Japanese Cell Phones Offer a Glimpse of the Future 313
Dynamoo writes "Vodafone K.K. have announced a new range of phones, available exclusively in Japan which easily beat everything else in terms of features. In particular, two phones from Sharp, the V402SH and V602SH between them boast a TV tuner, camera with optical zoom, virtual karaoke machine and dog bark translater (woof woof), according to this review. Perhaps some features are more useful than others, but with a bit of luck we'll see these features in worldwide mobiles sometime in 2005. In the meantime I guess I'll just have to learn to speak dog by myself."
Hmm... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Interesting)
Personally, I think a klingon translator would be more useful...
In my eyes, cell phones are starting to follow the path much like ICQ. They originally started out simple and functional...then it turned into a race to see how many useless features could be packed into it--rendering it mostly useless.
Re:Hmm... (Score:3, Interesting)
I am a simple person with simple tastes.
1) I want a phone that works like a phone should work. No games, no internet, no walkie-talkie functions, and no stinkin' roaming or overage fees. An easy to use directory would be nice, though.
2) I want this same phone to look exactly like the communicators on ST:TOS. Voice recognition, too, so when I say "Kirk to Enterprise" or "Kirk to Starbase 1" it dials the programmed number.
Really, is that asking too much?
Do we need these features? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:5, Insightful)
You and I, it would appear not. The general, cellphone-buying market? Maybe.
It has seemed to me for a while that cellphones are really trying to be PDAs. But then if you want a device that does everything that a PDA can do..........why not just buy a freakin' PDA? And if you want a portable computer..........why not just buy a freakin' PDA?
I want a cellphone that I can walk around with, and that goes bring bring hello. Cellular. Phone. If I'd wanted a PDA, I'd have bought one.
However, kids and city boy executives with shiny suits, who are, let's face it, the main market sector buying new phones, seem to want the latest, greatest, smartest, flashiest, most function-packed portable computers. And if there's demand for it, then cellphone manufacturers will make it. It's just a shame as far as I'm concerned that I have to buy some bloated device full of functions I'll never use and will chew up battery power at the rate of a small fish-gutting farm.
I know, if I want something that just goes bring bring hello, I could just carry a Soviet brick around with me. Unfortunately the last time I tried my soviet brick on my network it seemed to fall off regularly. That and the fact that my pockets aren't made of high-tensile reinforced nanofibres to carry the extreme weight
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:4, Insightful)
Because a PDA, while useful, is bulky and an additional gadget to carry around - if your going to carry a PDA, it might as well have an inbuilt phone.
The current crop of "smart phones" are too big, however a few more years of minituarisation and we'll see cheap phones with good battery life and the regular PDA features such as calendar, internet access, decent addressbook, mp3 player, java VM, email client etc. in a form factor around that of today's regular phones.
The tech is not quite ready yet, but I predict that within ten years, nearly everyone will be carrying a tiny phone-come-PDA with an inbuilt camera.
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:2)
you don't need to wait a few years. pretty much every thing you listed is in my old-ass docomo phone and it's older than sand. i don't think it's the waiting but rather, damn, why does cellphone technology suck so bad in the US (it's more
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:3, Interesting)
Besides you can't really blame Clinton that Japan has their own mobile phone system. They are actually worse than the american system because they have multiple phone systems
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:2)
Except for mp3 player (well technically it can play MP3 type files, but the storage space is limited to the sim card) and address book, my phone does all that. And it also has a built in c
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:2)
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:3, Insightful)
Practical Features: (Score:3, Insightful)
1) A LED flashlight. So handy, so simple.
2) Built-in usb plug letting it operate as a combination modem and flash drive. Of the generic variety, so you don't need to install special software to use it as such.
3) AM/FM/Weather radio. Keep up with news and sports.
4) Civilian band walkie talkie. Generic analog or smarter digital, with encryption. If it can use bluetooth, it is already capable of using the right frequencies.
Please add
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Less is More (Score:2)
However, I do want a Nokia 6820 [nokia.com] if they are ever available for Cingular GSM service.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:2)
Re:Do we need these features? (Score:2)
Sorry, it had to be said.
dog bark translater (Score:5, Funny)
Re:dog bark translater (Score:2)
I can honestly say... (Score:5, Insightful)
a) doesn't sound like crap
b) lasts a few days on a charge
c) functions as a bluetooth access point for my PDA/Laptop
d) doesn't cost more than $150
Re:I can honestly say... (Score:2, Funny)
Another useful (offtopic) thing about strip clubs: give the girls $2 bills; it's dark and they'll mistake them for $20's.
Re:I can honestly say... (Score:2)
Too many supposedly educated people treat women like mysterious, illogical animals that can be controlled with the right phrases, gestures, or chemicals. When they can't get a women to sleep with them after dressing nice and buying one dinner, they decide that women must not enjoy sex (after all, logic states that if they
Re:I can honestly say... (Score:2)
you say this because you havn't seen it (Score:4, Interesting)
it also comes with 2mpix digital camera, which, coupled with the screen, is a very nice treat.
the phone isn't too expensive when you factor in the various contract-length discounts. It comes out to be less than 200USD for the top of line vodafone has to offer, and consider how much a slim 2mpix digicam alone would cost you, i don't think it's a terrible price.
comments on the article is that, though: isn't this kind of old news? vodafone TV has been around for like half a year now and the reception isn't terrific - especially, erm, on subways; the pet-emotion-translator has also been about 8 monthes or so if not longer. it's an add-on 32MB SD card software package, though, so didn't try it.
phones with digicams that comes with optical zoom was probably first seen on one of the earlier model panasonic FOMA phones (for NTT docomo) and that was like two years ago.
hmm, but maybe i'm just spoiled bathing in the abundant supply of unnecessary toys readily available in japan.
Re:you say this because you havn't seen it (Score:2)
Yup.
Re:I can honestly say... (Score:3, Informative)
It also has the java stuff and plays games and uses mp3s as ringtones and a whole lotta other stuff.
But it's also a pretty damn good phone for $175.
My wife sounded like a LOT of you guys: I don't want a damn camera, I don't want a damn color screen....
Then she IM's me with a link to the V600. Says it's pretty. Likes the 'environmental mood lighting'.
Some engineer figured that, for another $3, he could put red, gr
Re:I can honestly say... (Score:2)
And if I trade up my Vodaphone, it will probably cost me either a dollar (depending on whether they're competing with NTT's current offer) or $40, like it did last year.
However, what I will probably get is one of the international models, so I can use it in any country.
Battery Life (Score:2)
Japanse dogs? (Score:5, Funny)
And cats go "nya-nya"
Just thought I'd clear that up before you rushed out to buy one for your non-japanese pets.
Re:Japanse dogs? (Score:5, Funny)
It turns the Japanese dog's "wan-wan"s into "woof-woof"s.
Why you would want that? I don't know. Now something to turn my French Poodle's "le woof, le woof" and my Mexican Hairless Chiuaua's "el yipo! el yipo!" into a simple "bark bark" I could understand, that I'd pay for.
Re:Japanse dogs? (Score:2, Funny)
It's spelled "baguette", you faguette.
Phones that let you see into the future! (Score:5, Funny)
I got one of these (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I got one of these (Score:2, Funny)
2005? (Score:3, Insightful)
You must be joking, right?
Re:2005? (Score:2)
That's what Kyle Katarn said. About a million and four times in Jedi Academy. And he's a freaking Jedi. So he must be right.
It's not gonna sell. The Jedi have spoken
Re:2005? (Score:2)
If I travel outside the country, I can rent a phone and forward to it if I so desire.
The 144K data service is not perfect (latency is high, and the speed varies) but it is *very* cheap. Being able to surf and get on IRC while I'm passenger on car trips rocks.
Re:2005? (Score:2)
Dream I had a year and a half ago (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe the time I saw in my dream is closer than I thought.
Mod me offtopic if you feel necessary, I think it quite in context.
"Dog bark translator"....?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now my dog (Jenny) is laying on the chair next to my computer desk with her head propped up on the arm, staring at me with one ear perked straight up. That clearly says "You're supposed to be petting me instead of browsing Slashdot, you moron." Just learn how to speak dog, it's cheaper and more rewarding.
Similar to parenting (Score:2, Interesting)
with a bit of luck, we WON'T be seeing these (Score:5, Interesting)
correction: with a bit of luck, we WON'T be seeing these features in worldwide mobiles EVER.
Whatever happened to the engineering concept of affordance?
Portable phone: The ideal one is really portable and really a phone. Make it small, light, have the battery last forever and never lose calls. I'll buy that one. Keep the dog translator, thanks.
Re:with a bit of luck, we WON'T be seeing these (Score:4, Funny)
I hope you don't consider yourself a geek.
Re:with a bit of luck, we WON'T be seeing these (Score:2)
Hope you feel good making fun of a guy's mom who just went through surgery to remove cancer.
Re:with a bit of luck, we WON'T be seeing these (Score:2)
What??? (Score:3, Funny)
TV tuner useful? (Score:2)
Now a radio tuner on the otherhand I would find much more in the way of useful when ou
Dog translator? How about a phone that works?! (Score:2)
No, what I'd rather have is a tiny flip-phone that I can slip into my watch pocket. My Samsung A-530 is good, but I wish it were tinier. I don't want four hundred annoying ringtones; I don't want downloadable games at $2.50 a pop that I have to use my minutes to get; I don't really even care for a color screen. Make it small,
Re:Dog translator? How about a phone that works?! (Score:2)
Re:Dog translator? How about a phone that works?! (Score:2)
Is it so much to ask for a cellular phone that functions as an efficient communications tool? I don't want to take pictures on it--I have a camera for that. I don't want to listen to MP3s on it--I have an iPod for that.
On the other hand, some of us don't feel like carrying lots of separate devices around. If I want really nice pictures I'll take my camera--but if I just want to grab a quick snapshot of something I can use my keitai. If I'm going to listen to music for hours on end I'll use my MD player
Bark Translater (Score:2, Funny)
(( Yes, this was a poor attempt at humour. ))
Sin
Re:Bark Translater (Score:2)
I wish US phone were built as tough. (Score:2, Interesting)
Forget adding features, add some better plastics!
Re: (Score:2)
Features (Score:2, Insightful)
Most requested features (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Most requested features (Score:2)
THEY don't want you to complete your calls!
By constantly dropping your calls, you give up and don't use your phone, so the battery seems to last longer. It's all a big scam. The man doesn't want you to know how pathetic the battery life is.
But I'll tell people the TRUTH man... and the truth is th)@*%/.% [NO CARRIER]
phones are replacing PCs (Score:3, Insightful)
it's not obvious in the U.S. with our backwards cell phones, but in other parts of the world people are buying phones instead of PCs
What a waste (Score:3, Insightful)
Back in the late 90s I heard from a developer that Nokia told them at a conference that they *could* make cell phones that updated themselves over the network; they don't because they want cell phone turnover on the rate of about one a year.
The service still sucks at times, and the stuff they add on just simply doesn't justify the insane prices you pay. Think about it - $150 for a good new phone, and (average) $60 a month for a decent plan.
That's $870 a year for a PHONE.
Price for a regular home phone, $150 a year, maybe $200 if you add on a good long distance plan. And unlike your cell, the home phone is good for life (we just threw away my grandfather's phone that he got from AT&T in the early 60s).
Perhaps I'm the anomoly, but I want quality service, long battery life, and a decent menu system (are you listening, Motorola?) over every other feature they come up with.
Just my 2 cents.
In Japan, cell phones take place of cheap PDA (Score:3, Interesting)
In Japan, these high-end cell phones are just used as PDA by young people, because these cell phones are not so expensive ($50~$100), and have basic communication mechanisms (phonic and e-mail) and web-browser. For most Japanese, cell phones are not only phonic communication tool but also necessary informational equipment.
In such situ., there will be "cell-phone-geeks", and want more complicated functions, like dog-human translater or tv, no doubt.
Battery life? (Score:2, Interesting)
I wonder if it would be too much to ask for a cellphone that *just* made calls and lasted a really long time between charges. I think I could safely trade in the dog bark translator for that.
GOD I WANT TO HACK ONE ! (Score:5, Funny)
Way back when in early 95 my dad was running Win95 beta or RC , I gained remote access, installed and shared a folder that I then uploaded all kinds of 2001 a space odyssey WAV's to his system and replaced the default sounds. My Dads name was Dave, so it was friggin perfect, instead of the shutdown sound it would go into the "Dave, What are you doing Dave" sequence and so on, about 10 sounds in all.
ANYONE stupid enough to USE a dog bark translator deserves anything I can make it say.
Simple. (Score:2, Funny)
Those phones are even cooler in the flesh (Score:3, Interesting)
Interesting was the speed with which they were able to roll out 3G sites: thousands of cells per month. Unlike us their 2G system is completely incompatible with WCDMA so they had no concerns with radio or core interoperability - and thus they were able to rollout at an unheard-of speed. Kudos to Vodafone K.K. They have been remarkably successful!
Captain Obvious on the Tech Front (Score:3, Insightful)
Um, the Japanese cell phone market has been providing glimpses into the future for quite a while now. They are regularly on the bleeding edge of industry technology. Freakin' duh, man.
Very straightforward (Score:2)
Translation- "Hey!"
Orig- "Woof."
Translation- "Give me steak."
I'm such a luddite... (Score:2)
I'll never be able to buy another of those again.
Dog Bark Translator? (Score:2)
Huff huff. Huff huff huff. grrrrr.
I know people have already post this but... (Score:2)
It's not complicated, really. Someone needs to do for cell phones what Apple did for MP3 players!
talks to dogs, why not to my other computers? (Score:2)
Now we can all be Timmy. (Score:5, Funny)
What's that Lassie?
Woof!
Hold on girl let me take out my cell phone!
I don't want phones to have these features (Score:3, Interesting)
Yesterday, a phone at a table near me announced very loudly to the entire restaurant "You have an incoming call!" over and over and over again. It took the guy forever to figure out how to answer it.
What do I want in a phone?
Limit the annoyance capabilities (volume, music, etc.)
Let me have two or more phones share a single phone number. It has got to be possible, but nobody will do it. That's the only missing feature that makes me think back fondly about my old land-line phone. If someone wanted to reach whoever picked up first, or leave a message for whoever checked first, they only had one number to call; now they have two (me and my wife) and have to leave a message for both if neither of us answer. And soon half our calls will consist of "sorry, he's not with me; try his mother (or father) instead".
Let it be an option to create a blacklist of numbers (including "unknown") which will NOT generate a ring at all.
Let me hit END to drop an incoming call unanswered so I can place an outgoing call immediately instead of having to wait for the incoming call to eventually shunt over to voicemail.
Get three-way calling working better. I have had 5 different models of phones in the past 4 years, and NONE of them has handled three-way calling well at all.
Let me choose between color and black-and-white for the display. I never had any trouble reading the B&W display on my older phones at a quick glance. With this color display on my new phone, I have to shield it from the light, even at max contrast, and stare at it for a few seconds just to read the clock which is in larger numbers than everything else.
Make data cables available. I should not have to go to the store and stand in line for half an hour praying that when I get to the end of the line and ask to have my phonebook copied out, that their computer isn't down, that their cable isn't broken, that their software isn't misbehaving, that the person I get actually knows how to perform such a simple task, etc.
Make the equipment consistent. Every time I upgrade (mainly due to loss/damage) my phone, I have to get a new charger (usually included), new car charger, new headset, new data cable (if available!), new belt clip/holster, etc. And I use the term "upgrade" loosely, because out of all the phones I have had, I still like the first one best. If that model were still available, I would keep getting it, but unfortunately being 4 years old it is obsolete.
Glimpse of the future? (Score:2)
Anyhow, um, wouldn't the future be now, in Japan?
For the record, I would like my phone to be a phone. I could give a rat's ass about the other stuff.
Glimpse of the future (Score:2)
Other Vodafone Japan 2.5G & 3G models (Score:3, Informative)
Sharp model numbers begin or end in SH. Sanyo in SA. Toshiba in T. NEC in N. English-language PDFs of the manuals for several models are also available.
The review didn't mention the 800 series [vodafone.jp]: 801SH and 801SA.
Other goodies: the 601T has T4G 3D accelerator and a TV output jack when playing games. 401D also has a 2MP camera. The 401SH needs a really good signal for TV, and it kills the battery. The 401SA and 801SA have the same type of body sliding mechanism to reveal the keypad, all the others flip.
The latest Sharp models, including the 801SH, have electrical and optical audio, so one can rip direct to the SD card. Unfortunately it's DRM City, so getting music onto the SD card via a computer involves Panasonic's awful SD Jukebox software and one of a small number of card readers.
The 801SA can place videocalls to similar handsets. The 801SH and 801SA use W-CDMA in Japan, and tri-band GSM when roaming internationally.
Finally, the VC701SI is a 3G modem card made by Seiko.
The coolest freatures I've seen comes form S.Korea (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, here the public transportation system is very good, so everyone has an all in one bus/subway card. The best feature yet has been the cell phone that acts as one of those, where the person takes thier cell phone out, waves it in front of the subway entrance gate, and it subtracts from thier phone bill.
Its not hard to see where thats going. . . regardless of any stupid features like cameras or karaoke, mp3 players etc. . . its easy to imagine someone instead walking up to a counter at 7-11, the cashier ringing up what you order and then you just pay by waving your handphone in front of a little reader.
Re:TV tuner? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:TV tuner? (Score:5, Insightful)
Somebody who's at a restaraunt waiting to be served. Somebody taking a dump at work. Somebody trying to find out what happened after an Earthquake and all the power's out. Somebody riding the bus. Somebody taking a...
Re:TV tuner? (Score:2)
all the display usits i saw had such shitty reception that the a few clued shops (this even excludes the huge yodobashi-camera in shinjuku) connected the phone to in-house cable which is further connected to land cable or big antenna on top of building with a modified adaptor.
i wonder why it wasn't a popular sell =)
i
Re:TV tuner? (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, those guys already love the "walkie-talkie" feature. Actual overheard conversation:
*be-deet*
"Where are you?"
*be-deet*
"Taking a shit."
*be-deet*
"Wanna see a movie?"
*be-deet*
"Okay, when?"
*be-deet*
"Five-thirty."
I swear, video conferencing will take off when they put it on a cellphone with a built-in wall projector. And people in restaurants will use it to talk to people who are taking a shit.
Re:TV tuner? (Score:2)
Re:TV tuner? (Score:2)
The same clown who bought a Sony [overstock.com] Watchman [sony.com] or a Casio [avdeals.com] handheld [amazon.com]
Re:TV tuner? (Score:2)
Watch TV while having sex!
It would have been George's dream!
Re:TV tuner? (Score:2)
Re:why is the US so far behind? (Score:4, Interesting)
Because they are the guinea pigs and the phones get tested there before trying it in the "final" markets. Oh, and also demand [about.com]
Re:why is the US so far behind? (Score:5, Interesting)
While in the USA, multiple different companies went off and developed multiple, incompatible systems (which weren't particularly future-proof), and Telcos even implemented different networks in different parts of the country, the Europeans got together and developed GSM (Global System for Mobile telecommunications), which I'm sure you've heard of by now.
They actually bothered to implement things like inter-network and overseas roaming, and anticipate the need for an upgrade path for future requirements. They also assigned and reserved radio spectrum across Europe, and much of Asia followed suit.
Meanwhile, the USA hadn't reserved the same spectrums, so even when US operators decided that the bigger GSM handset market was a good thing to be involved with, handsets from Europe and Asia still couldn't be used because they had to be modified to work on different frequencies!
It's one case where an unregulated, free and open market has been quite detrimental to consumers, and in fact the whole country.
Re:why is the US so far behind? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not saying standards like GSM are bad, but if this really was a standards issue, wouldn't we all be ooh-ing and aah-ing over Europe's awesome high-tech GSM phones, instead of Japan's awesome high-tech (insert random 2.5G/3G celphone standard here) phones?
If anything, Japan has proven that GSM isn't the best technology for densely populated urban areas.
Re:why is the US so far behind? (Score:3, Interesting)
In the USA by contrast, the Bell breakup shattered your industry into a million tiny competing pieces, who all went out and made life as difficult for each other as possible. That of course was the natural conclusion of the court order, which put so much fear of per
Re:why is the US so far behind? (Score:2)
I love how the translator is so non-chalantly inserted into the list of features in the review.
Re:where's the beef? (Score:2)
Re:where's the beef? (Score:3, Funny)
And now we need our phone to tell us what the current conditions are? Considering that you generally would have your cell phone outside, why can't you just, oh, look up??? If you really need it, have a temperature sensor inside the phone so the cell network isn't flooded with weather data. (Idea! Better patent it!)
Re:When? (Score:3, Funny)
Cellular Relaying Antenna Point (CRAP)
and
Aggregate Nesting Node of Outrageous Yuppies and Ignorant Goofballs (ANNOYING)
and
Standardized TDMA Focusing Umbrella (STFU)
However, all these names were rejected by focus groups. The first two were classified as vaguely insulting (although the respondents could not quite say why). The respondents also said that STFU made them feel like they had made a stupid post on slashdot (kind of like this one....)
Plea
Re:When? (Score:2)
Customer: "I need a camera with optical zoom that has a TV tuner, a virtual karaoke machine, and dog bark translater. Oh yeah, and it would also be cool if it could send and receive phone calls on cellular networks and have SMS capabilities...."
Um, no. Sure, the non-phone features are useful selling points for marketing, but the reason the customer is buy
Re:When? (Score:2)
Sure, people still buy the phones to talk on them
But what about the new handheld game device from sony which can also send recieve cellular phone calls, is it a cell phone with gaming capabilities , is it a game device that can make cell calls? Where is the line drawn? And who draws it the marketting department?
In Japan, we already do (Score:3, Informative)
Re:In Japan, we already do (Score:2)
I was just referring to how "keitai" comes from "keitai-denwa" ("mobile phone"). Hopefully that's clear enough. (:
PARENT IS _NOT_ OFF-TOPIC (Score:2)
Re:These phones don't have enough gadets... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:1 year from Japan to US! (Score:2)
Only if you move to Tokyo
Joking aside, the $100/mo 100Mbps connections only work because of the population density. Where I live will not see 100Mbps anytime in the near future for anywhere NEAR that price, simply because the infrastructure to support it would cost way too much per subscriber.
Why nobody is selling at this rate in downtown LA or NYC is a mystery to me, though.
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