jcraveiro writes
"MozillaZine announced yesterday that Sunbird, Mozilla's standalone cross-platform calendar project, has reached its first official relase: version 0.2, for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X." This is good news for all of us waiting for decent free calendaring software.
Waiting, eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Palm Desktop 4.1.4 doesn't "require" a Palm device (Score:2, Informative)
ps
I hope Palm doesn't screw it up by changing it. Like they screwed up PDAs by making them too large. The Palm V and Vx were perfect in terms of size and I'd buy one today for $400+ if it could do email in that form-factor. Until then, I'm sticking with my Palm Vx because if the PDA is to
Re:Waiting, eh? (Score:3, Insightful)
Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:4, Informative)
Mozilla can't be integrated with OOo, because of licensing issues, and the enormous bloat it would create, given the two different codebases.
In any case, a web-utilities suite and an office suite aren't enough to constitute a web browser. They would be enough for a simplistic out-of-the-box experience though.
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:4, Funny)
Isn't that some kind of vi clone? (he said as he hid under the table, cowering in fear...)
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:2, Interesting)
That could ultimately lead to a whole range of Mozilla based products. Sounds cool to me!
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:4, Interesting)
What I'd *LOVE* is for such a PHP IDE to have code-folding and a tree view that actually checks my *includes* for functions and objects that will be used. Not to mention, the potential for live-testing would be neato.
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:2)
It's Komodo from ActiveState.
http://www.activestate.com/Products
I've never used it so I'm not commenting on its quality.
Try Quanta Plus (Score:2)
It does most of what you want including code folding and even integrates with gubed (see freshmeat,net), the php debugger written in PHP.
Qunata is ACE, apart from the odd bit of extra unneccesary screen painting which really shows up if you are running coLinux and FreeNX instead of booting natively (sometimes I have to do it that way).
It doesn't check your includes yet...
Sam
Re:Coming Soon: Mozilla, The OS (Score:5, Interesting)
OEone HomeBase.
Check out this screenshot:
http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/bigbBdSgP.jpg [linux.org.ru]
Although it's hard to find info about it, the product integrated OpenOffice into a Desktop written entirely in XUL.
The System Tray (Score:5, Insightful)
There are third party fixes to this, and for all I know extensions that do the same thing, but it would be really nice to have system tray minimization as default behavior.
Re:The System Tray (Score:2, Insightful)
With Thunderbird, if you save a letter to send later, you have no way (that I can find) to send it, you have to restart the program for it to send it self, (in other words, there is no send button, just a recieve button)... Maybe I am wrong, or have the concept mixed up, but, that's how I see it.
Re:The System Tray (Score:4, Informative)
Re:The System Tray (Score:3, Informative)
File Menu --> Send Unsent Messages
Re:Send later with Thunderbird (Score:2)
Re:The System Tray (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The System Tray (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The System Tray (Score:2)
My problem is that it won't minimize the "system tray" (or equivalent) in either KDE or GNOME. It boggles my mind as to why they can't just add that relatively simple feature. Ugh, come on people! This is 2005, not 1995.
I've been using Evolution for ages because of just that one missing feature. I don't care for Evolution because the S/MIME support limited (no PKCS#11 support) or broken.
Re:The System Tray (Score:2)
http://powerpro.webeddie.com/
Is that seriously a show-stopper? (Score:3, Informative)
My current solution is PowerMenu [veridicus.com]; it's tiny, freeware, and gives you a "minimize to tray" option for all windows. I also use it to reorganize things on my taskbar (e.g., comparing old output with new, I can have the older document on the left.
Re:The System Tray (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The System Tray (Score:5, Funny)
Core media player (Score:2)
Ok, i think I'm not making much sense I am very sick, but if you can decypher this, then enjoy.
I've not been waiting (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I've not been waiting (Score:2)
Of course it is unstable now.
Nice (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nice (Score:4, Informative)
I know this isn't the place to ask for tech support so I'm not asking for any. I'm just saying they didn't make it obvious to me how to install Sunbird.
Re:Nice (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nice (Score:2)
Re:Nice (Score:2, Informative)
sudo ln -s
Re:Nice (Score:2)
I had to move over to Evolution (that has e-mail and calendar). So far so good. I'll definitely try this latest Sunbird release to see if it works on amd64 linux.
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Doesn't solve my problem (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Doesn't solve my problem (Score:2)
I have yahoo calendar. A desk calendar ( you know, the one you doodle on --well, not you, me). I also have a calendar in my cell phone, and one at work in my ARRGGHHH!!! lotus notes.
In the last year, I have entered 2 items in the calendar. And never looked back.
I do my tasks in a wiki, as ascii text. Much easier, much faster. not stuck to one pc. (i use 10 machines on a regular basis (home - 2, office - 3, other office - 2 , other office 3, not counting all the "friends" I support when food is
Does it work with Exchange? (Score:2, Interesting)
I've looked at the site, but can't see any mention of it.
Re:Does it work with Exchange? (Score:2)
Nope. Right now the Mozilla Calendar Project and, hence, the standalone Mozilla Sunbird, only support open calendering protocols (CalDAV and ICS). While there is demand for Exchange support, noone has stepped up to offer it. I'd guess, as Sunbird and the Lightning Project [mozilla.org] mature (and if enough demand builds up), someone may release a pay component that handles Exchange connectivity first... followed by an open source on
Re:Does it work with Exchange? (Score:3, Informative)
2- Kmail (or Kontacto) + plugin for exchange.
3- Microsoft Exchange web access.
The days of "I stay with windows becouse of outlook+exchange are over"
Come on, you don't need Windows
Re:Does it work with Exchange? (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm a UNIX SysAdmin, I've been using Linux on the Desktop (not exclusively)
for many years. None of the solutions you mention works well... Believe me,
I have tried them all. They aren't anywhere near as easy to use as a mail/calendar interface as OUTLOOK+Exchange on a native Windows system.
Nor are they as good as using Outlook2000 with CodeWeavers CrossOver office on a Linux box.
Maybe you are right about "don't need", but I would say
PocketPC sync (Score:3, Interesting)
OK, you can blame MS on not opening the ActiveSync protocol, but it should be possible to synchronize Sunbird or Thunderbird with a small client application running on the PocketPC, similar to how IntelliSync works.
PalmOS sync (Score:3, Informative)
Re:PocketPC sync (Score:2)
Thunderbird synch with Symbian would be nice, too - without it, I'm still not really using the T-bird address book as a real contact manager.
Good job (Score:5, Interesting)
The sooner that Exchange is emulated in OSS, the sooner there will be no reason to run Microsoft products on the backend for small and medium sized offices.
* IIS? Gone with Apache.
* File/Print? Gone with Samba.
* Email? Not so fast. We like the groupware functionality of Exchange.
And of course, consultants who don't know any better see that there's no OSS to fulfil the groupware need, and therefore, there's no reason to learn/pitch Apache/Samba. Why bother with those when you can have the "nice integration" of MS products? Once Sunbird/OpenGroupware, et al reaches the ability of invitations, seeing busy/free on other user's calendars, and inviting resources, then Redmond will run real scared.
Good job, Sunbird. You're the missing link and you're looking good.
Re:Good job (Score:2)
For small shops, less than 100 employees, i think it may still be free. Otherwise you can get some peices of it for $50/employee/year.
Re:Good job (Score:2)
I think it would be better if Sunbird and the OSS community designed a good calendaring/email (Sunbird/T-Bird) solution that worked well stand-alone because it would be easi
Re:Good job (Score:3, Interesting)
My organization will in a month or two migrate from our #^$#@% Exchange 5.5 server to Bynari Insight Server [bynari.net]. It uses open source components (Postfix, OpenLDAP, etc) and some proprietary components to put together a pretty good set of features. Our IT director did a TCO study, and Bynari (along with all the other Linux options) costs a small fraction of what Exchange would cost. And we think it wi
There's an even larger picture.... (Score:4, Interesting)
When iCalendar [ietf.org] support is built into everything, it'll be very easy for public groups to see each other's meetings, and for individuals to participate.
I easily lose track of when the Seattle XP programmers, Seattle Perl programmers, Seattle Python programmers, Seattle Robotics Society, Seattle Cosmic, Seattle Wireless, Seattle Java, Seattle C++, Seattle Wikipedia, Seattle FreeBSD Users group, Greater Seattle Linux Users Group, Seattle Bloggers, East side Bloggers, Seattle Futurists, etc., etc., etc.,
Right now, I can only track 1 group at a time. "Is Seattle Python meeting this weekend?" "No?" "Guess there's nobody to see this weekend."
But, as you can see from my short list above (compared to how much activity is actually going on,) there's actually a whole lot going on that I might be interested in visiting.
As Automatic Calendaring picks up, the public will recognize the power of its ability to communicate and organize.
Previously, this is something that only people who could afford secretaries could experience.
Open source groupware standards (Score:3, Informative)
GroupDAV [groupdav.org] is a subset of DAV designed to handle this task. The draft version of the spec is available already, and unlike most new protocols, its primary goal is to be simple enough for widespread implementation. GroupDAV uses the vCalendar/iCalendar and vCard standard data formats, and a simp
Palm? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Palm? (Score:2)
It requires a little bit of legwork, but it's quite doable. Had I a longer commute, I might start doing it again.
Re:Palm? (Score:2)
For the record, I have my wife behind three firewalls: the firewall hardwired into our Linksys router, the firewall that came with WindowsXP SP2, and the Zo
Re:Palm? (Score:2)
ScheduleWorld works far better (Score:3, Interesting)
Wait for 0.3 (Score:3, Funny)
Tuesday, February 4th, 2005: The Sunbird team is proud to announce its first official release: Sunbird 0.2 for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. You can find builds for the different platforms on our download page.
Maybe the day-of-the-week problem will be fixed in 0.3;-)
Release date.... (Score:5, Funny)
You'd think a site for a calendar app would be able to get it's own release date correct...
otherwise, it's a neat app
Too heavy (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Too heavy (Score:2)
New GOOD Software is driving me batty (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm an early adopter and I admit it. It's one of the things I have to deal with. My concern however is, just how many people in the everyday world are willing to stop using Outlook to learn an entirely new way of doing things. Some apps, such as browsers, don't matter as much. A browser is a browser, with a few features here and there, but the underlying concept is the same. Type in a URL and go. Other things though...aye...
Re:New GOOD Software is driving me batty (Score:2)
I'd better wrap this up before I start talking about fuzzy-assed bunnies or something.
Less than stable on Mac OS X (Score:2)
Repeated tr
Re:Less than stable on Mac OS X (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Less than stable on Mac OS X (Score:2)
Unfortunately, I have yet to see an open-source offering that is competitive with the Apple software. They tend to be buggy, they tend to be slow, and they tend to be awkward to use.
Given my linux background, I'll keep on trying the open-source things every few months. Surely they will at least become less buggy, although
Another impending naming debacle? (Score:4, Funny)
Had to chuckle when reading this on the main page:
At the moment the "Sunbird" name is a project name. It is not official and may change in the future.
At least they got that out of the way from the get-go.
Re:Another impending naming debacle? (Score:2)
And *why* have they not been sued over Thunderbird yet??
Re:Another impending naming debacle? (Score:2)
Re:Another impending naming debacle? (Score:3, Interesting)
IIRC there was a "Mustang BBS" way back when, and Ford didn't pester Mustang Software overmuch about that either.
Where is the changelog? (Score:2)
I really can't wait for a sync to palm button. It will make my palm pilot so much more useful.
Rainlendar (Score:3, Interesting)
I like to keep my to-do list on my desktop constantly along with a small calendar, and I think Rainlendar is the perfect tool for that. Takes very little memory and is Open Source. You can only run it in Windows though. Skinnable too so it looks pretty.
Here's a link to the website:
http://www.ipi.fi/~rainy/index.php?pn=p
(I'm not affiliated with the author in any way...just like the product.
But... (Score:2)
Re:But... (Score:2)
Nice but still full of bugs (Score:2)
I could import my old calendar into this new Sunbird, which is nice. (The import was not difficult, but finding the files in the insane directory jungle all these Mozilla projects create was hard. Turned out to be buried in "C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Application Data\Phoenix\Profiles\default\9gltk3bn.slt\Calend a r\". Why is it so hard to tell these p
Here's an often overlooked util (Score:3, Informative)
this is what we are currently using. I is an awesome groupware calendar. exports in vcal/ical and allows you to view other users calendars overlayed with yours.
Full administration through the web interface (JS), all you need is apache and php - all our users love it. This is the perfect small business opensource calendar. A few small things I'd like, but hey - I can hack it to do what I want too
All this doesn't really matter (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, we have Firefox and Openoffice and Evolution. But here's the kicker, there is no Exchange alternative (Opengroupware ain't there yet) that can work with Evolution, or for that matter no non-browser based collab software that works with Gnome (and lets be brutally, this is where the corp Linux desktop is headed).
Now the office really needs the functionality of Exchange as we live and die by meetings and tasks. I slapped myself hard in the head yesterday when I recommended that we install Exchange as a replacement for that really sweet Qmail/Vpopmail/IMAP setup that I installed two years ago. But I had no choice!!!
So every mention of another standalone calendar client with everyone still forgetting about that missing server-side link just drives me crazy! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort, and the calendar client looks nice, but designing a front end without thought for collabaration on the ass end is a bit short sighted.
This is the piece of the puzzle that is preventing shops like mine from completely moving from the dark side. Microsoft knows this and charges through the nose for Exchange CAL and server licenses.
I can live without another story about Yet Another Standalone Calendar.
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
And what is wrong with copying interfaces? Where did Window's, Mac OS's and X11's window manager concept come from? (Hint: it wasn't Apple, Microsoft, or X).
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
It amazes me the way some people think that all innovation comes from Apple.
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
And while I certainly don't think Apple is the font of all wisdom, even I've gotta say this is far from the only example of OSS copying interface features from the Mac. Frankly, I'd be happy if they copied less from Windows and more from the Mac OS.
Actually, Microsoft's (Score:4, Informative)
No, it was not in the Mozilla suite (aka Seamonkey). In fact, it still isn't. It was first seen in Internet Explorer on Macintosh, then (with a lot of refinement) in Mac OS X 10.0, then copied almost pixel by pixel (with an improvement in behaviour) to Firefox.
Is it a big deal? No. But at least don't refute its history.
Internet Explorer for Mac Release Dates [wikipedia.org] (IE 5 was March 2000)
Mac OS X 10.0 Review, Page 10 [arstechnica.com] "The real fun starts when you select "Customize Toolbar..." from the "View" menu (or shift-click the toolbar widget in the window title bar). The contents of the window are replaced by a palette of toolbar widgets shamelessly reminiscent of Internet Explorer's toolbar customization feature."
Independent Mac OS X 10.1 Release Date [arstechnica.com] Mac OS X was released on March 24th, 2001, with a suggested retail price of $129 and a version number of 10.0.
First Customize Toolbar In Any Mozilla Product [mozilla.org] A few of the features new to this release include: Customizable toolbar.
Phoenix 0.1 Release Date [mozillazine.org] (September 23rd, 2002; over a year later)
Oops. (Score:2)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2, Interesting)
sunbird uses the same thing, why fix something that isn't broke? besides the best part of this is, you can export your iCal calendar and load it into Sunbird and it does the exact same thing. it coexists with iCal, unlike Outlook which
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Good point, and oftentimes I do wish it were possible to hack proprietary software to add missing features and the like.
How do you suggest I contribute, though? Should I submit a bug to Bugzilla titled "Interface is wretched"? Should I write to the developers with a point-by-point list of what might be improved, or would they consider this whining?
I suppose I could commission a graphic artist to make it look better, but iCal already s
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
An exact copy is never better than the original. In order to make it better, it must, at a minimum, be different (not that everything different is automatically better).
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
While I don't refute that Firefox and Sunbird rippped off Mac OS X, they did manage to improve it a little. In Firefox and Sunbird, dragging a tool icon out of the window and into the tool bar causes it to disappear from the window. This makes it much easier to find the tool icons you're not using.
While confusing to Mac users like myself (and thus, probably not a good idea on the Mac at all), it is a better way to do it.
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
I mean, it seems to me you could just as easily say: iCal works, so why mess with it?
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
It just rubs me the wrong way when you hear (from some people) open source foo is superior to proprietary foo, or more conducive to creativity, or more original or whatever. Because even as they speak, the other hand's busy ripping off proprietary innovations like this toolbar interface.
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Re:Looks like iCal... (Score:2)
Re:whine whine (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:whine whine (Score:3, Funny)
You assume we all run some form of Unix.
Ok, so there's also planner-mode in emacs, which works just fine under unix, windows, and probably whatever platform you fancy.
Re:whine whine (Score:2)
KOrganizer has some annoying bugs. For example, you can export to a web page, which is good. But what if you want to do that automatically? Check the preferences, and there is an "export to HTML automatically on ever save" option. But it does nothing, and is not mentioned in the documentation.
Or consider KOrganizer's todo list handling. It's cool that it supports sub-todo items. However, in the "what's next" list,
Re:Is it integrated with Thunderbird yet? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Is it integrated with Thunderbird yet? (Score:2)
Thunderbird integration and the Lightning project (Score:5, Interesting)
The Mozilla Calendar Project is actually a plugin for Firefox and Thunderbird that adds a calendar to either program. Mozilla Sunbird is the standalone version of this.
The calendar plugin doesn't really "integrate" into Thunderbird as most would like, though, which is why the Lightning project [mozilla.org] was begun (it was mentioned on Slashdot [slashdot.org] in December.) The Lightning project aims for "tight" integration with Thunderbird, so you get more of a seamless program to handle all your email, calendar, contact and task needs. Expect to see more about Lightning later this year.
Re:mozilla composer (Score:2)