Space-Age Houses 230
An anonymous reader writes "The dream of building the Jetson's Skypad Apartment may come to true because technology designed for space could become the basis of the
new German Antarctic station. The same ultra-light composites that ESA uses onboard its spacecraft for antennas and solar panels, will be used to make a self-supporting lightweight shell-like structure able to withstand severe earthquakes. This approach is in sharp contrast to many contemporary design solutions that use ever more steel and concrete..."
Space Age Refrigerator (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Space Age Refrigerator (Score:5, Funny)
"Toss me down a rope Marsha!"
"Not until you admit you were wrong!"
Re:Space Age Refrigerator (Score:5, Funny)
- Me, in 30 years.
Cow vagina and lentils (Score:3, Funny)
Rule 2: See rule 1.
Re:Space Age Refrigerator (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Space Age Refrigerator (Score:3, Interesting)
My aunt has one
Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh that is a good baseline! Not.
Actually the safty of the those buildings in Florida would have more to do with how well they are tied to a good foundation. 3 meters of flooding is a lot of water. There are two problems with them for normal houses.
1. Cost Carbon fiber is expensive compaired to concret block and wood trusses. Not to mention no one knows how well they will stand up to UV for the long term. Houses should last for at least 100 years.
2. Looks
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:4, Interesting)
I think "Looks" is the number one problem. People have been predicting plastic houses for ages; few have touched them. People feel comfortable in a shelter that "breathes", that feels "solid" and "heavy", etc. It just makes you feem more comfortable. Even people who opt for "nontraditional" houses (such as dome houses, like my aunt owns) have them built out of conventional materials. Plastic in general feels a bit too alien to live in; perhaps the carbon fiber reinforced plastic isn't as bad - I don't know.
Not to mention, imagine how much static electricty you'd build up scuffing along the floor/walls...
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2, Interesting)
The main problem with most plastics is that they have no part in the natural recycling process. That doesn't mean they are structurally intact for ages. Just take a peek at an old car with a cracked plastic dashboard if you think that all plastic is always long lived. Mind you, when you get specific, there are plastics that have a long life - but in and of itself, "as used in construction, plastic is more durable than wood
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Interesting)
In landfills they do. If you live anywhere in the south take a piece of plastic and set it outside in the sun for several months. A lot of them will get brittle and discolor.
As making a carbon-fiber house recycleable... Reuseable is better than recycleable. A house is a house is a house. You need walls, a roof, windows, and doors. Someone pointed out that dry wall and plywood only last so long. Well pl
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:5, Informative)
First, three meters of water is no big deal. Three meters of water hitting your house as a storm surge is a big fucking deal. Most houses on the coast are build on sand, under the cement. Sand is good. Makes a nice foundation...Until hurricane driven tides wash it and your heavy ass house away.
As for durability...Most modern houses aren't set to last anywhere near 100 years. Sheetrock and plywood only go so far.
Considering what a subdivision of stilt-houses looks like now, I don't see what the difference is. What looks weirder, a normal house on stilts or a house that looks like it's SUPPOSED to be on stilts?
Seems like a perfectly decent idea to me. Solar power is way underutilized on the coast, and god knows regular housing doesn't fare all that well.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Informative)
Should handle a nice combination of the worst weather of Florida, L.A., and New Orleans.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:4, Funny)
What nitwits voted my stupid article to 5, btw? :-)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder if this house flies through the air like a frisbee at those speeds. (It doesn't seem likely that it would be torn apart like normal houses are, it's too aerodynamic).
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2, Informative)
Cat 5 hurricanes can have wind speeds above 165 MPH.
That only 45 kph over the max rated wind speed.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:4, Informative)
History of Cat 5 hurricanes:
Hurricane Carla: This hurricane hit on September 10, 1961. It struck the Texas coast. About 500,000 people were evacuated from the area. Winds near the center of the hurricane were estimated at 150 miles per hour. Damage was about $2 billion (adjusted to 1990 dollars) and 46 people died.
Hurricane Betsy: This hurricane hit on September 8, 1965. It hit Florida first and then turned and hit the Louisiana coast. A total of 75 people lost their lives. The hurricane had winds as high as 160 miles per hour. In 1990 dollars, Betsy caused $6.5 billion of damage -- making it the third most costly hurricane in the U.S.
Hurricane Camille: This hurricane began on August 17, 1969. It was a Category 5 hurricane -- the most powerful rating, with winds as high as 200 miles per hour. The hurricane hit the U.S. Gulf Coast, but also caused flooding in Virginia. About 250 people died because of the hurricane and the flooding. It was the fifth most costly disaster in U.S. history, with damage of $5.2 billion (in 1990 dollars).
Hurricane Celia: This hurricane hit Texas on August 3, 1970 and caused $1.6 billion in damage (in 1990 dollars). Very high winds damaged an airport and demolished a nearby mobile home park, fortunately, only 11 people died.
Hurricane Gilbert: This hurricane hit on September 16, 1988. It was a Category 5 hurricane with winds as high as 160 miles per hour. It went through Jamaica, over the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico and came to the U.S. (Texas and Oklahoma) as a heavy rain storm. Damage in Mexico was many billions of dollars, and 318 people died.
Hurricane Andrew: This hurricane hit on August 24, 1992 in southern Florida. It then turned and hit Louisiana. More than a million people had to leave the area due to the storm. Heavy rains and tornadoes were part of the hurricane's destructive power. Andrew was the most expensive hurricane in the history of the U.S.
Hurricane Floyd: This hurricane, which struck in September 1999, brought so much rain that 13 states were issued federal disaster declarations -- more declarations for a single event than ever before. More than $500 million of federal money was spent on helping states recover. North Carolina was hit the hardest of any state.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
I'd certainly live in this SpaceHouse... my Florida home is concrete top to bottom, and only rated to withstand a Category 3-4 hurricane.
Not much difference. This concept is rated at winds of 220 km/h, or 137 mph, means this should survive the upper limit of Cat 3, and possibly Cat 4 if you are lucky [lsu.edu].
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Hurricane Carla: This hurricane hit on September 10, 1961. It struck the Texas coast.
I in Corpus Christi, but was too young to remember it. The rest of my family remembers that we were without power for a couple of weeks.
Hurricane Celia: This hurricane hit Texas on August 3, 1970 and caused $1.6 billion in damage (in 1990 dollars).
Still living in Corpus Christi, I was a teenager. We were without power for 10 days. No
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:5, Interesting)
The winds that hit my house were 140+ and in other areas in a direct path with the eye got even worse. San Juan metro area looked like Hiroshima afterwards. I never realized how many buildings there were with all the trees gone. But we don't have mobile homes where, and very little wood construction. Everything is concrete boxes.
Don't know what sort of building codes you have over there, but I'd pit my house against a category 5. Not like I'd like it, but I think we could handle it.
I guess since we live on an island, there's no place to evacuate to, so we've got build our houses tough.
Oh, please! (Score:3, Insightful)
TFA does not say that they advocate replacing ALL current building methods with this. If you did RTFA you would have noticed this:
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Also, somewhat resignedly, once a home does get shattered, it would be a little better to have shards that are light than those that are heavy, to avoid the shrapnel effect from these cyclonic storms.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
They could make them streamlined with a vertical axis that swivels like the Dymaxion House [hfmgv.org]. (Here's a couple [thefreedictionary.com] of links [thirteen.org] that discuss more with less pictures).
Then it'd probably withstand pretty much any level of wind--until something that wasn't streamlined (e.g., palm tree, SS Minnow, old lady on bicycle) slammed into it . . . .
Maybe advanced materials are what's needed to finally achieve Old Bucky's [worldtrans.org] goals (even though they suppo
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Interesting)
Tipping isn't the main problem. The problem is when one or two windows are broken, allowing airflow through the house. Once that happens, you start to generate lift, which rips roofs off of houses. This is why you're supposed to shutter your windows in a hurricane.
And as for "How often do you see 220 km/h winds?" angle, Hurricane Charley hit Florida with sustained winds over 230 km/h, with recorded gusts over 290 km/h on la
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:3, Interesting)
While this is true, you need to keep in mind that shaping the windows as part of a sphere makes them far stronger than those on a regular house. In addition, the aerodynamic shape allows airflow to pass over the structure instead of bearing t
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
This is yet another reason why landscaping is important. Surrounding your home with strategic bushes can help shape the entire homestead's aerodynamics (or should I say, "aerostatics"?). With some stepping with bushes and trees, the home could "look" more like a hill to high winds.
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2, Informative)
You are partially right. Lift occurs when you have a high-velocity fluid moving above an object while a lower velocity fluid is moving below the object. In the case of a roof in a hurricane, there can be over 200kph winds above with 0kph below resulting in tremendous lift. If air was allowed through the house at the same speed (assuming an a
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds perfect for Florida... (Score:2, Informative)
I'm pretty sure that's simply to keep the windows from breaking. A tornado's small size means you can get some truly vicious pressure differentials over a relatively short distance, and even if a tornado doesn't pass close enough by your house to knock it down, most modern houses don't leak air fast enough to avoid... well... explosive decompression.
And you would only open one side of th
What's cooler? (Score:5, Interesting)
I think this is the coolest part about the house, not the ultra-light composites. Think about never having to pay an utility bill again! Sure, you can do that for just about any house, but one that's built with self-sufficiency in mind is nice.
Re:What's cooler? (Score:3, Insightful)
Just like our empty dreams of VoIP causing the untimely death of the telcos I have a feeling that the utility companies would have nothing better to do than find a way to charge us for harnessing the sun's energy and recycling our drinking water.
Re:What's cooler? (Score:3, Interesting)
It helps the utilities by lowering their production costs, and it helps the home-owners by decreasing their usage.
The deal is that if you produce as much in a month as you consume, you pay nothing for service. Over the year, this is very unlikely, due to cloudy days and wintertime lack of sun.
Houses with electro-mechanical meters will literally spin
Re:What's cooler? (Score:4, Funny)
I thought about this so much, I even tried it. It was great until they shut my power off.
Re:What's cooler? (Score:2)
Space age? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Space age? (Score:2)
Re:Space age? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Space age? (Score:2)
shudder
Re:Space age? (Score:2)
We used to have a Xanadu house up in the Dells. It was neat, but I'm not sure if it was really all that practical. At the very least, the interior was much more... organic.
Re:Space age? (Score:2)
Re:Space age? (Score:2)
A friend just has his SPACE AGE (tm) HVAC system replaced because they couldn't find a compresser coil small enough and energy efficient enough to be installed today.
It definatly looked like it was from the space age, looking at (and inside) it.
The structure, ok, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The structure, ok, but... (Score:5, Funny)
Of course, if a huge crack opens in the earth, taking you to the Land of the Lost, all bets are off.
Re:The structure, ok, but... (Score:2)
shake that moneymaker!
Re:The structure, ok, but... (Score:4, Funny)
Low-rider Space Houses.
Thats why the Japanese built paper houses (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The structure, ok, but... (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, Europe sounds great. (Score:5, Funny)
Wha-aah? Wow, that backpacking trip through Europe is looking a lot less attractive than I thought. No wonder they tried so hard to discover new worlds!
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Antartic...Space? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Antartic...Space? (Score:2, Interesting)
the best feature... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:the best feature... (Score:3, Funny)
Seems like a money eater... (Score:2)
Sounds like a waste of more resources than what they are trying to protect.
A problem I see. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:A problem I see. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A problem I see. (Score:3, Funny)
For just a second I read the above line and wondered how a
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Collaboration, n.:
A literary partnership based on the false assumption that the other fellow can spell.
Space Tubes (Score:5, Funny)
Give me that, and I can die happy.
Re:Space Tubes (Score:2)
Or, at the very least, stuck in the tube between McDonKFCWendyKingBell's and Wal-K-Tar-Depot-Bucks.
Re:Space Tubes (Score:3, Funny)
"Give me that, and I can die happy."
As you most assuredly will, after exiting the tube at high speeds and smashing head first into a wall. I've seen Futurama and know the pitfalls. Be warned! --M
Tsk, no imagination (Re:Space Tubes) (Score:3, Funny)
Where's your imagination?
Pneumatic tubes? Pshaw!
Matter transporters!
"Scotty,2 Big Macs, large fries, and a chocolate shake to beam up!"
Scotty: "Me transportters kenna stand the strain!"
Re:Space Tubes (Score:2)
Signature is a troll (Score:2, Insightful)
A troll, because it's so easy to find out what the terrorists have to say about the man who let bin Laden get away.
For example, from the June 3 2004 issue of The Economist:
"A communiqué from a Saudi jihadi group expresses the hope that George Bush will be re-elected because his "haste to use force, his lack of wisdom and religious fanaticism have roused the Islamic nation"."
If that sig were a legitimate political statement instead of a tro
Insurance industry (Score:3, Funny)
It seems to me, living in a typical European location is a dangerous thing to do
Good idea (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a great exercise and it's exciting to the see the future take shape (literally!), but until regular folks can buy up some of this stuff to build homes out of, that's all it's gonna be.
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Sounds like geodesic domes, hyperbolic parabaloid roofs, etc. These structures work okay in places like Antarctica, but for typical residential use they fail three important tests: 1) Will my local building inspector--who only understands sticks-n-stones construction--approve the thing without a ton of paperwork and appeals? 2) Will my rectangular furniture fit? and 3) Can I repair it when it breaks
Re:Good idea (Score:2)
Building codes need to be reformed anyway.
SeaLab, is that you? (Score:2)
Re:SeaLab, is that you? (Score:2)
If an antarctic base had crazy people who drank lots, did drugs, and spoke crazy crap all the time, it'd be pretty fun. Oh, hang on, it's going to be the German base, right? Score!
Re:SeaLab, is that you? (Score:2)
Earthquakes, sure... (Score:4, Insightful)
How about typhoons and hurricanes?
There's some housing in the Florida keys built on concrete pilars which look a bit like this, except they're square, built to withstand trailer shreading winds and stay above the water.
I wonder how durable in extreme cold this stuff would be, particularly in cold climates, as much aluminum developes stress fractures. More surface area on the outside means more area to insulate, too.
BTW, if you've ever considered living in a geodesic home, consider that the roofing costs about 3x what a regular house does. I wonder what mantenance would be like on these in the long term.
Re:Earthquakes, sure... (Score:2)
The roofing may cost more but you sure do save money on the walls ; )
Stress fractures (Score:2)
Re:Earthquakes, sure... (Score:2)
snow (Score:2, Interesting)
Death From Above (Score:2)
And of course the only music... (Score:2, Funny)
Esquivel's "Space Age Batchelor Pad Music"! [amazon.com]
Sounds familiar (Score:5, Interesting)
It was made so well that the wrecking ball just bounced off of it when they tried to demolish it. They had to bring in a crew with saws.
Meet George Jetson (Score:2, Funny)
the ESA hard at work (Score:3, Funny)
no stairs? (Score:2, Interesting)
It would be cool to park under your house though. Then you can just slide down a pole to your car every morning, batman style.
revolutionary thinking, indeed (Score:3, Funny)
Scientist 2 : Why, no! Brilliant! Maybe if humanity comes together we could build standard residential housing that sits hundreds of feet in the air for no reason!
Scientist 1 and 2 : (imagine where they will make space in their office for the Nobel prizes)
A plastic house? (Score:2)
The "autonomous" idea is mega-cool, however.
this is so "2001" (Score:2)
Deja vu (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Deja vu (Score:5, Interesting)
I can understand the 'money as function of weight' argument for an Antartic station that is air lifted, but that is rather exceptional. I'm wanting to understand why Bucky's design never took off (pun intented.)
Re:Deja vu (Score:2)
Bucky was a bit of a loon, but I happen to agree with him in a some ways. I don't care what my suburban home weighs as long as the utility bills are low, but if I were building a cottage, building with native materials (rock, wood, etc) or light we
Re:Deja vu (Score:4, Interesting)
His designs never really 'took off' because they required a lot of change in habits and expectations from the consumer eg: his houses included water misters instead of water faucets and showers; and his target market was, in his own mind, people who need very basic shelter and very basic sanitary utilities, so he paid little attention to decor or style of the time. His designs also did not allow for easy expansion or remodeling.
I visited a geodesic dome, built on the same lightweight principles as the dymaxion house, and found it to be very elegant in design. From the living room and kitchen at the bottom floor, there was a beautiful spiral staircase that went to the top (about 4 stories up). The various rooms of the house were vertically staggerred along the walls, with the master bedroom overlooking it all. When you looked down from here, it was like being in cloud city or something. Three things to note though: its not a good place for privacy, it could get noisy, and the temperature at the top was considerably warmer than at the bottom. Still, I like some of his designs, but they are really for the spartan/stoic among us.
I wonder... (Score:2)
The Problem With Housing Innovation in the USA (Score:2, Interesting)
Aqua Teen Hunger Force Quote: (Score:2)
oblig. video game reference (Score:4, Funny)
Re:really really cool (Score:3, Informative)
And from TFA, the structure they're talking about can withstand 220 km/h (140 mph) winds.
So I'd say it's pretty sturdy. Lightweight means less inertia which means it's easier to withstand some strong forces.
Cheers, Matt
Re:really really cool (Score:2)
The insulation shouldn't be a problem. Material need not be heavy to insulate well. In fact, in many cases, the less dense a material, the better it insulates. For instance, two layers of lightweight material with foam packed between them, or even empty air space should insulate fairly well.
You're basically dealing with heat transfer from contact between elemen
Some plus points (Score:5, Insightful)
- must be assembled in situ. So transporation dictates that the components must be fairly lightweight. Starting out lightweight also means that additional highly effective insulation materials can be added to minimise heat loss to the environment.
- must withstand cold. Space proven materials can already stand up to the extremes of cold.
- aerodynamic design. Carbon reinforced plastic is great for forming into non-flat shapes. Note that all the pictures in the article show structures that look like they are designed to have low wind resistance when compared to traditional cabin shapes.
- non-polluting at end of life. Lightweight structures that may be dissassembled and released from their ground tethers are better than traditional buildings that may have to use concrete foundations.
I wonder if this style of building is something that will spread to normal life. If it could be made low cost, then it would sure beat having a mobile home !!
Come to think of it, the Texas coast, just south of Galveston has some houses that look a bit similar to this, though the ones I've seen look more like they are made of sheet metal.
Re:not for California (Score:3, Funny)