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Mass Migration/Bughunt For Thunderbird Tuesday 208

Posted by timothy from the good-seats-are-still-available dept.
maggeth writes "mozillaZine is spreading the word of a plan to have a mass migration of users from other email clients on this coming Tuesday in order to find any remaining bugs in the migration process. 'Bring your Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, Outlook Express, and Communicator e-mail clients with you and join us on IRC for a day of testing the Thunderbird migration features. The goal is to get as many testing migrations performed on as many clients and as many operating systems as possible and to discuss and record all the problems in Bugzilla.' Read the full article for more details and for the IRC location."
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  • It was probably a old version of mozilla but I lost every single email and the addressbook, should still be there and the person involved is more of a write it down on a bit of paper than use the PC's addressbook feature anyway :)

    • Re:Migrated from Mozilla to Thunderbird... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 07, 2004 @08:04PM (#9911122)
      How about Thunderbird Windows to Thunderbird Linux?

      Why is there not a way to import Thunderbird mailboxes? You can try moving the profile by hand, and in doing so get a completely unusable email client.

      I would like to "Export to archive", and giving the options for archive email folders [option to skip junk], address book, pop/smtp settings, Signatures, all to a *single* .tgz. Leave out the "profile bits" like theme.

      This file should be importanble cross platofrm by all Thunderbird clients.

      All it would take would be a single xml file to "describe" the contents of the tar file, where you have most [cross platform bits] of your profile directory.

      • Good idea, but I'd like to take it a step further and make a "Browse to Profile" button so when I have a dual boot machine I can mount the Windows partition and use the same profile for both installs.
        • I'll second that! That is one feature that is sorely needed. Ditto for the browser. Fortunately, I set up an IMAP server down at work so at least the messages are the same between the two boots. But I still have to replicate the Filter Rules between both Thunderbirds. Very annoying.
        • While we're at it, Firefox could do with that option too. Burried deep within the settings dialog would be fine, since most people won't need to use it.

          That would be ideal for me too, since I mainly use Firefox on Solaris at work, and sometimes on a Windows box where I can mount my Solaris home dir via Samba.

      • Thunderbird stores messages / folders in mbox format which is used by a bunch of other clients. Instead of moving the mail directory multiple times, move it to a place where all the mail clients you use can read/write to. I have mail clients set up on multiple machines which use the same mail directory on a remotely share/export/partition (external USB drive in my case).

        In thunderbird, Tools > Account Settings > Server Settings (for each account) > Local Settings

        Change that value to the share/e

  • It'll fail (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Saturday August 07, 2004 @05:47PM (#9910583) Journal
    to import folders with a '/' in the name.

    To lazy to jump through the hoops of bugzilla.

    • Re:It'll fail (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BrookHarty ( 9119 )
      I'm using thunderbird on gentoo sparc linux with my exchange server via IMAP. Works great, not 1 single problem.

      Of course, I like the look of Evolution better, shiny buttons..

      On windows, been using thunderbird since it came out. (Netscape->Mozilla->Thunderbird) Been pretty easy, except that one time I told thunderbird to delete that profile I wasnt using. DOH!

    • Re:It'll fail (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Can someone tell me why this 3 year old bug will STILL keep anyone from migrating from Eudora [mozillazine.org]???

      As in, all HTML email is broken on the import, just because some jackass(es) think this "isn't their problem." If it's not Thunderbirds' problem, whose problem is it? You expect a normal user to download a PHP or Perl script to fix the broken import process? Yeah, right. People with this attitude (it's not that rare) in open source projects should be told thanks for their contributions, but your efforts are no lo

      • Re:It'll fail (Score:4, Informative)

        by Myen ( 734499 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @09:45PM (#9911475)
        Please see bug 3157 on bugzilla.m.o

        Fix was chcked in near 2004-07-16 - any nightly / milestone after that should work (excluding the security updates; that's from different code)
        • Too bad that 1.7.1 was released before that, which only leaves beta stuff with working Eudora import. Anyway, bug 3157 contains some perl script (replace.pl) which for me resolved the issue. Check it out if you want to use a non-beta version of Moz and still get your Eudora E-Mail over.

          http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3157 [mozilla.org]
          (Clicking the link won't work from /. - copy to location bar!)
      • People with this attitude (it's not that rare) in open source projects should be told thanks for their contributions, but your efforts are no longer needed, and shown the door.

        That's a pretty stupid idea. Do you know anything about how (and why) open source development works? People code because they like it. If somebody doesn't feel like coding something, you're suggesting that the Mozilla project should make them unwelcome, and not accept the code they DO feel like writing?

        If you want something done
      • _Possibly_ if someone sent you an obnoxious email, that person shouldn't be doing user-relation management; that is, maybe they shouldn't be answering whatever public address you asked on.

        That's kindof unrelated to accepting or not accepting their code.

  • Hmm... (Score:5, Funny)

    by JoeLinux ( 20366 ) <joelinux@ g m a i l . c om> on Saturday August 07, 2004 @05:49PM (#9910592)
    Sort of like Bug-Stock. A day-long festival of software, testing, and resolution.

    Sort of like Woodstock, except without all the kick-ass music, sex, drugs and alcohol. Hmm...never mind.

    Continual thought process in Doom3: "Where is the bad-guy going to pop up next? bullets be damned, I'm running out of clean shorts!"

  • Back up your messages! (Score:1, Informative)

    by Jtf ( 545570 )
    If you plan to participate in this. Please remember to back up your email in case something goes wrong.

  • Too slow and no YEnc! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by applef00 ( 574694 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:04PM (#9910665) Homepage
    I tried Thunderbird, but as a newsreader it sucked. Didn't handle multipart messages very well at all and had no support for YEncode (I don't care that it's not an official standard--it's a defacto standard which is extremely widely used and that's what counts). Without YEnc support, it's basically useless to me as a newsreader. It was also just too damned slow.

    I love Firefox, though! Great browser. Small, fast, etc., etc. Thunderbird just needs some more work before it's really there, IMO.
    • Google for yproxy (brawny lads)

      Its a windows (so might not work for you) yenc proxy. Works like a charm for me and its free!!

      • Or use relay-yEnc (http://ziberex.dk/ENG-yEnc.htmI). It's a news proxy that does yenc encoding on the fly. It's also great to use in an organisation, where it will give you a single point to allow news data to/from. You can firewall the rest.

    • Re:Too slow and no YEnc! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Magila ( 138485 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:46PM (#9910844) Homepage
      I don't think thunderbird was ever meant to be a alt.binaries.* downloader, there's plently of other readers made specificaly for downloading warez from usenet.
      • Sorry but Yenc is a standard feature that pretty much every newsreader has these days. Pan, Xnews, Dialog, Agent all have yenc, why doesn't Thunderbird. Oh right...warez...*cough*....yea great reason.

        Anyway the parent is right. Thunderbird makes a lousy newsreader and its filtering capabilities downright stink. I know they are currently targeting the home user who does nothing but send and receive email but it really needs to offer more if its ever going to become popular among business users and especiall

    • Re:Too slow and no YEnc! (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's only a pedantic point, but Thunderbird does actually support YEnc. However, as you say, it doesn't work with multiparts (including messages in YEnc multipart format with only 1 part), so the support isn't much use...

  • Thunderbird on TheOpenCD (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HenrikOxUK ( 776979 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:07PM (#9910677) Homepage
    Rumor is that Thunderbird and Firefox are hidden away somewhere on the soon to be released version of TheOpenCD [sunsite.dk]. This special edition (1.4.1) will be handed out to an unsuspecting public at 17 different locations around the world (and counting) on Software Freedom Day [softwarefreedomday.org], August 28th along with a custom version of Knoppix. About 10.000 copies are being produced. The new edition might even be out by Tuesday ...
  • mozillaZine is spreading the word of a plan to have a mass migration of users from other email clients on this coming Tuesday in order to find any remaining bugs in the migration process.

    Somewhere at a car company...

    Engineer 1 - "Hey, our new car may burst into flames if people try to drive it."

    Engineer 2 - "I know... let's get as many people to drive it as possible so we can see what the problem is!"

    • It's time to play... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Flower ( 31351 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:49PM (#9910865) Homepage
      FIND! THE! FALLACY!!!!! <applause>

      Today's example comes from /. regular Kenshin with the mighty, mighty low ID of 43036! Here he tries to compare a volunteer software bug hunt with yet another deeply flawed automotive analogy. So let's get started and bring in some contestants from our studio audience to play....

      FIND! THE! FALLACY!!!! <cue to commercial>

  • cross platform offline e-mailing (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ongeboren ( 734626 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:27PM (#9910756)
    I'm actually interested in reading the same e-mails on my dual-boot machine (windows + linux). It's very time consuming to have to switch to linux to find some important e-mail, because you have it in your linux e-mail client.

    As mozilla is a cross platform application, it should be able to work with the same offline e-mails.. lets say stored in a fat32 partition, so we could write to it from linux as from windows.

    Any suggestions how to do this?

    • I'm actually interested in reading the same e-mails on my dual-boot machine (windows + linux). It's very time consuming to have to switch to linux to find some important e-mail, because you have it in your linux e-mail client.

      If you ISP's mailserver offer IMAP, then you can access the e-mail from both linux/windows since the e-mail is stored on the server. You might run out of space on the server if you get many e-mails and don't delete so often. Several e-mail clients can be configured to download the

      • Re:cross platform offline e-mailing (Score:4, Informative)

        by Osty ( 16825 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @07:08PM (#9910959)

        If you ISP's mailserver offer IMAP, then you can access the e-mail from both linux/windows since the e-mail is stored on the server. You might run out of space on the server if you get many e-mails and don't delete so often. Several e-mail clients can be configured to download the entire message, in case the mailserver is not accessible.

        Better yet, get yourself a cheap old computer, set it up with linux, a good MTA (exim, postfix, qmail), an imap server, and fetchmail. Use that machine to fetch all of your mail from your ISP, in which case it won't matter if the ISP uses POP3 or IMAP. Then set up your mail clients on your dual-boot box to point to your local mail cache instead of your ISP. You can even setup the mail clients to use the local server to send mail, if you like. There'll be a small delay in receiving mail this way, though you can setup fetchmail to poll more often if you like, but I've never found that to be a problem. Finally, you can also setup a good spam solution like SpamAssassin and solve your spam problems in a single place rather than relying on the varying spam features of your different email clients (assuming they even have spam features, unlike a lot of console-based clients like pine or mutt).


        There are more benefits for running your own server like this, too. It doesn't have to function solely as a mail machine. You could install Squid and an ad-killing plugin like AdZapper, and use the box as a web proxy. You could setup NAT and a DHCP server and have yourself an internal network that will support N clients, all with ineternet access, without having to buy a pre-packaged router (and you can do this with a single dialup connection, if you can't get broadband -- I don't know of any consumer routers you can buy that will dial on demand for you). You can firewall your entire internal network from a single point. You could add a wireless access point for cheaper than it would cost to buy a wireless router, plug it into a port on your switch, and have an instant wireless network. Setup samba and have an internal file share network. The sky (and hardware you have available) is the limit!

        • Not to kill your point, but Actiontec has a 2-user 56K modem that swaps the WAN port for a 56K modem.
    • Quite easy to do, I used to do so when I had a Windows parition, run Thunderbird with the profile manager:

      Start > Run: thunderbird -ProfileManager (under Windows)
      $ thunderbird -ProfileManager (under Linux)

      Create a new profile, select a directory for the profile on a FAT partition, then create email accounts, and import email (if any).

      Now on the other OS, run Thunderbird with the profile manager again, create a new profile, select the same directory, you are set.

    • Re:cross platform offline e-mailing (Score:4, Informative)

      by r.jimenezz ( 737542 ) <rjimenezh.gmail@com> on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:50PM (#9910870)
      Take a look at

      http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/share_mail.html [texturizer.net]

      HTH :)

      • I'd mod you guys informative if I weren't posting; I've been looking for a good way to do this for ages. (In fact, a separate FAT32 partition for data exists on my hard drive precisely so when I finally install a serious version of Linux, I can do this sort of thing.)

        Unfortunately, AFAICS, the approach on texturizer.net still leaves you with two separate copies of prefs.js, which aren't in sync. Your mail folders might be in the same place, which is certainly a good start, but I suspect some (but not all)

        • Texturizer's FAQ is outdated since Thunderbird 0.7 when it comes to the need to hand modify the paths in prefs.js. Thunderbird 0.7 and newer support relative profile directories so you no longer have to hand-modify the prefs.js with new paths everytime you move the profile around, which also means you can load a windows-generated profile directly in the linux version of Thunderbird without making a single hand-modification to prefs.js. All you have to do is start thunderbird with the "-P" option and point
    • Either go into Accounts and edit the folder where mail is stored to point to the same folder, or use a symlink to have the "Mail" subdirectory in your profile point to the same place.
    • AKA: get a real mail server
    • I use IMAP for all my mail needs - I know, it's a perfect solution to a problem you didn't ask about, but it's still an option. I found I was moving from one computer to another, logging on from websites, various webmail clients, and so on. Eventually, I gave up on moving my e-mail from one computer to another and back, and set up an IMAP server. The reason this works, of course, is that I have a server I can run it on that isn't affected by my constant moving.

      Perhaps if you have a friend with a stable ser

  • Don't forget to install enigmail too! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Nelson ( 1275 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:28PM (#9910760)
    Get it here [mozdev.org] and PGP/GPG all your messages, at the very least start signing them.

  • How about from Thunderbird on another HD? (Score:4, Informative)

    by sahonen ( 680948 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:30PM (#9910769) Homepage Journal
    I recently upgraded my computer from 98 to 2000 on another hard drive. Took me forever to figure out how to get my old email into Thunderbird on the new hard drive. Shouldn't this be just slightly easier?

  • Palm Sync (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cloudscout ( 104011 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:34PM (#9910782) Homepage
    If only it could sync with Palm and/or PocketPC. I could get a lot more people to switch to it.
  • When you migrate Mozilla Mail users to Thunderbird.
  • We've gone and slashdotted mozilla. You think they'd have this figured out by now...

    While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?
    The following error was encountered:
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  • Mozilla and Thunderbird, and Netscape Communicator before that, all use the mbox mail format. What this means is that importing mail stored as mbox should be decently easy on all three of those. You might have to do some steps manually, but it'll work.

    However, I'm pretty sure they're wanting to test out the automated importers, which is all a consumer wants to use anyway :)

    As always, remember to backup your emails before beta testing like this.

  • "mass migration of users " and "join us on IRC" (Score:3, Funny)

    by cliveholloway ( 132299 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @06:52PM (#9910886) Homepage Journal

    Talk about preaching to the converted! And how is this going to work???

    Geek - "Get rid of crappy Outlook. Come join us in a mass migration to Thunderbird!"

    Marketing Droid - "Err, OK, what do I do?"

    Geek - "Just join us on IRC channel #mozmigration on smug.geek.com"

    Marketing Droid - "Err, yeah, right"

    Talk about Oxymoronic. Of course, I can't RTFA coz it's slashdotted, so ignore the above if I'm missing something.

    cLive ;-)

  • Love to. I'll just export all my contacts from OS X's Address Book into multiple vCard format, then import them into Thunderbird using...

    Err....what? It can't import vCards from files? Ah. Migration over then for this season.

    Bugzilla link here (they don't accept Slashdot as a referrer:
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79709

    And yes, that's me at the bottom of the report offering to help out if someone will talk me through the build process on OS X - I get nothing but errors trying to build

  • Please fix Outlook import (Score:4, Informative)

    by lelitsch ( 31136 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @07:03PM (#9910929)
    I'd migrate to Thunderbird in a second and take a lot of colleagues with me if only it would finally not crash when trying to import nontrivial amounts of email from Outlook (not Outlook Express). Thunderbird is fine up to a few thousand messages, but anyting larger gets you a never ending onslaught of error messages.

    • I too have had errors migrating from both Outlook and Outlook Express. I plan to be part of this bash.

      Also, when importing from Outlook it would be nice to be able to integrate, instead of keeping the Outlook Address Book and mail folders separate from the native T-Bird ones. I want migrate and dump Outlook. Why do I need two separate trees within Thunderbird?

  • Better support for going to and fro would be nice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @07:10PM (#9910967)
    Just finished moving my mom to Thunderbird... from Mozilla mail. Some of the folders came from Kmail (standard unix mailbox format imported into Kmail from Outlook, it's a long story), and I used a CD to move them, meaning they had the read-only bit set without me realizing it (I forgot, sue me). Still, for reasons I cannot fathom, Mozilla Mail stopped displaying mail in about half the folders, even after clearing the read-only bit. The messages where there (I could see them in Thunderbird), they just didn't show up in Mozilla. I got everything working under Thunderbird, and tried copying over the Mail folder, no dice. Heck, on one of the folders I can see one message and nothing else. It's a real mess. At the momemt I've got her mail shortcut launching Thunderbird instead of Mozilla mail, but it really bugs me, since don't know if the mail is gonna stop working.
  • Importing with newer Netscape (and probably Mozilla) email clients involves manually copying files from one folder to another. It seems ridiculous.
  • New version means a new download, new uninstall and new install. I wish that Mozilla could check for updates and download just the applicable files.

  • Keep in mind... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Keep in mind that Thunderbird still has no option to display the email as it is received, without markup of any sort. It uses graphical quote markers (instead of the standard ">") changes *texttext* to *textext*, and grays out signatures and links it believes are part of signatures. This causes half the messages in a long email digest to be unreadable if someone in the middle uses the standard "-- " sig delimiter.

    Until there are options to turn off this text markup and show me the email as it was rece

    • View / Message Body as / Plain Text? Seems to work for me. No graphical quotes as you describe. Don't have any examples like you describe. Seems to be a sticky choice, so you only have to pick it once.
  • Will I be able to automatically migrate from my old copy of Pine [washington.edu]?

    I'm half serious on this, actually. At some point I went all "eye candy" and I do most of my work with pretty GUIs and such. And I still have to open pine in a terminal window and it looks weird.

    • "Will I be able to automatically migrate from my old copy of Pine?"

      I had already finished a relatively brainless and trouble-free "migration" from Outlook to Thunderbird, and because Thunderbird stores mail using standard mbox format, I had little trouble moving from Thunderbird to mutt. If you're using Pine, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to alternate between Pine and Thunderbird as you see fit.

      Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about, but if this helps the folks at Thunderbird work out litt

  • Why Not to Switch...yet (Score:4, Interesting)

    by blahbooboo2 ( 602610 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @09:16PM (#9911377)
    I am a big fan of Mozilla Firebird, and I am starting to play with Thunderbird. HOWEVER, what makes me hesitate using Thunderbird is that once you go to Thunderbird and if you don't like it you can't go back to your old program. Why? Because there is no export ability of your messages and address book, nor do any other major programs import these two items from Thunderbird. Please correct me if I am wrong as I would love to give Thunderbird a serious try.
    • Thunderbird stores emails in mbox/mbx format, which is just a plain text file. Many email clients and even some mail servers use this format and converters exist as well. So although there's no export feature, and few if any clients have specific features for importing from Thunderbird, moving your email over shouldn't pose serious difficulty. I had to research this because we're trying out Thunderbird where I work.
    • So just set Tbird to not delete mail from the POP server after retrieving it. Then you can pop your mail with both Tbird and your regular client. If you don't like Tbird just stop using it and go back to your old client, you won't have lost anything.

  • I migrated to from Outlook Express to Thunderbird about two months ago.

    This was just after I migrated from MS IE to Firefox 0.9. The motive was the serious security issues with Microsoft products. I also installed OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 to run all FOSS applications.

    Thunderbird did a fine job migrating. Of course, I started by backing up my mail folders to the home server. Thunderbird imported all my old mail without a problem, except that it fudged a "From " header for every message, with funny dates, su

  • I tried that on my laptop. Found I set Thunderbird to the default email client, and it needed Outlook as the default email client in order to migrate.

    The Outlook Calendar, Tasks, and Notes apparently did not migrate. I do not think that Thunderbird has support for those yet. Which leaves me stuck between using Thunderbird and Outlook.

    Also missing in Thunderbird is the virus vault feature of AVG Antivirus, which works with Outlook, but has no support for Thunderbird.

    Also missing was the Intergration or synching with my Cell Phone, PalmOS device, and iPaq, I fond Thunderbird was missing these as well.

    Also missing was integration with my Timex Datalink watch, no support for that either.

    Thunderbird was not able to migrate accounts I use in Hotmail with Outlook XP(2002). I heard there may be an external program for that to convert Hotmail into POP3, but from what I read of it, it was still in beta and not properly tested.

    GPG using Engimail or whatever it was called, did not work properly. I am not sure what went wrong, but I am unable to encrypt and decrypt messages. I cannot get GPG working with Outlook either, and I have to fall back to PGP. I have the latest version of GPG, but it says it cannot find my private keys, despite me loading them, and creating a new one just in case, it still reports they are missing. Fbog! I think this is more of a GPG problem than a Thunderbird one.

    Should I ever decide to read/write a MS-Exchange account, will Thunderbird ever support that?

    Thunderbird junk mail treats each account seperately. I use Spambayes with Outlook which learns from all the email accounts and can filter spam on account B by learning from account A.

    Also the email rules only work on one email account, I have to create duplicate rules for each email account (I have four POP3/SMTP accounts) to filter mail just right. Also I am confused as to what SMTP server it uses to send mail. I am not yet sure how to pick one, it seems to use the same SMTP server for each account, this may be seen as possible Spam by Spam filters, until I can figure it out.

    So I am stuck with Outlook until Thunderbird can properly address these issues.
  • Something I've noticed in trying to install on others' computers is that you can import mail, prefs, etc from many other clients... except Mozilla Mail. What's up with that?

  • Pegasus (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rueger ( 210566 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @10:34PM (#9911634) Homepage
    Well to start with it appears that there no way to move several years of Pegasus [pmail.com] data into Thunderbird. In terms of features, it seems to have less than Pegasus, as well as lacking some things that I would really like - such as an integrated hot-syncable calendar and easy filter setup. (which I admit Eudora does pretty well).

    My guess is that Thunderbird will eventually approach the feature set that is available elsewhere, and I may move over to a Firefox/Thunderbird combo, but it'll be a while yet.

    • Re:Pegasus (Score:3, Informative)

      by gdav ( 2540 )
      The best workaround I have found is to set up Mercury, point that at your Pegasus data, and temporarily add an extra Imap server to Thunderbird (which actually points at localhost running mercury).

      Then when you've finished moving things around, get rid of Mercury and the associated server entry in Thunderbird.

  • Necessity (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Cokelee ( 585232 ) on Saturday August 07, 2004 @10:44PM (#9911671)

    In order for Thunderbird to be something it is going to have to do something very well that no other mail client does.

    I suggest full, complete, and amazing integration with GPG/PGP. In such a way that *every* user can make use of it. I'm talking "as a part of the intro wizard"-easy.

  • Users stick to Outlook because of the Outlook Calendar in many cases.
    "Sunbird" just sucks ass.

    Where are the plans to address this and create a triumphant calendar component?

    I've switched a few users over - but they all complain about how much better the Outlook calendar is. At least with Outlook they can send/receive invitations and add them to the calendar easier.
  • I can't migrate my users from Outlook to Tbird because (among other things) Outlook can tell you who you replied or forwarded the email to and when; Tbird/IMAP can only say "replied". Duh yeah, good audit trail.

    Not quite ready for prime time business use yet.

    And of course you import the mail and leave behind the calendar (linked to the mail), the notes (linked to the mail), the diary (linked to the mail)... hmm, I don't think they'll go for it.

    I use it myself & love it, don't get me wrong. But for
  • The one thing that OE does really well is lets you setup your accounts/identities in a very logical manner.

    Thunderbird was really close but not quite there last time I checked. I'll try again though.
  • I missed painfully an option to import mails and settings from Mozilla Mail. But there was no such option. You have to copy the data manually and change the config file with an text editor.

  • Tell it it Mulberry (Score:3, Interesting)

    by anser ( 224618 ) * on Sunday August 08, 2004 @07:27AM (#9912759) Homepage
    I use Firefox for browsing of course, and I keep checking and trying the various Mozilla.org mail/news client releases, but so far nothing touches Mulberry [cyrusoft.com] for ease of use and functionality with my IMAP mail stores.

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