Score:4, Interesting)
ahhhhhhh (Score:2, Funny)
Re:ahhhhhhh (Score:2)
I'm now on a full license, having been on the road for 4 years now - and to this day I haven't attempted a single paraa... i'll-be-fucked-if-i-can-spell-that-word park...
Why the brake need? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why the brake need? (Score:3, Insightful)
one word: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why the brake need? (Score:5, Informative)
It's an hybrid electric car with "Electronically controlled continuously variable transmission"
There is nopt only not an option to get manual gear shifting, but the car doesn't even really shift in the traditional sense, it just moves up along a cone shaped gear.
Look here for an explaination of CVT. [indiacar.com]
Re:Why the brake need? (Score:3, Informative)
There is nopt only not an option to get manual gear shifting, but the car doesn't even really shift in the traditional sense, it just moves up along a cone shaped gear.
The Prius uses a planetary gearset as its "CVT", not a pair of cone-shaped pulleys and a belt. This planetary gearset (to which the engine, electric motor, wheels, and generator are attached) also serves as the power management system, sending power from either the engine, the electric motor, or both to the wheels and/or the generator to
Prius transmission (Score:5, Informative)
The Prius CVT is much cleverer and simpler than the usual cone-shaped gear.
There's an explanation and a Flash animation at http://www.howstuffworks.com.
The entire transmission consists of one constant-mesh planetary gear assembly. The outer ("ring") gear is permanently connected to the electric drive motor-generator and to the differential. The "planet" gears are on a carrier permanently connected to the gas engine. The central ("sun") gear is permanently connected to the motor-generator that sits between the gas engine and the battery pack, and which serves as both the starter and the battery charger.
The magic is that the onboard computer, by rerouting electricity to/from the battery pack, can set the speed of the sun gear independently of what else the car is doing. Once that speed is set, there's a sort of gear ratio between the gas wheels and the engine. That ratio can be set to infinity when the car is running in pure electric mode, or to zero during warmup, the only time when the gas engine idles. A gear ratio of zero eliminates the need for a clutch.
Looking at it mathematically, the planetary gear system is one linear equation in three unknowns (the speeds of the gears). Set one unknown, the speed of the sun gear, and it's one (linear) equation in two unknowns. Solve that and you've got a linear relationship.
Looking at it physically, because the gears are always engaged and always have the same number of teeth, there's a fixed torque split. Because rotation speed can be changed, and power is torque times rotational speed, there's a changeable power split.
Looking at it in engineering terms, there are no clutches to wear out, no fluid couplings to leak, and no friction bands to go bad. The count of moving parts is breathtakingly low. It's one of the most elegant achievements of mechanical engineering and helped win the Prius the Society of Automotive Engineers award for Best Engineered Car of 2001.
Parking Assist (Score:2, Informative)
Using the arrows, you move the lines around until they define exactly where you want the car to be parked. Then you push the "set" button on the display. Keep your foot lightly on the bra
Re:Parking Assist (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not sure about the physics involved, but my experience tells me that the going back and forth technique seems to have rather diminishing returns... often I find that redoing the whole thing (driving back out on the street and revising my entrance vector) is more worthwhile. The fact that most cars only have wheels which turn in the front could be significant.
So maybe the major limitation is not that major after all? I might be seriously wrong though
PS. Offtopic sidenote: It's nice to see the Linux big boys in here with random Finnish coders like myself
Re:Parking Assist (Score:2)
PS. Offtopic sidenote: It's nice to see the Linux big boys in here with random Finnish coders like myself :)
Maybe you should re-read his username and look at his number, it's higher than mine. :)
His username is Eric S. Rayrnond. :)
Re:Parking Assist (Score:5, Funny)
Only on Slashdot is parallel parking described in terms of an "entrance vector."
Re:Parking Assist (Score:2)
Look closer - his user name is "Eric S RayRNond". I think you've been had.
Quite so... I wonder how Eric would react to this? Something to do with firearms, I would presume
Re:Parking Assist (Score:2, Funny)
Don't know about you, but I praise power steering every day :)
Re:TROLL ALERT!! (Score:2)
and b) it's funny.
So shut the hell up, troll.
No thanks... (Score:3, Interesting)
I guess learning how to do things on your own is going the way of the do-do bird, so to speak.
Re:No thanks... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:No thanks... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
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Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
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Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
THAT is the price you pay for having the rolling up done for you.
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
-N
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
LOL
Seriously, to respond to the GP poster anyway...
With his reasoning, we should all be walking. THat's right, because that's doing it yourself. EVERY OTHER FORM OF TRANSPORTATION is specifically so we DON'T have to do it ourselves, because we'd never get there fast enough, or at all. Imagine if Columbus had said "Who needs a sailboat? We can swim just fine! Besides, you should always do things yourself."
Seriously, all these little "luxuries" add up over time to provide some serious transportation.
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
If the spaces are so small . . . (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean it's all very well being able to cram yourself into a tight parking space [guinnessworldrecords.com], but getting out might just be a bit trickier.
Re:If the spaces are so small . . . (Score:2)
Maybe on a Lexus (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:Maybe on a Lexus (Score:2)
In Your Humbe Opinion indeed. The presumption that every Toyota drives like a golf cart is just about as correct as presuming that every Ford Explorer ever made is a death trap.
But I respect your opinion, obviously.
PS. Not that I'm a Toyota fan, I drive a Subaru myself
Unfortunately, though (Score:3, Informative)
Anyway, it's an extremely cool feature and all, but is parking really that hard? Mind you, I'm the sort of automotive Luddite that thinks that power steering's a bad idea, so maybe I'm not the right man to ask.
Re:Unfortunately, though (Score:2)
(i.e. USians)
Re:Unfortunately, though (Score:2)
DUPE! (Score:2, Informative)
Parallel parking... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Parallel parking... (Score:2)
its only been in the test for a few years though i think so there hasn't been a noticable effect yet. judging from where i work (chocca with student cars) people's ability to parallel park varies greatly.
Re:Parallel parking... (Score:2)
Back in my day, '94, you got any two of parallel parking, reverse around a corner or three-point turn.
But it's like anything else you learn - I crammed it for the test but I've probably lost it because I don't get any practice. I've a garage at home and I use a car park for the shops and station. I th
Re:Parallel parking... (Score:2)
USA drivers (Score:5, Interesting)
Now before you all toast me, I don't hold this to be a general truth. But European cars are smaller and parking bays are often more crowded than their North American counterparts. And I'm led to believe this could be even more so in Japan.
So yay to anything that helps you parallel park in a confined space.
Umm , not sure about that (Score:3, Informative)
guarantee a woman parked it especially if its one of those "lifestyle" 4x4s that only tiny women with kids seem to drive. Maybe female ex-pats park well
abroad because they're the good parkers who got fed up with their car being bashed every time they went shopping and decided to emigrate
I think I'd have to disagree... (Score:5, Informative)
I will, however, reinforce the grandparent posters point, albeit more directly. I was learning how to drive in the UK when I went on an long summer holiday to Florida. At the time I went over, my driving instructor thought I had a fair way to go (and I did) before I could consider taking a driving test and getting my licence. But, when I got to the US, getting a licence over there was ridiculously easy by comparison.
For one thing, learners in the UK (and in most countries) learn in manual (ie, stick-shift) rather than automatic vehicles, quite the opposite of their US counterparts. For another, they have a whole handbook of information that they have to absorb, with details on everything from road signage, stopping distances, driving in hazardous conditions, etc - from what I saw, theoretical knowledge is barely tested in the US.
Also, the most tricky manouvre tested in the US seems to be parking, whereas in the UK you also have to safely demonstrate emergency stopping, reversing around a corner, making a three-point turn (turning around the direction of your car in a confined area using forward and reverse gears), etc.
Nowadays the UK standards are even tougher, with two seperate stages, a theoretical test and a practical test, both of which must be passed to attain a driver's licence. I believe the standards in some European countries (such as Germany, if I remember correctly) are just as strict.
In some places, such as Northern Ireland, newly qualified drivers are required to wear special plates on their cars to alert other drivers of their rookie status, further ensuring road safety.
Yup, same here (FR) (Score:2)
Nothing really changed on the actual fatalities reports until they started running fine-o-matic devices like there are in the UK.
Re:I think I'd have to disagree... (Score:2)
Re:USA drivers (Score:2)
As for the parallel parking assistance, if I had that, I might actually be tempted to get a driver's license here in Japan. You have no idea how severe parking can be (especially if you're reading Slashdot from the states)
Almost the same experience (Score:2)
As soon as I was done and ready to leave, I had one security guard on my tail who told me that I wasn't allowed to park in reverse. I didn't understand why I was being challenged at first, since this policy was indicated nowhere. The guard answered that if other drivers saw my car parked in reverse, they might attempt to do the
It would be even better if (Score:4, Interesting)
Optional extra (Score:3, Funny)
I'd settle for it berating ticket-writing meter maids when I run out of time.
Australian Meter Maids (Score:2)
I for one
Check out out this Link [metermaids.com] for some info.
Large Cars as Status Symbols (Score:4, Insightful)
My 2 coppers.
- Lnr
Re:Large Cars as Status Symbols (Score:2)
I want a small two seater commuter. I would love for it to be the size of an Isetta or even a real mini (not that americanized junk that is here.) Back in the early 80's there were isuzu and Toyota subcompacts and they were great for the city commuter. I could park places that nobody else could (mostly because of the idiots that drove lincolns and caddilacs that were entitled t
What will they think of next? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What will they think of next? (Score:2)
I'm a loser (Score:4, Funny)
I kind of feel shame about it!
Re:I'm a loser (Score:2)
I remember once going to a formerly regular haunt of mine, a cafe, and being presented with the option of reverse parking up a hill, right in front of the cafe, or just nosing into an illegal park on the other side of the (one way) road. I took the easy option and parked on t
Re:I'm a loser (Score:2)
The instructor basically just said to line up this corner of the car with that point on the road, turn the wheels thus, and reverse in. And it worked perfectly, eve
I wonder (Score:2, Interesting)
In the US, these have to pass some stern Government inspection and testing before they are allowed on the road. I don't think I want the liability.
Is parking really that hard? Are people really that stupid and lazy?
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
You probably won't make the cost back but I bet it would be
Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:5, Insightful)
But when I read the article (bad slashdotter, BAD!) and came to the part that said 'there is no onboard object recognition, so there is nothing that is going to stop you from running over something in the parking space.' I thought, oooohhhh boy.
I don't think this will make it to the US for this reason. If it does, then the first time someone runs over someone elses dog all hell is gonna break loose. People are gonna be saying that it is in fact Toyota's fault that they ran over the dog.
Stupid lawsuits, stupid people.
Come to think of it wew may never get that feature in the US no matter how good of a job they do.
Lets say a company does make a decent object recognition package for the car, is it possible for them to actually be 100 percent sure that the car will recognize an object in 100 percent of situations that come along?
Cause as soon as that figure moves to 99 percent then some doofushead is gonna argue that the object recognition feature takes the responsibility of running something over out of there hands and into the car manufacturers hands.
Nah, we will never see it on our shores.
Re:Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:3, Insightful)
But won't it? I mean, once we get to the point where parking is achieved by pressing the "Park" button, isn't there a reasonable expectation of such a system not laying tread to the neighbor's pooch? Or ramming the car behind you?
When you offer automation, it has to come with a
Re:Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:3, Interesting)
Not really. If the parking system ran over someone while operating normally its no different to you having the cruise on doing 65 and not
braking if someone steps out into the road. The car is just operating normally, YOU are who is in control of the machine and its YOUR responsibility to operate it correctly.
Re:Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:3, Insightful)
But won't it? I mean, once we get to the point where parking is achieved by pressing the "Park" button, isn't there a reasonable expectation of such a system not laying tread to the neighbor's pooch? Or ramming the car behind you?
Do airliner pilots have to monitor the aircraft when it's on autopilot? Why?
When you offer automation, it has to come with a level of reliability and safety that the manufacturer could be held accountable if failure leads to damage.
There is no first-gen device that comes with
hence you control the brake (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Lawsuit waiting to happen in the US (Score:3, Informative)
will not work if the driver does not have their
foot on the brake pedal. True, the Prius does
not have object recognition to avoid running over
something - that's what the driver is for. The
driver does not have to steer into the parking
space, but they do have to brake. No lawsuits -
if the car hits something it's because the driver
did not brake, not the car!
Hasn't Science-Fiction taught us anything?! (Score:5, Funny)
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that... and my air-conditioning unit needs replacing..."
(car runs over driver after geting out)
Sorry... had to be said...
This is a great feature (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, this is just one step closer to the car that drives itself - its going to take a long time for the public and the laws to allow this to happen, but eventually it will happen.
Driving Test Story (Score:5, Funny)
Picture this, an empty suburban street. Just one car parked on the road. All I have to do is park behind it. 10 min later, my car is about 6 feet away from the curb, at a 30 degree angle.
The woman giving me the test looked over the brim of her glasses and said, ``You want to try that again honey?''
I wanted to say no, because I was actually rather proud of how close I had gotten that time.
But, I tried again, with the same result.
``Why don't we move on.'' She said.
In the end, she passed me, but with the words, ``You're a very cautious driver, but the worst parallel parker I've seen in my entire career.''
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Re:Driving Test Story (Score:2)
Not bad, not bad. I think I can beat you, though. :)
2001 Toyota Corolla, 27 years old (me). I was told to park between two poles that were so far apart I could have parked TWO corollas in there. So I pull up next to the front pole, cut the wheel, and turn. Almost smashed the front pole! Crap. Try again. Pull in, doing great, thinking I'm doing perfectly. I finish, declare I'm done, and look over at the guy giving me the test.
"Why don't you step out and look?"
Sure enough, I was 2 feet from the cur
What about rfid parking meters (Score:3, Interesting)
Why not. This would be technically trivial. You modify the parking meter to have rfid sensors just like those toll booths. So you pull up to the thing and it just starts charging your parking account. You leave, it stops. No more getting angry because you left 1hr for the other guy. Or realizing that you didn't bring any quarters with you. Or running out in the middle of a meeting to stuff the meter.
Re:What about rfid parking meters (Score:2, Insightful)
Installing a pay-as-you-park meter completely defeats the purpose of the parking meter because it encourages you to leave your car in the space indefinitely with no penalty for failing to yield the space after a reasonable amount of time.
Re:What about rfid parking meters (Score:2)
Re:What about rfid parking meters (Score:2)
Alternate Method (Score:5, Funny)
Two thousand bucks my !@#$. These things weight 100, 120lbs, tops...
Re:Alternate Method (Score:5, Informative)
A technique known and beloved of original Mini owners (as in released-in-1959, not the new BMW ones). Got passengers? Simply pick up the car and carry it.
Cheers,
Ian
Can't parallel park (Score:5, Funny)
Let's hope not. *pats driver's license*
Best Solution (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course the Italians won't need this device, if the space isn't big enough they tend to ram the other cars until it is
Re:Best Solution (Score:2)
Of course the Italians won't need this device, if the space isn't big enough they tend to ram the other cars until it is ;)
I've done that before in the US. :) I had parked in a space that had all kinds of room, and then when I came out, one of the cars had moved, and another car had pulled in its place and was touching my bumper. Know that rule about how you need like 6 inches to be able to pull out? Couldn't do it. There was 2 inches of clearance in the front, and none in the back. Luckily, my bumpe
Parisian Solution (Score:5, Funny)
Everybody leaves there parking brake off, then, the car parking nudges the already parked cars along to make a big enough space.
Anyone foolish enough to actually engage the parking brake gets dented both ends.
People who need this shouldn't be driving? (Score:5, Insightful)
Truth is, a lot of drivers out there are probably a hazard to the rest of us, but anything that assists them and makes them less of a hazard is a good thing in my opinion.
Just because you're good at parallel parking, manual shifting, and using a command line doesn't mean that anyone who can't do those things well is inferior.
Haha (Score:2, Funny)
Unbelievable (Score:3, Interesting)
I've heard that some drivers training instructors are using toy cars to demonstrate how parallel parking works; some people can have a hard time visualizing it. I think the problem is that cars steer radically different when in reverse than when they're going forwards; this could be why some people have trouble backing up in general.
the feature I want (Score:2)
You shouldn't need it (Score:2)
Gender friendly (Score:3, Funny)
BMW (Score:3, Interesting)
Instructional video: Best way to parallel park (Score:5, Funny)
This is a lame implementation (Score:3, Interesting)
The Volkswagen automatic parking system of a decade ago was better.
What's really needed are low-cost 3D imaging laser rangefinders, to get an unambiguous picture of the nearby obstacles. Such devices are quite possible if there's a market for them. Today's laser rangefinders are big and clunky, but that's due to the tiny size of the market.
It's coming. Two no-moving-parts 3D laser rangefinders exist in prototype right now. One is too low power and doesn't have enough range. The other is too high power and isn't eye-safe (the application is antiaircraft missile guidance.) In a few years, this technology should filter down to the robotics and automotive communities.
WOW, "Beyond 2000" got one right (Score:3, Informative)
Not too bad at all, it's only 4 years "Beyond 2000" and these things are showing up.
LK
Great idea (Score:3, Informative)