Google Acquires Picasa, Improves Blogging Tools 369
clandestine writes "It appears that our lovable search engine has again expanded its horizons - the internet wasn't enough; now you can search and organize your own pictures. I don't know about you, but I use Google for nearly everything; heck, I found links about their acquisition of Picasa through Google News! Any slashdotters going to benefit from this tech, or already do? And yes, the addition of Picasa to their arsenal is a couple of days old, but they just started linking them on the homepage today."
Monopoly (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Informative)
The problem with that analysis is that it's much too kind to the underdog operating systems.
I'm having a hard tiime finding good numbers, but it seems that Apple's market share has generally been in decline over the years [macobserver.com], with most sources citing a market share or install base fluttering around three or four percent for the past couple of years [homeip.net], with some wildly optimistic speculation that Apple could hit eight percent by 2008 [ecommercetimes.com].
In the most recent report I could find [macnn.com], Apple's market share was put at 3.7%
Re:Monopoly (Score:5, Insightful)
Who says they won't make it crossplatform? They can do anything they want with it now.
Re:Monopoly (Score:2, Insightful)
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looks just like locking the consumers in. For example in Yahoo you can buy yourself out by paying $ 20 and upload your 2G anywhere. You can't do this in Gmail.
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Informative)
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Re:Monopoly (Score:5, Informative)
1. forward the messages
2. move the whole mailbox elsewhere
looks just like locking the consumers in. For example in Yahoo you can buy yourself out by paying $ 20 and upload your 2G anywhere. You can't do this in Gmail.
You can do that with a free Hotmail account with the Gotmail script, and with a free Yahoo acount with the Yosucker script. Both retrieve your data through the proprietary HTML interface of the provider, "mbox'es" the formatting and forward it to the email account of your choice. No need to pay a hapenny for the privilege.
Matter of fact, I use Gotmail to retrieve all of my 50-so hotmail accounts every 30 minutes and forward them to my main pop3 account. I never see the Hotmail site. It works very well indeed.
Re:Monopoly (Score:5, Interesting)
Didn't mean to steal $$ from yahoo but 19$ is too steep per account. However I do pay them for the personal email addresses - So I guess I am justified.
Re:Monopoly (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Monopoly (Score:5, Informative)
"Beta" is just a way for a company to say "if this breaks, we don't care."
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Insightful)
They have publicly admitted that their 'alpha' versions are what are commonly referred to as 'beta' software, and their 'beta' software is released, official versions.
Now, Google News I can make no apologies for. I've wondered why it's still in beta. I can't think of any reasons. I can think of plenty of features I'd like for them to add, but the basic functiona
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Funny)
Reasons Why You Can't Forward Gmail (Score:3, Informative)
If you use Gmail, you'll see that every e-mail isn't shown as an e-mail, they're shown as conversations. So, if you're trying to click the checkbox next to a conversation then try to forward it, does that mean you want to forward the entire conversation, just the last sent e-mail, or one of the e-mails in between? It's ambiguous.
It makes more sense to open a conversation displaying each e-mail separately, then allow you to forward individual e-mails.
Maybe later, they will add functionality to not view you
Re:Reasons Why You Can't Forward Gmail (Score:3, Informative)
You can't forward or reply by clicking the checkbox--you must first view the message. If it's a message in a conversation, it, and every LATER message in the conversation will be
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Informative)
Keep in mind that Gmail is still in the testing stages, and I'm sure the developers are swamped with bug fixes that they need to fix before they begin adding new features. I have already discovered and reported numerous bugs and received messages from gmail support that they have been forwarded to the appropriate developers. They will likely off
Re:Monopoly (Score:2)
I realize that through shady deals and whatnot MSFT established itself as the industry leader and continues to do so today...
Now, while Google didn't use shady deals to become the #1 search engine out there do you think that they will resort to lock-in tactics later? Perhaps after they go public and money begins to control innovation and not the other way around?
Re:Monopoly (Score:2, Interesting)
Google's vision is "make the world's information universally accessible and useful" (with Google the only way to access it?)
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Insightful)
Not really. People get used to the web services and have trouble leaving them. Same with applications. Its not exactly that hard to switch from IE to Firefox and doesn't cost a dime, yet MS still has 90-something% of the market there.
Re:Monopoly (Score:2)
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Not only that, there are brain dead web application developers that sell web services to companies, and insist on writing to IE6 as opposed to standards. I deal with two such providers to my company. Their only reason: "We only support IE6". The result, goofy looking, confusing, non-standard displays on any
Does it run on Linux? (Score:3, Informative)
Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Awesome! (Score:2)
Oh god I have said too much!
Only if you already have the porn... (Score:2)
I'm guessing that at least some people won't, for fear that someone might find the kiddle porn folder, which you then can't claim 'I don't know how that got there'.
Re:Only if you already have the porn... (Score:2)
props to him, says I.
Just try to search kaza for pr0n, and try to download non-dupclicates...
Well...I'm still waiting (Score:5, Interesting)
Then I'll get excited...
Re:Well...I'm still waiting (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Well...I'm still waiting (Score:5, Insightful)
Then I'll get excited...
Then I'll get scared.
Re:Well...I'm still waiting (Score:3, Informative)
Depends on what you use it for. Google picture search was a godsend at college when I needed to find pictures of famous paintings so I could write reports about them. Even many obscure paintings (Try Castine Harbour by Lane [google.com]) are found multiple times with google image search. Politicians, famous people, they're all there.
It does need work (more options, better narrowing-down tools) but its a good tool.
Re:Well...I'm still waiting (Score:2)
So you might not see it soon, but there are already research projects out there that are looking at exactly what you mention.
For example, look at Intel's Diamond project [intel-research.net]. I am sure others will point you to more related work.
Re:*shrug* (Score:2)
Sorry, but that's the kind of attitude I would expect from someone working for a software company in Redmond.
I happen to agree with the grandparent-post. The image search could be enhanced by taking it beyond surrounding-word analysis, perhaps by using a wavelet-decomposition index or other method of indexing by actual image contents. Perha
Re:*shrug* (Score:2, Interesting)
What I was getting at in my original post was that everyone seems to think that as soon as Google touches something, it's immediately made amazing. Not true! They ruined Deja News for a _loooong time_ (Have you seen their latest beta for groups? Still needs work).
In addition, we, as users, need to keep asking for new features and creating a _DEMAND_ for good products. I send in bugfixes & feature requests several times per week on Gmail. I think that Gmail is far and away _the best
Funny thing.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Funny thing.. (Score:5, Insightful)
When microsoft "expands" we all bitch and whine, but then google goes out and devours companies and services, and its suddenly "cute".
It is because:
There was other point - you don't trust your data to Google. But since introduction of GMail this is no more true
Re:Funny thing.. (Score:2, Funny)
It is because:
1. Google services just works and are not famous for their bugs and instability
Yep, and *they* know how to close italic tags too...
One more thing... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:One more thing... (Score:2)
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Re:Funny thing.. (Score:5, Funny)
How strange.
Re:Funny thing.. (Score:3, Insightful)
1. google is relatively new, and is still expanding.
2. There isn't any new upcoming companies that google has tried to smother (or at least hasn't been know to)
3. Because google still isn't so big as to be deemed a giant monothlith. I think its too early right now for google to have any antagonists. I think for any company to be regarded "evil", it first has to permeate enough businesses/industry segments, and attain that critical mass that overpowers people.
4. And finally, I th
Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)
You may have noticed (or you may not have, if you don't use IE) that when ou conduct a search w/o the google toolbar, sometimes the toolbar ad will appear at the bottom of the page, and sometimes it doesn't.
Further, there are actually two toolbar ads (one with folding-at-home, and one without) that are selected at random as well.
I'm not really sure why goold chooses random distribution of its products. But at least they are consistent.
And it does help to keep their w
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Q: When will they start being evil? (Score:5, Insightful)
How many of you (probably would have to be not-so-wet behind the ears) have joined a truly excellent company, gotten your hopes up that "This is the company to last the rest of my career!" -- it's that good -- only to watch it go psycho when the board decides to take it public?
No, the madness doesn't happen overnight. You slowly begin hearing about the symptoms as the pressure begins... "But it's the end of the month! This (shit) has to ship!", etc.
Sad, but true and (by my experience) inevitable. I wish there were no rules which forced a company to commit what is essentially "fiscal lobotomy".
Re:Q: When will they start being evil? (Score:3, Interesting)
I am impressed (Score:3, Informative)
Well.. (Score:5, Interesting)
It shouldnt come across as a surprise that google wants to build components/lines of business around their core strength - be it news, images, blogs or whatever else.
Though what they do need to watch out for is the acceptance, usability and and value provided by these tools in the long run (~5 years). We have all seen numerous examples of companies that had a killer product, but failed to replicate that success elsewhere.
Like someone else mentioned, their image searching capabilities aren't as desirable currently. I haven't been so impressed with google groups yet (though I've heard that's going to be revamped as well). And then there's news and email in beta... so yes, they do have a lot on their plate, and given the poor run of tech industry at the stock market, all eyes will be on them!
Re:Well.. (Score:2)
You can have a look at what Google are doing with their new version of Groups via the Groups 2 beta [google.com]
From what I've seen, it's basically putting something like Yahoo groups on top of the existing Usenet-archive system they're running, with some interface changes that are shared with GMail (e.g. putting a star on threads so they can be tracked easily, single sign-in for GMail and Groups.)
I'm not sure this is a great idea unless there it is obvious what is a Usenet newsgroup and what is solely a Google gro
Re:Well.. (Score:2)
However, it was pointed out that, when the users post, their post was not correct submitted/sent to the actual newsgroup (or perhaps not on the same day/date, or not in the correct thread, or was probably declined by the target newsgroup for whatever reason), and thus the user's would not receive any comments/responses.
And if
sp7zFh5.exe (Score:5, Interesting)
I think it is questionable coding practice to have obscurely named subprocesses running around wanting to get to the net.
Re:sp7zFh5.exe (Score:4, Informative)
Have the improved the Picasa software? (Score:5, Informative)
They also use to be a big spammer mainly doing it on usenet, go ridance to that part of them.
My Google Picasa review (Score:5, Informative)
Overall I like it. It's very similar to Adobe Album, except the interface is more minimalistic and cleaner. Compared to Album 2.0 Picasa is a real speed daemon on my older Athlon 800Mhz, 512MB RAM, machine. Album chugs in both the thumbnail view and viewing a single picture full-screen is atrociously slow, easily the slowest image viewing program I've seen in years. I mean you can see the damn thing loading the pictures progressively as if it was downloading the pictures. Adobe should buy the ACDSee viewing engine or something. Picasa is pretty slow at importing stuff but after that it's real speedy.
One thing I like is that you don't have to use the import feature in Picasa as you do in Adobe Album. You simply mark folders to be watched for changes and the program figures out new additions for itself. Album never does this for me, I have to manually run import every damn time I've imported new images with Photoshop or some other application.
What I don't really like is that Picasa uses your real folders on your HD for categorizing images, and it likes to place picasa.ini files all over the place. It's ok, but the Album way of attaching metadata, very rapidly attaching labels, and allowing a picture to be in multiple categories is in my opinion superior as you can perform very neat queries on the data. On the other hand, most users probably never use either categorizing feature and just dump everything in one place. Heck, I do too, I have about 6GB of uncategorized pictures at the moment and I'm not about to sort them anytime soon. In that sort of usage Picasa is probably better since the thumbnail view is much more responsive.
It's got some newbie friendly features like mailing (and automatically resizing the pictures to some predetermined max resolution, no more 10MB attachments from Mom) pictures that my parents might use. Unlike Adobe Album Picasa works perfectly with Mozilla Mail or Thunderbird. For some reason the slideshow feature looks like total ass. I'm guessing the interface is done in some fixed resolution and it's scaling it up (poorly) to my 1600x1200 resolution.
Overall I like it. The download is small and it doesn't try to hijack your system in any way. Unlike other software it didn't even want to associate itself with every picture extension known to man.
Data checks in, but it never checks out? (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, I got all excited because Google is putting out their
AskJeeves? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the person who wrote this really understands Google's business. Google for the most part has been buying up innovative technologies which require relativley low overhead to run or integrate. I don't view AskJeeves as innovative, and don't view AOL as low overhead by any means.
I know this is nitpicking a small relativly not important part of the article, but it lept out at me as a "huh?" section.
-Pete
It has a point... (Score:2)
Basically what AOL did when they merged with TimeWarner... who got the best in that deal ?
Hell, buy Ford and turn them round as a hobby.
I'm Concerned (Score:3, Interesting)
Then came GIS, which still focuses on the main business, then came the toolbar which starts encroaching on the PC/ browser, then came IRC search... can you see where I'm heading
Which other company can we think of who add more and more functionality to an existing product... as long as this doesnt effect Googles core business, no problem, but this is very rarely the case.
Will we even recognise Google in 5 years time (or less)
Re:I'm Concerned (Score:2, Interesting)
Dunno if that was a typo or not, but thats news to me..
Any info on that you could share?
Sorta looks like... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sorta looks like... (Score:2, Informative)
Look at me! I'm a Troll! (Score:3, Interesting)
That said, Google is starting to get big. Really big.
As in big enough to throw it's weight around big. I'm not opposed to this, in fact I'd be first in line (or rather as close to the front as I could get) for a Google IPO, but at what point does the whole competition getting squashed thing become a concern?
I'll say it again, I love Google.
googledot anyone? (Score:2)
this is nothing. I want to see more (Score:4, Interesting)
What Google needs to do is extend what it is offering and blow MS out of the water. If more companies join then MS will have to start playing fair or die.
Google, please
1. package Firefox 1.0 with added features as the GoogleFox browser
2. make Picasa run on Linux and Mac
3. offer an IM ala Jabber that allows us to get email notification like MSN Messenger does.
4. extend your Gmail offering to other people than the limited bunch currently seen
Then and only then will Google's offerings be competing with MS. All of this can be done very cheaply and unless Google get's moving MS will crush them with Marketing power and their market power.
Re:this is nothing. I want to see more (Score:2)
Google (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Google (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google (Score:5, Funny)
Whta?
Re:Google (Score:2, Informative)
*Yes, yes, only parts of it. I am aware of the other parts. No need to be nostalgic and bring up gopher or be nit-picking and bring up ssh et cetera.
Re:Google (Score:2)
Only MS-Windows support, move along (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Only MS-Windows support, move along (Score:2, Interesting)
desktop Integration? (Score:2)
The differ
Re:desktop Integration? (Score:2)
Software Giant in the making? (Score:3, Interesting)
Google is competing with Microsoft, and using their own operating system against them!
Restrictions? (Score:2)
tnx.
Web APIs (Score:5, Informative)
The Yahooization of Google (Score:5, Insightful)
Back in 1997, Yahoo was the cool kid on the block, and was both buying and building every feature under the sun. People lapped it up, and thought it was wonderful to have all their internet needs under one umbrella. Then, reality set it. Yahoo stopped enhancing and in some cases (Yahoo Groups) even maintaining the services. Quality has deteriorated, and the once proud Yahoo brand had withered and crumbled into what is now the K-Mart of the internet.
I guess Google wants to be the Wal-Mart.
Picasa Schmicasa (Score:5, Informative)
I wound up buying iMatch [photools.com] for categorizing/organizing my photos. It's an awesome tool. If you're a windows user on Slashdot, and want to organize your photos, it's probably the software for you.
I literally tried dozens of programs over the span of a week or so, and found fault with each one - until I found iMatch. I was so impressed with it's abilities, I bought it less than a day into my 30 day trial.
Just in case google.com gets slashdotted... (Score:5, Funny)
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-Adam
Improved blogging tools? (Score:4, Informative)
If Picasa includes the ability to create online photo galleries, linked to a user's Blogger account so he can publish them on his blog, then it would be quite neat. Otherwise, I don't see what this announcement has to do with blogging tools.
Re:Improved blogging tools? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Nice Editorial Work, Michael.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So let's see... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:So let's see... (Score:2, Informative)
Privacy on the net (Score:3, Insightful)
Especially on the internet.
Not to mention through a third party product that doesn't come with some reasonable expectation of privacy such as e-mail (in which case you would still have to trust that the recipient doesn't forward the information to others).
I think rather than getting 'scared' of Google, perhaps getting scared of your own actions would be the proper recourse. If you realize that you made some pretty
Re:So let's see... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is not insightful - it's a total troll. How is it Google's fault that things you've said show up in searches for your name? That's the point of a search engine. If you say stupid things on the Internet, they're going to be visible whether Google is there or not. Th
Re:So let's see... (Score:4, Insightful)
Your comment is 100% FUD. Suddenly it's bad that Google is archiving newsgroups? It's not only Google's fault that you posted binaries in the first place, and that you were too dumb to use X-no-archive, but that you can't figure out how to follow their procedure [google.com] for removing old posts?
And why do you put the word "offer" in scare quotes? Are you implying it's not really an offer, it's something else of unknown malevolence? Look. Google is, above all, a business, not a public service. Yes, they may do unknown, evil twisted things with your email. Poring through it with their grubby little computers, applying their sick, patented algorithms to search for phrases, using your most private thoughts for nefarious adword-enabling purposes. Those bastards!!11!! But hey, here's a clue. Don't sign up for GMail if that's your concern. End of story. There's no reason why their behavior should start to "really disquiet and annoy" you unless you have one of those psychological compulsions that prevents you from turning down free shit.
Maybe you shouldn't post here either. You might say something you regret in 20 years. Oh, too late [slashdot.org]!
Re:So let's see... (Score:2)
Well, when a website goes 404, can you keep using the Google cache?
'nuff said...
Re:So let's see... (Score:2)
Well of course, your email is private (although that's debatable), and Google isn't supposed to index any of it. But all the same, I don't like the concentration of easily cross-referenceable data into the hands of one company, as good as it ap
Re:So let's see... (Score:4, Informative)
The same thing is true of pretty much any webmail service, though.
Re:I seen this (Score:2)
Re:Picasa doesn't work on my Mac :P (Score:3, Funny)