Google Used to ID Hit-And-Run Victim 134
jafiwam writes "Google has been used (according to CNN) to help identify a hit-and-run victim from 1993. Detective Pat Ditter used Google to identify victim David Glen Lewis, 39 who died after being hit by a car while out of town. An image involving a fairly unique pair of glasses was found on the Texas Department of Public Safety web site, and a similar image on the Doe Network (involved in unsolved cases). This was after Det. Ditter began working on unsolved cases utilizing Google as a tool in that process. Makes you wonder how it took law enforcement that long to think of this. Process servers, employers and significant others already use Google for theses purposes... why not cops?"
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I'm not (Score:3, Insightful)
The second is that Google is a private corporation and there is no guarantee that google does not the display search results that it wants displayed instead of the real ones. Just too much power in Google's hands in my mind.
Re:I'm not (Score:1)
As soon as people stop using Google, Google has no power. Sort of like your avatar in Black & White. If Google is proven to skew results, people will stop using it.
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In this case, if you'd bothered to read the article, the detective turned to google after the standard means came up empty. Note the dates -- this guy had been missing for eleven years. I've worked in law enforcement....sometimes you don't always find the information you need in police databases. They're old systems, often difficult to use (even for
After all, they paid for it (Score:5, Funny)
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They do use Google... (Score:5, Funny)
The cops USE Google, but they still have to be the ones that put 2 and 2 together to get a conclusion.
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Funny)
Re: They do use Google... (Score:2, Funny)
> The cops USE Google, but they still have to be the ones that put 2 and 2 together to get a conclusion.
That's what the psychic consultants are for.
Re:They do use Google... (Score:5, Insightful)
Many cases get shelved not because they are unsolvable but because there is too much other low hanging fruit that can more easily be addressed first. To get the most bang for the taxpayer dollar, easy cases get solved first and if there is time, the tough ones that take more time are addressed. Too often because of resource limitations, the more difficult cases are never addressed.
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Interesting)
You have a guy in the office, not a gun-carrying/badge-waving cop...but a researcher. Someone that digs through the evidence, searches on the web to come up with possible solutions to cases then turn them over to the gun-carrying/badge-waving guys to go out and make an arrest or search warrent or other "cop-doings".
Just a thought...and not, not the CSI guys.
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Interesting)
Unfortunately, detectives are often given a certain number of hours to work a case. If they can't get a significant lead or significant potential progress on the case within that time, the case gets shelved and the detective is handed another case. Though I don't disagree that a better priorization system may result
Re:They do use Google... (Score:1)
Or have I just seen too much American TV?
shortage of police manpower (Score:2)
Very True (Score:3, Informative)
Matching fingerprints isn't as easy as searching Google but it's pretty damn easy compared to olden days (the 80's) where the two prints were put side by side and someone had to visually compare them.
After that murder case was solved the LAPD decided to assign a group people to work on these cold c
Re:Very True (Score:2)
They need brainpower to automate doing it -- once and for all. Many organizations lack that, prefering to "work harder, not smarter [c2.com]" -- especially, government offices...
Re:Very True (Score:2)
It's not like CSI, I'm sorry.
Re:Very True (Score:2)
The FBI database contains thousands of entries and is, of course, on-line (not on the Internet, but a terminal was, evidently, available to LAPD). The LAPD's database is (or should be) online too. There can only be so many different software packages for fingerprint maintainance and it is certainly within the LAPD's and/or FBI's resources to order converting "plu
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
Speeding is a real crime. If you're travelling at 35mph then an increase of 5mph (14.3%) will increase your braking distance by 30%. The distance travelled during your reaction time is also increased by 14% however the reaction and braking distances are in different scales so cannot be simply added together
Re:They do use Google... (Score:2)
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Informative)
Well, it is a minor one for the most part. In fact, I suspect nearly everyone breaks it. When everyone breaks a law, you had better consider the reasons for it....
"You only have to look at real world case studies to see that speed reduction on USA highways was the major factor in 9000 fewer road deaths in 1974."
Well, I can't read the case studies so I will take your word for it. But it is currently 2004, so those statistics are out of date.
"In 2002 the USA road toll exceeded 4
Re:They do use Google... (Score:2)
You're right, travelling 5mph over the speed limit is not necessarily a real crime. At least here in California, we have a law called the "Basic Speed Law". What this means is that most posted speed limits are only a recommended maximum speed, and not the maximum allowable. There are many cases where one can safely and legally exceed the speed limit, though not many people are aware that they legally can (but do anyway).
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
Problems with that:
1. Income from traffic tickets helps to pay for police. Not directly, but still... Without it, most cities would probably only be able to have half as many police.
2. Why do you think traffic laws shouldn't be enforced? Traffic fatalities are a MAJOR cause of death... Far above anything else police are involved in, let alone, anything they can help prevent.
3. Do you really want traffic cops to become detectives? Th
Re:They do use Google... (Score:2)
Well, they could use taxes like everybody else. At least this would result in all voters having a say in how many police they want. Second, how much of that revenue goes back into paying for the cops writing the tickets? If there is no "net gain" your argument is worthless. Finally, what happens if everyone obeys the traffice laws? Are we going to fire all those police? I think not....
"Why do you think traffic laws shouldn't be enforced?"
Reasonable on
Re:They do use Google... (Score:2)
On the contrary, it is the cause for a lot of accidents, and surely many fatalities. I've seen plenty of accidents happen because someone was driving so fast they couldn't stop when another car changed lanes, stopped, turned out in front of them, etc.
Only if they can have a constant presence all through their jurisdiction. People slo
Re:They do use Google... (Score:3, Funny)
Sure about that? [google.com]
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I was pointing out that it's not that simple.
Similar story (Score:5, Interesting)
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CSI: Google Geek (Score:5, Funny)
Re:CSI: Google Geek (Score:3, Interesting)
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Wait, I saw that on the show, Las Vegas, last week.
Now, if you've never seen the show, let's just say that they rely on a lot of "magic" technology. Such as surveilance cameras that can change frequency on the fly ("hey, let me see that in infrared, now ultraviolet") or surveilance tapes that let you zoom in and pan the camera around during playback.
Last week, they showed off a new toy. A magic "blue glowy thing", but
Re:CSI: Google Geek (Score:2)
Don't you watch the discovery channel? Luminol [howstuffworks.com] is the stuff they spray on the crime scene, then they look at it in the black light. It's not all crazy magic, this one's actually chemistry.
Re:CSI: Google Geek (Score:2)
I think given the nature of the work you'd have to throw some donuts in there as well.
Damn you! (Score:1)
> The police were able to track down the owner - it's not that big of a town.
I was wondering how they caught me, you jerk.
If you had a slower internet connection I might have made it across the border.
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> Google will soon be starring in TV's CSI
LoL. "CSI:Google"
already been done (Score:2, Funny)
Of course, the TV search engines can tell you a person's entire life history with only a first name and a hair color. They're pretty powerful, you know...
Re:Soon you will see - "CSI effect" (Score:3, Insightful)
Also interesting, there is a phenomenon called the "CSI effect" referring to jurors expecting capabilities similar to the tv series in real-life forensic investigations...
Re:Soon you will see (Score:2)
I really hate that show.
New Meaning (Score:4, Funny)
Actually... (Score:2)
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We just replaced (Wholesale) our old search with something like 12 of these things. Searches have never been better! (75K employees in company).
back OT:
If the cops could get together across state and agency lines with Google providing the search and DB indexing I'm sure there would be a lot less unsolved crimes across state lines!
Just wonder what the leagal impact would be?
-nB
Google and privacy (Score:2)
It'd also be useful data for industrial espionage types...
Facial Recognition software? (Score:5, Interesting)
What about facial recognition software used for this purpose? If drivers license pictures were standardized and pictures taken at the morgue were made to the same standard (assuming the face of the disceased in not injured/damaged) is facial recognition software good enough to be used to try to identify John Does?
Re:Facial Recognition software? (Score:2, Informative)
Check out this paper on "Image Matching Using A Criminal Database":
http://mailweb.udlap.mx/~ingrid/caminoreal/Bobbie. pdf [udlap.mx]
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Re:Facial Recognition software? (Score:1)
If they were going by a pair of glasses, they may not have had a face left to recognize.
Re:Facial Recognition software? (Score:1)
Seems like a great idea. I know my driver's license photo looks like I'm dead.
What does this mean for criminals? (Score:1)
It's only a matter of time before Google will have the new GEvader Beta system....
So... what is the news here? (Score:1, Interesting)
Now if google could only date (date when google archived the information) the result entries....
dating the archive (Score:3, Insightful)
Sort of off topic... (Score:2)
I did, and it brought up an obscure post (circa 1996) I made to some alt.linux.* newsgroup about re-formatting Linux text files so they would be readable in Windows.
Spooky.
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Apparently some 14 year old girl on the other side of the world has the hots for me. I read it in her livejournal.
Google: bringing false hope to thirtysomething geeks since 1998.
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sheesh (Score:3, Insightful)
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I call this google stalking ... (Score:5, Interesting)
I once had a guy email me and accuse me of stealing his Bang & Olufsen turntable that I was selling on ebay. He said he sold one on ebay two weeks prior to my auction and that the bidder (who happened to be 100 miles from me had made a claim that it was broken. He paid out on the claim. He accused me of being in cohorts with someone to pull a fast one and get the turntable, collect on insurance, then resell it on ebay for a double profit.
Well, I ended up googling his email address. Turns out - I got something to this affect on a "Discreet Personals Website" in Colorado:
"Male looking for other males for discreet, private meetings - into play, but nothing too rough"
I emailed him and told him I had found some information about him that I might post to eBayers That Suck dot com.
He didn't bother me after that.
I always google any problematic customer to see if they are a complainer on line or have anything "strange" about them - or are possibly on another business's hit list.
I google potential girlfriends names and if I have them, email addresses.
If you google my ID; adzoox, it brings up my website and home town of Greenville SC and things about me in the Upstate of South Carolina. Lots of google results are my slashdot posts from the past 3-4 months.
Re:I call this google stalking ... (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:I call this google stalking ... (Score:1, Insightful)
"Male looking for other males for discreet, private meetings - into play, but nothing too rough"
Just curious - would you have held it against him if his email had come up on a straight dating site? That is, would you still have blackmailed him if he had been searching for female company?
Re:I call this google stalking ... (Score:1)
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Re:I call this google stalking ... (Score:1, Insightful)
Right now, it makes it sound as though you were in cahoots with that auction scammer, and that you blackmail your customers
Now, I know that *probably* wasn't your intent, and I know better than to judge a story from only one side of it, but... well, I usually post as though someone were looking over my shoulder... (Hi ECHELON! How's the fnord?)
New use (Score:2, Funny)
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Adjust for actual location/district/beat, of course.
Another incidence of google solving crime (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's a link
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSLaw0206/11_hijacker-cp.h
Re:Another incidence of google solving crime (Score:2)
Should ask the people who were directly affected by him in the relevant crimes whether they think the world would be a better place with him in jail or not.
Re:Another incidence of google solving crime (Score:2)
Damn right he should go to jail. If society jailed people dependent on their contribution to society, then the socially deprived would spend all their time in jail and the rich would get away with anything.
Oh wait...
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eBay for stolen items (Score:1, Informative)
He contacted a detective with the sheriff's office and they contacted eBay, got the seller's contact information, and ended up recovering the l
Police demographic (Score:4, Insightful)
This is of little surprise to me.
If we look at the demographic that is the police, then the only saving grace is that they would probably contain a small percentage of "forward thinkers" - maybe 2-5% of their number, just as in most organisations.
Police officers often do not hold any formal qualification outside of high school, or their own training instutions.
Fundamentaly, police in the field need the ability to arrest, tackle, and subdue violent offenders. The fact is, they need special...uh...abilities, to do this. Not the ability to "think outside the square".
Later in their career they will graduate to perhaps detective. They then utilize past experiance and gain new initiative.
They would now have the opportunity and freedom(in work) to move beyond the text book.
There must be so many "old schoolers" in the police, where challenging tried and true process's requires seniority, an innovative bent, and the ability to say no to the old school.
Re:Police demographic (Score:3, Informative)
Huh, most cops make quick assessments of situations and make life and death decisions based on limited information in a very short time frame. To say that they don't "think outside the square" is either ignorant, insulting or both.
I would recommend asking if your local police department permits "ri
Re:Police demographic (Score:2)
So in other words they make life and death decisions based on (potentially) crappy data? Gee, that makes me feel better
"To say that they don't "think outside the square" is either ignorant, insulting or both."
Umm, I don't think police as a whole are of significantly above average intelligence. But I could be wrong. Many (most?) are educated, but that has littl
Google is a search engine people (Score:1, Insightful)
Instead of Google Search... (Score:2)
Hmm, let's see...
Who is Jugalator?
1. jugalator is right
2. jugalator is starting on a dire wolverine
Well, the first one sounds correct
Sounds like the basis for a TV show (Score:2, Funny)
Google Cold Case.
or
NYPD Google.
Re:Sounds like the basis for a TV show (Score:2, Funny)
Another headline from a non-thinker (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, law enforcement has been using internet search engines as long as they have been around. Just because an occasional case manages to get some media attention, does not mean the method is anything new at all.
Keep in mind, also, that Google has reached near retardation levels of attention in the media. Anything anyone does which results in something positive could just turn up as a media-worthy article to mention Google.
Look back 6 years and you'll see the same BS with Yahoo.
I swear, if the public had any less of an attention span, people suffocate from forgetting to breath.
robots.txt will soon be illegal (Score:2, Interesting)
The cops on Law and Order do this, have for years (Score:2, Informative)
"I googled for bla bla bla..."
Seeing that TV usually mimics reality, I have a feeling that real cops have been using google longer than we think.
Daniel
Did the cops use this to find a drug dealer? (Score:2, Interesting)
For some reason i was getting all these hits from google with people typing in "tommy savage" who ran a guest house i stayed at in Amsterdam. Turns out he the law thinks he is some huge drug dealer. Shipping huge amounts of grass into Greece.
The big question is did all the cops have to do is type his name into google and up pops my website with directions on how to find him?
I
Dumbass, not-news article (Score:3, Insightful)
Makes you wonder how it took law enforcement that long to think of this.
No, not really. I'm pretty sure the cops figured out google a while ago, all around the world. It's just that its successful use is not fucking news!
What it really makes me wonder is what on earth these guys at CNN were on when they decided to run this.
Because they're not very smart (Score:2, Informative)
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Similar story for me. Five or six years ago, we were working on adopting our son, and we needed to apply some pressure to the birth father -- he wasn't the type to take responsibility, even when all it would take was signing a paper saying "ok, he's yours". I was able to use various Internet resources to look up the name, address, and telephone number of his employer, and gave that information to the state social wor
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