BT Plans Move To IP Telephony, Starting Next Year 228
pure_equanimity writes "The BBC have published an article saying that BT are planning to migrate from a PSTN to an IP network, a move to cost 3bn. They say that broadband will become ubiquitous, with customers having the ability to plug any device in to get access. They also say that current cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time. They plan to start rolling out in 2006, and cover the vast majority of customers by 2009."
Wow - That's unexpected (Score:5, Insightful)
This was the last thing I expected from BT after their faffing about with getting DSL sorted out a few years back. This should be interesting...
Too bad I'm not a BT customer. I wonder what will become of all of the mini-telcos which currently hang off BT's network.
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:3, Interesting)
The only reason they are doing this most likely to tap into the mobile and other new markets, and it looks like a risky investment. No-one knows what the market would be like 2 years down the road, let alone 5 years.
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:2)
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:2)
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:4, Interesting)
Telewest has just increase it's bandwidth by 50% though (no change in the plan price though). 512->768k, 1.0->1.5m etc. It's great and probably a good deal if you want 1mbs and don't have bulldog in your area.
Re:Wow - That's unexpected (Score:3, Informative)
Here the urban (unbundled) rate is 29.90€ for 5M/384k (TV-DSL and VoIP off) or 2M/384k (TV-DSL and VoIP on), and you can find providers starting at 12.99€/month for 512/128.
Outside of cities (non-unbundled rate), of course, the standard France Telecom gouging comes back, and prices are between 29.90€ for 1024/128 and 35€ for 512/128 (depending on the ISP, the base carrier being always FT).
So... (Score:5, Interesting)
So they are gonna hook customers up right before the prices go up? I thought prices would go down as time marches on? What about all that "dark fiber"?
Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)
So they are gonna hook customers up right before the prices go up? I thought prices would go down as time marches on? What about all that "dark fiber"?
Reading the article I took it to mean that cheap broadband IP telephony products would be unviable in 5 years time, not broadband internet per se.
Re:So... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So... (Score:5, Funny)
They'd have no problems at all in controlling or overcharging for IPT, especially with the Toothless Wonder regulator (whose best threats seem to be things like "Oh, go on, please drop your prices, pretty please with a picture of Tony on the top"... although anything with a picture of President Blair on it is probably a serious threat now I think about it..)
Sensible switch-over (Score:3, Interesting)
Once the public gets seriously into VOIP, which they will, phones are going byebye. So broadband will have to pay for itself.
Only sensible, really.
PSTN? (Score:4, Informative)
Public Switched Telephone Network btw.
Re:PSTN? (Score:2)
British terminology, my friend. :)
Re:PSTN? (Score:3, Funny)
Back in my day PSTN was "Packet Switched Telephone Network". It was called that because it used packet switching to route information. Whoever heard of Public switching?
Public switching:
1. An outdated communications protocol used before IP on the original internet in 1500BC. It was slow by todays standards, had no means of error checking and could not gaurentee delivery. It's still used today, but only at childrens parties where it is more often referred to as Chinese whispers.
2. A method fo
Re:PSTN? (Score:5, Informative)
"Public Switching"... Heh!
Re:PSTN? (Score:5, Informative)
Packet switching on telephone networks is a relatively new thing (compared to the history of automatic telephone switching). Until 20 years ago, most telephone switching was still done by electromechanical machines (google for Strowger Telephone Exchange) - huge rooms full of physical switches (uniselectors, bidirectional selectors) and relays which moved and clattered as subscribers dialed telephone numbers; the tones (such as ringing, number unobtainable, engaged etc) generated by a motor-driven machine. If you go to the London Science Museum, they have part of one of these exchanges you can play with.
Trunk calls were routed using analogue frequency division multiplexing rather than packet switching. Signalling between mechanical telephone exchanges was done at voice frequencies (for example, the famous 2600Hz tone - in Britain, the frequency was different and it was known as 2VF - if you listen to some Radio 4 radio plays you'll find the sound engineers still like inserting the 'pip' sound when someone answers a call which you heard when the 2VF signalling wasn't quite fully supressed from reaching the subscriber's phone. These 'pip' sounds probably disappeared from the public network 20 years ago but the sound engys at the BBC seem to like them).
Re:PSTN? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:PSTN? (Score:2)
Re:PSTN? (Score:4, Informative)
"packet switched telephone network" gives 61 results on Google (all from idiots).
"Public switched telephone network" gives around 119000 results.
I rest my case.
Yea... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yea... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Yea... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yea... (Score:2)
That doesn't make sense - it was costing them money to never do something because no-one was asking for it...?
I still have a pulse-dialling phone by the way. But that's because it's nearly 90 years old and has been updated to work on the modern lines. It's not my main phone, but I'm not parting with it any time soon either.
Chee
Re:Yea... (Score:3, Informative)
Actually... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Yea... (Score:5, Informative)
Did you comprehend the article? This is more about their internal network, rather than the customer equipment.
They will convert their entire internal network into VOIP, so even if you have an old analog POTS line, your calls will be VOIP'd between exchanges.
Naturally, once they have a native internal VOIP network, then they're in a better position to offer interesting VOIP services directly to the customer. But a vast majority of customers will still be using analog POTS.
It's hardly surprising: if they don't do this then they will fall behind in offering the kinds of innovative services that upstart VOIP vendors can offer. It also makes for better service integration and interoperation with future 4G technologies, etc.
rims? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:rims? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:rims? (Score:3, Funny)
Good God man, what the blazes?
I have phone, I plug in wall, I call my mamma. No thankyou multiplexor pargainer, not today, Goodbye!
Re:rims? (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, they use it a lot here, but I dont think its an exchange limitation (generally anyway) - it seems to be more of a local box/cabling thing.. when we had an extra 3 lines put in the engineer said if we got 1 more, BT would have to upgrade the cable from the exchange to the subbox, then to our house! He also mumbled something about that probably helping them justif
Re:rims? (Score:2)
Ewan
Re:rims? (Score:4, Interesting)
For anyone in a similar position, heres how I did it. Remember at all times that the person you are talking to is a thick bastard who couldnt get a real job and hates his/her life and just wants to go home.
Is my phoneline split? I can only get 28Kbps on my dial up! Can I get broadband - I know my exchange is enabled.
"Your line fails the test sir - you cant get broadband"
"But is my line split? I beleive I read that if your line is split BT has to replace it if you order broadband on an enabled exchange"
"I dont think thats right sir - where did you see that?"
"In flight magazine probably - BA"
"I'll ask my supervisor"
"Hello - supervisor here - you have a line issue"
"I want a new line because I suspect its shared and I want broadband and you have to change the line"
to cut a long story short (well - okay - lonng) I just repeated this about 2 dozen times until they booked me an engineer to replace the line. I dont think its true - but these guys just want an easy life so hassle them into giving you the line. Oh - but remember - when they say "where did you read it" say "Fortune" or "In flight magazine" not "/."
Re:rims? (Score:3, Informative)
Being on either device basically guarentees that yo
Charge by the MB (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Charge by the MB (Score:3, Funny)
Cheap broadband products (Score:3, Informative)
BT don't do any cheap broadband products, only expensive overpriced ones
bandwidth capacity? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:bandwidth capacity? (Score:3, Informative)
It will certainly not be as bad, load-wise, as installing high-speed Internet access.
Re:bandwidth capacity? (Score:2)
Re:bandwidth capacity? (Score:4, Interesting)
I imagine that the majority of phone call traffic will never leave BT's network, since the uptake of IP telephony in the rest of the world is still quite small.
Even if similar moves are made in other countries, I'm sure BT have some connections that could keep it local until it hits the remote exchange.
UK is temporatily unavailable. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:UK is temporatily unavailable. (Score:2)
Powersource? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Powersource? (Score:2, Insightful)
They work because the phone company has backup power - batteries and generators. See How Stuff Works [howstuffworks.com].
However, you bring up an interesting point about fiber - unlike copper, you need to provide power for the devices on either end. From the article:
We anticipate that millions of people will use the phone in the same way...
This makes me think that the VOIP network may have
Re:Powersource? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Powersource? (Score:3, Informative)
Since a lot of COs and switching centers already have this massive infrastructure for supplying DC power most (if not all) internetworking equipment can be obtained in DC power supply versions.
So yes, the equipment at the CO will stay up through a power outage because it'll still be powered by those 48V batteries, equipment at the customer end is a completely different thing... but unless it's a full FT
The Skype Telephone (Score:4, Interesting)
This is going to be the biggest revolution in telephony the UK has ever seen. Whilst a Skype handset might not connect you to phones that are not on their network, if enough people use it, it could supplant the BT network and destroy their business.
I wonder how they are going to charge for the service, obviously line rental, which will be the minimum they will be able to collect from each user, but taking into consideration the ease with which people will be able to switch providers, their churn rate will be very high indeed.
Basically, they are going to spend 3 billion to put themselvs out of business. Great!
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:2)
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:2, Insightful)
However, as I said, it seems nothing more than another IM client, and you can bet your ass MS will go right ahead and implement a similar thing into Messenger.
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:5, Interesting)
Wrong. They've realised that things like Skype will put them out of business if they don't move on, so they're shifting away from traditional voice comms and entirely into data comms. They'll change their pricing accordingly too, probably to a charge based on the amount of data you use rather than an amount of time.
Its the old style voice telcos that are going to be disappearing.
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:2)
It is neccessary to implement QoS here, I think. And it *must* be differently priced. Else, everyone would set the QoS fields leading to a tragedy of the commons.
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:2)
So this spells the eventual end of unmetered broadband from BT. Which means that when this happens, any other ISP that offers unmetered broadband will eat up BTs business. Why should anyone pay for a per gig broadband account with BT when they can pay the same money for an unlimited account from another ISP AND get Skype/VOIP for telephony as well?
Re:The Skype Telephone (Score:2)
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Out of business? (Score:3, Insightful)
BT seem to be gearing up for something, or reacting to something. Its strange for them to have such a flurry of activity as they have had of late, normally they are quite the epitome of corporate dawdling on products and issues.
Seems that they are wanting to seriously get themselves some press time, and in my opinion are using some clever marketing to do so.
Look at the ammount of new services / announcements / products they are kicking out the door at the moment listed on El Reg.
background info (Score:3, Informative)
The public switched telephone network (PSTN) is the concatenation of the world's public circuit-switched [fact-index.com] telephone [fact-index.com] networks, in much the same way that the Internet [fact-index.com] is the concatenation of the world's public IP [fact-index.com]-based packet-switched [fact-index.com] networks. Originally a network of fixed-line analog telephone systems, the PSTN is now almost entirely digital, and now includes mobile [fact-index.com] as well as fixed telephones.
Grreat...but (Score:3, Insightful)
Not going to happen... (Score:4, Insightful)
The UK phone network is not a simple beast, and not like any other phone network in the world. I suspect they're putting down the plan and hoping that they can start angling for some government "investment" to replace the absolute crud we have in place at the moment.
I would advise caution however, when BT announce anything at all. Remember this is the company who announced "universal" broadband 15 years ago and sat on the technology when it became available until they were effectively bullied into it.
Re:Not going to happen... (Score:2, Interesting)
As usual... (Score:4, Insightful)
The technology for this just isn't ready. The internet wasn't designed for having all these low-latency desiring services tacked onto it, and not everyone has a 50ms ping. What worries me about this is that the brits don't seem to have a choice in the matter, and are being shepherded into this under the guise of "new technology, newer is better".
The sad truth is the individual pieces work ok, but put the ISP, the routers, the voip boxes together, and you've got one hell of a mess.
Re:As usual... (Score:5, Insightful)
Its not just the network , its IP itself (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:As usual... (Score:2)
It's going to work when done properly, they'll own the whole network so they can make it work properly. They won't be dependant on other people having their networks working.. like when using the internet itself.
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MPLS (Score:2)
This will, of course, only work on networks that they run, so expect poor QoS if you have to make calls that cross networks, such as international calls.
Re:As usual... (Score:3, Insightful)
An opportunity for you to be proved right (Score:3, Insightful)
Then in six years we can look back at this thread and see if that's how BT did it.
It's a nice idea... (Score:2)
It took them ten years to get to the current stage of broadband, and that hardly involved much work. This won't be completed until around 2099.
Re:It's a nice idea... (Score:3, Interesting)
The reason broadband has taken so long is that it doesn't make them much money. The reason they managed to switch the entire network, trunk routes and all, from analogue and mechanical switching to an all digital network is this:
Re:It's a nice idea... (Score:2)
I'll look into it.
Regulator approval (Score:2, Interesting)
In the UK the telecoms industry has until recently been regulated by an organisation called Oftel. They have recently been replaced by a much broader regulator called Ofcom (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/).
Their job is to try and ensure that the communications industry as a whole remains competitive. Which generally involves keeping BT on a short leash.
This is the first major announcement from BT since Ofcom came into existence, so they may want attemp
Cheap? (Score:4, Funny)
BT have cheap broadband products? Yikes, they've kept that well hidden!
Will this be going to IPV6 or IPV4? (Score:5, Insightful)
And on another note, how cool will it be to have links like <a href="phonecall:phone.mydomain.com">Phone Me!</a> on websites - how long until we have that I wonder?
Re:Will this be going to IPV6 or IPV4? (Score:5, Funny)
About as cool as the sun. Thats just what you'd need , loads of phone calls from people who "just want to ring for a laugh" or people who click accidentaly or people who phone up to tell you your page sucks whereas if they had to actually dial the number they might not bother. Still , it'll probably happen. Every crap idea ends up in browsers eventually.
Re:Will this be going to IPV6 or IPV4? (Score:2)
This is more than just IP Telephony (Score:2, Insightful)
BT coward.... (Score:2, Informative)
1000 people will have it tested in the south of England in 2005 I belive
Now they just have to start offering good internet and phone products to win customers back
Fears people have. (Score:2, Informative)
Asterisk... Penguins always fly ahead of the curve (Score:2)
Core Network (Score:3, Insightful)
Obviously while this will eventually have implications for end users (BT are talking of a broadband dialtone) the main benefits will be a big cost saving for BT and the ability to quickly deploy new services onto the network.
Clarification (Score:2)
This means:
"Mr Beal hinted, however, that the cheap broadband telephony deals available at the moment may not continue." (from bbc article).
NOT that broadband itself is going to get more expensive...
Check out your connection... (Score:2, Informative)
You can simulate a VoIP call and get the MOS voice quality score. So if you want to see how your Wireless setup fares, visit testyourvoip.com [testyourvoip.com].
Even if you don't care about VoIP, it is a useful test of the latency and bandwidth of your connection. VoIP is pretty sensitive to late packets so this tool highlights connectivity problems.
-ben
Italy already carries 80% of phone calls as data (Score:4, Informative)
This is the back-end of the service, multiplexing together thousands of calls over high speed (2.5 and 10Gb/second) network links. The network also uses class of service and many other configuration setups to ensure a consistent quality of service for the traffic flow. You can be sure everything will be massively resilient. In addition this traffic won't traverse the public Internet at all, but will be on a private network (though gatewayed to the Internet for connectivity to other services). This will allow BT to guarantee they wont be hit by Internet related issues like congestion, black-hole routing and so on. Dont compare this service to public Internet VoIP, its NOTHING like it.
Personally I think this is a fantastic move, and will really help the UK take advantage of up and coming technologies over the next decade.
PS there is already an Internet standard to map IP addresses to public phone numbers, and there is also work on integrating VoIP into the DNS infrastructure!
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:2)
We don't remember IP address for websites at the moment. We use DNS. Would the same not be true for your example?
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:4, Interesting)
God help you if you're John Smith!
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:4, Informative)
Basically, they're turning the voice data into packets and then sending the packets across their network, improving the effeciency of their lines. There's been a lot of discussion about this lately actually. Either way, I wish the american phone companies would get on the ball...
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:5, Funny)
ZombieEngineer
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:2)
I (along with the rest of my company) use VoIP phones. We all have 7 digit direct dial numbers. If someone from outside the local area code wants to call, of course they must use 10 digits.
The exceptions are in some major metro areas, like Denver, CO. There, all dialing, both local and long distance, is 10 digit, both PSTN and VoIP.
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:3, Insightful)
I dont trust BT to make a success of this as they are total shite at dealing with internet technologies.
Utter rubbish... (Score:3, Informative)
The reason why people would give out the name of the area that they lived in is that, back in the days when the system was set up when overlaying the alphabet onto the digits 0-9 had more significance in the UK, part of the name would correspond to the area code. In fact, the area codes themselves derived from the place names.
This area
Re:So what numbers will we use (Score:4, Insightful)
It would be a pain in the a** to update all the people's IP telephones from IPv4 to IPv6 (If it would be possible at all). And that would hamper the spread of IPv6 alot.
They are brave enough to switch to IP, hopefully they're also brave enough to switch to IPv6.
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:2)
And there was me thinking that the original poster just hadn't updated from the Good Old Days of the GPO!
(GPO = General Post Office, the fore-runner of British Telecom and the Royal Mail. Factoid: Tommy Flowers, the engineer who built Colossus, was a GPO employee)
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:4, Informative)
Official name is simply 'BT', not British Telecom (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:2)
Duh.
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:2)
Actually I realized it is the British Telecom, I just wanted to point out that not everyone in the world might know what BT stands for...
Re:Who the f*ck is BT? ;-) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:cheap 'international' effect calls (Score:2)