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Curse Your Way to Live Support 486

EtherMonkey writes "Wired is reporting on new software developed at University of Southern California's Speech Analysis and Interpretation Laboratory. Researchers there have come up with working code to detect the frustration and anger level of callers working their way through automated attendant phone systems."The system works by analyzing not only what callers say, but also how they say it. Callers get transferred if they start to spit out expletives or if they simply sound angry.""
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Curse Your Way to Live Support

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  • If this were used at Microsoft, would this mean that the automated system would never be used?

    • Actually, I think a form of this was used at Microsoft a while back. I remember interviewing there (when I was young and confused) and being told by the interviewer that if you enter something like "This fucking thing won't work" into the help system, it automatically gives you the number for tech support. The idea is that if you're that unhappy you should really be speaking to a liver person, not navigating through the help system. Then again, I never actually confirmed this, and apparently it's not true
  • YEEEHAAAA (Score:5, Funny)

    by Em Emalb ( 452530 ) * <ememalbNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:34AM (#8238509) Homepage Journal
    Why do I foresee an increase of callers with Tourrettes?

    (auto attendant)Thank you for calling XYZ corp. For support, press

    (customer) FUCK SHIT DAMN HELL BITCH!!!

    (auto attendant) Transferring to an attendant. Thanks for calling XYZ Corp.

    (customer) SCHWEET.
    • by jeffy124 ( 453342 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:49AM (#8238798) Homepage Journal
      i prefer to think of The Simpsons, from Who Shot Mr Burns Part I [snpp.com]:

      Lisa: "Marge, Bart, Lisa, and Maggie." Dad, this doesn't have your name on it.
      [Homer looks closely at the card, then lowers it slowly]
      Homer: Kids, would you step outside for a second?
      [the kids run out]
      [standing up] F --
      [a church organ plays a chord; birds fly away; everyone stops]
      Ned: Dear Lord! That's the loudest profanity I've ever heard.

      Now I could imagine a machine blowing up when faced with some input such as the above.
      • Re:YEEEHAAAA (Score:3, Insightful)

        by lommer ( 566164 )
        I just shudder to to think that this will train people, to the point where eventually most tech support calls will sound like this. [techcomedy.com] Do the people who came up with this actually think they'll be making things easier on themselves?

        For other tech support stories and recordings like the mouse one, see http://www.techcomedy.com/new_stories.php [techcomedy.com]. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with the website, I just remembered reading some funny things there that popped into mind when I read this story.
    • Re:YEEEHAAAA (Score:5, Insightful)

      by cluckshot ( 658931 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:14PM (#8239143)

      I just wonder what this trains people to do in society?

      • Re:YEEEHAAAA (Score:5, Insightful)

        by gi-tux ( 309771 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @01:00PM (#8239758) Homepage
        My thoughts exactly. Let's reward those that have little or no patience. While we are at it, we must punish those that have self-control. If one has the self-control to not lose their temper with an inanimate object then one's length of time on hold will be increased.

        The real answer is to put people to work answering the phone. Yes, they cost more than the computer system costs in the short term, but all your customers are happier in the long run also. Besides that, if more people are working the cost can be distributed to more customers and the economy improves, etc.

        In the long run everyone would be better off! Well, except the guy that invented and probably patented this concept. And if we crush his patent aren't we better off also?

      • I agree (Score:5, Interesting)

        by bezuwork's friend ( 589226 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @01:22PM (#8239979)
        I wondered the same thing.

        When I worked in a record retail store, we had a policy posted above the cashier that all sales were final. Well, the thing was, if a customer came in and got mad at the counter and wouldn't leave, the manager would refund their money to get them to go out.

        I always felt this was shitty - aggressive, loud, selfish people got their money back while polite, friendly, non-confrontiational people didn't. I always thought everyone should be treated the same.

        On the other hand, if we wanted to reward some people and not others, why then I felt it should be the other way around - tell the assholes to get lost - call security if necessary - and give money back to people who were polite and nice about it. Geez, it might even begin to instill some politeness in some people.

        Then again, I've benefitted from this. At a local art store, they have a policy to give discounts to students. One day, the cashier asked someone in front of me if they were a student, when it came to my turn, I wasn't asked and forgot to provide my student card. When I remembered, just after having paid, the cashier refused. When I asked her to phone the manager, she did so and then turned to me with a very smug look and said she couldn't do it. I left, but was so angry (at her smugness at this point), I went back in and demanded to have the manager to tell me to my face that I didn't deserve the discount. This time I got it.

        I guess it is just a case of "the squeaky wheel gets the oil". It is probably not good to encourage this, though.

      • Re:YEEEHAAAA (Score:3, Insightful)

        I just wonder what this trains people to do in society?
        Nothing they didn't do already. Some people feel that attack is the best option when they think they are somehow wronged at the post office, tailgated at a traffic light, or whatever. As soon as they have a conflict, they start with shouting, abuse and threats.
  • by trp642 ( 551059 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:35AM (#8238516) Homepage
    So instead of dialing 0, I'll just say shit over and over and try to sound as mad as possible.

    I wonder if the system could be programmed to forward to Darl's extension if I were to say the words litigious bastards [thescogroup.com]?
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    • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:57AM (#8238931) Homepage Journal
      So instead of dialing 0, I'll just say shit over and over and try to sound as mad as possible.

      Let me get this straight, you have to try to sound mad????

      Man, who provides your support, I want them!!!

      Ex: 3 minutes of blather and advertising before the menu, option you want isn't apparent so you spend 10 minutes jumping around and going through the blather and ads again, you finally seem to find where you mean to be and wait 20 minutes listening to elevator music which soulnds like it is played through a broken kazoo, you finally get a voice and either it's a recording telling you they are now closed (please call back during the hours you are at work and can't call them) or you do get a human who informs you that this is the wrong department and transfers you to another queue.

      It's not all as bad as that, but if I were telekinetic there would be companies who would find their own equipment exploding in a shower of sparks and a few executives who would spontaneously fill their shorts (loudly) at the most inopportune times.

      Hmm... Inspiration.

      You hear a tinny voice say, "worst customer service, ever!"

    • Once the wave pattern hits the level the computer is programmed to recognize as the frustration cutoff point, the caller will immediately be transferred to the operator.

      I think that I'll just break out my Sam Kinnison albums at them. THAT should do the trick.

      I was on hold for five fucking years!!!
  • Why do i get the feeling that when Howard Dean needs tech support on this system, he'll be put through in 0.05 seconds :)
  • Seems like there's an easy way to play this system. Just start any voice mail maze by spitting a stream of invectives into the phone and you get premium support.
    • by ZoneGray ( 168419 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:46AM (#8238741) Homepage
      It sorta works, actually... I had to call Verizon support once, and they had one of those voice-recognition systems, where they ask you a bucnh of questions and you're supposed to speak the answer and then they try to figure out how to route the call. I started speaking gibberish, and I was connected to an operator within seconds.
      • by Don'tTreadOnMe ( 686201 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:07PM (#8239055)

        The last time I had to call Verizon repair services I was trapped in their new phone system, and my phone line was so noisy (hence the service call) that their voice recognition was not recognizing. I cursed at it a couple of times, and it asked me if I wanted to end the call. I said, "No!", and it continued.

        To test it, I cursed again, and sure enough, it said sweetly, "Would you like to end this call?"

        As an aside, I have had so many problems with my phone line that I now have my own personal Verizon rep, with a direct line to her office. But she seems pretty ineffective, so now I'm composing a letter to Mr. Seidenberg to see if he can get the damned line to work.
      • True Story (Score:5, Interesting)

        by The Angry Mick ( 632931 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:29PM (#8239358) Homepage

        I once had to call SallieMae to figure out why my regular student loan payments had just suddenly increased after 4 straight years of steady decline. I dialed into their oh-so-thoughtfully designed voice mail monstrosity, and proceeded to get routed back and forth into SEVEN different voice mail sub-systems. Each time I was transferred, the new system would greet me with the classic lie, "Your call is important to us". After five minutes of trawling through this POS looking for a department that actually contained human inhabitants, I finally bellowed "HUMAN!!!!!" as loud as I could into the receiver.

        Immediately, I heard a click, then lo and behold, a human voice said, "Thank you for calling SallieMae, how may I help you?"

  • That's great... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mephie ( 582671 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:36AM (#8238544) Homepage
    As if taking live calls in a helpdesk weren't bad enough already, now they want to ensure the caller hits maximum frustration and anger before we let them talk to a real person. Great. That'll make everyone's jobs much easier. Oh, and I'm sure it'll increase customer satisfaction as well.
    • That's Sad (Score:5, Insightful)

      by errxn ( 108621 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:44AM (#8238713) Homepage Journal
      Not to mention the idea that a company would be unwilling to provide actual human help to one of their customers until said customer was frustrated enough to start cursing into a telephone. Gee, that's just impeccable customer service, don't you think?

      I should know; I've been one of the people cursing into the phone before. This should come as a surprise to no one: the company in question was a major "fast-running" (wink wink) cell service provider. I had recently moved, and was trying to get my number switched over to the local area code. Never have I dealt with so much frustration in my life, before or since.
    • by ed.han ( 444783 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:46AM (#8238746) Journal
      actually, given that the user can set the app to trigger at [x] frustration level, perhaps not. i'm sure that some will deploy it as you describe, but perhaps not.

      however, my question: let's say dell's call center starts using this. if this fact becomes known, everyone will simply abuse it (a la all the tourette's comments), thereby doing nothing at all to improve the customer call experience.

      so you would have to deploy it in stealth mode, basically: nobody would know.

      also, something that bugs me personally: this system rewards the short-attention span, short-fused sorts, not the calm, patient callers. is anybody seeing this as a good trend?

      ed
    • Re:That's great... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by asr_man ( 620632 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:48AM (#8238791)
      Yes, this technology shouldn't be used to torture service reps with customers at the peak of their rage. Instead, use it to send 'em to voicemail with a special message indicating that they'll get a priority call back. That'll give them some time to cool off, and give the rep a chance to calmly gauge the priority based on customer type.
      • Re:That's great... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by bwhaley ( 410361 ) <{bwhaley} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:06PM (#8239043)
        Or, better yet, how about having an operator direct the calls. If the company can clearly see that their voice menu system is so complicated that it angers the customers, they need to change what they're doing! How refreshing would it be to call any large company (and I mean any) and have a real, live person answer the phone for once. I know it would catch me off guard.

        • I wanted to return a lot of PCS phones that were bad (no analog). I worked for an IV pharmacy that delivered to peoples homes, many of them in very rural areas of Missouri, Illinois & Iowa. So having analog work on all of our phones was extremely important to us.

          I had already delt with Sprints runaround (No, I do NOT have 3 frickin' weeks to get my phones replaced!) so I decided to call Samsung. No matter what option I pressed I could not get to a real live person. In disgust, I eventually gave up a
      • Re:That's great... (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Nintendork ( 411169 )
        I'm sorry, but that's a terrible idea. Customers are used to email responses taking two or three days and voice mails being ignored. Customers know that Greedy Corp is trying to save money by not giving them a live person to talk to. Hell, giving them a live person with language barriers is almost as bad! If the customer feels that they are only going to be thrown aside, they'll cancel service and go somewhere else or (In the case of a tangible product) buy from another manufacturer the next time. In t
    • The meek? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by GoofyBoy ( 44399 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:52AM (#8238856) Journal

      If this system becomes popular it will enforce "bad" social behaviour.

      Want better or more expensive service? Swear your head off.
      Want to be treated like an 7-digit number? Be polite.
    • Re:That's great... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by magarity ( 164372 )
      That'll make everyone's jobs much easier

      It will, really, since back when I worked general public customer service I was told to just hang up on anyone who used foul language.
  • Anger management (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:37AM (#8238556)
    So, what, because I am the epitome of human patience I get to speak to machines all day, while captian rage gets transferred to a human automatically?

    What a bunch of complete **** ... oh wait, it works!
  • Wife? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Gr33nNight ( 679837 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:37AM (#8238561)
    Can they make the software interface with the wife/gf? When I swear, she offers premium support!
  • May I help? (Score:5, Funny)

    by qw(name) ( 718245 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:37AM (#8238570) Journal

    When someone finally gets through to a real person after cursing their way through the system, it will probably be Helga from the old Kremlin Customer Support. She take care of you!
  • uhh (Score:5, Funny)

    by glen604 ( 750214 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:38AM (#8238585)
    Wouldn't transferring people based on their anger level just make them more annoyed? "I'm sorry, you've sworn too much- I'm transferring you now to our new 'ultra-swearing system'" (insert a series of expletives here from angry customer) "Error- $SwearNum overflow...press Ctrl-ALt-Del on your phone to restart system"
    • Re:uhh (Score:5, Funny)

      by RealityMogul ( 663835 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:14PM (#8239153)
      No, I envision a special division of tech support to handle these customers.

      Tech: Good afternoon sir, what do you fucking want.

      Customer: Don't get an attitude with me you fucking prick, I pay your salary by buying these shitty products! Let me talk to your manager!

      Tech: Fine, ya dumb fucker, hold on.

      Manager: Hello asshole, do you have a fuckin problem I can help you with?
  • Old-fashioned way: (Score:5, Informative)

    by PhxBlue ( 562201 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:38AM (#8238595) Homepage Journal

    Just hit 0 until the automated system gets frustrated and forwards you to a human being. It works almost every time, and saves you the frustration of dealing with the automated system in the first place.

    • by rbolkey ( 74093 )
      How about a real old fashioned way: use a pulse/rotary phone?
    • by donutz ( 195717 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:56AM (#8238917) Homepage Journal
      Just hit 0 until the automated system gets frustrated and forwards you to a human being. It works almost every time, and saves you the frustration of dealing with the automated system in the first place.

      I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "almost every time." In my experience, it's probably about 50% effective. Sometimes you need to dial 9 to get a human, and some systems haven't even let me get to a person no matter what I tried.
  • Since I've seemed to replace half the words and most punctuation with the word f*** when speaking. I f***ing knew my filthy f***ing mouth would f***ing come in f***ing handy one f***ing day. Mom will be so proud.
  • by pcause ( 209643 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:39AM (#8238605)
    This is truly useless software. Is anyone who calls support happy? If you are, are you after wading through 100 voice menus and waiting 30 minutes to get to a real person? And, can you be happy when you talk to someone who knows absolutely nothing, transfers you and your call gets dropped?

    A better solution is for companies to simply provide good technical support staffed by knowledgable and competent people.
  • Great... (Score:2, Funny)

    by Ghengis ( 73865 )
    Now when all the operators are "currently busy" helping other customers and I'm still stuck yelling at a machine, I'll know it's because the Adrew Dice Clay's of the world have priority over be due to their mouths.
  • Bah (Score:5, Funny)

    by Experiment 626 ( 698257 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:40AM (#8238623)

    I prefer to press "0" at the automated phone tree, and save the outbursts of profanity for the morons who tell me they can't help me with my billing problem.

  • by manganese4 ( 726568 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:40AM (#8238625)
    I am sure the people who sell search engine how-tos will be churning out scripts for customers to properly ramp up their anger.

    If service agent says "blah blah blah" you respond "yada yada yada" for 10 anger management points but pause for 3 seconds during your statement to ensure that you anger velocity quotient does not exceed 50 fcks/min
  • by mr_resident ( 222932 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:40AM (#8238626) Homepage
    The automated attendant at Dell:

    Thank you for calling Dell's Customer Support Line. If you're experiencing a frustrating issue, please drop the F-bomb now..

  • by earlytime ( 15364 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:42AM (#8238659) Homepage
    How about writing aprogram what actually helps solve the users' suport request? Isn't the real purpose of an automated calling system to do that without having to hire a real person to answer FAQs?

    My problem with phone support is that is seems to take so long to establish that I know what i'm talking about, and trying to tell them what I need. It's rare that I call tech support and actually need them to diagnose a problem for me. It would be nice to have a customer profile that incorporates a product proficiency quotient(tm). so that I can go right to an engineer or product replacement on an issue I can diagnose myself.
    • by plopez ( 54068 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:48AM (#8238770) Journal
      no, the problem is minimizing service costs. They want to provide the minimum service they can get away with. No service qualifies as such and so if they can discourage you and have you dump out of the queue, they win.

      HTH
    • by Chibi ( 232518 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:28PM (#8239336) Journal
      My problem with phone support is that is seems to take so long to establish that I know what i'm talking about, and trying to tell them what I need. It's rare that I call tech support and actually need them to diagnose a problem for me. It would be nice to have a customer profile that incorporates a product proficiency quotient(tm). so that I can go right to an engineer or product replacement on an issue I can diagnose myself.


      While you might know what you're talking about, there will be plenty of people out there who don't, but think they do. If automated systems had this option, it'd get so flooded it would basically be useless.

      You're basically asking people to admit their ignorance. While there are thankfully some people out there not afraid to admit they don't know something, you'll get plenty of stubborn people who refuse to admit they don't know what's going on, even when calling for tech support.

      • That's why you have a "product proficiency quotient"(tm). The customer answers a few relevant questions about the product and the problem that they're having. This (running tally)score gets stored in the customer profile. Each time the customer calls, the phone queue mgmt sowftare decides where to insert the call into the queue based on past calls and their ppq. Mr CCIE gets injected straight to the engineer(L3) queue, no L1 or L2 support at all. Mr "i can't print, and btw aol is slow" goes to L1, and gets
  • by Doesn't_Comment_Code ( 692510 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:43AM (#8238678)
    For account assistance, press or say ONE

    If you know your party's extension, press or say TWO

    For a staff directory, press or say THREE

    To speak with an operator, press FOUR or say "SHIT SHIT ASS DAMN"

    To repeat this menu press *
  • Irony (Score:5, Insightful)

    by derphilipp ( 745164 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:44AM (#8238695) Homepage
    ...but will it detect irony ? "... yes but of course I am willing to take the server offline and install an other operating system so your tool you sold me for a lot of money will work..." Or is the time measured untill you hang up ? If the caller hangs up early he was very angry. If he/she hangs up after being one hour on hold, she was not angry. Analyze who is often angry and give them premium service. Analyze who is not angry and sell them premium service.
  • Hmm. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by American AC in Paris ( 230456 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:44AM (#8238703) Homepage
    On one hand, this can easily be presented as a way to improve customer service by detecting and addressing angry customers quickly and appropriately. Your normal tech support people answer 'patient' calls, and you set up and train a 'high-risk' support center to handle irate callers. As a normal caller, you end up speaking to a tech that doesn't have to deal with assholes. As an asshole, you get shunted to a person who is specially trained to deal with you. Everybody wins.

    On the other hand, one can readily claim that this is a tool to allow companies to better define and pursue the lower bound of just how little money and manpower they can allocate to customer service. As an asshole, you get to barge to the front of the line and berate live support that much faster; as a normal person, you'll either wait an eternity for support or get angry enough to trigger the system. The callers and tech support both lose, but the company sees an immediate reduction in support costs.

    Now, which way do you all think this will swing?

    • That depends. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by autechre ( 121980 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:29PM (#8239355) Homepage
      Will the general population continue to value "cheap" and "more" above all else? This will force companies to cut costs above all else. "Evil" corporations aren't successful for no reason at all.

      I once heard a statistic that the profit margin from a PC was used up in one tech support call. That sounds a tad extreme, but I remember the tiny, tiny markup on computer parts from when I worked at a small family-owned computer store. When my mom worked at Koenig's Art Emporium, the manager refused to carry anything he couldn't mark up more than 40%. Aquarium stores average 50% (operation costs on livestock must be considered, but the markup is on everything). We probably would have killed for 20 in most cases. It was not uncommon to make only a few dollars on a hard drive. I suspect the situation has worsened rather than improved, and there were companies underselling us at the computer shows (usually with lesser warranties).

      [Of course, being in a small shop, I was building/fixing systems while taking tech support calls, so that wasn't a big hit for us.]

  • by Chagatai ( 524580 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:45AM (#8238729) Homepage
    I say that this system would only be fair if the help desk people to whom the calls get transferred get to use explicatives, too

    Thanks for calling ABC Corp, how may...
    Porcupine balls!
    Transferring your call now...
    (muttering) Stupid computer...
    Hi, this is Mike at the Internet Help Desk, how can I help you?
    I think I accidentally deleted my link to your Internet. Can I get it back?
    Holy crap! We have our own Internet? Why wasn't I made aware of this?! Well, restoring your link shouldn't be a problem, unless you happen to be a rhesus monkey suffering from simian hemmorhagic fever. Does this fit your description, little man?
    Uhhh....
    I guess it does! Now, here's how you fix your stupid problem...

    • Actually, you hit the nail on the head with your comment: the people on the other end of the line shouldn't have to swear, but should be able (without any fear of a "write up") to be a wiseass.

      I think that would make the world a better place.

      For instance, I would probably fall on the ground laughing if I went to the car service department, and had the guy behind the service desk tell me I'm a moron when I start outwardly thinking about what "might" be wrong with the car... :)
  • Excactly wrong (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Derkec ( 463377 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:48AM (#8238769)
    I hate seeing this sort of stuff. Because a customer is angry, you decide to give them better support than someone who treats you well. The obvious next step is that if someone takes his anger out on the help desk worker, they get to speak to a manager / higher level support person. Is his actual problem any more real / difficult to solve than the person who contains their frustration and treats the employees with respect? Who would you rather have as a customer?

    That all said, there is a good use for this technology. Detect where in your phone tree people seem to be getting angry. Log that and analyse that for future use. If there are consistent places in the tree that people get frustrated with, you know where to focus your redesign efforts to make it better. Of course, you may see the anger develop two or more steps down the tree from the unclear question that causes the pissed-offedness. It'd probably take some careful analysis / research to really use this effectively.
  • Way to go! (Score:3, Funny)

    by jarran ( 91204 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:48AM (#8238792)
    Fantastic! Lets deal with angry customers by rewarding the ones who are openly abusive, and therefore punishing those who are patient and calm.

    The people working in the call centres are really going to thank them for that.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:49AM (#8238793)
    I buy a lot of stuff on the web. So, every once in a while, a company will screw up. In pursuing a remedy, I always start out pleasant and accomodating. But once they start in with typical incompentent customer service behaviour, like responding to an email with questions that were already answered in the original email, I start to respond with full-scale profanity and insults. Inevitably the profanity gets good results and usually very quickly.

    In my opinion this is the stupidest way to run customer service. It encourages customers to mistreat your employees. The good companies never let the problem get to the point where profanity is needed, but I am, quite frankly, surprised at the number of companies that have such poor customer service organizations that the profanity route becomes mandatory.

    By the way, I discovered this method one day after going round and round and round with a company so many times that I was completely hopeless. So I decided to vent a little steam, figuring that I was never going to get things fixed anyways and that any self-respecting person would just cut off correspondence once the profanity started. Man, was I surprised at how quickly they jumped to fix things after that, completely the opposite of what I had expected.
    • by Agent Green ( 231202 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @02:33PM (#8240802)
      Having worked in customer service for some time, I have a difficult time getting too angry at them. I usually preface things with "You're not paid well enough for me to be angry with you. Let me talk to your manager." Then I unload.

      The problem itself isn't with the front lines, but with the resources they are given to solve a customer's problem.

      When customers swear at me, I tell them that I am treating them in a professional manner and that I expect them to do so in kind. Otherwise I hang up. One company I worked for had a customer advocacy department, and if a customer got too hot, everything would need to go through the advocate...after all, that's part of what they were paid for.
  • by s.d. ( 33767 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:49AM (#8238799)

    "For the call center it is frustration -- you don't want to lose the customer because they are becoming frustrated."

    i understand that they want to use the automated systems as much as possible to take the load off of people, but if they are finding that the systems are causing so much frustration that they need to guage the amount of frustration in a person's voice in order to potentially keep them as a customer, then there's obviously flaws in the system already, and perhaps super crazy automated phone systems isn't a great customer service idea to begin with.

  • by fishbowl ( 7759 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:50AM (#8238814)
    I tried to report dead birds to my state health department. They didn't care. They *so* didn't care. I don't think the functionary even looked up from her novel while she told me on the phone that they do not take reports of dead birds.

    Now, I know from numerous public service announcements that, not only is the department supposed to take reports of dead birds, but I am required to make them. So I called the Federal CDC, to find out what was up. Naturally they directed me right back to the same State department that dismissed me earlier. I managed to complain my way up the ladder until I reached someone who at least could tell me *why* they don't take reports (legislature pulled their funding.)

    So maybe West Nile Virus will break out in my area, and I will be able to go to DC with the names of the individuals who couldn't be bothered to take reports of dead birds...
  • by your_mother_sews_soc ( 528221 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @11:56AM (#8238922)
    Two weeks ago I made several calls to the automated Sears Appliance Repair system. I was trying desperately to cancel a service call I had requested. The first time I called I wandered through the maze of "Yes" and "Service Repair" and "Cancel" options only to be put on hold for 10 minutes and then be disconnected.

    During the second call I lost my cool and started yelling at the damn thing. My wife came in and wondered what the hell I was doing. I was getting madder and madder. "YES!" "YES!" I SAID YES, DAMMIT!" When I finally got to the point of screaming "YES, BITCH!" the freaking thing said something to the effect of "You have selected 'Cancel' - Thank you" and hung up.

    On the third call I was hotter than ever, but made sure I didn't call it a bitch.

    FED-EX, on the other hand, immediately defaults to a live person on its system if it doesn't understand something. A much more gratifying experience.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      I had a nearly identical experience with AT&T Wireless a couple months back. While calling to report a stolen phone, I had to say "operator" about 4 or 5 times before the thing would give up and connect me to a live person. 20 minutes later, when the live person tried to pick up, my call got disconnected. I immediately called back and asked the computer to "connect me to a f*cking operator!" when it gave me the usual list of options. The computer's response was to give me some error message about my
  • TDD users? (Score:3, Funny)

    by billn ( 5184 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:01PM (#8238984) Homepage Journal

    User: Hi, we'll be calling tech support today, I'm having difficulty with my internet.
    Operator: Dialing now, just a moment.
    User: Thanks.
    Operator: Automated menu, 1 for customer support, 2 for accounting, 3 for collections
    User: SHIT! SHIT WHORE!
    Operator: Sorry?
    User: Say that. It'll transfer you faster.
    Operator: If I say that, my boss will transfer me faster.
    User: Seriously, just swear at it.
    Operator: No.
    User: C'mon, if you don't we'll both be on hold forever.
    Operator: I'm not going to swear at it.
    User: Say, what are you wearing?
    Operator: What?!
    User: That's the spirit, let's continue. Gimme a good 'ASSFACE BUTTLICKER' so we can get to a tech.
    Operator: There's something wrong with you.
    User: Are you making fun of me because I'm deaf?
    Operator: What? No, not at all.
    User: You are, aren't you?
    Operator: No, I didn't mean it that way.
    User: Like I don't get enough crap from everyone else, now I'm being mocked by a bloody TDD operator.
    Operator: Sir, I didn't mean it that way, I swear.
    User: I'll forgive you if you say "PIECE OF SHIT, HURRY UP"
    Operator: Dammit, no, I'm not gonna.. oh, it's transferring me.
    User: What did you say?
    Operator: Nevermind.
  • Just do what I do (Score:5, Informative)

    by SupahVee ( 146778 ) <superv@NOSPAm.mischievousgeeks.net> on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:27PM (#8239318) Journal
    When you get into a VRU system, keep in mind that a human HAD to set the thing up, and always left a way for themselves to speak with a rep if needed (i.e. testing). So, when you get in, start pushing buttons, a lot of them, especially the * and #, as those will frequently be used for escape sequences. The default action for a majority of systems that do this is to immediately route you to an operator, an operator who has internal extensions. THen just act like you got a bit lost during the 4,3,6,1,8,9.... and ask politely for whatever dept you're trying to get, and ask for an extension in case you have to call back. Works roughly 85% of the time for me. :-D

  • (click)

    "FBI, are you aware of what you said?"

    "Ah, I just wanted my DSL to work, and they said to wait three weeks."

    "You threatened to blow the place. That's a violation of federal law."

    "I was just upset."

    "You know that Mr. Ashcroft will do anything to protect the assets of those who invest in the United States"

    "But, why should I have to wait three weeks for service."

    "Sloppy service does not give you the right to threaten American investors.."

    whir of sirens...

  • by rongage ( 237813 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:41PM (#8239507)
    What I would like to see is a way to route my calls to someone who actually speaks English as a FIRST language.
  • Worthless software (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pelsmith ( 308845 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:46PM (#8239574)
    This is the most worthless software I have ever heard of.

    The purpose of the automated calling procedures is to save money, not to connect callers with tech support.

    What Pointy Haired Boss would ever buy this? It's a waste of valuable capital (from the perspective of the almighty immediate dollar).
  • The fatal flaw (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JustAnotherReader ( 470464 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @12:58PM (#8239734)
    For this to work, the company providing the tech support has to give a damn about customer service. If they cared about customer service they wouldn't be outsourcing the phone support to India and the Phillipines. If they cared about customer support they would actually "support the customer

    Here's a true example from my life last week:

    • Register.com has put a lock on my domain and will not change my WHOIS informatin and will not unlock it so I can move to a different registrar. My domain register fees are paid up until March of 2005.
    • I call Register.com. They say they have no account data on me because I registered via a 3rd party. I have to call my hosting company.
    • I call my hosting company. They attempt to make the changes through their partners channel with Register.com. Register.com refuses to change the information or to unlock the domain.
    • I call Register.com again. They say they can't/won't help me and to email their partner channel email.
    • I email the partner channel and they say I have to go through my hosting company to make those changes.
    • I go back to my hosting company and provide them with the email from Register.com in a hope that they could use that as evidence to make Register.com do their damn job!
    • Register.com refuses to make the change.
    Is this the way to impress you customers? What good will cussing them out do if they don't give a damn whether they help you or not? No, this scheme will only work if the company in question actually cares about customer service. Most companies see customer service as a cost center.
  • no thanks. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @01:55PM (#8240343)
    I used to have a very lengthy voicemail message (about 2 minutes and 50 seconds). It explained, in detail, every single last question someone could want answered. If they did have some other question it was likely that they didn't belong calling my department or they were confused but there was still an option to leave a voicemail and I would return the call... Using this method I had limited myself to 5 or less voicemails a day since July 2003 (I would receive anywhere between 80 and 100 calls a day)...

    Now. Just last week I had to remove this message and shorten it to under a minute because some asshole complained that he did not want to wait that long for the message (and he wasn't bright enough to try * or # which nearly all voicemail systems respond to to skip the message). I was first asked to put the disclaimer that you can skip the message w/the * key... Whoever thought that up was a moron. You NEVER tell someone how to skip it or the point of the voicemail message is moot.

    Phone trees are apparently never checked thoroughly. They need to be tested 100s of times by different people to make sure that no matter what a call is routed to the right place. My voicemail message was corrected 5 or 6 times to make sure that it was working 100% and that no questions would be left unanswered.

    Amazingly enough no one was happy except me.

    Sad world we live in.
  • by Thurn und Taxis ( 411165 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @01:59PM (#8240405) Homepage
    When I was doing tech support, I was told that whenever a customer swore at me, I was to reply, "Sir (or Ma'am), please call back when you can control your language," and hang up. Boy, angry people get REALLY mad when you call them "Sir (or Ma'am)"!
  • Yay! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @02:49PM (#8240968) Homepage Journal
    Back when I was working phone support, I used to delight in telling those assholes that they needed to format their hard drives. A system like this would have greatly improved my job satisfaction and performance numbers, since every call would have been an FFR (Fdisk-Format-Reinstall.) Not gonna bust my ass if the customer's a dick...
  • by Dracos ( 107777 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @02:53PM (#8241013)

    Shouldn't the need for this tell companies that real people want to talk other real people when they use the phone?

  • by mabu ( 178417 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @02:54PM (#8241027)
    One problem is that people are becoming more passive-aggressive and non-confrontational. Part of the whole corporate customer-support business model is based around making it as inconvenient as possible to seek help. Gone are the days when a support 800 number was available, much less obvious.

    Admittedly, people are getting dumber and have shorter attention spans than ever, and the new customer support business model exploits that by making it very difficult to get help. Customers are treated with apathy and disrespect from the moment they make contact nowadays.

    The only way to fight back is to FIGHT BACK.

    I hate to say it, but every time I've not censored my opinion on an issue, I get things resolved.

    Here are some suggestions:

    1. Always ask for the person's name you're speaking with - immediately. This puts them on the defensive and makes them behave a little better.

    2. In most cases, you should NEVER deal with tier-one support. Immediately ask to be "escalated" - the first tiers are morons whose main job is to make you feel guilty you called in the first place and get you off the line ASAP.

    3. Still having problems? Contact the PRESIDENT of the company or the highest accessible executive. You will be AMAZED how quickly you can get a problem resolved. A friend of mine had a billing problem with a local ISP/telco. He sat outside the president's office -- until he came out and was forced to field my friend's issue. The President assigned a special assistant to my friend to deal with the problem and made it go away fast. I'm sure the President said to his assistant, "Do whatever you have to do, but I don't want to see these people again." - and it worked!

    I also like to remind them that hell hath no fury like a pissed off customer, that you'll write letters, put up a web page, or other things. In the past, I got a $17,000 settlement against a company after I put up a web page addressing the problems I had. While some companies don't give a damn, others do, and in several circumstances I've made it clear that if they don't resolve my problem, I'll shout about it from the rooftops and it'll cost them a thousand times my loss in bad PR for them.

    Speaking of problems, I recently got ripped off from a company called Big Impressions [big-impressions.biz] out of Arkansas. I highly recommend you avoid these sleazebags.
  • by r_j_prahad ( 309298 ) <r_j_prahadNO@SPAMhotmail.com> on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @05:28PM (#8242822)
    With initial tryouts scheduled to take place at Parris Island, SC., right?
  • by bryan1945 ( 301828 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2004 @12:19AM (#8245976) Journal
    I am so going to rip you b**** off that your scank of a s*** girl is going to (bleeP) on her (bleep) and then (bleepin) (bleep) (bleepoid).

    Booga ya dooga mig na toot!

    Tech: "How may I help you?"
    Me: "Where's the ANY key?"
    Tech: (Booya dubba hooba eagh!) ....click....

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