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XeroCool writes "Alan Williamson got invited to BayCHI lecture at PARC by Marissa Mayer (Product Manager for Google) to talk about google and get the facts. They both were in a room and Alan got some good facts about Google. One fact was: The name 'Google' was an accident. A spelling mistake made by the original founders who thought they were going for 'Googol'."
Clearly big fans of Steve Martin (Score:2)
Re:Clearly big fans of Steve Martin (Score:2, Informative)
Whaa?? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:2)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:5, Funny)
Ohwaitasecond..
Re:Whaa?? (Score:5, Funny)
Call themselves geniuses...
Re:Whaa?? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah. And French is easy too. Ten year olds speak it!
Re:Whaa?? (Score:2)
I'm sure they could (Score:2)
It just wasn't a priority.
Re:Whaa?? (Score:5, Insightful)
(Note - I'm a programmer, but I do ok with HTML)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:2)
Re:Whaa?? (Score:3, Insightful)
it's a totally useless waste of enthusiasm, and used for far too many things it shouldn't be used for.
Like, for instance, anything involving security.
Of course, that is just an opinion.
Yes, the alternatives are much better. (Score:3, Insightful)
I would prefer that every damn application utilize its own, unique, and poorly documented formats. I mean, all that metadata is such a hassle when you want to go in and understand what a file contains! It gets in the way and is overall just so tacky.
Re:Whaa?? (Score:3, Interesting)
HTML 4 isn't crap at all. It cooperates very well with CSS to make pages with easy to control layout and reasonable sepe
Origional Founders? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Origional Founders? (Score:3, Informative)
From WordNet (r) 2.0
founder
n 1: inflammation of the laminated tissue that attaches the hoof to the foot of a horse [syn: laminitis]
2: a person who founds or establishes some institution; "George Washington is the father of his country" [syn: beginner, founding father, father]
3: a worker who makes metal castings
v 1: fail utterly; collapse; "The project foundered" [syn: fall through, fall flat, flop]
2: sink below the surface
Re:Origional Founders? (Score:2)
Re:Origional Founders? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Origional Founders? (Score:2)
Little Known Fact... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Little Known Fact... (Score:5, Funny)
Now you know why someone's signature used to say "news for herds, stuff that spatters". :-)
It's true! (Score:2)
Chips and dip -- the only way to go!
Apache (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Apache (Score:2, Interesting)
So a misspelling isn't really the same as a cute pun.
Re:Apache (Score:3, Informative)
MOD -1 WRONG (Score:5, Informative)
Quote: The name literally came out of the blue. I wish I could say that it was something fantastic, but it was out of the blue.
Don't Mod -1 wrong (Score:5, Informative)
However, the name was adopted because it fitted well since the server was indeed "a patchy server" at the time. Had it not sounded like a pun on the status of the software it may not have been adopted as the name.
Hence, you are _both_ correct.
Sigh. I had merely assumed it came from "google" (Score:2)
Sigh.
I had assumed it came directly from "google" (to stare at, especially if through glasses), which came from "ogle" perhaps via "googles" (glasses - a corruption of goggles with a bit of "ogle" thrown in). Both were slang terms in use in the '50s, at least in southern Michigan.
Reveals Google's Access to Large Data Sets (Score:5, Insightful)
That kind of dilegence makes for an improved quality of experience for the person visiting the site, and increases the traffic for the webmaster. Google applies that same dilegence on a global scale.
Re:Reveals Google's Access to Large Data Sets (Score:2)
I guess the webmaster liquified at some point. The spelling checker would not catch this, but the correct word is not POUR as in a liquid, but "PORES over..."
6 types of email users (Score:5, Interesting)
Some very interesting facts indeed.
But the one that really caught my attention was the one about the 6 types of e-mail users. I'd really like more info on that.
Anyone has any idea where to get more info on this? Still haven't found anything.
Re:6 types of email users (Score:4, Funny)
1. Those that feel physically inadequate and need viagra and penis enhancements.
2. Those that hate their careers and need diplomas.
3. Those that are lonely and want to know about every porn site in existence
4. Those that need cash quick and don't mind helping out friendly Nigerian Officials
5. Those that need good luck and don't mind sending out chain mail to get it.
6. Those that want cheap prescription drugs from reputable companies in the back of alleys.
Here at MSN, we're committed to helping our users so we start off by by giving our users access to all these value added emails. As we get to know users better through Microsoft patented Big Brother[TM] technologies, we tailor or filters so that you can get more of the informative emails advertising that you need.
Try out MSN. We're eager to serve you.[1]
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[1] See http://members.cox.net/kaiotea/serveman.htm
or http://www.scifilm.org/tv/tz/twilightzone3-24.htm
Re:6 types of email users (Score:3, Funny)
I'm thinking it's something like this:
1. People who use AOL e-mail
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. Profit!
No wait, wrong list, nevermind.
Re:6 types of email users (Score:2)
Oh, yes, of course.
1) Small penis
2) Small breasts
3) Thousands into debt
4) Related to a distant Nigerian cousin
5) Happens to enjoy ROLEX watches
6) Two or more of the above
Re:6 types of email users (Score:2, Informative)
Julie Daniel
Keeping Your In-Box "Real"
Since I've been accredited to do the David Allen workflow coaching in the UK I've seen an awful lot of e-mail in-boxes. Different people manage their in-boxes in different ways but one of the things that I've noticed is that, before they do the coaching and implement the GTD approach, most people have some kind of "yuk" feeling associated with their in-box.
It seems that most people have at lea
Re:6 types of email users (Score:2)
It kind of matches the only two types of users I could find/identify in texts related to the talk.
> File and delete (don't leave anything in the inbox)
> Hunt-and-peck, comfortable with lots of unread mail in their inbox
Re:out-of-date (Score:2)
The file is, and always has been, "hello.jpg", otherwise known as "the Receiver".
From the wiki:
Lazy Mistake (Score:5, Funny)
Sheesh... you would think that they could have at least Googled for the correct spelling.
Re:Lazy Mistake (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Lazy Mistake (Score:2)
in the name... (Score:4, Interesting)
Googol
Goggol
Googgol
Gogool
All lookf airly similar and alot of hassle to for average idiot to recall. So if thisis true Google got lucky as hell.
Sigh (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, it's amazing how a word you've seen and heard almost everyday for the past, oh, five years is easier to say and spell than one you aren't familiar with. What an incredible coincidence!
Re:in the name... (Score:2)
Also, I've always thought that it benefitted from being close to "goggle", a device for preserving your sight.
Re:in the name... (Score:2)
What about Yahoo's Tim Koogle? (Score:2)
Methinks the google guys sorta put their competitor's name and a word that conveys 'hugeness' together, but they can't say that it's based on Koogle's name for legal reasons.
Sigh...it means: (Score:2)
I Feel Lucky (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly, "I'm Feeling lucky" keeps "Google" search from looking naked for some odd reason. It's Genious.
I think it's a subliminal messege to stop researching for your english project and search for "Paris hilton nude".
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:5, Funny)
Exactly, "I'm Feeling lucky" keeps "Google" search from looking naked for some odd reason. It's Genious.
I think people don't use it because if they do, they feel like google is calling them "punk" while routing them
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:2)
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:2)
I don't use it myself, because I always like to see where I'm being sent before I click on something. The "I'm Feeling Lucky" button doesn't permit this. So I always do a regular search, which shows where the links go before I click on them.
Since so few people apparently use it, I wonder if they'll replace it with something else if they come up with some other clever idea, something else to keep t
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:2, Funny)
Except when concealing goatse.cx links.
I'm Feeling Lucky Quicksearch (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:2)
Re:I Feel Lucky (Score:2)
Genious? Is that the opposite of ingenious? I think you are a bit too harsh on those guys...
"Behind the scenes" engineering presentation (Score:5, Informative)
New College Thing (Score:5, Interesting)
Plus, they gave out free pens and T-Shirts. The actual recruiting part took up about 10 minutes - only a brief mention of what it was like working at Google. Good presentation tho.
Servers (Score:3, Interesting)
How many, specs, data centers.
People have guessed, and analyzed everything... but still no true official statement.
That's what I was really hoping for.
Still interesting though.
Re:Servers (Score:2)
However, the question "how many servers?" changes from week to week, usually from day to day. They are constantly replacing and adding CPU's, to the point that they have a standing order for N systems per week, for some quantity of N. The only way an answer to "how many servers?" can be valid, is to include a time/date predicate: "Well, this past Sunday afternoon, they had 107,499, until the earthquake took out a couple hundred units."
Re:Servers (Score:5, Informative)
Harumph! (Score:3, Funny)
Please could somebody let my boss know. Pretty please.
Kogal? (Score:4, Funny)
Wow that was close. Some more typo and we'd all be kogaling instead.
Re:Kogal? (Score:4, Interesting)
names (Score:5, Funny)
Excuse my poor english, as I'm not a native speaker, just a poorly educated east-european.
WOW! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:WOW! (Score:2)
Slashdotters who have bad grammar? Now I, too, have heard of everything!
Re:WOW! (Score:3, Informative)
Now I've heard (sic) [sic] everything!
And, as you see above, [sic] requires square brackets, not parentheses.
Accident my foot! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Accident my foot! (Score:2)
GO ME!
Small populations (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not sure about the use of small user populations for testing.
I wrote something about this in a blog article [milui.com], though the references have yet to be added which I'll do later today.
However, I'm happy to admit that Google seem to be doing plenty of correct things. Gmail has become my email of choice so the interface can't be that bad, and the main Google page has always been cool for me. Before that, I used to use alltheweb.com in preference to the big portal sites, but Google's results seemed, well, be
I Feel Lucky (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it makes sense if you think about it. Everyone wants to feel lucky...and I doubt a "I feel apathetic towards the world and my creator" could fit there, anyway...
3 types of email users - what are the others? (Score:4, Interesting)
Google's Scholar [google.com] found two papers citing THREE [tinyurl.com] types of email users
1) Users who don't file at all
2) Users who file frequently
3) Users who file infrequently
This paper cited a paper by Whittaker and Sidner, titled Email overload: exploring personal information management of email
It seems filing is the primary category, but I'm foxed about the other three. Any ideas?
Re:3 types of email users - what are the others? (Score:3, Interesting)
But now with tools like Lookout, Google Desktop, and others, I can search my inbox in a split second. An
It's not a spelling mistake, it's a trademark (Score:2, Interesting)
I had heard awhile back that "Google" is so named because you cannot solely trademark(TM) numbers or words expressing numbers.
Is this not the case?
Re:It's not a spelling mistake, it's a trademark (Score:2)
Is this not the case?
Shhhhh! The marketoids are working hard to promote this lie. Which brand story sounds more likable, a name chosen by a bunch of lawyers, and one that was come across through an innocent mistake.
Hahaha. Oh, those Google guys are so smart and succesful, but they make mistakes just like everyone else. In fact, their entire brand came out of a mistake. I mak
Re:It's not a spelling mistake, it's a trademark (Score:2)
Re:It's not a spelling mistake, it's a trademark (Score:2)
What the hell, that's a scary thought. Damn, I said "the". Double damn, I said it again. It's really hard to write anything of consequence without using the "T" word. DAMN! I said it again. I guess I better pull out my credit card, this looks like it is going to be an expensive evening. I'd like to know just who the hell these people think they are
unconscious grammar (Score:4, Interesting)
Paris in the
the spring.
Many people have to read that many times before they see the error, because the expression is familiar enogh that they merely recognize it from the familiar words, rather than actually parsing the words themselves. Unfortunately, this is a flaw deriving from the excellence of human communications recognition, tolerant of transmission errors. Tech can help address it (like putting black text on a different randomly colored background for each word, or parenthesis for each word, for "edge enhancement"), but it's really a bug in our technique.
Re:unconscious grammar (Score:2)
I ironically (reflexively?
another interview with her (Score:5, Informative)
Among other things, it talks about how many links they have on the main Google page. There's also a funny bit about some guy who sometimes sends them e-mail containing only a 2-digit number. They finally figured out the guy was e-mailing them the number of words on the main Google page, presumably to let them know he is getting annoyed when there are too many (e.g. when it got up to 52 words).
Oh, and there's a much bigger version of the picture of her from the previous interview, here [mediajunk.com].
The web speaks of 4 kinds of searchers... (Score:3, Funny)
to him you show every detail of how to use the Google API to the last SOAP call
The one who is contrary, for he will demand exact results on an poor query and be angry when google fails to produce
The one who is foolish, who can not understand the basics of queries.
and the one who does not know how to search. to him you will show the basics of how to search
Barney Google? (Score:5, Interesting)
Barney's horse Spark Plug was so popular that Sparky became an common sobriquet; indeed that is the source of Charles M. Schulz's nickname.
Google lives on in rare cameo appearances in the comic strip, generally known as "Snuffy Smith," whose full title is actually "Barney Google and Snuffy Smith"
Google's "small-and-often" changes. (Score:2, Informative)
I noticed one of these trials. I sat at a desktop--I forget exactly when--and that time Google looked something like this. [archive.org] When I saw what would be Google's new look [archive.org] on another PC, I was wondering w
Re:Google's "small-and-often" changes. (Score:2)
More interesting links about this conference (Score:2, Informative)
http://notebook.geekdom.net/pages/baychi-google_ui
The second one even has something about the 6 types of mail users:
- File and delete (don't leave anything in the inbox)
- Hunt-and-peck, comfortable with lots of unread mail in their inbox
Gogol = Russian Author (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Gogol = Russian Author (Score:2)
Blog Inaccuracies (Score:5, Informative)
Going through Williamson's blog points one at a time, I will state the inaccuracies in those which need revising:
1. Mayer never said the Google founders "didn't know HTML." What she actually said was that Brin came up with the original look, but decided not to add complexity because "he said he didn't do HTML" (emphasis theirs), as in he considered it pedestrian and didn't want to bother with it.
3. It wasn't search usage that doubled when they fixed the spell-checker's back-end, nor is it correct that they found the bottom to be best. Here's what Mayer actually said: the original spell-checker ("Did You Mean" feature) was very bad and would make suggestions like "Turbotax" -> "Turbot ax" and to keep it less conspicuous, they kept the spelling revision suggestions in light grey text at the top of the page. Then, they improved the spell checker from the back end, and saw that the click-throughs of the "Did you mean" feature doubled. As the feature got better, they made the text larger and red, and this caused click-throughs of Did You Mean to double again. However they noticed many users were still complaining using the feedback link at the bottom that the search results weren't useful, and when they checked what the search was of those users, they found misspellings (i.e. users had overlooked the Did You Mean at the top). So, they added an additional Did You Mean at the bottom of the page, to catch those people, and the click-throughs doubled once again.
5. It's not so much that Orkut didn't have go through the normal Google UI procedures, it's that because it's his 20%-time personal project that he's still toying with (most of which he did in 4 days, according to Mayer), it's not really part of Google's official feature set. It's really just that guy's personal project that they may use at some point down the road. Mayer never said anything about the "loads it places on the system," so it's unclear if it's hosted on Google servers at all, or if high volume is even an issue.
6. Mayer didn't say Excite@Home users often get to see new features. What she said was that a long time ago, they did one experiment where they wanted to see if having thumbnails of the search results was a good idea, but they knew they would need to find high-bandwidth users to test it on. So, they decided to use Excite@Home's IP range to test it on them, and they got so many complaints from those users (mostly due to having many fewer results above the page fold as a result of the thumbnails), that they scrapped the idea. There was no indication they did any more experiments with Excite@Home or other broadband users exclusively.
7. When she said they have the largest network of translators, the context is that Google has a site where you can sign up to help translate Google's help pages and interface into your language: https://services.google.com/tc/Welcome.html [google.com]
11. The 6 types of email users were discovered over the course of qualitative observations of users brought into the lab to test Gmail (and often observed from a distance, to give the user email privacy). Two specific types of emailers she mentioned are: "file & deleters" and "hunt & peck folks, who are comfortable leaving some emails unread".
Re:I dont think thats true (Score:2)
Re:I dont think thats true (Score:2)
Re:I dont think thats true (Score:3, Interesting)
Go to http://googol.com/ [googol.com].
That guy made it in 1995, they probably couldnt buy it and spelled the less creative 'google'.
Re:Gmail security breach.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Gmail security breach.. (Score:2, Informative)
michael is obviously tired, and forgot to log into his account.
Dupes can and do happen, some are excusable, since they are really old ones with alternative titles, others just fall under the net of after leaving the front page, but before google has picked them up (slash search sux!).
The last kind (on the same front page) is just inexcusable
Re:And here I thought... (Score:3, Funny)
... mmmm
Re:The annoying "Did you mean" feature (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The annoying "Did you mean" feature (Score:2, Funny)
if I could :( (Score:2)
Re:if I could :( (Score:2)
Take a look at http://www.bartnagel.com/portraits/mayer.html . It beats out the Fortune pic by a mile.
gaaaaah... *thud* (Score:2)
Anyone for a Marissa Mayer Fan Club?