Wireless Power Recharging Nears Fruition 310
AlexanderT writes "Mobileread.com is reporting that wireless power recharging of mobile devices may become commercially available by the end of this year. Various recently filed patents by Cambridge UK-based Splashpower Ltd. indicate how close the company is in realizing this technology."
Big Deal (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Informative)
If cell phones are dubious, this shit is scary - it must be impossible to keep out of electromagnetic radiation's reach.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
Concur.
Heinlein took a look [wegrokit.com] at this quite a while back, and while I'm quite sure he's got the details all wrong, the underlying concern remains quite valid.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
Forgive me for the newb question, but are there things that he did or use that we to this day still cannot replicate and/or explain? I've seen mentions of this, but nothing specific.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2, Informative)
His notes on this, alas, have been lost.
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Informative)
WHere's the proof to this claim?
Any pictures, film, 3rd party verifiable observations, etc?
We've all seen wireless power transmission over a few feet, which is cool but it couldn't transmit power a few miles unless the machine was huge, and it would probably be hazardous to your health (See the video in one of the other threads here), and we've seen Tesla coils. But whe
Re:Big Deal (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Big Deal (Score:4, Informative)
Back then what we take as basic electronmagnetic physics was all weird stuff, the earth return experiments paticularly freaked people out (sticking a light bulb in the dirt and watch it light up), but it didn't take long before we had Telslas three phase alternating current with earth return.
Edison pushed DC very hard, and played the man instead of the ball by attacking Tesla and not AC and succeeded in discrediting Tesla in the USA - so he's become the subject of mystic crystal crap fake TV documentaries. In the rest of the world he's just the guy who came up with the best system that did a lot of experimentation to find out what would work.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
I'm trying to figure out which person you're referring to, the documentary bit seems to point at tesla, but the other part points at edison...
Re:Big Deal (Score:5, Insightful)
Edison was a very capable and not entirely scrupulous businessman, and he wasn't going to let the fact he had a system that was far less safe or efficient than Teslas - so he called Telsla a crank and a dreamer that was promising the impossible. Some of the mud stuck, since Edison was more or less a national hero, and Telsa was from some bit of Eastern Europe full of untrustworthy Jews and Slavs (nineteenth century USA attidudes folks), and since no-one would go against Edison initially Telsa would tell anyone that would listen that there was a conspiricy against him - which was effectively true, but made him look more like a crank.
In the end it was Edisons system that we use at low voltages (transmitting DC is impractical), and Teslas system to move the current long distances and run motors of any decent size. There's nothing weird or mystical about AC current or even broadcast power (which is just high intensity radio waves).
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Interesting)
Real Deal (Score:2)
Do a search on 'Wardenclyffe Tower' to see that you are incorrect about how far he took the wireless power and communication concept. Far beyond un-inked drawings indeed. It was destroyed in 1917 [earlyradiohistory.us].
Re:Big Deal (Score:5, Informative)
I hope they start using this widely. It will make life a lot more intersting...
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
But its different this time.. (Score:2)
Re:But its different this time.. (Score:2, Informative)
Well, not exactly...
All these patents:
645,576 , 649,621 , 613,809 , 685,955 , 685,953 , 985,954 , 787,412 , 723,188 , 725,605
and most notably,
1,119,732
Are all Tesla's patents regarding such a feat.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
Re:Big Deal (Score:5, Informative)
Tesla did Wireless Power, 'with no diminuation with distance'.
Tesla's wireless power was technically demonstrated to be feasable.
But socially unfeasable. Because our Social Structures do not yet permit
a system where you can afford to give away your power for free.
The reason nobody wants to use it, is because with Tesla's system,
you can't METER it - you have to give it away. If you have a Hydro station,
and use Tesla's 'Magnifying Transmitter' (as he called it), then you would be
simply GIVING your power away, because you couldn't control who uses it.
Therefore, all the electric companies used a more limited version of his AC system,
using wires so that you could put a Power-Meter Barnacle on every site that
was using the AC power you supplied.
best regards,
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Again StarTrek way ahead of it's time (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Again StarTrek way ahead of it's time (Score:2)
Who would have thought that a TV show from the 60s would be able to predict something that was invented around one hundred years before that? Talk about predicting what's coming. Next thing you know, they'll be using futuristic devices such as pulleys to lift heavy things, or possibly show the amazing futuristic possibilities of using wheels to make locomotion easier. Oh, I
Re:Again StarTrek way ahead of it's time (Score:2, Funny)
Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:5, Informative)
Then I RTFA (Articles / Advertisements) and realized that they are in fact talking about inductive coupling.
Inductive charging cradles have been used by Sonicare® for several years to charge their cordless toothbrushes.
It pretty cool anyway!
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:4, Interesting)
BTW: I wasn't able to replace the battery without destroying the brush. Worthless.
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
I wouldn't consider yourself worthless just because you couldn't do it. :)
They generally make these things as cheap as possible, which usually means it's impossible to even get it open without damaging or destroying it. Besides, they'd rather you buy a new one than replace the old battery.
BTW, the battery was probably destroyed by constant overcharging. With anything that has a NiCd or NiMH battery and doesn't ha
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, you've got it backwards. Coils with fewer turns can supply more current than coils with more turns, but at a lower voltage. More turns == more voltage, less current. Fewer turns == lower voltage, higher current.
For the purpose of charging a battery, the only concern is voltage. You have to have at least battery voltage in order to get current to flow into the battery. So ideally, you want to use as few turns as n
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
A friend of mine did a year abroad during college, and went to Japan. When he got back, he showed me the cell phone he had in Japan (didn't work with US systems, of course) and it was literally the size of my first two fingers. The phone was all one piece, with an internal unremovable battery. It had a specialized cradle (much like the sonicare cradle) and it recharged without contact
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
Braun does this too. I've had a cordless toothbrush with this for about 3 years. There s a way to recycle the battery (put handle in the charging stand and twist) though I don't know if there are replacement batteries. The only issue has nothing to do with
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2)
Patentable? That's for you to decide.
Re:Wireless - really Inductive Coupling (Score:2, Insightful)
Nikola Tesla? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:5, Informative)
If systems that used magnetic induction between two coils for energy transfer were so inefficient, we wouldn't use these things called transformers EVERYWHERE. In fact, that was the whole point of Tesla's preference for AC power...
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:2)
Then again, I'm married (to a female, yes), and we have found things to do in the bedroom - we're past the
and well into
which should take a total of about 9 months - we expect to
sometime in August so that .sig isn't really applicable to me anyhow.
You think I should chan
EMF & Cancer (Score:2)
Re:EMF & Cancer (Score:2)
It's a bit strange suggesting such an unlikely mechanism, when we have the simple and proven one of induction heating. Alternating electromagnetic feilds heat things up at a distance, including raising the core body temperature of people that are close enough to a strong enough alternating magnetic feild - for example pregnant women working on EMF plastic seam welders in the 19
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:3, Insightful)
Just to drive home how silly this company is, realize that not only is their "Wireless Charging" really just inductive coupling, but that inductive coupling is basically what a Transformer does. You know Transformers, which have been ubiquitous since electricity came into widespread use. They're in every freaking wall dongle and virtually every electronic device's power supply. The difference between "Inductive Coupling Chargers" and transformers is that a transformer is housed in a single case, whereas
Un informative (Score:2)
Transformers are very efficient at transferring power - your house is powered by a transformer taking power from the main line. What he's probably thinking
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:2)
Re:Nikola Tesla? (Score:3, Informative)
To expand on that, we know no such thing. Ionizing radiation (X-rays, gamma rays, etc.) certainly does, but radio and microwaves operate at much lower frequencies and do not cause ionization.
What the effects of non-ionizing RF raditation on meat (i.e. people) are, beyond heating it up, are not really well known yet. Perhaps it does cause cancer
Re:Do not feed the trolls! (Score:2)
Re:Do not feed the trolls! (Score:2)
Seriously though, the `troll' was correct, even though he didn't exactly say it in the best possible way. But more detail was warranted, and I provided that.
Candela rechargeables already do this (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/5cf5/
Re:Candela rechargeables already do this (Score:2)
Oh ok....not so impressive (Score:5, Informative)
At first I read the summary and freaked.
Wireless Power!
My mind raced witht the possible applications...this lasted 1/2 of a second. Then I stopped writing new sci-fi reality in my mind, read the company's website. It's really cool but has no where near the applications of TRUE wireless power.
TRUE wireless power... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:TRUE wireless power... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:TRUE wireless power... (Score:2)
ELECTRIC POWER [wikipedia.org]
Re:TRUE wireless power... (Score:2)
Re:TRUE wireless power... (Score:2)
How is this wireless charging ? (Score:5, Informative)
Sure, there's no actual wire connection to your phone - but it's not like you can just walk around within N feet of some 'emitter' and the phone will charge.
That specific pad still has to plug in somewhere.
And that pad is larger than any travel adapter for a mobile phone - so you won't be taking one with you anytime, which means you'd have to rely on one being present wherever you decide to go ? I don't think so.
And these plates have been around for years. It's called induction charging.
The only place where I might just see it happening is in airports - but given that most devices will not work with this pad, but will still work with a regular charger, I don't see any airport opting to do away with their regular sockets and getting these plates instead.
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
It would however be very useful for watertight cellphones, in much the same way as it's used with cordless rechargeable tootbrushes.
Not that there are many ruggedized/waterproof cellphone models available. Kind of spoils the replacement market.
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
No.. You won't be lugging it around. But you'll have one on your desk at work, another at home. The hotel you stay in will have one next to the phone.
The idea is that all your devices will be charged by it. Throw your cell, music player, and Palm on the rubber matt, walk away. No plugging three dev
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
And even if you could get one of these pads into every hotel, every workplace, every home, there may still be times when you need a charger. What if you're on the road? Will you need to lug around one of these large pads with a car adapter attachment?
It just seems a bit ridiculous to expect "everyone" to have one of these pads.
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
Have a nice solid mahogany desk? Just slap this film on it and it's also a recharging station for any device, without looking any different. Do the same to the dash in your car. Or wherever.
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
Sounds good -- but I bet within a couple of years of that hitting the marketplace there will be reports linking it to cancer or sterility or something bad.
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
And Starbucks. And your desk at work. And...and...and...
I don't see any airport opting to do away with their regular sockets and getting these plates instead.
Why not have both? Build these things into the tabletops in a cafe, wired through the tableleg, as well as the existing wall sockets here and there. Charge an extra $0.25/hour on top of whatever connection fee to recharge your PDA/laptop/cellphone. Reduced liability, because customer
Re:How is this wireless charging ? (Score:2)
Efficiency? (Score:3, Informative)
If this gets popular, say every cell phone uses one of these, what is the total wasted energy? I bet it's huge.
Re:Efficiency? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Efficiency? (Score:2)
Re:Efficiency? (Score:2)
Enjoy! [mobileread.com]
Re:Efficiency? (Score:3, Informative)
RTFA.
Or, barring that, at least read the first few comments.
No energy is "blasted" anywhere. It's a pad with a zillion tiny connectors that you set your phone on. Pretty stupid, really.
Actually, there are no connectors - it uses magnetic induction. Bascially, you run current through a coil generating a magnetic field. The device to be charged contains a similar coil and when this is placed next to the first, the magnetic field generates a charge in the device.
The GP poster you are replying to is
In other news.... (Score:2, Funny)
Slash Power ... (Score:2)
Seeing is believing. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2)
Electric Toothbrushes (Score:3, Insightful)
ahead of its time! (Score:2)
You mean like my 10 year old shaver and 15 year old electric tooth brush?
Gee whiz, replacing a wall-wart with something ten times larger and more obnoxious to try and pack. Oh boy!
I suspect their grand plan is to make these places omnipresent- hotels, airplane lunch trays/armwrests etc....but it's a classic chicken/egg problem. What manufacturer will bother licensing
Re:ahead of its time! (Score:2)
Standards based? (Score:2, Interesting)
This is just a new form factor (Score:2)
Sleep Induction (Score:5, Funny)
Their ad campaign could claim "Wake up in the morning feeling really recharged!!" :P
Re:Sleep Induction (Score:2)
Inductive charging is nothing new (Score:2, Redundant)
The charging pad acts like the primary winding of a transformer. The power receiver serves as the secondary, along with the necessary rectifier, filter, voltage regulator, etc. You're still constrained to keeping your phone in one place during charging - you just don't have to physically plug it in.
The biggest drawback would be the size / weight pen
God Help Us (Score:3, Interesting)
That is, for those of us who still have magnetic media arround like tapes and floppys (renember those)
I've seen this demonstrated (Score:2)
It's a very cool technology, impressively charging multiple devices on the pad at the same time. The product I observed seemed pretty advanced, I wonder what the holdup is in releasing it?
how about microwave tranmission ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, theres another kind: microwave transmission, which is also a demonstrated technology. Theorethically, we could beam power to any distance with it
At one point, Mitshubishi was planning on deployment of sattellite system that would have beamed microwave power to portable devices. SolarBird [mitsubishielectric.com]. They still list a launch date of 2005 but
Heres a Space Solar Power Monitor [wronkiewicz.net], a site that keeps tabs on whats happening on WPT front.
Btw, here's a Wikipedia page on microwave tranmission [wikipedia.org]
Re:how about microwave tranmission ? (Score:2)
A couple nitpicks (Score:3, Funny)
Second, this gave me a chuckle:
A series of recently filed patents may indicate that Slashpower technology is finally ready to march.
Apparently the author lives someplace where filing patents means something tangible!
Please please PLEASE use Coral here! (Score:2)
This should be the default, not an afterthought!
Bah (Score:2)
That's so afro-tech-mod style ... (Score:2, Funny)
http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arn
as you can see, you can already charge your wireless mouse in a wireless way
they filled patents for that ! wow
Sounds great, but... (Score:2)
The problem with inductive coupling is that it requires a fairly strong magnetic field to work well. And we all know what magnetic fields do to things like floppy disks and hard drives...
Though I'm no physicist, it seems to me the magnetic flux required to get a usable inductive transfer would also be strong enough to erase data from a laptop hard drive or nearby floppy. Even if it doesn't erase data, the presence of a strong magnetic field could have a negative effect on the useful life of a hard dri
The trick is ... (Score:2, Informative)
Another example of such power transfer is rfid chips. In that case, the transfer takes place over a range of feet.
Vaporware of 2001. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Vaporware of 2001. (Score:2)
Oh, foi a standard recharging plug (Score:2)
We have two standards now, the big, dumb 12V cigarette lighter outlet, and the ARINC 628 connector found at aircraft seats. The latter has more of a future.
More ground-based stuff for ARINC 628 would be useful. Many laptops will already recharge from it. It is intended for consumer environments, protected against overload, and has a rugged connector. There are even pins for a data connection. But
Already in use for mobile devices (Score:4, Interesting)
Mobile Maxwells (Score:2)
I know... (Score:2)
Dead technology out of the gate (Score:2)
You could probably charge a laptop more effectively with light if its case were fabricated with quad junction GaAs cells (under clear plastic). Then there would be no need for any radiation sources other than ambient light.
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Re:Wireless charging fries brains (Score:5, Interesting)
It still isnt 'wireless'...
Re:cell phone users (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately they also need a system to wirelessly recharge their brain, and we don't have that yet.
Re:My Very First Homemade Laser ... (Score:2)