Google Muscles Into Microsoft's Turf 246
gollum123 copies and pastes: "AP has a story on how as Google rapidly rolls out new products, the company best known for its wildly popular search engine is muscling into the software giant's turf, including its stronghold: the computer desktop."
When Google write an operating system.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:2)
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:3, Insightful)
If Google pushes the OS into the background then the y do become the "OS", at least in the user's eye.
This is why M$ wanted to "cut off Netscape air supply". Netscape was pushing the same way.
As an off shoot look at any browser today, they all support "file:". This was popularized by Netscape, it was also a corner stone to why M$ IE is part of the OS.
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:2, Funny)
Uhm, what college have you studied at? Please share so that others know to avoid it.
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Most users do not even know what an 'Operating System' is. Their interaction with it comes almost entirely through the File explorer or Finder (call it what you will). As a developer there's a lot more to it (multiple APIs, file IO, multimedia etc etc), but not as a user.
Google Desktop, interestingly, can all but replace that part of the OS for most users; if they need to open a file, they no longer look for it in folders and click on it, they search and then click a link. And it's faster than the search that's built in - how embarrassing for MS.
Say Google launched photo management software (Picassa), email software (Gmail), a search function (Desktop search), a web browser (perhaps a rebranded Firefox with Desktop Search), and finally an office suite (either written in XUL or native).
As the OS tends towards a badly debugged set of device drivers, in the perception of a non-technical user Google becomes the 'OS'. Also of interest is the fact that the browser has become most peoples' universal file viewer - you can view jpegs, txt, PDFs, movies etc in there. Good or bad, this is often how they use it.
The user sees Google all day - they see Microsoft software when they go to change the printers or the desktop background. Apart from that, as far as they're concerned, their computer is run by Google...
Now whether it would be wise to poke MS with a sharp stick like this is debatable, but the premise that the OS is nothing but a skin on a kernel, filesystem etc is actually true from a user's point of view. That skin, worryingly for Microsoft, is replaceable, that's why they merged IE with the OS and made it impossible to remove, and that's why they're aiming to choke the internet again with XAML.
...Google write an operating system (Score:2)
Re:...Google write an operating system (Score:2)
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:3, Informative)
Really? Guess its so secret their own staff don't know it:
http://www.google.com/technology/
Re:When Google write an operating system.... (Score:2)
Google (Score:4, Funny)
That's what Google do! I've always wandered.
Re:Google (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google (Score:2)
Re:Google (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Google (Score:2)
(Yeah, OT, but it's been bugging me for a while)
Re:Google (Score:2)
Whizmatic7000 review
...Hm. The results are pretty relevant, but there are lots and lots of bogus entries -- they say "no reviews yet" ... Hm. Wouldn't it be great if I could ask google to filter those out for me?
Whizmatic7000 review -"no reviews yet"
Simple, eh?
Well I'm the type of nerd...the wanderer (Score:2)
Where pretty (anime) girls are well, you know that Im around
I spy on em and I loveem cause to me theyre all the same
I want to hug em and squeeze em they dont even know my name
They call me the wanderer yeah the wanderer
I roam around around around...
Oh well theres Syn thia on my left and theres Ack tavia on my right And Serena [google.com] is the girl with that Ill be with tonight
And when she asks me which one I love the best I tear open my shirt I got TUX on
MOD PARENT UP!! (Score:2)
I thought of that song immediately I saw the typo, too, but nowhere near that creatively....
Netscape (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Netscape (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Netscape (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Netscape (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Netscape (Score:2)
Re:Netscape (Score:4, Insightful)
Firefox is getting much better and has many extensions, but it hasn't quite replaced the windows desktop.
Replacing the Windows desktop is a harder thing to do than to provide adequate and reasonable applications that offer the same functionality as Windows.
While FOSS, particularly something like Firefox+Thunderbird+OpenOffice, offers virtually all of what people need, the slight differences in user interface and the comfort level with existing Windows applications in most corporate settings will slow growth of Windows competitors to only the most cost-conscious segments of the market.
That would include universities, the developing world, full of talent and lean on money, and small business owners with more time and expertise than money. People with ideas instead of money.
Of course, if I wanted mindshare, that's exactly where I'd want it to start. Risk-averse corporate IT departments will eventually climb on board once they see the bandwagon go by without losing a wheel.
Re:Netscape (Score:2)
Actually, Netscape died when MS offered a browser for free. That is not illegal. MS did plenty of other illegal stuff, but what they did to kill Netscape was not illegal. It is hard to compete against a competitor who offers a similar product for nothing.
Nothing to see here (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft shouldn't worry... (Score:5, Funny)
They shouldn't have any problem competing on a level playing field.
Google Office (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Google Office (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google Office (Score:2)
Search no longer [ivillage.com]
You can also just see the Google trademark lurking there...
hRe:Google Office (Score:5, Funny)
I've always thought that is what google should name a new google dating service.
Re:Google Office (Score:2)
Re:Google Office (Score:2, Funny)
GLinux will be the way forward, with the all-new, ground-breaking tool called gfind. Of course that will just be an alias to a funky combination of find and grep, but who cares? It's from Google, so it has to be cool.
Re:Google Office (Score:2, Interesting)
Therefore, what you call 'hardware abstraction' is, in fact, the OS and the features available through the Google brower, including the Google browser itself, will just be another application a
Re:Google Office (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Google Office (Score:5, Funny)
That sounds too much like "Gwyndows" and, as such, would remind me of an ex-girlfriend that broke my heart. :)
Using Gwyndows would be like having her name tattered on me.
Let this idea die right here, amigo.
Re:Google Office (Score:4, Funny)
No more posting before 11 a.m.
Re:Google Office (Score:2)
Good idea. There's the off-chance that you woke up late and are posting from home if its before 11am. Best to aim for mid-day posts so its on your company's time.
Re:Google Office (Score:2)
Hyperoffice.com (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd make a bet that google will buy them out, and ruthlessly remarket, rape, and pillage their software.
Re:Hyperoffice.com (Score:3, Interesting)
What about the future? When hosted solutions can rival or equal OS based applications, and an internet connection is considered as standard IO device as a keyboard.
Its frickin rent-a-center.
And being forced to upgrade your OS, and applications just to keep up with current software demands and document types isn't?
Ironic .... (Score:5, Informative)
Google Search - ?
Gmail - Hotmail
Desktop Search - ?
That's how the tally stands for Google
But I gotta love http://www.google.com/firefox
Re:Ironic .... (Score:3, Informative)
they have http://www.google.com/ie [google.com] too
Re:Ironic .... (Score:4, Informative)
*In actual fact the page for IE was designed for use in the IE search pane, where as the Firefox page is obviously designed to be set as the homepage.
Re:Ironic .... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Ironic .... (Score:2)
This is pretty weird...
Microsoft, here's a tip (Score:5, Insightful)
Get a clue Microsoft! The Google Toolbar supplements basic lack of features in IE (such as auto-complete, search box, and pop blocker). When it's your product, you don't need to add a toolbar extension, you just add the features to to the goddamn browser itself!
Re:Microsoft, here's a tip (Score:5, Informative)
actually, MSN released a toolbar that added similar features to the Google toolbar. Microsoft, in XP SP2, did actually add the popup blocker to the browser itself. Although MSN is part of Microsoft, it acts much more like a seperate company, another example of this is MSN Messenger vs. Windows Messenger.
Revised message (Score:2)
From before:
When it's your product, you don't need to add a toolbar extension, you just add the features to to the goddamn browser itself!
So I think we can revise this statement to be something like:
When TWO companies have added features your browser lacks via toolbar, you REALLY need to add these features - not just the most obvious one l
Re:Microsoft, here's a tip (Score:2)
And what a clusterfuck that turned out to be. Here you have two clients, with different capabilities (MSN has logging, Win has Remote Assistance), running over one network, and requiring that you only be logged into one client at a time. And if that wasn't enough, their default behaviour has them fighting to see which one will log in last (and kick the other client
Re:Microsoft, here's a tip (Score:3, Informative)
Wrong. They are virtually identical. They are instant messaging clients, similar in concept to AIM.
You're thinking of the Messenger service, which should not be confused with Windows Messenger. Open services.msc and look at the description of the Messenger service. "... This service is not related to Windows Messenger."
Important considerations. (Score:4, Insightful)
It's also important to keep in mind that there are several key differences between web-based software and technologies and system-based software and technologies, especially with regards to an operating system.
The third consideration is that while Google is making progress, so is Microsoft. Granted, the G-man could catch MS, but I don't think it's quite as immenent as the article intones it to be.
Re:Important considerations. (Score:2)
Of course, a web based word processor with a gig of storage at the back end might make a few people interested - its not that different from a gMail app when you think about it.
Michael
Web Based WP w/ 1 GB storage, 0 Users (Score:2, Interesting)
First, when you click the close button, it has to pop up a dialog box and ask, "Document has been changed. Would you like to save your changes now?" The possible responses must include the standard choices of yes, no, or cancel.
Second, when your browser crashes, it has to attempt to save the file and automatically recover it when you start up again. If it
Re:Web Based WP w/ 1 GB storage, 0 Users (Score:2)
<pedantic>
HTTP is stateless. Cookies just make it possible for an application to store information on the client box. The actual state is held on the server, the cookie is just a key telling the server the index into its collection of saved states. HTTP itself doesn't track any state.
</pedantic>
MS Search isn't hard to beat (Score:5, Interesting)
Several hours later I have a very unhappy looking network admin show up at my office curious about why I have so many documents open. Apparently S&M were trying to open some docs and they were locked by me. So I close the 5 documents I had open and give him the ok. He comes back 5 minutes later. 1500 documents were "locked" for my account. MS's search told had opened, and locked every document it listed in the find window and wouldn't release them until I had shutdown my PC.
Now the moral of the story is google isnt going to need to do a lot with a desktop search tool to impress me. Maybe I just ask too much of MS
Here's what Google will do... (Score:5, Insightful)
Just look at what they have done lately. Picaso anyone? Keyhole viewer anyone? They are just taking these little companies in for the base apps to their upcoming OS in my conspiracy theory. After all you can't have a good OS without the bloat that comes pre-installed with it.
Watch for Google to buy things like an IM chat client, some cheesy MineSweeper game, and some sort of CD burning software. That gives them basically the core of what you get when installing Windows. All they need is the OS...
Hey, I'd install it when it comes out. Then go straight back to Windows when I need to game. That's the key for anyone trying to contend...make sure you get 100% software compatability, games included. Without that you just won't take over.
Re:Here's what Google will do... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Here's what Google will do... (Score:3, Funny)
Cue Mission Impossible music.
Re:Here's what Google will do... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Here's what Google will do... (Score:2)
I don't see how you can go from handy apps, to throwing out the entire OS (and perhaps the PC). To get into the OS game effectively you also have to play the hardware game and even then you gotta fight all those
MS- Requirement for life? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:MS- Requirement for life? (Score:2)
I love this part! (Score:3, Funny)
This is the part where Google wakes up in bed with the motherboard of its best server under the sheets with it.
What exactly are they muscling into? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if they were moving in this direction surely a Google web based desktop/app suite poses a far greater threat to Linux then the massively entrenched MS. Its the small players who get killed first in these battles.
Re:What exactly are they muscling into? (Score:3, Interesting)
No? Why not? Just about everyone I know uses web based mail today, though there are still a few leftovers (who also happen to still use dial-up so I don't think they really count). People are getting more and more used to doing everything online; really, is there that much difference between writing an email to your friend and writing a letter via "GOffice"? Sure, it's online, but with a broadband connection you probably ca
Sensationalist? (Score:5, Insightful)
Aieee! (Score:5, Insightful)
This guy doesn't even know the difference between memory and storage so why should I listen to him?
Re:Aieee! (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, there is no real functional difference between memory and storage.
The only difference is, basically, access speed. And since storage nowadays is a lot faster than memory was a decade ago, that difference is only relative.
You may add that memory is wiped when a computer is turned off, but that is not the case for all kinds of memory, besides the fact that many computers are never turned off.
Google doesn't have that much money (Score:4, Interesting)
Sounds like... Sun? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Sun has always believed that a computer connected to a network is much more valuable than a disconnected one. The network is a resource with far more information and service capability than any one computer. It can provide access to its information and services to anyone, anyplace, anytime, on any type of device... The network does not replace the desktop; it extends it, makes it easier to use and much more ubiquitous. It's no longer a question of whether the complexity of software and computing will be moved onto the network. It's a question of how fast will it happen." - Pat Sueltz, Sun Microsystems, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal Nov 15, 1999.
To think that five years later we're discussing a search engine as a competitor to Microsoft. I can't think of anything that sounds more 1999 than that. The main difference here is, of course, that unlike Sun, you don't need to buy a Google "server" to run these services. They already exist. If Google acquires other web-based businesses (let's say, a direct Salesforce.com competitor or Salesforce.com itself, it's only a billion dollars), then they can very rapidly muscle into this.
Unfortunately, as someone else mentioned, there isn't much news in this article. I guess it justs gives us
I'm just waiting for Google to release the "true iPod killer" which can index 5 Libraries of Congress in a minute and weighs less than 1/1000th of a Volkswagen.
This is bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
objectivity (Score:2, Interesting)
Deja Vu (Score:5, Insightful)
Fast forward a few years. Microsoft continues to reign supreme. A fad operating system now plays contender, and pundits hail it to take over Windows one day. Nonetheless, everybody, including these pundits, continues to use Microsoft products without qualms. And this has been the status quo for more than 6~7 years, without Microsoft domination subsiding even a wee bit.
Wake me up when the pundits themselves start to migrate away from Microsoft products.
XUL is the sleeper (Score:3, Insightful)
XUL makes web based application servers practical.
User gets his desktop but all his 'stuff' resides elsewhere on the net and economy of scale takes general management functions like automated updates, backup, disaster recovery, etc. availabel to the 'small enterprise'. With Suns new biz model of paying for non-security related patches to it's 'free' OS, Sun better watch this as well.
If there is one threat to Mr. Softie and Sun, it's sleeping through a killer XUL app or two.
Google to release OS (Score:2, Funny)
Gindows will be a modern cluster only operating system that can find what you want before you know you want it. Comes complete with a minibar.
A dream (Score:3, Funny)
Get In Line Google (Score:3, Interesting)
September 3, 2002 [theregister.co.uk]
November 23, 1998 [cnn.com]
December 5, 2002 [zdnet.com]
How long have people been saying the end of Microsoft is upon us?
It's about information... (Score:4, Insightful)
There are already desktop-killing applications out there. The IMDB wiped out certain CD based movie databases. There are route finders that mean I don't have to have autoroute installed. There are CRM systems where you use a web interface and rent the service.
I'm using Gmail, and I can search for messages as quickly as I can search messages locally.
This is all the result of more users and faster networks. There's some nervousness still about "my data is online" but it's going to change. People will just do it because the benefits outweigh the risks.
As 3G grows, hi-speed will be accessible almost anywhere.
Re:It's about information... (Score:3, Funny)
And yet you say it so casually.... if only i had a Gmail invite....
It's about accessability (Score:4, Insightful)
Google's email system is a good example of what thin clients should of been in the first place. The interface is slick, easy to use, and you can click from one function to another and it responds nearly as quick as a desktop based application. And this is over a 155k wireless connection. On my home FIOS system where I have 15mbit downloads it's faster than Thunderbird (Tunderbird however maintains my IMAP folders)
Regardless. Nx broke some ground with a network accessable desktop that ran Linux. No doubt that once it went Open source Google's engineers laid their hands on it and we may see something really productive.
Google rolls out a usbkey or firewirekey based product that keeps enough software to boot a network connection and windowing system to open a nx based desktop from any networked pc anywhere in the world. Yes then M$ should be worried becuase Google would of then presented the ultimate thin client that would be far cheaper per seat than any product currently produced so far. And if you think that the backend couldnt handle it you have to remember Google's search engine is ran by huge wharehouses of computers we hardly consider using for fileservers nowdays in one huge grid application.
no... (Score:3, Insightful)
plain old google to search the web, gmail to search and archive your mail and a desktop search to search and
manage your office/media files. it basically all comes down to the management of data.
Mircrosoft does everything. they want to provide everything for everybody. this is pointless.
they copy other peoples ideas and sell it as their own.
ok, they do own research as well. the only area where Microsoft seems to be good in is marketing.
Microsoft on the ropes (Score:3, Insightful)
That's a clever dodge given that "customer feedback" is most likely: "Increase Hotmail storage to match Google. And make Hotmail more like Gmail. Oh, and make desktop search as good as Google. Thanks."
So on one hand, Microsoft defends its entry into markets as "competition is good for the customer" meaning competition pushes innovation, but on the other hand, when others (read: Google) enter its markets, the competition apparently has no effect on its development.
Nice try, Microsoft. As a market leader its important to deny that competition is even possible, but when you're clearly playing catch-up, comments like these belie your insecurity about your own ability to "innovate."
Bottom Line (Score:5, Insightful)
Everything else in the story is just fill.
Wonderful Merger. (Score:2, Insightful)
Linux-biased comments here (Score:2, Interesting)
All this searching just makes me increasingly baffled as to why MS didn't include some cutesy GUI'd analog to slocate in XP. It seems like such a simple, straightforward technology: there's a perl port of it that's like 70 lines.
Capitalist Propaganda! ;) (Score:3, Insightful)
The Google-Microsoft competition is good news for consumers because it means more choices and better products
Ah, right. Thanks. Just like the browser wars!
Cheers.
Re:At least... (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I do not consider Google nor Microsoft evil (there goes my Slashdot image), I merely consider them companies trying to get rich each in its own way. Nevertheless, it seems to be the trend nowadays, Google is your friend and more of the same nonsens.
In the long run, I'm more afraid of a "oh, it's from Google so it's OK" mentality than the old "it's Microsoft so it must be evil" one. There is such a thing as trusting something or someone too much...
I say trust nobody - it's safer that way.
Re:At least... (Score:2)
In all seriousness, these guys are no more saints then any other business. They want to turn a profit - since going public they now have to be responsible to those holding shares.
Re:At least... (Score:3, Insightful)
these guys are no more saints then any other business.
I, respectfully, disagree. Just because companies are generally amoral does not mean all of them behave in the same way. Some companies try to retain the trust of customers though honesty, and fair dealing. Some companies often used as examples here on Slashdot are Google and Apple. I think this is for a very good reason. Both companies are under the control of geeks who want to do "cool stuff." While responsible for making money and increasing
Re:At least... (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not an Apple zealot. I don't like a lot of the things they do, and their music business using DRM is very questionable. In the end, however, I think that they may have saved us a lot of pain by entering the market. They proved that people wanted, and would pay for digital music, and they provided a loophole in the DRM, so that customers can still do anything they need or want with the music in a legal way.
If Apple did not enter the music business, MS would probably just win, and we would all be st
Re:At least... (Score:2)
J.
Re:At least... (Score:3, Funny)
Well, "Don't be evil" is their company motto.
Re:At least... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:For how long? (Score:3, Informative)
No. You're wrong. Why do so many people think this? They are responsible to their shareholders in that they cannot willfully or illegally lose their shareholders money. They do no have to forsake their values.
Re:For how long? (Score:2)
That'd be my guess, anyway....
Re:For how long? (Score:5, Interesting)
No. You're wrong. Why do so many people think this? They are responsible to their shareholders in that they cannot willfully or illegally lose their shareholders money. They do no have to forsake their values.
No, you're naive. The basic naivete comes from your language, in fact. "They do not have to forsake their values." Sure, they don't. But there's a _lot_ of pressure to do so.
Do you really believe people think this because they are whacky? Take a look at this passage from an article from the Harvard Business School:
Generating corporate virtue
By now, the story of Malden Mills and its owner, Aaron Feuerstein, is so familiar that the company name has become a sort of shorthand for corporate benevolence. The tale briefly told: In 1995, a fire destroyed Malden Mills' textile plant in Lawrence, an economically depressed town in northeastern Massachusetts. With an insurance settlement of close to $300 million in hand, Feuerstein could have, for example, moved operations to a country with a lower wage base, or he could have retired. Instead, he rebuilt in Lawrence and continued to pay his employees while the new plant was under construction.
"Why don't more companies act that way?" is a common reaction when people first hear the story. It is much too simplistic to reply that Feuerstein is a better person than most. Whatever Feuerstein's relative level of virtue, he had far fewer shareholders to answer to than the average CEO. Feuerstein's only shareholders are himself and several members of his family, who presumably share his willingness to sacrifice profits for the sake of the employees' wellbeing. (Feuerstein was perhaps too willing--Malden Mills filed for bankruptcy protection last November.) The typical CEO of a publicly held corporation, by contrast, is accountable to thousands of shareholders.
My purpose here is not to denigrate the share-owned corporation, which is a fundamental building block of democratic capitalism, but to acknowledge that its legal structure imposes certain priorities on its senior leaders. If they fail to maximize earnings for shareholders, managers risk removal by the equity holders to whom they report. Worse, failure to serve shareholders' interests puts the corporation in jeopardy of being acquired by a stronger company or losing access to capital markets. In theory at least, self-interest and self-preservation ensure that no rational executive will engage in activities that clearly erode shareholder value.
For an interesting approach to the problem (and it does exist!), check out the article [hbs.edu].
Re:For how long? (Score:2)
Re:It might not mean much to the mighty vole... (Score:2, Funny)
Go Microsoft?
Re:No Microsoft? (Score:2)
Firefox makes using google even simpler. And in Konqueror, all I do it type
to find that the most ironic part of Slashdot is the lack of conformance the the web standards that most of the open source community espouses.
Hmmm ... perhaps it is the case that irony is more appreciated by the readers that the staff. I guess that could expain both issues :-)