GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Screenshot Demo 480
linuxbeta writes "GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 has just been released. There is a nice screenshot demo here. Also known as 2.9.90, GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March. Like the good old days of Linux kernel development, GNOME uses odd minor version numbers to indicate development status. Please check the 2.9 start page for more info. - gnomedesktop.org/node/2138"
Shitty SS's (Score:5, Funny)
Is it me, or does this look worse than the stock ubuntu install Gnome?
Re:Shitty SS's (Score:5, Informative)
If you look through the screenshots, it is an Ubuntu install, and has a number of the Ubuntu customisations already, so it's not even very representative of what the general GNOME 2.10 user is going to get. All up, the screenshots aren't worth your time, head here [gnome.org] to see what changes GNOME 2.10 has.
Jedidiah.
Re:Shitty SS's (Score:2)
I'm kinda disenchanted with GNOME these days.
Re:Shitty SS's (Score:2)
Fonts look nice (Score:2, Insightful)
And I'm not sure I'd like that "Courtesy of OSshots" banner at the top. Ugly.
So my initial reaction, is, "Hey, that's cool. Where did the mouse pointer go?" Then my second reaction was, "It looks like every other window manager out there."
Screenshots are nice, but what are they trying to show us that can't be done with any other window manager?
Re:Fonts look nice (Score:2)
Re:Fonts look nice (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Fonts look nice (Score:5, Informative)
I think this [gnome.org] is what you're looking for - of course this one is "old news" having been posted on Slashdot previously. It does a lot better of job of actually showing you what to expect in GNOME 2.10 than the selection of Ubuntu screenshots from OSDir though.
Jedidiah.
Re:Fonts look nice (Score:2)
I'm sure they've put a lot of work into it, but that it's very difficult for an end user to tell what has actually changed. what is signifigant is that this is a fea
Re:Fonts look nice (Score:5, Interesting)
Seen it. Not impressed. Many vertical strokes were anti-aliased to be two pixels wide when they should render one wide. It makes the text look blurry. I've seen that on Linux before too, though it's since been fixed (problem with the font hinting?).
I use Gnome. Looks great on my LCD with sub-pixel anti-aliasing. I suspect the problem with the screenshots is that they use the default fonts (the free Bitstream ones I think). I use the Microsoft fonts, mostly Verdana. Verdana may not be pretty but it's designed for on-screen readability, and renders well.
Re:Fonts suck (Score:3, Informative)
ATS (Apple Type Services) has been revised repeatedly in the years since. Font rendering certainly was something of a dog's breakfast in earlier OS X versions, and is no doubt not perfect today. But if you're going to make comparisons with the latest GNOME/FreeType/Whatever, it would be more valid to refer to the latest version of OS X.
release date (Score:2)
Vectorized graphics (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know if that's part of X or not, but Gnome uses the monitor info to determine the DPI for the current resolution and thus, all gnome fonts are drawn at proper size regardless of what resolution or monitor you're on.
You can hold a pica pole up to the screen and see that yes, indeed,
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
IRIX had them long before I used my first SGI machine in 1996. Great in principle, but the downside is that they were ugly as hell. A net loss.
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
Yes, I'm bragging. Click here [rahga.com].
(For what it's worth, I don't care about using SVG for icons just yet. Perhaps one day, we will se people running at least 133 dpi regularly, then I'll consider it. That day is not today.)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:2)
Re:Vectorized graphics (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you need so many resolutions? Why can't everything be 128x128? Because that same icon is going to be used as the app icon in the folder or destkop, a smaller size if the folder is in a columnar view mode, as a quick launch icon on the panel, and as a mini icon in the titlebar or task manager. You will also have the rude heretic users who will change the GNOME defaults.
Difference (Score:2, Insightful)
Difference? Difference! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Difference (Score:5, Informative)
I am going to presume you meant really, rather then relay.
How about the places menu [osdir.com], the MultiMedia Systems Selector [osdir.com], maybe the Device Manager [osdir.com] or the Dictionay [osdir.com].
But honestly, this is an incremental release. What were you expecting? A complete revamp?
Re:Difference (Score:2)
Re:Difference (Score:2)
I can't help but notice that the sound control panel -- er, sorry, the "multimedia systems selector audio tab" --doesn't have a volume control on it.
Sigh.
Re:Difference (Score:2)
The multimedia systems selector allows you to select which multimedia systems, both audio and video, programs will use. What would you have called it?
To change the volume, you click on the little volume icon shown at the top right of the screen.
Re:Difference (Score:3, Insightful)
> read "Sound."
Then I don't understand how the fact that the multimedia systems selector is *not* a volume control, could have escaped your understanding.
> Sound and video are two different things. They don't belong together. Break
> one out and call it -- I'm gonna get wacky here --"Sound," and the other
> "Video."
The actions of picking which subsystems to use for audio/video (hence the 'multi' in multimedia)
Re:Difference (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Difference (Score:4, Informative)
And you shouldn't if you don't use GNOME, because even if you did use it, you're not supposed to need to select a different backend for GStreamer. Some distros don't even include it in the menu [ubuntuforums.org] because its advanced configuration that most users will never need. It's purpose is to allow you to use a different sound server, like KDE's artsd. If you want to know more about it, google some of the terms you don't know about. I'm not trying to to belittle you, but you're coming out of nowhere trying to put down the design of things you've never even used. It shouldn't be a surprise that you don't know the purpose of some things.
Volume isn't related to sound controls? I think you'll find you're mistaken.
No, that's not what I said. Volume isn't related to the Multimedia Systems Selector. It's named that because that's exactly what it is. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it should have a volume control slapped on it. Like I said before, it's a window that you would never see unless you typed the command in the command line since it's not in the menu.
What's a panel, and what's an applet?
Panels are the bars at the top and bottom of the screen. they hold programs called applets. Look in the screenshot you were referring to [osdir.com]. See the little speaker icon at the top right? That's what any user trying to change the volume would go to, not the Multimedia Systems Selector, because, for the third and final time, it's an advanced configuration program not meant for most users to deal with.
Pop in one of the many live CDs that have been posted on Slashdot over the past week or so and try out GNOME. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how much easier it is to use than you think. There's still a lot of room for improvement though, and it gets better with every release. I hear 2.10 has a new volume control applet.
Re:Difference (Score:2)
Re:Difference (Score:3, Interesting)
In English, we "do this to that." That is to say, we apply an action to an object. We don't specify an object and then describe an action. We "open door," we don't "door open."
The nut is that trying to teach people to think object-then-action is a chore. It's a process that has to be learned.
A far, far better paradigm is the gestural paradigm. Click, double-click, click-a
Re:Difference (Score:2, Insightful)
That's why there are
Re:Difference (Score:5, Funny)
Even worse, you're considered informative on slashdot.
Let's do the timewarp again!
Gnome? (Score:4, Insightful)
A changelog be more useful than crappy screenshots...
And why is this news anyway? There's several hundred current distros. Wheres the news posts for all those?
Re:Gnome? (Score:5, Informative)
Indeed, this story seems to be a waste of time. If you want screenshots that actually show you what you're getting that's different, look here [gnome.org]. It's old news (it's been up for some time), but it gives you a far better idea of what you're getting.
Jedidiah.
Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (Score:2)
It's a requirement for being usable in some areas (some governments IIRC require it).
Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (Score:2, Interesting)
In my opinion, Gnome has looked the same since around 2.2 - 2.4. Nothing new, really.
Call me a naysayer if you will, but I'm not impressed.
Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (Score:2)
"Assistive Technology" is also the most recent in a long, long series of examples of taking a perfectly reasonable idea and making it so bafflingly complicated that even people with lots of computer experience look at it and go, "What the hell?"
Volume Control (Score:5, Interesting)
What, does it go to 11 ? (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't think there could be much room left for new invention in volume controls.
Re:What, does it go to 11 ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure there is.. someone out there needs to invent a volume control that will mute Flash without muting itunes/rhythmbox etc.
bad menu UI (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:bad menu UI (Score:2, Troll)
That is one (minor) thing that has nonetheless always annoyed the hell out me. Another is how difficult it is to add extra items to the "Start Menu" under Gnome. KDE is so much uglier than Gnome, but at least all I need to do is open up the Prefs dialogue and hit "right-click>Add New Item" to add an app.
You have to edit some text file hidden deep in the bowels of the system to
still only one background for workspaces (Score:3, Insightful)
A geeks wishlist... (Score:3, Insightful)
A decent default theme (Grey is ugly. Get over it.)
I love gray, but GNOME ain't gray (Score:2)
Frankly, the default looks of both GNOME and KDE are rather ugly. I used to think it was just GNOME that was ugly--not only the default theme, but also most user's themes, but I've since realised that most KDE themes (including the default) are just as ugly.
Re:I love gray, but GNOME ain't gray (Score:3, Insightful)
Um. It seems like you either misspelled "grey" or you misspelled "color." Pick one and stick with it, huh?
Re:I love gray, but GNOME ain't gray (Score:3, Funny)
I'm startled by the number of people who didn't get the joke.
In Commonwealth countries, the word we use as a synonym for hue is spelled "colour," and the word we use for a shade of black is spelled "grey." In the US, it's "color" and "gray."
The guy wrote "colour" and "gray," which means that one of those two words was misspelled. But we can't know which one, see, because we
KISS: Ubuntu and Gnome (Score:4, Interesting)
Backwards? (Score:2, Funny)
Question? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Question? (Score:5, Informative)
You can right-click in the menus for some options. You can also, for example, open a nautilus browser window and type 'applications://' in the URL bar to edit the applications menus as if they were directories.
Check out the GNOME docs on menu editing. They're not perfect, but they aren't too bad.
Re:Question? (Score:2)
Some useful info on
Tom
Re:Question? (Score:2)
You have got to be joking me.
How about right-click on footprint, menu editor? Why can't there be something like that? And that takes you to some sort of application?
If the poster -- or more appropriately, average user -- can't figure it out by the first three guesses, it's not obvious and by extention wrong for a gui.
Heck, there's someone who asked for the comment to be modded up because he couldn't figure out how to remove an icon from the menu!
Tell me when gnome catches up with KD
Why is that the default gnome theme? (Score:2)
gnomeflexiserver tied in with xscreensaver (Score:5, Interesting)
This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.
The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.
Also, I recently set up my
Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.
I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how
Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.
Perhaps I'm missing something... (Score:3, Insightful)
Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wow! (Score:2)
I want to see screenshots of peoples faces when they have been trying for three hours to untar this, complile that and generally unzip the other but STILL can't get the damm thing installed.
I didn't RTFA but can it.... (Score:2)
For 5 releases (2.4 to 2.9), I haven't been able to drag and drop a new ICON/application into the START menu bar, yet.
Last time I tried this, it involved a convoluted method of editing three different files just to borne a new application menu item within the START menu.
(sigh).
Re:I didn't RTFA but can it.... (Score:4, Informative)
You didn't actually try it did you? Come on, 'fess up...
Try any of the following:
1. Right click on the menu. Click "Enture Menu" -> "Add New Item To This Menu"
2. Open nautilus, go to "applications:///". Right click, click "Create Launcher".
3. Right click on the desktop, click "Create Launcher". Drag the resulting launcher to the panel.
4. Open the Applications menu, drag an item to your desktop (it would be nice if this worked the other way around, but it doesn't for me - YMMV).
Admittedly, 1 only works on launcher items in the menu, not items that are actually submenus. Even so, it would be nice if you could *try* the feature you're complaining about before you complain.
Note: The above works for me in GNOME 2.8, Debian/Sid edition. Not sure how much variation there is in other distros.
Better screenshots/descriptions (Score:5, Informative)
Innovation at Slashdot! (Score:5, Funny)
GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March.
To those who say the Slashdot staff are resting on their laurels, I present you with what I believe to be the first case of single-story duplicity!
Re:Innovation at Slashdot! (Score:4, Funny)
fix the file selection (Score:3, Insightful)
I just hope they fix that godawful file selection thing. I have never found a tool so unfriendly to "power users". I mean, what's up with forcing people to browse instead of letting them type the path.
I mean having to browse through to
Re:fix the file selection (Score:3, Informative)
Re:fix the file selection (Score:2)
Yes I can configure Mozilla to know about it, but there is no reason why this particular dialog should be made more difficult than before.
GNOME (Score:3, Insightful)
Why does GNOME always seem to be in a state of trying to define itself - to always be in the concept stage? Perpetually in ALPHA state.
Is GNOME still the GNU Network Object Model Environment of old?
Now, in favor of GNOME I must add: There are some GNOME apps that just rock. I really like the process list, some of the games and the panel apps. The widgets are crisp, beautiful and intuitive just like they were on the original GIMP.
The GNOME guys have got alot of impressive code. Now to use that code to form a cohesive and easy to use interface that doesn't change drastically with every point release.
Re:GNOME (Score:2)
Umm, I and countless others use GNOME on a daily basis. What makes you think it's in an alpha state? Well, except, oh, maybe if you run from CVS. So therefore KDE, XFCE, and every other project known to man is also alpha?
GNOME's mission is more defined than KDE. Their goal is provide a consistent, intuitive, and accessible interface for all users for Free (note the
Better overview of new features (Score:3, Informative)
What is the (Score:2)
Everything changes but change itself. (Score:3, Interesting)
Screenshoots? Is this a fashion site or what? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's the fonts, stupid (Score:3, Interesting)
Am I the only one left who prefers clean bit-mapped fonts?
Sure, the screenshots shown in the article look pretty snappy from a distance, because the fonts are large. But to get a lot of work done you want small, even tiny fonts. That's the whole point of high screen resolution, right?
Antialiased small fonts look awful. Compare the crisp, clean bitmaps of NeXTSTEP [levenez.com] or even Windows to the small blurry fonts in GNUStep [collaboration-world.com] or the Mac [collaboration-world.com]. With aliasing letters bleed together , the shapes aren't quite right, etc. It gets so tiring to read after a while.
And if you turn off antialiasing they're barely legible (and sometimes even touch each other - I hate it when letters touch each other!) because no one takes the time to produce correct bitmaps for specific font sizes. (OK, to be honest I haven't seen the Mac with antialiasing turned off.) I don't even care about a zillion different sizes, just give me a couple of fixed sizes, small and smaller, that look right.
As much as I hate Windows, one thing it has going for it is that the fonts are very clean and legible with antialiasing turned off. I tried the latest Ubuntu for a while, playing with all the font settings available (even LCD subpixel) and in end couldn't stand it because of the fonts. Such a beautiful OS gone to waste because it's unreadable with antialiasing turned off, and I can't stand it turned on. Isn't readability like half the point of a computer in the first place? Or do all people care about anymore is just getting a pretty "printed page" effect from a blurry distance?
The irony is that font bitmaps are not even copyrightable! Heck, just steal them from NEXTStep! Or even Windows! (The bitmaps, that is.) Why doesn't anyone do this?
(End rant.)
Re: It's the fonts, stupid (Score:5, Interesting)
As others have said, you can usually disable AA on your fonts; but if you're running at a reasonably high resolution, on a reasonable quality monitor, with a reasonable font renderer, then it's worth giving them a second try.
file chooser still broken (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, GNOME has added typeahead find to the dialog. Well, that got rid of the CTRL-L nonsense, but it's still hidden functionality, and doesn't allow users to paste in filenames.
This is just incompetence.
Gnome Sucks (Score:3, Funny)
Enlightenment. Now that's a man's GUI.
- IP
Re:What about Nautilus (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What about Nautilus (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What about Nautilus (Score:2)
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2, Informative)
Why would anyone bother using Linux, when a brand-new Mac can be had for $499?
Maybe you already have an x86 that you want to use.
Maybe you already have a mac?
Or maybe you don't like the fact that a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card which can't (officialy) be upgraded, when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?
Or maybe you prefer the various desktops available for linux to Mac OS X?
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2)
Apple can show you that minimalistic hardware can g
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2)
But if you think that Aqua is the pinnacle of widget looks, then there are plenty of themes that make KDE and Gnome widgets look exactly like Aqua widgets.
Perhaps Gnome could use a sleeker default theme, but saying that Linux desktops aren't 'purty' is non-sense.
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2, Insightful)
Face it guys, it's all well and good to have principles but the average joe/jane wants to have access to closed source apps on their platform of choice.
Linux advocates must also come to the hard realization tha
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
Besides, I thought that personal tastes are just that. Personal.
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2)
How are you supposed to tell which is the active window? Why are the window controls not vertically centered inside the window title bars? Why is the type incorrectly kerned? Why are random letters in control labels underlined? Is the scroll bar thumb the light gray part or the dark gray part? Why is some of the type antialiased and some not? Why is there a short horizontal line near the bottom of your "faux Finder" window? Why is there a white line on th
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2)
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2)
That's an excellent point (which I talked about here [robert.to]). In fact, the reason I switched from Macintosh development to Windows development is because the tools on Windows are many times better than Apple's crashy UI slapped on top of Gnu's Objective-C compiler and GDB.
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
[begin rant]
I'm getting goddamn sick and tired of fan-boy posts, be they linux, mac, windows, goddamn paper tape, etc. Take the time to actually use a platform and you'll realize that it probably has its merits (yes even windows). Go out, stop trolling, and get a life. Posts like the parent and grandparent are the reason why slashdot is sometimes such a pain to read.
[end rant]
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2, Redundant)
I hate to say it but I just can't use Linux as a desktop any longer. I've completely switched to MacOS X for all my work both at home and at work. It gives me all the Unix goodness I'm accustomed to with a great zero-maintenance UI.
That's not to say that Linux doesn't have a place in my home, though. I currently have a headless box in my closet that's my home NFS server with several websites on it.
Michael. [michael-forman.com]
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (Score:3, Insightful)
You know what, Mr. AC ? If we would judge an OS by it's looks, noone would ever buy WinXP or else, and Apple would've become world leader with OSX.
Thing is, which is not necessarily sad, but nevertheless true, that the most part of computer users are not in any way developers, nor do they want to do anything development related, nor do they wish to know the insides or power usabilities of any OS they ever coem in co
Re:Differences (Score:2)
Re:But does it now have a usable interface ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Your second point seems to have been corrupted by slashdot filters or something. Let me try to rephrase that for you:
Bug Submission #1
Severity: Enhancement
Title: Allow quicker navigation through nautilus file windows through keyboard navigation
Description: Finding files in a Nautilus directory view could be made much quicker if simple type-ahead find was implemented. Several other GUI