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Vehicles of Tomorrow? 727

Human Factors Guy writes "We've seen here before car manufacturers putting more and more technology into cars, but what are the cars of tomorrow going to look like? Driver monitoring through head and eye tracking (which Volvo is already implementing), Adaptive Cruise Control systems, maybe even pedestrian recognition systems. With cars becoming more like semi-intelligent robots every year, what do /. readers think will and won't make it?"
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  • Nothing new (Score:2, Insightful)

    by panxerox ( 575545 ) *
    Unless there's some really radical new method of powering vehicals, I just don't see anything really new in the future for vehicals. We've had over 100 years of powered vehicals and they all pretty much follow the same pattern 4 wheels and some doors, slathering on new features or electronic controls is just a new way of marketing the same design over and over. Also speaking as a pedestrian I don't think "pedestrian recognition systems" is a good idea.
    • Also speaking as a pedestrian I don't think "pedestrian recognition systems" is a good idea.

      So you're afraid the cars will all decide to aim for you now? I think you watched The Matrix and I, Robot a few too many times.

      Besides, Just because they have 4 wheels (which happens to be incredibly stable - hence the reason they stick with it) and some doors (how else do you expect to get into and out of the damned thing?) doesn't mean that there can't be more innovation and radical ideas.
    • Re:Nothing new (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:57PM (#10311349) Homepage Journal
      Unless there's some really radical new method of powering vehicals...

      It will have pedals [pedalcar.net].

      Seriously, decades ago pedal cars, not toys, were sold widely in Spain. They could easily average 25 mph and if you didn't have to go long distances (over 10 miles) were reasonable. Problem with many people is they're lazy and they want to take all their crap all over the place with them. There was even a design in the early 60's or late 50's of the car of tomorrow in Popular Science, which carried a spare car for zipping around in away from the collosal family mover (which actually puts the Hummer to shame.)

      • Re:Nothing new (Score:3, Informative)

        They could easily average 25 mph

        Problem with many people is they're lazy and they want to take all their crap all over the place with them.

        I would think the bigger problem would be that speed limitation - even in small towns, the lowest the speed limit normally gets outside school zones is 30-35 mph.

        • Re:Nothing new (Score:3, Insightful)

          by RESPAWN ( 153636 )
          I would think the bigger problem would be that speed limitation - even in small towns, the lowest the speed limit normally gets outside school zones is 30-35 mph.

          Actually, in Metairie, LA (and from what I can tell, most of Jefferson Parish, which includes the majority of the area surrounding Orleans parish (read, New Orleans)), speed limits in most residential areas are 20 mph on non-divided streets. It can be kind of frustrating some times, but the low speed limit is appreciated when you live here. Sti
      • by Rei ( 128717 )
        Reminds me of the Onion article, "New Ford SUV holds eight passengers and their SUVs." ;)
    • by value_added ( 719364 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:03PM (#10311437)
      On the subject of "pedestrian recognition systems," I'm reminded of something my dad once said while trying to teach me to drive.

      "When you feel a bump, stop."

      At the time, he was referring to concrete parking separators, but I think it reflected a more general approach.
    • by AmericanInKiev ( 453362 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @03:19PM (#10312387) Homepage
      Seriously

      Autopilot for Airplanes is relatively easy.

      And if airplanes didn't require pilots, they would be more economical than cars, which need to stop and start to avoid hitting each other, which need very expensive roads, which tend to hit pedestrians at a frightful pace, and tend to run into each other - largely because roads are sort of an everlasting game of chicken.

      Per mile travelled, airplanes are much safer.

      Autopilot would prevent them running into skyscrapers, and actually reduce the threat - who wants to hijack a commuter plane with 30 gallons of fuel and 12 people?

      So we convert to electric golfcarts to drive us to and from the community airdrome.

      And save gas by sharing a better ride on a point to point nonstop mass transit.

      AIK
      • how about... trains? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Ba3r ( 720309 )
        I would wager trains are more fuel efficient per person/kg, far easier to automate an autopilot for (speed up, slow down), and don't have the tendency to fall 30,000+ feet when the autopilot for whatever reason, decides to commit suicide. Plus with more dedication on infrastructure, they can go pretty quick too.

      • Okay, assume everyone converts to small autopiloted passenger aircraft.

        What happens when the autopilot fails, and remember, it always will have SOME nonzero failure rate? Are you okay with a handful of miniplanes falling out of the sky and killing a dozen passengers at a time every year? Do you think anyone will want to ride the miniplane knowing there's nothing they can do to save their lives if something goes awry?

        Part of the reason air travel is safer than car travel right now is that there are a lot
      • by Old Telco Guy ( 622498 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @04:44PM (#10313277)

        As a former commercial pilot, I disagree.

        With a few exceptions, autopilots in planes are about as useful as cruise control on the highway - they alleviate a lot of mindless work but reduce your ability to ramp up quickly to the state of the vehicle if a sudden emergency should occur.

        Yes there are CAT III/Autoland units, approaches and airports, but they are few, far between, and dodgy enough that there isn't a pilot who's flown one who hasn't ghosted the controls throughout.

        Removing the pilot, who makes $180 in salary during your average 4 hour hop, would be INSANE considering he or she is roughly the cost of two senior flight attendants, or about 1/67th what the fuel costs for that flight.

        It isn't a video game up there. You take out the humans and you're dead, my friend.

        Oh, and those little commuters carry closer to 450 gallons of fuel, not 30.

    • In the old days you could fix cars with a wrench and a screwdriver etc. Now you need a logic analyser! This means that cars are becoming more and more unrepairable items (like TVs etc have become).

      As for all this fancy stuff that will improve safety, well I doubt it will really have a huge benefit. People tend to drive to a certain risk level. If it feels dangerous, then they drive slower and more carefully; if it feels safe they drive faster and more carelessly. If you pack the car with "feel safe" stuff t

    • by Confused ( 34234 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @06:17PM (#10314170) Homepage
      At least here in Europe, we see the signs of the future cars today, and I hate it. All trends seem to converge to make traffic laws self-enforcing like laws of nature.

      Want to drive too fast - sorry, the car won't allow you.
      Want to park where you shouldn't - the automatically request a parking ticket for you.

      The pieces for this total traffic control are already here today. A few examples:

      We already have black boxes for cars. Those will see wide adoptions as soon as the insurance companies give rebates for having them installed. For them it makes sense, as it provides better data about accidents. No more fibbing how fast you were.

      We already have active on-board-units toll-collection for highway and automatic verification of the box is present. At the moment, it's only for trucks on highways here in Austria, but the system is still young.

      We already have working number plate scanner which tag entry ond exit time of cars on a road section and generates automatically speeding tickets if the average speed is too high.

      A lot of cars already have GPS navigation to know where they are. Some of those have online updates for traffic jams and other up-to-date news. I can imagine some of them even can tell you today if you're driving too fast.

      The engine-management software of all sports cars in Europe won't allow you to exceed 250 km/h, even if the car could.

      Tamper-prevention software is in wide use and mostly works if used together with verification. Think about the XBox.

      Now put all those ingredients in a big bowl, add a healthy dose of total-control-freaks in burocracies, bake for 10 years with insurance and motor-tax incentives and you get self-enforcing traffic laws.

      The car will know where it is and what the speed limits are. The car will make sure for you, that you stay a good citizen via the motor management. The car will know how big the distance to the front car is and will make sure you keep a healthy distance.

      Now why not rip the little dictator out of your car? Your car will have to identify itself to the autorities for toll collection on the most travelled roads. While doing that, it's very easy to verify that an untampered control-unit works in the car. If not, they have your license plate from the traffic camera.

      All in all, for most purposes it won't be possible to escape. Due to the numerous checkpoints, the recognition-rate doesn't even have to be perfect. 80 to 90 percent is good enough.

      Why develop auto-pilots if it's so easy to make the life of the drivers miserable.
  • by squarefish ( 561836 ) * on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:46PM (#10311225)
    has been around for over 100 years- it's called a bicycle

    but they keep coming up with great improvements on the awesome machine.
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:47PM (#10311229)
    I'm still waiting for foam to fill the car when you have an accident... Sandra is hot [imdb.com].
    • I'm still waiting for foam to fill the car when you have an accident...

      What's to stop you from sucking it into your lungs while in it's liquid state or being able to breath after the foam has hardened? The nice thing about airbags is they deflate right away or you would probably suffocate.
  • by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:47PM (#10311230) Journal
    Improbablity drive powered space ships!
  • by Diclophis ( 203740 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:47PM (#10311232) Homepage
    This is for targeting...right?
  • Flying Cars.
  • My wish (Score:5, Funny)

    by Neil Blender ( 555885 ) <neilblender@gmail.com> on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:48PM (#10311248)
    Is that they'd get the turn signal thing fixed. Seems like 80% of the vehicles here in Seattle don't even have them.
    • Re:My wish (Score:5, Funny)

      by squarefish ( 561836 ) * on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:23PM (#10311705)
      Well, then you probably wouldn't like chicago at all- the cars don't have any lights or breaks, but the horns are in great shape.
    • I really hate those red turning signals, combined with brake lights. It is hard to distinguish red-turn signal in a heavy traffic / merge area as every one is using brakes and it is a sea of RED.

      Use YELLOW for turn signals. It is highly visible, and stands out. So I don't have to guess if you are tapping the brake or trying to come into my lane.

      Does any body knows why auto makers do these RED turn signals? I honestly don't.
  • by H0NGK0NGPH00EY ( 210370 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:49PM (#10311251) Homepage
    I just wish that they will be powered by something, anything other than the internal combustion engine. It's time for something new. But then again, maybe [slashdot.org] you already knew [slashdot.org] that I feel that way.
    • by Bohnanza ( 523456 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:07PM (#10311488)
      The reason the internal combustion engine has stuck around so long is that it works GREAT.

      Internal combustion engines are powerful and efficient. The basic concept has been refined so much that a car powered by one can usually run over 100000 miles with only occasional routine maintainence.

      My point is not that there are no problems with the Internal Combustion Engine, only that it will be very difficult to find a replacement that is actually superior.

    • by sploo22 ( 748838 ) <dwahler@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @06:53PM (#10314473)
      I can't wait until Stirling engines become popular, either for cars or just home electrical power. Basically, they're external combustion engines that run off any heat difference; a furnace, a paraboloidal solar collector, whatever.

      It seems like about once a year, I read a report somewhere like PopSci that someone's finally figured out how to make the concept workable for commercial purposes - even though Stirling engines were used very successfully in rural areas in the 1800s!. Yet somehow, every startup just disappears off the face of the earth afterwards for no apparent reason. Coincidence... or conspiracy?
  • by Kr3m3Puff ( 413047 ) * <me@kit[ ]kelly.com ['son' in gap]> on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:49PM (#10311258) Homepage Journal
    I have a FX35, which is a great gadget car, and I already have the "Adaptive Cruise Control" mentioned. From the Infiniti website:
    It's like cruise control, only smarter. Using a laser sensor and digital rangefinder, Intelligent Cruise Control* scans the road and detects vehicles ahead. If cars slow, it automatically decelerates and/or brakes. When traffic clears, cruising speed is resumed.
    Optional FX45/FX35

    *Optional Intelligent Cruise Control is not a collision avoidance or warning device. For highway use only and not intended for congested areas or city driving. The system will not brake automatically to a stop. Failure to apply the brakes could result in an accident.


    I have used this a lot while driving on long trips and I totally love it. It takes a bit getting used to letting the car do the braking, but once you get used to it, you wonder what you ever did without it before.

    So to answer your question, what will cars of the future look like, I would say the Infiniti FX35 is a good start...

    • Since I drive ~500 mile trip a few times a year I would really like to have adaptive cruise...and it sounds like Infinity has gotten it right with the FX35...but can I get it on a car that gets 30+ mpg and costs less than $20k? I'm not really in the market for a $40k SUV....
    • by cmoney ( 216557 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:50PM (#10312061)
      I concur! I've got an FX35 as well and it's been a sleeper feature for me. I got the Tech package only for the nav system and DVD entertainment system and it turns out the Adaptive Cruise is the one I use the most now!

      It's especially useful during my commute where I'll end up stuck behind some grandma on a 3 mile road who can't keep a constant speed. I just set it on smart cruise and I find I get less aggravated at following someone who can't keep a constant 40mph.

      And while it won't brake to a stop, it will hit the brakes pretty hard and take you down to around 25mph. All the while it's beeping like crazy and you should have enough time to react since it's already started the braking process for you.
      • by shirai ( 42309 ) *
        Another great incremental feature that is creeping its way into sports cars is the F1 style paddle shift transmission.

        I know you don't believe me (it's not really ncessary to appreciate this post though), but I have this in my Ferrari 360 Modena and at first, this technology appeared to suck and didn't work well (too much clutch slipping, jerky starts, etc.). Then they upgraded the computer to a newer version and it works a lot better. Similar technology can now be found in more consumer friendly cars.

        An
    • My personal wish is for a cruise control that's intelligent enough to recognize that it has to apply more gas to the engine when going uphill, rather than my current one that first slows down by 10 mph, then finally tries to speed back up.
  • a small truck powered by a diesel
  • The landmaster (Score:3, Informative)

    by mikael ( 484 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:51PM (#10311277)
    I always thought being able to drive one of these landmaster vehicles [snowcrest.net] would be cool.
  • by fatcatman ( 800350 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:51PM (#10311280)
    Automated freeway cruising.

    Honestly, the technology exists right now to automatically drive my car along a freeway. I could probably set this up today with a few thousand dollars in hardware and a lot of code. Self-driving car projects are incredibly expensive and not yet fully reliable because they try to use them in the city. This is an extremely difficult environment to deal with.

    But a freeway is perfect. All you need are cameras to watch the lines on the road, radar (or more cameras) to watch for other vehicles and objects in the road, servos to actuate the car's controls and a computer to run it all. I've actually thought about designing such a system for my RV, since long trips in that thing are very taxing. I'd still have to sit in the driver's seat and keep an eye on things, but that's infinitely less stressful than the driving itself.

    But this will never be a mainstream product in our society. Too many lawyers and other disinterested parties (such as insurance companies). We'll have flying cars before you can go down and buy a self-freeway-driving module.
  • by crimethinker ( 721591 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:51PM (#10311282)
    I want a car that electrocutes the idiot driver yapping on the cel phone instead of paying attention to the road. I've lost count of the number of times I've almost been creamed by some stupid suburban SUV-driving soccer-mom with a cel phone glued to her head. HANG UP AND DRIVE!

    Last summer, I saw a guy talking on a cel phone while riding a bike. What call is so bloody important that you can't pull over or take it later?

    -paul

    • That isn't that bad...
      This summer i travelled on a stretch of road in NJ that crosses the state exactly at the mid point, from Trenton to Belmar. Route 195.

      Without fail, on every trip I made I saw at least one person reading while driving. Either reports, newspapers, or even books. It is a very straight, uninteresting stretch of highway, but reading. Not just glancing down for a second to check something, but full on, enveloped reading.

  • For the love of God/Budda/Ra, no flying cars. Fools can't handle 2D, much less 3D.
  • Cheaper (Score:2, Interesting)

    by DanThe1Man ( 46872 )
    I want the prices to go down. I want everything that is in a Cadillac now to be in a KIA price in the future. Maybe some new stuff in Cadillacs, but the stuff that is in the present I want a lot cheaper in the future. I think it will work that way.
  • I for one.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Manip ( 656104 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:52PM (#10311299)
    With cars becoming more like semi-intelligent robots every year


    I for one want to welcome our new semi-intelligent robot car overlords...

    (still beats the less than intelligent polititans.. :)
  • It is the year 2004, but where are the flying cars? (I was promised flying cars four years ago, dammit!)

    But we don't need flying cars, because we have the Internet. (and to really bastardize the comemrcials together) How many Libraries of Congress per second can your technology handle?

    Personally, I'd prefer something akin to Minority Report, but so that I can escape the car if I want to (ie, none of this gov'mint lockdown crap). It would be awesome to not need to worry about where I'm driving or that
  • by Chuck Bucket ( 142633 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:52PM (#10311303) Homepage Journal
    once we're past the gimmicks we should see some improvements, but come on, that auto park option that Toyota presented last year feels like the latest update to curb feelers! I see cameras on the back bumper (already in some fancy cars) and cameras instead of rearview mirrors to be the most important; anything that doesn't force you to look away from the road will help.

    CB$#%^&*!
  • Community Cars (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 7hrs4sec ( 771720 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:57PM (#10311357)
    Cars in the future will be available for anyone to use, based on the (what's now bluetooth) personalization key you carry with you.

    Need a ride? Walk to the closest community car and touch the handle. The door opens, seats/mirrors/radio/temperature adjusts to your preferences and away you go.

    At your destination, you get out of the car. Your account is debited the appropriate fare and you... just... walk... away (and into the next car you need).

    • Re:Community Cars (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Canthros ( 5769 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:29PM (#10311776)
      Thanks, but no thanks.

      I've seen how people treat public parks, public restrooms, public sidewalks, and public transportation.

      What would happen here is that you walk up to the car, hear the door unlock so you can get in, and find out that somebody broke the rearview trying to manually adjust a little too far. The seat doesn't adjust, because someone else poured coffee into the seat and shorted out the servos. The radio display is cracked, and has chewing gum stuck to it. But you won't need to adjust the radio, but the someone has done you the favor of blowing out the cones on the car speakers. You might have one side mirror, but the climate control will be stuck on 'heat'. In July.

      Did I mention that the seat is sticky because the nimrod who spilled their drink into it didn't clean it up? Or that someone else has been scrawling dirty limericks on the dashboards, and phone numbers with exhortations of a 'good time' to be had? But be glad you didn't get the Com-U-Car next to it, because you saw the guy get out, and it looked like he'd thrown up in the passenger seat.

      All things considered, I think I'd rather the bus, taxi, or just drive my own. At least my own car doesn't have any odors I don't already know about.
      • Re:Community Cars (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Xofer D ( 29055 )
        You're right that this is somewhat possible; in practice, it doesn't happen. I'm a member of my city's cooperative auto network [cooperativeauto.net] and the cars are just fine, thanks. They're clean, well-maintained, and the tank is always at least half-full.

        Often I guess people feel a responsibility to take care of shared property, as long as they don't take it for granted.

  • by suzerain ( 245705 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:59PM (#10311388)

    I don't know how much the car itself will change from a design sense (if that's what is meant by 'look like'), and I'm not sure how much the act of driving a car will change.

    It does seem that there is a trend toward all these 'driver aid' tools, like GPS systems and ubiquitous Big Brother-like organizations that can control your car and track you. I do think, therefore, that the act of driving is going to be considerably less free, as an experience.

    The real change will be under the hood, as Peak Oil [peakoil.org] passes, and the petroleum supplies begin to dwindle rather than grow (there are currently zero large oil fields set to come online in 2008, and only one in 2007, so it might be here faster than we think). I'd expect, therefore, that cars will become a luxury commodity once again, as the cost of powering them starts to become prohibitively expensive.

    As this happens, there will likely be another trend in the 2010s similar to the 1980s, when there was a premium placed on economy, rather than size, because if the price of gas balloons in the 2010s to something more like $5-$7 a gallon, as some in the oil industry predict, it means saving a 10 MPG increase in economy can make a dig difference to the TCO of an automobile.

  • by nharmon ( 97591 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @01:59PM (#10311390)
    If I could make one small request to the car making industry, it would be: Please do not dumb down driving.

    Driving is a learned exercise that requires experience to become good at. The introduction of things like traction control, and anti-lock braking systems have caused much of the driving public to ignore time-tested techniques for maintaining control over a vehicle.

    Case in point: A cousin of mine was recently endowed with a driver's license. However, nobody thought it necessary to tell him how in certain vehicles under certain conditions, pumping the brake pedal is necessary to stop. They assumed anything he drove would have anti-lock brakes.

    Things like smart cruise control are going to make us become complacent about things like safe following distances and paying attention to the conditions ahead of the vehicle you are following.

    Until we're ready to turn over 100% control to the robots (which shouldn't happen for a very long time), please make vehicles safer by encouraging driver experience, not by doing things for him/her.
    • by trailerparkcassanova ( 469342 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:52PM (#10312081)
      Yes, and let's put the ignition timing control back on the steering column where it belongs. And do away with engine driven oil pumps and get back to the good old manual system. Windshield wipers should be hand-operated. Hand-cranked engines would make us think twice about driving that kid to the soccer game. And balloon tires; nothing like a good front wheel blowout to hone those emergency driving skills.

    • Case in point: A cousin of mine was recently endowed with a driver's license. However, nobody thought it necessary to tell him how in certain vehicles under certain conditions, pumping the brake pedal is necessary to stop.

      He may have learned about "threshold braking" instead. That was what was taught when I took defensive driving many years ago (before ABS). The idea is to ease up on the brakes slightly when the wheels start to lock, and then hold the brake at that threshold. If done right, this will stop

    • by tie_guy_matt ( 176397 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @03:14PM (#10312311)
      Maybe the problem isn't drivers who are dumbed down, maybe the problem is drivers that are too aggressive. I had a car with ABS for several years and the only time the ABS would ever turn on was in the snow and ice. When I drive cars without ABS I really almost never need to pump the brakes because I almost never have to slam the brakes hard enough to get them to lock.

      The trick is to leave plenty of room between you and the car in front of you. It might also help if you don't drive that much faster than the posted speed limit. In this way if the car in front of you suddenly stops you have plenty of time to react and to stop the car. I realize that this may burn a few precious seconds from your life but in the end it may allow you to live longer.

      I am just saying that in normal driving (even in rush hour traffic) if you have to slam the brakes hard enough to get them to lock more than a few time per year maybe the problem isn't with the car, or with other drivers, maybe the problem is with you!
  • by spoonyfork ( 23307 ) <spoonyfork&gmail,com> on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:00PM (#10311407) Journal
    What I'd like to see in the vehicles of tomorrow are better drivers.
  • 1976 TVR 2500M (Score:3, Insightful)

    by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:02PM (#10311424) Homepage Journal
    It's what I drive. FYI it lacks the following:

    Anti-lock brakes
    Air bags
    Crumple zones
    emmissions controls (well, beyond a o2 sensor anyway)
    5 mph bumpers
    fuel injection

    What it DOES have is the following:

    300 RWD HP
    Manual Transmission
    Limited Production
    Triple Weber Carbs (a conversion from the original dual Strombergs)
    Straight pipes
    LOTS of sex appeal

    IMO this is what the world needs more of, loud fast *sexy* cars. Down with Toyota Echos!

    (note, for those of you who do not get this post, I do drive this car in reality, but the post is for humor)
  • What's coming (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:05PM (#10311456) Homepage
    Lots of little stuff.

    Proper starting. Automobile engines are started all wrong. Cranking, compression, fuel, and spark all start at the same time. Oil pressure comes later. As a result, half of engine wear occurs during start. Many big engines (locomotives, marine diesels, some big tractors) are started properly - oil pressure first, then a few turns with compression released to oil up the cylinders, and finally combustion starts. Wear is much reduced.

    Once 42-volt electrical systems become popular, and valve control goes electrical, we may see electric booster oil pumps and valve actuators. Once you can crank the engine with compression off and oil pressure up, you need a much smaller starting motor. The starting motor and alternator can then be combined.

  • by Christopher Thomas ( 11717 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:07PM (#10311484)
    Two things that won't happen next year, but that will happen in the intermediate future and have very interesting consequences:
    • Cars will be autopiloted, with driver controls as a manual override only.

      A lot of progress has been made on this over the past couple of decades, and we have a couple more decades of progress to go before it's safe enough to use in the real world, but as soon as an autopilot is invented that drives better than the average human (especially under emergency conditions), there will be a large insurance break for using it. Shortly after this it will become the norm.

    • Useful, cheap, and robust renewable fuel technology (electric or combustion based).

      My money's on methanol or methane, as both can be stored as liquids (methanol more easily), and methanol can be burned in a conventional engine with a bit of tweaking (making the switch from internal combustion to electric engines much more graceful). You even have interesting hybrid options available, like an electric car with a gas turbine burning methane (or propane, which you can fill up with at gas stations now, making the switchover to _methane_ easier). Methane and methanol can both be synthesized directly from water, CO2, and electricity, meaning that they're suitable fuels for an electric vehicle infrastructure after fossil fuel supplies of them run out (and after we need more than we can get by reclaiming biological waste). We have lots of experience with moving hydrocarbon gases and volatile liquids around, so the transport infrastructure's already here. Methane and methanol have nowhere *near* the storage and handling problems hydrogen has.


    It'll be interesting to see when the first point happens (I think it's pretty inevitable that it's going to). A methanol (or a methane) fuel system might or might not happen. If compact energy storage and vehicle efficiency get good enough, a direct electric scheme might work. However, most non-chemical methods of electric storage don't have high enough theoretical densities (even with nanotube-reinforced flywheels and induction rings), and a purely electric vehicle infrastructure is a lot harder to phase in gracefully. Alternatively, we might just keep improving our ability to harvest lower-grade and less-accessible hydrocarbon deposits, and push the fossil fuel problem far enough off that by the time the crunch hits, technology will be different enough to drastically alter the space of possible solutions.

    Definitely interesting times ahead.
  • by Vexler ( 127353 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:08PM (#10311500) Journal
    Why would you need to have pedestrian recognition systems?
  • Diesel Engines (Score:3, Interesting)

    by superstick58 ( 809423 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:09PM (#10311505)
    I would like to see more diesel engines in cars in the US. I know there are problems with emissions, but I like the better fuel economy and increased power associated with many of the TurboDiesels already dominating in Europe.

    Unfortunately, emission standards are only going to get more strict in the coming years so unless the clean air technologies in diesels can keep up, we may not see many options on the market.

  • Sunglare control (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chairboy ( 88841 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:10PM (#10311511) Homepage
    Here's an idea I had a couple years ago:

    Put a liquid crystal display coating over the windshield that can selectively darken specific parts of it. Have a sensor outside the car facing forward that notes any super bright light sources like the sun or headlights at night. It also tracks where the face of the driver is and, if it determines a glare situation is occurring, does the geometry to find out exactly what part of the windshield is between their head and the light source and applies a tint at that one place. The person could still see that the light source was present, but it wouldn't blind them.

    Try driving west in the evening as the sun is setting, and something like this starts to look pretty good.
  • by mbrett ( 751233 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:11PM (#10311535)
    I wish better instrumentation became ubiquitous. Every car should have an instantaneous and average MPG indication, tire pressure indicators (and self-inflators), oil pressure, and so forth. This would help improve fuel efficiency for the country, and help reduce fuel and maintenance costs for individuals.
  • Small List (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mainfr4me ( 715711 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:13PM (#10311554) Journal
    -Better Fuel Economy
    -Better sound systems
    -Headlights that are bright but dont blind oncoming traffic
    -Can run past 100,000 miles without major repairs
    -Less rusting, even on newer cars
    -And finally, the ability to work on them without the need for 3 different diagnostic machines that cost 10 grand each!
  • by foxtrot ( 14140 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:16PM (#10311596)
    ...it's the twenty-first century and I still don't have my flying car and I still don't have my rocket belt.

    Why bother asking what the vehicles of the future are going to look like; we still don't have the vehicles of yesterday's future!
  • Like trees (Score:4, Funny)

    by John Jorsett ( 171560 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:18PM (#10311638)
    The automobiles of the future will look like trees, because, based on how little road building is taking place, they won't be able to move anyway. So they may as well look good sitting there.
  • by CoffeeJedi ( 90936 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:23PM (#10311693)
    because my double decker 3-foot erector set wing just isn't big enough sometimes

    add to that list:
    brighter neon
    louder steros
    larger exhaust pipes
    louder exhaust pipes
    a wider range of stickers
    bigger uglier rims... spinners and lights were a good start, but how about embedded video screens, or ultrashiny chrome that blinds other drivers?
    more places to stick useless video screens (see above)
    brighter, more obnoxious colors
    larger body kits, with more of that panel-gap appearance that looks so good

    did i miss anything?
  • Drive by wire (Score:5, Informative)

    by claes ( 25551 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:24PM (#10311707)
    The biggest change I can imagine is when drive-by-wire will be fully implemented. This means among other things that steering will no longer will be done mechanically. This will change the interior or cars dramatically, see here [autointell.com] and here [autogazeta.com].
  • by zbuffered ( 125292 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:28PM (#10311758)
    I thought for a second about how cool it would be to have my car turn wherever I looked, until I realized that the girls who like to jog around where I live would make this a dangerous technology.
  • by TrueJim ( 107565 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:43PM (#10311960) Homepage
    It's probably worth mentioning again, as we discuss smarter cars, that insurance companies are declaring a car "totaled" more quickly these days, even with relatively minor structural damage, because the cost of replacing all of these electronic gizmos after an accident is adding signficantly to the typical repair cost. Reference, for example: http://csmonitor.com/2004/0419/p13s02-wmgn.html [csmonitor.com]

    So as we contemplate even smarter cars with even more electronics installed, even relatively minor accidents might result in a car being declared "totaled" and thereby increase insurance costs overall. Ironically, it may not be the purchase cost of the electronics that eventually constrains the smart-car market (particularly since smart electronics seem to get cheaper all the time), but rather the insurance considerations instead!
  • by robogun ( 466062 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:49PM (#10312052)
    What I'd like to see is some technology for easing traffic jams. Traffic flow is similar to fluid dynamics, except the repulsion properties of each car vary from driver to driver, making for unpredictable situations in heavy traffic. Since drivers tend to err on the side of caution (god damn it!!) a single error by one driver in heavy traffic can cause cascading consequences that reverberate for hours on the road -- none of them good. The most visible effect is precautionary slowing, which quickly reduces the vehicle capacity of a road. Additional effects include "rubbernecking" or other timewasting enjoyment of the accident scene by drivers at the front. Road capacity varies by speed and slowing kills this. A 5-lane freeway (common in Calif, as are cars -- very big cars) that can carry 70,000 vehicles per hour at 65 mph, can only carry 2,500 cph at 25 mph.

    The idea is to get rid of the personal repulsion properties of the drivers.

    What about implementing separation techniques (much like IFR flying) that would permit vehicles, first in specialty lanes and then later on the road at alrge, to operate safely at predetermined distances.

    Together with reversible-direction lanes, we could save many of the billions of hours [citymayors.com] (how many human lifetimes is that) wasted sitting in traffic each year.

    • I have to affirm this post. I live in Atlanta (#3 worst traffic in the US), and I regularly face a 1+ hour commute.

      The solution that I think about EVERY SINGLE WORKING DAY, is simple:

      Paint the letters "PASSING LANE ONLY" on the far left lane.

      Have the local PD issue tickets for people "hanging out" in the far left lane or going to slowly. Europe has this down to an art and few things are as exhilarating as driving on the autobahn (or other major highways there). The net result of a passing-only lane
  • Tomorrow's Cars: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Beardo the Bearded ( 321478 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @02:55PM (#10312118)
    Tomorrow's cars will be the same cars as today's cars. They'll just put in a few more gadets so you'll think you have to have a new one.

    Realistically, your next car should be your feet or a bicycle. Walk to get your groceries. Bike to work. Get fitter. Live longer. Pollute less. Get big things delivered. Talk to your neighbours. Smile at strangers.
  • by delorean ( 245987 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @03:42PM (#10312661) Homepage
    It had to be said...

    On another note, check out the possible 25th anniversary DeLorean! [delorean.com]

  • by Moderation abuser ( 184013 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @03:43PM (#10312673)
    Personal Rapid Transit, a packet based mass transit system.

    e.g.
    http://www.cprt.org/

    Not that PRT will make the car obsolete, but it will reduce the need for it as day to day transport leaving it mainly as a pleasure vehicle.

  • Standardization? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Deliveranc3 ( 629997 ) <deliverance@NOSpaM.level4.org> on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @04:57PM (#10313418) Journal
    Removable lights, windows, locks, stereos, mirrors, wheels, engines etc. Cross compatibility.

    I.E. Upgrade engine? Upgrade Headlights? Buy new body? Etc.

    Also why don't they just make the speed lane on highways 130 kmph (faster as cars become faster) and force drivers to stay at that EXACT speed. then there will be no bunching etc. If your car cannot do that deal with regular traffic.

    I'd also like to see a slowdown in car safety regulation upgrades, it's the number one reason consumers cannot stick with older model cars and designing new ones is the reason for the cost increases, the safety benefits are minimal in each new model upgrade, I'd like to see car weight maximized at approx. 750pd. Then they will be a smaller threat to pedestrians and each other.
  • Fallout (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Thunderstruck ( 210399 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2004 @05:06PM (#10313528)
    As anyone who has ever strayed from Vault 13 would know, the car of the future is 100% analog, no computer of any kind.

    Simple vehicles weigh less, last longer, and have greater cool factor. Seriously, my favorite transportation is the mostly 1979 Harley Sportster I built with my own two hands. It has 3 circuits, a headlight, a breaklight, and an ignition coil.

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