Tales of the Future Past 221
atlacatl writes "One of the coolest sites I've been to: Tales of the Future Past -
It tells the story (In pictures) of the predictions of the new millenium, early in the 20th century. I had forgotten the web was actually fun and interesting - use at your own risk."
Troubled future... (Score:4, Funny)
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Millennium (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Millennium (Score:3, Funny)
Doot-DOO-doo-doo-doo!
Millennium!
Doot-doo-doo-doo!
(Etc., etc.)
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We lose sight of the enemy
Like evil gods of destruction
They move through liquid transparency
=P
The future (Score:4, Funny)
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Let's look forward all the way to the year 2000!
Re:The future (Score:5, Funny)
"In the Year 2000!"
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But by knowing the future, you can change it! What's really going to bake you're noodle later on is, would you still have been modded up if you hadn't said that?
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One thing they didn't predict (Score:5, Funny)
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I believe they were imagining the depressing of a small button causing thousands of people far far away to burst into flames.
*sigh* (Score:5, Funny)
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I dunno. Those SUVs get some pretty decent air when the roll over.
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I dunno. Those SUVs get some pretty decent air when the roll over.
I saw an econobox get pretty good air once when the driver locked up the brakes at 80. Had a cool time dilation effect as we whipped past his car spinning airborne on at least two axes. Amazingly, they kid was unhurt thanks to seatbelt, though the car had seen better days...
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well almost.
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kashani
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Of course (Score:5, Funny)
Hanging out at
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Slashdot has totally changed my browsing habits since I started reading it a few years ago. I find that I don't "get out" as much as I used to and just surf around. When in doubt, reload the Slashdot main page and see if there's a new story. Nothing? Hmmm... Maybe there's a new comment in a story I've already read. Or maybe I'll read the comment thread under that boring story that I don't care about after all...
Lately I've been browsing around at Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] more. Just find an interesting page and open up a few internal links into new tabs as you go. It's easy to read half a dozen or more pages in one sitting, and you always learn something cool and interesting.
Of course, I learned about Wikipedia from a Slashdot article...
Hmmm... (Score:5, Funny)
"In the future, far too many people will make posts with jokes about the Slashdot Effect."
National Geographic (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:National Geographic (Score:5, Funny)
Re:National Geographic (Score:4, Funny)
Re:National Geographic, uh huh... (Score:5, Funny)
C'mon admit it, you were ogling the african girls in their native state of undress.
Re:National Geographic, uh huh... (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory: Spinal Tap (Score:3, Funny)
We are the dust of a future past
We raise our voices in the night
Crying to heaven
And will our voices be heard
Or will they Break Like The Wind
We are the footprints across the sands
We are the thumb on a stranger's hand
We made a promise in the night
Swearing to heaven Is this a promise we keep
Or one we Break Like The Wind
Hey!
We are the guests who have stayed too long
We are the end of the endless song
We send our hearts into the night
Soaring to heaven
And will out hearts still beat on
Or will they Break Like The Wind
Ooh, Break Like The Wind.
Which version? (Score:3, Interesting)
spell check you web site (Score:5, Funny)
So, settle on you jetpack, hitch up you blaster, and tune in the videotron as we tour Future Past!
Dig that futuristic spelling!
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analyzing past predictions (Score:5, Insightful)
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Ah the coelecanth.... (Score:2)
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The *ONLY* way you can ever say that a thing is nonexistant, is a
Dark Info (Score:3, Funny)
Re:analyzing past predictions (Score:3, Interesting)
If you look back at history, you notice something about technologies. In most cases, there are five distinct stages:
1) Conception - a person first comes up with the idea for a brand new category of technology. A wave of interest sweeps over it. (Weeks to years)
2) Initial development - slow, tedious developent toward this field, with great sweeping prophecying of its capability (years to decades)
3) Later development - slow, tedious development toward this field, with the many people disillusi
Re:analyzing past predictions (Score:2)
The predition you're making is in the present, so how can it be included in the future predictions, making it wrong?
Corner newsstands (Score:3, Funny)
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I feel for the little guys, I do. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I feel for the little guys, I do. (Score:2)
The only difference would be that sites from older stories would get slashdotted instead of sites from newer stories.
Re:I feel for the little guys, I do. (Score:5, Funny)
That's a neat trick since this is still the most recent article and you've managed to post a comment on it long before it got to the old news section.
Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
Re:I feel for the little guys, I do. (Score:2)
one also doesn't need to spell check so if I spelled anything wrong don't bother telling me;)
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Screw the Flying Car (Score:2)
Shape of Things to Come (Score:2, Redundant)
Smithsonian Exhibit (Score:5, Informative)
Excerpts... (Score:5, Informative)
TALES OF FUTURE PAST
It wasn't that long ago that we had a future. I mean, we have one now; the world isn't going to crash into the Sun or anything like that. What I mean is that we had a future that we could clearly imagine. The future wasn't tomorrow, next week, next year, or next century. It was a place with a form, a structure, a style. True, we didn't know exactly what the future would be like, but we knew that it had to be one of a few alternatives; some good, some very bad. The future was a world with a distinct architecture. It had its own way of speaking. It had its own technology. It was for all intents and purposes a different land where people dressed differently, talked differently, ate differently, and even thought differently. It was where scientists were wizards, where machines were magically effective and efficient, where tyrants were at least romantically evil rather than banal, and where the heavens were fairyland where dreams could literally come true.
A few years ago, people talked about building a bridge to the 21st century. Now that we're there, the phrase seems as odd as building a causeway to five o'clock. As Midnight brought in the year 2000 (or 2001 if you prefer), something odd began to sink in. For people of my generation, who had lived through the tarnished promises of the Atomic Age, the Space Age, the Computer Age, and the This That and Another Age, the year 2001 was a gateway. We waited twenty, thirty, forty years and some longer to pass though that gate into a time when spaceships the size of ocean liners plied between colonised planets, where cities were colourful collections of brand new towers without a single old building or blade of grass, where people wore jumpsuits like they were the togas of a technocratic Rome, where robots were our powerful and obedient servants, and where jetpacks were as common as galoshes.
Boy, were we off base. It isn't simply that the predictions were wrong. No one with half a brain really expected that sort of accuracy. And true, though some marvels did not come to pass, others that were and weren't predicted did. We certainly live very different lives from that of our fathers and grandfathers. That is not in dispute. But what did not happen is what many expected, though never talked about much. Assuming that we dodged the 1984, Brave New World bullet, our future was supposed to be a sort of technocratic, atomic-powered, computer-controlled, antiseptic, space-travelling Jerusalem that would at last free us from the curse of Eden and original sin. We expected some how, some way that we would be on the road to being freed from the human condition. We expected a sort of bloodless, benign French Revolution with Hugo Gernsback as our Voltaire and Carl Sagan as our Robespierre. And what did we get? The City of Man with Tivo. The fact is, science fiction and popular science had set the bar so high that only the Second Coming with ray guns would have satisfied.
Still, there was a romantic innocence about the 20th century's view of the future. It was a sort of plastic Camelot; in both senses of the term. So, settle on you jetpack, hitch up you blaster, and tune in the videotron as we tour Future Past!
FUTURE CITY
This is Frank R. Paul's depiction of a city of the future and is pretty typical of such predictions. The city is a massive pile of steel, plastic and glass put together in a way that not only has no past, but actively rejects it. It is a place of heroic technology with skyscrapers the size of whole districts, Roof-top aerodromes, wide pedestrian boulevards, and metal roadways strangely devoid of traffic. There are even urban space launch pads where giant rockets are winched upright before blasting off to the heavens. Noise regulations, Smoise regulations.
The iconic image of the future is the city
Re:Excerpts... (Score:3, Informative)
Whatever this guy did, it doesn't show up in Mozilla. Oh, this explains it:
Hmph! (Score:3, Informative)
I predict (Score:5, Funny)
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When Ghingis Khan rushed across Asia, are those known as the dark years of the Mongols?
History has some strange criteria as far as what's good and what's bad.
Perhaps it will just be remembered as the time during which the US spent all its money on millitary equipment, weakening the American economy. This eventually causes the gov. to raise taxes, at which time American Industry seeks a new home outside the industrial haven that was the United States.
And the new "World Power" will remember this era as the time of their rising and will downplay Bush's actions in the same way that the success of American Industry after WWII is exalted, while people gloss over the fact that part of that boom was due to the fact that the other industrial nations had bombed their factories into rubble and the US had no real competition.
On the "Flying Wing" magazine cover... (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually he wasn't too far off, eh?
Re:On the "Flying Wing" magazine cover... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:On the "Flying Wing" magazine cover... (Score:2)
Not trying to be crass, just a reflection on the times.
Still not fun and interesting (Score:4, Funny)
And thanks to the Slashdot effect, I can't be reminded of that fact, you insensitive clods!
the futures here we just can afford it (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:the futures here we just can afford it (Score:3, Funny)
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Currently ... (Score:3, Funny)
The Shape of Things to Come (Score:5, Interesting)
Site is Fake (Score:5, Informative)
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http://leela.lasthome.net/www.davidszondy.com/fut
"Popular Mechanics Magazine: Written so you can understand it"...
Then again, maybe they genuinely did print that... any old farts / magazine collectors know if this is fake?
Magazine covers are likely not faked... (Score:4, Informative)
I have many old Popular Mechanix and Popular Science (and a few old Popular Electronics, etc) from the 30's-60's - and the old issues most certainly had wacky imagery on the covers - I have one showing these huge planes (like, Spruce Goose size or larger!) getting a "boost" for launching by rolling down a very tall and big "ski jump"-type ramp, catupulting off it into the sky! I have another issue, which at least looks more real, but is scary in the image it portrays (Science and Mechanics, April 1963): "Wonderful Machine That Stops Parkinson's Disease" - shows this guy laying on the table with these probes in his head (no "halo" or anything like you would see in a real radiographic surgery today - don't twitch!) - the crazy thing is while this is an illustration, the inside article shows the real thing, and no halo there either! Supposedly developed at the "State University of Iowa Hospital", the equipment being developed by the "University of Illinois" - it supposedly worked via ultrasound. This is a real article, real pictures - enough information for you to follow it up if you so wished (makes you wonder if it worked?)...
The image published of the "Ion Propelled Aircraft" (Popular Mechanics, Aug 1964) - that is a real issue, I am looking at it on my desk right now (cost me $5.00 to buy the issue, originally priced at 35 cents!). What is interesting about this article (if you read the actual article), you would see what was being demonstrated are actually what we /.'ers know as "Lifter" technology [jnaudin.free.fr] (I had to sneak in a JNL ref!) - do a google on "lifter", "jnl", and "Major de Seversky" for more info - all real stuff, he was demoing this long before the internet (but still no progress made toward a real craft) - the article is fun though - Seversky's crafts look no better or worse constructed than "modern" versions (likely he used nearly the same materials - balsa wood and tinfoil).
Finally, yes, these magazines were dedicated to helping the common man learn about science and technology, and the impact they had on the normal joe's life. In most of them (the good ones), there were many "do-it-yourself" artciles on building all manner of devices and such, from simple barbeque grills, to more complex devices (answering machines, garage door openers, electric edgers, helicopters, small planes, small cars, both gas and electric, etc). At the time, people were more willing to build such devices (people also were less stupid - and less litigious - probably because TV wasn't as prevalent) - many items shown were either not available for the homeowner, or only at a great cost (many articles showed how to build things that could be bought for much more, out of stuff most people would throw away - for example, the electric sidewalk edger I mentioned used a discarded vacuum cleaner motor for power). All of this "do-it-yourself" stuff declined rapidly throughout the 70's-80's, and these magazines all dropped off, or changed radically from what they once were - leaving the husks of "Popular Science" and "Popular Mechanics" as they are today.
Sad, really - and reflects an even sadder state for the people of today's society - who couldn't "DIY" to save their life, it seems...
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Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
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I work for an Air Traffic Control, so This one [lasthome.net] is the best of a marvellous bunch.
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God bless America!
A good comment on city architecture.... (Score:5, Informative)
More on Brasilia's depressing architecture here [travelscribbles.com].
Re:A good comment on city architecture.... (Score:2, Interesting)
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Let's make fun of all visionaries !!! (Score:5, Insightful)
This could have been a great website, featuring what people thought the future would look like, comparing it to what it ended up looking like, and featuring some analysis as to why the discrepancies occured, or at the very least some surmises.
It's not easy telling the future, and I doubt very many of the magazine scans and "future" products were meant to be authoritarian "this is what it WILL look like" presentations. Rather, they were "hey, wouldn't it be neat if we could have this in the future?" With that view this could actually have been an inspiration to help develop what we already don't have. Instead it was turned into a poorly written "ha ha, what stupid ideas"-fest.
What's the use of even putting up this website when all it is doing is slam those who try to have some sort of vision?
William Gibson's "The Gernsback Continuum" (Score:4, Insightful)
The bumperstick on my hovercar: (Score:2)
Re:William Gibson's "The Gernsback Continuum" (Score:2)
Futurists shouldn't really try to predict what things will be like 17 millenia from now. That is perhaps a bit of an overzelous attempt.
Last And First Men (Score:3, Interesting)
Some wild'n'crazy older scifi books that look several million years into the future:
Olaf Stapledon's Last And First Men [amazon.com]
Sun dying in Red Giant phase, humans try to evolve a group mind.
William Hope Hodgson's The Nightland [amazon.com]
Sun and all stars dead. Last humans living in nuclear-powered cities... their nuclear fuel is dwindling. Naive traveller explores a weir
Google Cache (Score:2, Informative)
A Moody Blues fan? (Score:2)
RIP (Score:5, Funny)
Futurama (Score:2)
Slashdotted.... (Score:2)
Flying Car (Score:3, Interesting)
What would you do for a Flying Car? [viewaskew.com]
The real problem: Physics has stalled. (Score:4, Interesting)
Ask any person over the age of 90 what the greatest invention of their lifetime was and they will almost certainly say something that was made made possible by electricity, or our understanding ofatomic physics.
In the late 19th century we developed the internal combustion engine. We developed airplanes at the beginning of the century. In the 1930s we developed chemical rockets. Since then what have we developed as far as propulsion or transportation technologies go?
Not much. It's easy to imagine how much optimism there was after these initial advancements. Lately basic physics has branched out into such technologically unproductive pursuits as String theory. They are interesting to mathematicians but the technological fruits aren't there. In my opinion we have entered a technological slump that may last for quite a while.
Re:The real problem: Physics has stalled. (Score:3, Interesting)
Go read Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point. And don't think Cook is a crackpot; he writes for the highly prestigious and influential Janes' Defence Weekly, perhaps the best-known periodical on military matters.
If Cook's assertions are correct, we may be on the verge of a energy production revolution that could make fossil fuels and fission nuclear power obselete literally overnight. It appears that the Nazis during World War II may have been playing around with the idea of
Re:The real problem: Physics has stalled. (Score:5, Insightful)
You forget the operative word. Basic, fundamental investigation is where all the neato cool interesting stuff comes from. We have no idea what that stuff will be, but it will come, if we are prepared to let people continue their research.
Just think what the world would be like if the Powers That Were had told Messrs. Shockley, Brattain and Bardeen [wikipedia.org] to quit messing with those ridiculous bits of germanium, that crazy chemistry and that silly quantum theory (none of which has any application anyway, you know) and work with something real, like better tubes [wikipedia.org].
...laura
Re:The real problem: Physics has stalled. (Score:2, Insightful)
or not having to walk outside when you need to take a sh!t?
Radio (Score:4, Interesting)
I actually had the opportunity to do just this a couple of years ago when I was having a conversation with some in-laws (a brother and a sister) who were in their late 90s and still totally alert. They were old enough to tell me of their travails of having to "score" liquor from dealers in dodgy neighbourhoods in the US during prohibition.
Anyway, being young and naive of course I asked the "what was the greatest invention or discovery or change" in the 20th century? I was expecting, of course, something different from their unanimous answer: Radio. I responded with "What about TV?" Their answer? One of them said, moe or less, "TV was nothing special, just radio with pictures. We'd already got used to broadcasting". Sadly, both of these great people are now dead.
Radio was magic stuff - binding together huge communities cheaply and effectively and "magically" without visible wires. People would huddle together and listen to words and music, exercising their imagination to create pictures within their heads that corresponded to the active narrative coming out of the little magic box.
Remember in the 1920s that the science fiction genre got started within the pages of radio electronics magazines!
Radio was the zeitgeist of the times. Just look through any magazine of the time and you see endless classifieds for radio operator/engineer classes, certifications, and so on. Radio in the 1920s was like the Internet in the 1990s - everyone wanted a piece of it, it was the new frontier of communications. In fact, without radio it's doubtful that the Nazis would so effectively have seized control and indoctrinated so many millions of people in Germany.
I note in passing that radio continues to be a huge agent of social change, for good or ill. The genocide in Rwanda [wikipedia.org] was orchestrated and performed using "talk radio" hosts to coordinate the decentralized death squads. In a country with little infrastructure or reputation for efficiency, the Tutsi butchers in Rwanda killed over a million people at a rate more than five times faster than the best extermination efforts of the stereotupically efficient Nazis during World War 2.
Future Perfect (Score:2, Informative)
A nice and cheap book about the future as imagined in the early 20th century :
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/3822815667/
The common thread (Score:5, Insightful)
But we may be making the same mistake. More power was the biggest deal until about 1970. Then smaller became the big deal. But this doesn't mean that smaller is going to rule forever. In particular, our predictions of nanotech and biotech may be just as naive as the predictions the site laughs at.
So what will the future really be? I don't know. Maybe "more connected" is going to be the next big area.
Networks, my boy, networks... (Score:4, Interesting)
You have likely hit the nail on the head - we are likely to see more and better applications of network theory (along with attendent refinement of the theory). It is becoming clear that just about every robust and fault-tolerant (note I did not say "faultless") system involves or is a network (or a network of networks, such as the human body). These discoveries and others are likely to shape a lot of the coming century.
If you (or anyone else) are interested in this trend, you cannot go wrong by reading "Linked" by Albert-Laszlo Barabasi (ISBN 0-452-28439-2).
Of course, this, like every other prediction, could be wrong. We are seeing the application of network theory in a number of areas currently (social networking tools like orkut and friendster are the ones in the spotlight) - whether it is simply a fad or whether it will truely yield new insights, though, is anyone's guess...
Name that tune... (Score:5, Funny)
"I can slashdot that webserver in nine posts..."
"I can slashdot that site in eight posts!"
"Slashdot that website!"
Persons of a "certain age" will remember that game show. I sure don't!
Re:another slashdotted website (Score:2, Funny)