iPod Mini Worldwide Rollout Delayed 614
A user writes "Apparently those 4-gig, $249 little buggers are selling faster than anyone expected.... So fast that the original April rollout worldwide has been delayed till July to keep up with the demand in the states and to get enough in production to meet worldwide sales. Given that there where 100,000 pre-orders alone, does this mean that yet again Apple hit on a niche that no one else (including me) thought would sell. I have been hearing a lot of rumors that the biggest buyer of the iPod mini has in fact been those female tech geeks out there. So much for the idea a $249 4-gig iPod was a mistake." Rob Glaser of RealNetworks, though, claims that not opening the iPod (big or small) to other formats is a real mistake; he wants to see iPod support other proprietary formats (like, say, Real's).
Yeah.. right.. (Score:4, Funny)
100,000 pre-orders alone [...] the biggest buyer of the iPod mini has in fact been those female tech geeks out there
Ha ha ha! Next they'll be telling us about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus buying them.
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:5, Insightful)
now for the RvB quote:
"didnt i just tell you to stop makin up ficticous animals?"
later...
"so, unless anybody has any other names for it, we'll call it the warthog....chipathangy, how bout that? i like it...got a ring to it."
Why women would adopt it first... (Score:5, Insightful)
That really is the key - the primary buyer of the iPod is not buying it for fashion (for what piece of electronics is really fashionable to the level of clothing or accessories) but instead for the practical features it offers to deliver portable music to the user as easily as possible. People keep scoffing at the possible sucess of the iPod because they misunderatand this very key point - as long as you continue to believe people buy an iPod for reasons of apperance you will also continue to be suprised at any sucess they attain in any form because you misunderstand the core of what makes them desireable.
Re:Why women would adopt it first... (Score:3, Insightful)
Comparison not nessicarily needed (Score:4, Interesting)
the wheel thing is very cool and functionality is a high point. i just dont think people get an iPod because they played with the alternatives and it worked the best.
The thing is that you can play with them and know that the work really well, without even having used a different model - they work well enough to convince you they would be usable in daily life. That's why I think that functionality may still be a primary reason for choosing them. It would be really interesting to see some kind of breakdown about how many people had had contact with one before buying them as that would go a long way to prove or disprove the theory. My theory comes about from hearing a lot of people relate stories about buying them after playing with one, and seeing people react to them at Apple stores (they show only casual interest as they pick them up, but get really into them when they start using it).
Re:Why women would adopt it first... (Score:5, Interesting)
What crack are you smoking and where can I get me some?
I got an iPod because scrolling through lists on dpads sucks ass. As soon as I walked into that apple store and touched that wheel I knew that navigating through my MP3 collection wouldn't suck. And then I paid for a 20GB iPod in cash, in full.
Gotta throw in my $.02 (Score:4, Interesting)
She oohed and aahed that thing for quite a while (playing with it the whole time) and then asked one of the silliest questions I'd ever heard.
"Is it easy to use?"
My only response... "You tell me. You're using it right now."
She's since bought her own pink iPod Mini.
fs
Re:Why women would adopt it first... (Score:4, Interesting)
She'd considered buying the larger ones and dealing with the weight, but when they announced the mini, she saved her cash and ordered it for her birthday.
For her, it was the weight, not the cost. It was equivalent to her purchase of the smaller MP3 player, which is the point most people are missing.
Oh, and she bought the silver, not the colors. Though she wishes now she'd kinda bought one of the colored ones.
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:5, Funny)
Crap, now 13 year old kids are buying stuff I've been putting off as 'too expensive'. I gotta get myself a piece of this lucrative babysitting racket...
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:4, Informative)
I'm 13 and I'm already reselling for a webhost (not joking, but only to geeky friends at the moment), not to mention the lead Jazilla developer + a whole lot of other stuff.
I refuse to disclose my financial status except to say that I'm in the black and don't have any debt to anybody
You can believe me or not believe me on this one..
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:5, Funny)
Are you kidding? Have you ever seen the average woman's handbag? I've seen smaller European cars.
Re:Yeah.. right..(ob RvB quote) (Score:4, Funny)
Agreed. Luckily, I don't have that problem. ;)
Re:Yeah.. right.. (Score:3, Funny)
Two points of view (Score:5, Funny)
Rest of the world: We don't give a flying fuck!
Re:Yeah.. right.. (Score:5, Insightful)
"100,000 pre-orders alone [...] the biggest buyer of the iPod mini has in fact been those female tech geeks out there"
I totally deplore this statement... it reeks of macho sexism especially that the poster states that the price is a mistake... what are you saying about female tech geeks... you're implicitly, though obviously, suggesting they're idiots! idiots en masse... no wonder that this male geek crowd has a reputation of being unattractive to females, especially with such attitude!....
The ipod, and even more the ipod mini, is no longer a "GEEK" product... it's a mass market and mass popular culture product now... in fact, it probably never was a intended by apple as a geek product, considering their efforts to make it easy to use... Recently, a British tabloid had a feature about the falling dollar and how much cheaper it is now to shop from the US for UK consumers... they used 3 products as an example; the first was the levi's 501, which is the classic example that as far back as i can remember has always been used as the yardstick for sure features, the second product was apple's ipod!... like it or not, apple's ipod now has the mass recognition that levi's 501 has... not a geek product, it's a popular culture product!
It's apparent... (Score:5, Funny)
Tim
Re:It's apparent... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's apparent... (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, it's too bad. I hear it's because they couldn't get the "Message Center" to work correctly.
Chill out (Score:3, Insightful)
as funny
lay off the coffee for a while
and relax.
Re:It's apparent... (Score:4, Funny)
Ya! It's almost as if they're somewhat beleaguered.
Re:It's apparent... (Score:5, Funny)
What's going on? They are selling like hot cakes! Tis what's going on! Delays cause they sell more then expected, Botched Rollout by selling more then you can produce? I say that Apple's really pissed about that. I bet they even fired everyone that worked on such a flop. It's horrable! This is the death hit for Apple! Apple is DEAD! Whee!
and yes, that last bit is called scarcasm...
Size Doesn't Matter? (Score:5, Funny)
"No, give me the smaller one"
Re:Size Doesn't Matter? (Score:5, Funny)
Heh, first time I've heard that one. Funny that it's the female demographic too...
"No, give me the smaller one"
Actually, that makes perfect sense. It's male buyers that seem to be obsessed with buying the biggest model available.
"Gimme the Yukon! With the HEMI! Grunt! Grunt! Five miles to the gallon? Fuck it, gimme it anyway! Grunt! Grunt! Gimme a bigger one!"
The irony of course, is that the bigger truck actually makes their penis look smaller in comparison. If they feel inferior in that regard, they should be buying a Geo Metro instead.
"Look at my penis next to this Metro! It's enormous!!!"
Re:Size Doesn't Matter? (Score:5, Funny)
Guy sees some giant man railin' a porn star, he thinks "damn, she's getting it good. look at the size of that thing! this guy's a sexual demon."
Girl sees the same scene and thinks, "wow, I'll bet that really hurts. he's pushing right into her bladder, and there's hardly any contact with the clitoris at all."
Of course, if they made porn for women, it'd be 45 minutes of foreplay followed by the man taking the garbage to the curb.
Re:Size Doesn't Matter? (Score:5, Funny)
They do make porn for women. It's called 'The Shopping Channel'.
Re:Size Doesn't Matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes I have, and I've never seen a woman with a 17" PowerBook.
Re:Penis comparison (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sure Real thinks its a Real blunder... (Score:5, Insightful)
That combined with their other losses these last couple of weeks, I just suspect the statement was made to make it sound like they are still a contender.
Ted
Supporting other formats. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Supporting other formats. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Supporting other formats. (Score:3, Insightful)
So much for Slashdot wisdom (Score:4, Funny)
Whatever.
Re:So much for Slashdot wisdom (Score:3, Funny)
DOOOMED!
Re:So much for Slashdot wisdom (Score:5, Insightful)
Suggestions from Real... great... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I'm bitter about Real.
Re:Suggestions from Real... great... (Score:5, Funny)
No, I am. And I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to masquerade as me.
It's hard to say whether "it's a mistake". (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:5, Insightful)
And they were 100% dead wrong. Why? Because the iPod Mini isn't aimed at the tech-savy
The lesson here: Don't predict the market based solely on your preferences.
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:4, Insightful)
By the way, I have a 10 gigger and I have a little over 2 gigs on the sucker, even after a year or so of ownership. Saying 4 gigs isn't enough is a little dumb if you ask me.
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:5, Informative)
But what Apple knew that the pundits did not is that the iPod is only incidentally a hard disk--it's a music player. So to the average consumer, the reaction was, "A smaller, more convenient iPod, and cheaper to boot? Where do I sign up?" Lower capacity was for most a minor concern, because even the mini holds more than enough music for most activities.
As for support other formats, why bother? Just think of the support headache. When instead they could invest the same amount of effort into improving and promoting the iTunes store. Besides, once people start buying their tunes elsewhere, they might start thinking that they could just as well have one of those clone players. Apple already supports the most common open format, so if people don't want to go with Apple's store and format, they can always order the CDs used from Amazon and rip them to mp3.
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:5, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:3, Funny)
I guess this is the part where I call you an insensitive clod.
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:3, Informative)
Bah, that'll get you a +5 insightful. ;)
-T
Re:There's a lot of crow sandwiches around here. (Score:4, Insightful)
Slap iPod on ANYTHING and it'll sell... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Slap iPod on ANYTHING and it'll sell... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm sure someone will point out that it doesn't hold all 7GB of my music. Well, . . . , I
Re:Slap iPod on ANYTHING and it'll sell... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think so. I looked around a lot for different mp3 players, but I could find none with the same quality, reliability, and small size as the mini. I'm a cross country runner, so I wanted an mp3 player as small as possible, but I also wanted more than a few hundred megs of storage. Today I went on an 8 mile run (on a treadmill) and dropped the mini twice (I was just tired and it slipped out of my hand). Twice it hit the treadmill, twice it was shot back against the wall behind me. It didn't skip at all and it escaped with no marks whatsoever. I doubt most players could handle the same beating.
Re:Slap iPod on ANYTHING and it'll sell... (Score:3, Informative)
No Sh*t, I'm Surprised Too (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No Sh*t, I'm Surprised Too [OT] (Score:3)
Everybody? Hwah? (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude, lots of people thought it was a good idea. True, the majority of people on Slashdot thought it was a bad idea, but Slashdot is hardly representative of everybody.
Way to spin the issue, though--it wasn't a sound business decision built from careful research and experience, it was Yet Another Example of (beleaguered) Apple somehow succeeding with a dubious product...
Re:Everybody? Hwah? (Score:4, Insightful)
Again, you're looking at a pretty small cross-section of the consumer audience--people who frequent/run geek tech sites. (The audience at Mac news sites, after all, is not that different demographically from Slashdot--primarily comprised of tech-oriented, male geeks.) While the tech-oriented crowd was indeed screaming about the cost to capacity ratio, plenty of people were swooning over it's compact form factor, it's styling, even the freakin' colors! The iPod mini was never meant to appeal to case-modders and DIY geeks. The iPod mini was designed to appeal to the same crowd that buys ultra-compact, color-screen, flip-lid camera phones. Apple knew that this was a big market from the start, as did a lot of other people.
The tech-geek conventional wisdom was blindsided by the iPod's success because the tech-geek conventional wisdom failed to understand that other people buy digital gadgets, too!
Apple continues to defy the odds (Score:4, Interesting)
What got me to buy an iPod was the almost sensual way it felt, the intuitive way it operates and the "cool" factor which is worth a lot to me.
Of course, I wouldn't go near it until the PC interface came out and I still wish it supported more formats. I know most of the
I think secretly I like seeing the Apple logo on my desk full of functional PC crap.
M
In Other News.... (Score:5, Funny)
In other news, The head of GM thinks that Germany's Porsche should install Chevrolet LT1 engines in the new 911. "It'll give them a chance to reach a larger audience with that car." a spokesman for the company said.
Uh-huh (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, that's because Apple was on its way to the bank. Laughing, I might add.
-Carolyn
Apple sold two yesterday (Score:5, Interesting)
Think of it as a bigger little MP3 player (Score:5, Insightful)
The miniature MP3 players, usually topping out at 256MB or 512MB due to the price of CF/SD cards, sell to a broader audience than the bigger jukeboxes. Even the bigger iPod is a bulky thing to carry around. The clones tend to be even bigger.
The one thing that Apple has gotten right over the years is ergonomics and human interface: the iPods -- like the iMac -- are small, easy to use (which prompts some to call them crippled), few options to confuse (do I need AFLAC? [no, that's that insurance with the duck] What's an Ogg?), and they're smooth: soothing on the eye, and easy on the fabric of the pocket, if not the wallet.
Can we also open up the iPod... (Score:5, Funny)
And while we're at it, can we give an iPod a wireless interface and GPS so that it can report to RealNetworks exactly where you've been going and what you've been doing while you've been carrying the thing around.
You wish! (Score:3, Funny)
Rob Glaser of RealNetworks claims that not opening the iPod to other formats is a real mistake. "I can't run .RM files on iPod. What is this, the Soviet Union ?"
Bill Gates of Microsoft claims that not opening emacs to other formats is a real mistake. "I can't edit .DOC files on emacs. What is this, the Soviet Union ?"
Howard Stern of Loudmouth Inc claims not opening the airwaves on ClearChannel is a real mistake. "I can't say F*** on radio ! What is this, the Soviet Union ?"
Janet Jackson of Boob Inc. claims not opening her bra on public television is a real mistake. "I can't expose my nipples ! What is this, the Soviet Union ?"
Typo (Score:5, Funny)
Ummmm... shouldn't that be RealMistake(tm)? ;)
Real reason? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Real reason? (Score:3, Informative)
From TFA (which you presumably have not read): '"We're actually consuming just about all the 4GB, one-inch drives they make. As they make more, we'll get more," said Mr Joswiak.'
Supported formats (Score:5, Informative)
AAC (16 to 320 Kbps) with or without Fairplay DRM, MP3 (32 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible, AIFF and WAV [apple.com]
How many portable players support RealNetworks formats?
Geeks are geeks not marketers. (Score:5, Informative)
Even though "marketing" is a dread-word around here, Apple seems to have a really good marketing department to me. They get it right quite often.
Remember, marketing does not just reffer to the selling process of a given item, but also the process by which you conduct research into a given area to determine if there really is a market after all. It is important to check to see if the market is there by research, because what you can divine just by intuition is often wrong for marketing.
A very interesting read (even if you are a computer only type geek) on marketing is:
The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing [amazon.com]
It covers things like how Listerine was the market leader for mouthwash - because everyone wanted to keep their mouth free from germs - and the medicie taste was irrelevant... Enter Scope, with better tasting mouthwash for "fresh breath" not germ killing so much, and now Scope is #1 in the market - Listerine #2.
I have an ipod mini. And a big one, too. (Score:3, Insightful)
I keep my thrid-generation 30 gig at home most of the time, connected to my stereo, because I have put all my CDs in storage. Meanwhile, on my daily commute, I carry the mini - 4 gig is plenty of songs for an hour a day! And the tininess makes a huge difference, plus the new "click wheel" is, for me, the ideal controller. When I travel, the big one comes with me - more music, plus a FW HD. But for quick trips around town, the mini beats it hands down - and the big one (I realize it's demented to call the regular size big, but that's how it feels, now) can be home, serving as my music library.
Now, of course not everyone buying the mini has both, but I bet there are a fair number. And for those who choose only a mini, well, the tiny size and great interface are powerful draws - and many people think 1000 songs at a time is plenty!
Damn its cuteness factor (Score:5, Funny)
Being a female tech geek myself, I was with you all when I thought the the mini was an idiotic concept priced for failure.
But then they started putting these ads in the InStyle magazine (girly fashion mag touting the latest styles out there). The ad was two facing pages with postcard pop-ups of paper iPod Minis to actual size, one of each color. Damn it if it didn't look as nice as some of those cute little handbags in the same price range a few pages away.
I still didn't get it, but I swear, if they slap a little Hello Kitty on it, I may have to cave in to the cuteness factor.
Falling on Deaf Ears (Score:5, Insightful)
The beauty (to me, the consumer) of FairPlay DRM is that every track bought from the iTunes Store comes with the same rights. I don't have to wonder what I can do with my purchases, or read any fine print. I like that. I doubt I'll ever buy off of another online store, because it's a problem I don't need... unless someone else starts selling FairPlay AAC files or standard un-mangled files.
Yeah, the IPod may be popular.... (Score:5, Funny)
Oh yeah, and you can only play one song at a time.
I thought it was a great idea (Score:3, Insightful)
A lot of people i know who have mp3 portables use them exclusively for the gym, so Apple probably did a little bit of market research and found that a smaller device would be a hit among active people and women. For most people, the 4GB size limitation is not an issue. Remember, most of these active people are using 128mb flash players. The only big issue is the $250 price tag. Apparently apple priced it right, otherwise the device wouldn't be selling that well.
Anecdote - female roommate (Score:5, Informative)
She seemed surprisingly disappointed when I said it only came in white.
Apple's done their market research on this one, folks.
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, but did you have multiple iPods?
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Since 1999 Apple has operated on this principle. It's been working fairly well too. iMac...iBook...Cube...
Less for more.
The G3, G4, and G5 Towers have retained a good bang to buck ratio, but their "consumer" and "eye-candy" machines have become cash sinks.
LK
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:why female geeks ? (Score:5, Funny)
And a lot of the stereotypical female geeks look like males.
Re:PDA (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:PDA (Score:5, Informative)
So where is it that you buy a PocketPC and equip it with 4GB of memory for less than $250? Maybe you were thinking of the "big" iPod? Can you buy 40GB of RAM for your PocketPC for less than $500?
mp3 music can be imperfect, but it's better than the movies that you'll be playing on your pda...
Re:PDA (Score:3, Informative)
Not only that, since DVD to PocketPC uses Windows Media encoder to do the conversion, it tur
Re:PDA (Score:3, Informative)
I sold it because:
1) PDA memory is slowww. And switching tracks was slowww. The interfaces were slowww. Copying to the memory card, even over USB 2.0, was so slowww I coudn't take it! Copying 30 gig to the iPod took less than ten minutes.
2) PDAs are hard to control one handed or while in motion. I kept screwing it up while running at the gym. Plus I looked stupid, tapping at a pda in a leather case with a plastic stick while running in a circle.
3) PDAs a
Re:PDA (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple has had the same strategy for several years now. While it may be cool to have a PocketPC, it is WAY COOLER to have an iPod. The PocketPC is cold and unfeeling, while the iPod has had exceptional marketing exposure... And it seems to be working.
The reason (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple knows that specs aren't enough--you have to design a friendly, pleasant, usable device that also looks pretty damned cool. They make it fun.
OSS people hate that because they consider it the forte of "marketing" which is the forte of the proprietary companies they rival against. But Apple has it right. It's like people who design cars, they make the interiors look great. It's
Re:PDA (Score:5, Funny)
Re:PDA (Score:3, Informative)
So yes, its great for listening to music, but it can do more!
Should note I'm talking about the iPod, not iPod mini -don't know how it stacks up feature-wise.
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
Because MacRumors is, by name and nature, a rumors site.
Slashdot only published hard news.
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't even know where to start with that one.
Re:Women of geekdom (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Women of geekdom (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Reality Distortion! (Score:3, Insightful)
I read that whole page, and how do you get anything about them funding the project from a criminal act? They did build a "blue box" which was probably a little illegal. But they didn't make any money off of it, nor fund the company... The biggest thing I see on that page is that Steve Jobs gave Woz a hard time for coming in to work late... Get a clue, and stop bashing Jobs and Apple for no reason.
Re:Are we making money yet? (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you're a troll but... how many times since 1998 has Apple NOT reported a profit? They're one of the only tech companies that actually make money in this ruined economy.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Any /. readers actually buy one? (Score:4, Insightful)
The 5 GB I sold to a friend when my 10 GB arrived. It, then, was given to a closer friend when my 20 GB arrived. That one I traded to a co-worker in exchange for a handmade weaving when my 30 GB arrived. That went on loan to yet another pal when the 40 GB arrived. I'm sure I'll dispose of that somehow when the next-gens arrive. And now, the mini.
So I guess I misspoke -- I never had a 15 GB model. If memory serves, they were initially released when the 20 GBs were so I skipped that particular capacity.
Having had all those iPods, I feel qualified to assert that while the touchpad wheel was a great idea, the touchpad buttons arranged in a row above the wheel was categorically NOT. It's very difficult to find a button in the dark when the "by feel" method will take you off to the hinterlands depending on which button happens to feel a finger first. I absolutely worship the clicking touchwheel on the mini and I will be stunned if that doesn't adorn all future iPod models.
Oh, and I find that with each new release bringing additional features (clocks, games, contacts, etc) the iPod software is more likely to lock up and require a forced reset. Battery life is also declining more than the reduced size would indicate. I loves me some iPod but contrary to popular opinion each new model is _less_ than the one that preceded it.
Re:Any /. readers actually buy one? (Score:3, Interesting)
The mini I bought because I was curious about the size/weight/capacity combination. Did Apple have another smash hit on its hands or had they come up with the puck-mouse of music players? Based on the article we're yammering about, a lot of people agree with my assessment of "the former".
It's
Re:Shallow (Score:3, Insightful)
You bought the Karma because you thought that it was superior - just like I bought a Neuros for the same reason. I'm not broken up because iPods are selling like crazy and Neuroses are not. DI sells enough of them to stay in business and keep developing the product. Same with Rio (or whatever the company du jour is now).
At the risk of torturing an analogy t
Reality... (Score:3, Interesting)
At the end of the day its about marketing and to a lesser degree, features. Having a wife I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Apple marketing team gets gadget sex appeal. They make a well branded easy to use, nearly cuddly product and they even throw in some good engineering and software design to boot. When my wife see's this its going to go directl
Re:why? (Score:4, Interesting)