Mozilla Releases Mozilla Sunbird 0.2 393
Gentu writes "Along with the new Mozilla-Japan initiative and the release of Mozilla 1.8a3 today, the Mozilla team released the first 'official' beta release of Mozilla Sunbird, version 0.2, a stand-alone calendaring application (similar to Apple's iCal). There are two flavors of this project, one that works as a ~700 KB plugin to Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla (titled Mozilla Calendar) and the ~8 MB stand-alone calendaring application, Mozilla Sunbird (rate the apps over at GnomeFiles.org). These builds are the first to feature a new default theme, a new logo and the customizable toolbar functionality. Note that Sunbird is still an experimental technology preview that contain bugs, but it is pretty stable."
Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe it'd be helpful for this to be an extension until they add it to Firefox and for Mozilla 1.7 users. The only thing you can do with M1.7 and FF0.9.3 is add a patch to it, but most people don't want to download and install Cygwin, then wait 1-3 hours for it to fully recompile. =S
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:2, Interesting)
Okay. Since when have Mozilla folks started to work around IE brokenness, and why?
I know many folks whine that there should be more this kind of features, but it sounds like a slippery slope, not to mention encourages writing MORE bad DHTML instead of fixing the existing.
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Informative)
Read the damn bug [mozilla.org] yourself. (Note: copy and paste the link, Bugzilla rejects visits from Slashdot.) It is not designed to encourage bad writing: support for document.all will ONLY activate if the web developer really was stupid and did not use any sort of test to detect it.
Additional discussion can be seen from the Mozillazine article [mozillazine.org] published weeks ago.
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:4, Insightful)
IMHO, it still encourages bad writing, it doesn't matter if it detectable or not, if stupid webmonkey foo knows broken feature bar is now working in another browser, then s/he's more likely to use it without testing.
Assuming stupid webmonkeys know Mozilla featureset is probably vastly overestimating the intelligence of quite a few in that lot, but
Nor does it probably actually help with anything, if someone is stupid enough to blindly use that, there are probably other equally stupid, non-supported things on that site as well.
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe since years of a hardline position on the point have resulted in a 2% marketshare?
Maybe they finally realized that in the big picture, the minor naming issue of "all[]" versus "getElementById()" wasn't worth getting their panties in a wad over -- especially relative to the bigger issue of XHTML/CSS versus Vendor HTML?
Either way, I welcome the new Realism over at mozilla.org.
not to mention encourages writing MORE bad DHTML
Almost everyone who actually writes Javascript understands that document.all is legacy. However, a huge portion of DHTML is just copy-n-pasted over-n-over again by Dreamweaver jockeys -- who barely understand programming much less standards nuances. Mozilla was trying to educate a group that is impossible to educate.
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:3)
The big knocks against Mozilla have been:
(A) Bloat -> Firefox
(B) Compatibility -> document.all was the biggie, but there's been many other IE DOM methods added.
They might not take over the world yet, but there's a lot of people that have been willing to download and try Mozilla but haven't 'converted' in the survey stats.
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (Score:5, Funny)
The former makes you go blind and the latter makes you wish you were blind...
Still lacks most important feature: useful alarms! (Score:4, Insightful)
See requirements here [mozilla.org]
and the tracker bug here [mozilla.org]. At the tracker bug, you can add your email to the CC, and put in a comment to let the developer's know that it is important to you!
In order for this
Re:Still lacks most important feature: useful alar (Score:5, Informative)
Minimize To Tray Extension [mozillazine.org]
The extension works pretty well for Firefox and Thunderbird, and if/when Sunbird allows extensions, it will be extended to work with that too. This of course means Sunbird/Calendar would always be running, able to send out alarms, but not taking up lots of room on the taskbar. At the moment, the minimize to tray extension is only for Windows, and it's not a perfect fix, but it may help out some people who just want any solution for this issue.
Re:Still lacks most important feature: useful alar (Score:3, Informative)
Re:what about HTML editor? (Score:3, Informative)
Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:3, Insightful)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:4, Funny)
Alas, at least we have since gotten a native build of firefox.
Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:3, Funny)
which will be followed by DiamondRing.
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:4, Funny)
Anyways, where do I go to place my bets on how long it will take for Sunbird to get renamed to Sunfox, Firesun, Sunfire, or Firefire?
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:3, Interesting)
Apparently so, considering they are only two programs.
(OT note: anyone know if it's possible to disable the ctrl+w shortcut in Mozilla? I use the Dvorak keyboard, on which w is right next to v, so I fairly regularily close the window instead of pasting... it's quite annoying)
Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (Score:2, Funny)
I have the same problem with a Querty keyboard, but then I'm a careless fat fingered freak. Don't blame the keyboard or application we're all friends here, feel the love, learn to adore your true self, and others will love you also.
Tarquin.
Angry people (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Angry people (Score:5, Funny)
Well what can you expect when the entire project is apparently named after a giant, fire breathing lizard?
Maybe the next project will be named GunFox?
Etymology of Mozilla (Score:5, Informative)
Intarweb folk history has it that the word Mozilla is a contraction of Mosaic [wikipedia.org]-Killer (with a nod to Godzilla, of course).
Re:Angry people (Score:5, Funny)
If the next app is SUVBird, we'll know for sure.
Or, if you wanna go rude, just TheBird
TheBird (Score:4, Funny)
Re:TheBird (Score:3, Funny)
NAME CHANGE (Score:4, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
They would, but... (Score:3, Funny)
I think they need to use different animals for each program though.
O'Reilly already patented that idea.
Re:NAME CHANGE (Score:3, Informative)
Glib answer: When someone releases Sunsomething [mozilla.org] as a plugin
no Palm support (Score:5, Informative)
Re:no Palm support (Score:5, Interesting)
I actually use yahoo's sync to backup by outlook contacts, calender, and to-do list. It's cheesy as hell, but it certainly does the job.
How can I publish my events on a remote server?
You can publish events from the calendar to an FTP server or a webDAV enabled webserver. You can also use the calendar to subscribe to these events as well.
If I can figure out what the heck a webDAV enabled webserver is, maybe I can drop yahoo...
Davak
Re:no Palm support (Score:2)
So far this seems like an excellent app.
Re:no Palm support (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.webdav.org/ [webdav.org]
Re:no Palm support (Score:5, Informative)
I think it works out of the box on Fedora as well.
Pretty much any modern web server can do webdav, or has a module that can do it.
Re:no Palm support (Score:5, Informative)
Sync support is planned eventually [mozilla.org], but some of us [multisync.org] are starting to look at it now.
Re:no Palm support (Score:3, Informative)
In fact, I'm surprised Slashdot hasn't made a separate story out of this fact yet ^_~
Can't sync my PDA with Mozilla software (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Can't sync my PDA with Mozilla software (Score:2)
I would be thrilled if the firefox/thunderbird/sunbird set could be sync'd with my palm in both windows and linux.
Not released (Score:2)
Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do. If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.
Sunbird X.X is released!
* Windows users can download an installer from here.
* Fedora users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'up2date sunbird' to always g
Re:Not released (Score:3, Informative)
> Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do.
And you didn't really finish your comment. What specific qualms do you have? Please clarify. And even better, please make sure a bug is filed at bugzilla.mozilla.org
> If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experi
Re:Not released (Score:3, Informative)
Strange math.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Strange math.... (Score:2, Insightful)
You can bet it'll be in a 5MB range when we'll see Sunbird 0.9
Re:Strange math.... (Score:3, Informative)
Firefox Installer (4.8M) + Plugin (700k) = Sunbird installer (5.9M) - Nightly/debug extras (400k)
Re:Strange math.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Strange math.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably for the same reason that the Firefox installer for windows used to clock in at about 17MB until just a few months ago...It hasn't been trimmed down and cleaned up yet. Considering this thing has just been announced you can't expect them to be working on final steps yet...
Re:Strange math.... (Score:3, Informative)
Lot of work coming from that direction (Score:5, Funny)
I mean wow, those are some productive developers... Kudos.
(though I keep on worrying that they'll slip out a kernel one of these days just to complete the operating environment... kernelzilla? mozillOS? Thunderbarf?)
Just kidding
Name the Mozilla OS (Score:2)
Calendar application that can reuse my Palm data? (Score:2, Insightful)
Mac rocks (Score:2)
Plug it into a modern Mac
Sync again
Voila!
Ridiculous names (Score:3, Insightful)
The names need to be somewhat related, descriptive, or have an explanation.
This isn't a car. It's a calendar application.
Re:Ridiculous names (Score:5, Insightful)
The sun also rises (Score:3, Insightful)
Spreadsheets have cells. ExCEL.
And a calendar has a cell for each time the sun rises. SUNbird.
As usual... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:As usual... (Score:5, Funny)
Renewable to-dos (Score:2, Funny)
And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (Score:5, Informative)
From their web site:
This is great news, and should help to promote both applications.
Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (Score:2, Interesting)
Mozilla project names currently in alpha (Score:5, Funny)
- Birdfire
- Sunfried
- Friedbird
- Furredbread
- Bunfriar
- Sunblurred
- Slurredbird
- Blurbird
- Boredslurred
- Slartibird
- Currybird
This will go a loooong way to convincing people to switch from silly and confusing Microsoft products! Er...It's got my vote (Score:4, Informative)
While there's nothing spectacular about the calendar tool it does do the job and so far it has been running without issue the last 5 days without requiring a restart.
I'm further delighted about this because it means I don't have to walk down the path of Evolution just to get a calendar. One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using
PLD.
Re:It's got my vote (Score:4, Informative)
One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using .mbx/mailbox files and move to something like what Sylpheed uses (1 file per email).
One possible reason for the .mbx is that NTFS is so freakin slow at operations involving many small files. ReiserFS rocks at it (as well as a couple other non-FAT/NTFS systems), but all the Windows people (>80% base) would be left wondering where all their speed went.
Now if MS would create a GOOD filesystem (see ReiserFS 4 - maybe they could just grab that!), it would be more feasable for those people with 3,000 e-mails that they don't want to bulk delete.
(btw - I work a helpdesk, I know about those people.)
Re:It's got my vote (Score:3, Interesting)
One message per file just seems like a huge step backwards. FidoNet had that, with the MSG format. It was unscalable, unworkable, and had big performance problems, which is why pretty much everyone migrated to another format, which kept all the mes
Possibly a very important project for Open Source (Score:5, Insightful)
One CEO even mentioned this to me. He loves Linux from what he has been shown/played with but finds it hard to lose the integrated calendar feature of Outlook. For him, that's what is holding back the adoption of Linux. Believe it or not, he hates the quality of Outlook. The only reason he is tied to it is because it is the only viable solution with the proper features.
The more we look at what our targeted users are using, the better off we will be. This is what Microsoft often does well. They look at who makes the decision to deploy their product, like any good company does, and tailor their product around that user.
I simply cannot believe that we, as an open source community, have not yet duplicated the todo/email/calendar application that managers so love (with good reason too, their jobs often involve quite a few meetings/action items/communications).
Hopefully this will fill the void of an integrated calendar/scheduling application (though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it
Re:Possibly a very important project for Open Sour (Score:2, Informative)
But wait! what's that over there, in the forested depths of germany?! It's KDE 3.3 Kolab! Marvel! (and slap forehead in horror at stupid "K" theme name).
http://kolab.org/images/shot-kde-client-calendar1. png [kolab.org]
Re:Possibly a very important project for Open Sour (Score:5, Informative)
Ximian Evolution is the Managerial, Outlook-esque product for Linux that you seem to be missing.
Re:Possibly a very important project for Open Sour (Score:3, Informative)
I find the calendar klunky.
Sunbird has no support for proxies - no worries! (Score:5, Informative)
Use the thunderbird/firefox calendar plugin instead
OR
Copy the network.proxy parts of your thunderbird/firefox prefs.js file into your sunbird prefs.js file.
Hah... (Score:2, Funny)
Mozilla in Japan (Score:2)
Another goddamn car name (Score:5, Funny)
Pontiac Firebird
Pontiac Sunbird
The Sunbird was an even crappier car than the Firebird. Think Cavalier+nasty plastic decorations.
I've been waiting for this to arrive for a while (Score:3, Insightful)
Aethera and Outlook also forced me to do this. But now, perhaps I can have the calendar app open without having it reminding me every 15 minutes that I wasn't connected to the internet.
Once again, I thank the mozilla group.
Cheers,
Adolfo
PS. Now, If I could just convince the Opera team to unbundle their chat and mail apps from their browser...
Get that name changed! (Score:3, Funny)
Open Contacts format (Score:4, Interesting)
On topic, good job to the Sunbird team... While I have to live in a multi-OS world, it's nice to have both windows and linux versions of these apps, makes syncing a realistic thing.
Re:Open Contacts format (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Open Contacts format (Score:5, Informative)
ISO Date Standard (Score:3, Insightful)
Great program, but why no freaking ISO date standard (2004-08-31) ? What is this American/British crap where you can't tell if it's DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY? grr...
Setting Sunbird Date Format (Score:3, Informative)
Don't forget Chandler (Score:5, Interesting)
sPh
Re:Don't forget Chandler (Score:3, Interesting)
take a look but at the moment is it worth it? problems in their development process [osafoundation.org] and technology [osafoundation.org] have appeared since I last looked at it post version 0.1. Will the Firebird+Sunbird combo make it irrelevant?
gecko (Score:3, Informative)
Why, for instance, do Firefox and Thunderbird each need their own Gecko? (Or don't they?)
Why is Sunbird a 700k plugin or an 8 meg (!) download?
Couldn't they install system-wide libraries? Wouldn't that make everything smaller, neater, even faster (less to cache when running firefox/thunderbird simultaniously)?
Re:gecko (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:gecko (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:gecko (Score:3, Informative)
Enquireing minds....... (Score:3, Interesting)
Navigator --------- CTRL-1
Mail & Newsgroups - CTRL-2
Composer ---------- CTRL-4
Addres Book  -- CTRL-5
Calander ---------- CTRL-8
divider
IRC Chat ---------- CTRL-6
Question is: what're slots 3 and 7 set aside for? What's "out there" still?
Re:Enquireing minds....... (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know about CTRL-7 though.
Why don't they sign these things? (Score:4, Interesting)
And people wonder why Open Source isn't taken seriously. I've touched on this topic before [slashdot.org], and while this isn't a security update [slashdot.org], it would really show that the Mozilla Team were showing a little professionalism...
Mark "Karma to Burn" Hood
Best option ever... (Score:3, Funny)
How can we get this goodness in every piece of software on the planet?
Re:Mozilla Japan (Score:5, Funny)
Prepare for a name change. I'm thinking "Pikascape" or "Mozachu"
Re:good news (Score:4, Informative)
Apple's using KHTML, pal. Nothing to do with Moz.
Linux+Moz, maybe.
-Erwos
Re:Has to be said (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Firebird .. Thunderbird .. Sunbird (Score:3, Informative)
Firebird is from the 60s, came out when the Camaro did, as a competitor the the original Mustang, so porbably 63-65 range.
Sunbird came out originally as the J2000 in the mid-80's, I forget when th
Re:So is it bad when install fails and then pegs c (Score:3, Informative)
The demo of this program was able to "undelete" them from my ntfs partition.
http://www.bitmart.net/r2k.shtml [bitmart.net]