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KDE 3.4 Beta 2 ('Keinstein') Released 67

Posted by timothy from the very-large-thank-you dept.
Carewolf writes "Finally the KDE 3.4 beta 2 has been released (codename "Keinstein"). Besides being the latest and greatest, it also marks the KDE 3.4 feature freeze and will provide a good demonstration of the splendors that will be KDE 3.4. Feature and release plans can be found here, and the news is also covered on the dot. Download now and help hunt the last bugs for the next major release of KDE."
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KDE 3.4 Beta 2 ('Keinstein') Released

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  • Doesn't this belong under Linux, or a new section called Apps or something... I remember this happening a few months ago with a GNOME release. I subscribe to the BSD stuff because I care about BSD.

  • Keinstein? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kentyman ( 568826 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2005 @07:13PM (#11624556)
    Do they know that translates to "No Stone" in German?
  • So... does the name mean they're finally out of the stone age, or that Gnome took even their stones from them?
    • Maybe it's about kidneys...

  • change log... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jungd ( 223367 ) * on Wednesday February 09, 2005 @07:18PM (#11624591)
    anyone?
    (I wasted enough time trying to find what was different already)

  • Make KDE faster? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by WMD_88 ( 843388 )
    Perhaps 4.0 is a better target for this...but how about making the thing faster and/or less of a memory hog? Starting with the 3 series (especially 3.1), KDE is even slower than Windows XP!

    I miss the old days, where KDE 1.1 ran fast on a P133. :(

    There's still a chance for 3.4...no new features. I'm sure they could crunch the code at least a little bit!

    • 1) Turn off eye-candy
      2) Profit?

      Seriously, it's not that shabby once you turn off the eye-candy; it's not like OS X with Quartz (as in, does a lot of GPU offloading)

      KDE can really be as fast or as slow as you want it to be....
      • I know KDE *can* be fast - it's not like OS X 10.0, which was slow on everything. BUT...the specs necessary to make KDE run well are far too high. Try running it on 128MB RAM? Ha, it'll fill that up and then some. 256MB is enough to run KDE and maybe two other programs. It launches a dozen/more processes by itself! :O

        Considering Linux is supposed to run well on older machines, I figure KDE could be slightly more than a dog on 128MB. (Yes, I know...run XFce/Fluxbox/etc. I run XFce even on 512MB, so

        • Re:Make KDE faster? (Score:1, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward
          *Linux* does run well on older machines. But KDE and Gnome aren't Linux, they're programs that run on Linux systems :)
          • Well, yeah, I know that...but, it certainly helps if there's a whole desktop that can run well along with. After all, you could just use Windows 95 otherwise.

        • 256MB is enough to run KDE and maybe two other programs.

          My machine has 1GB of RAM. But still: I have studied how much RAM KDE eats (I have 64bit AMD64-machine, so the mem-consumption is a bit higher than on a 32bit machine). With full-blown desktop (including services like Klipper, Kopete, Kwallet and the like) plus few apps (Konqueror, Amarok, Kontact, Konsole), the whole system eats about... 150MB of RAM. If I start a brand-new KDE-session in the background with a host of yet another apps, the RAM-consu

          • I think we just have to face the fact that there are people out there, mainly gnomer's and fluxbox users that have too many false claims about KDE. I have gotten tired of correcting them.

            I have come to the conclusion that if they say that KDE is bloated, let them be. If they were to use KDE and become a developer they would have a chance of convincing people that technology points such as kparts and ioslaves are useless and KDE should just be a WM. Think of where they could potentially direct KDE developme

    • Re:Make KDE faster? (Score:5, Informative)

      by bluGill ( 862 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2005 @10:04PM (#11625886)

      KDE is getting faster all the time. The core of KDE is generally faster now than in the 1.x timeframe. A few things are slower because they do more. Overall though KDE is fast. Effort is being made all the time to make things faster.

      I use KDE 3.3 on a ppro-200 with 128Meg of ram and it works just fine.

      That said, there are some things that will be much faster in KDE 4.x because qt4 is better in those areas.

      • Cut it out. :p

        I ran 3.1 on a P/166 with 32MB ram. Typical program load times (that is, with included KDE/Qt apps) was around 20-30 seconds. More recently I used 1.1 on a P/133 with 40MB ram. Load times? About a third of that.

        Not to sound mean...but faster now than then? Bullocks.

    • I miss the old days, where Windows 95 ran fast on a P133 with 4Mb :-)
    • unfortunately like gnome, they tend to love the idea of integrating a file manager with a web browser.

      Takes quite a while to even get it started on my P4 3.0GHz
      • Weird, Konqueror loads in about 1 second on my A64 3200+. The whole desktop loads in about 8 seconds (IIRC), but that is not that important, since I don't spend my time loading and then re-loading the desktop. I load it once, and then I just use it.
    • KDE runs fine for me, with all eye-candy turned on, though I run it on a 64-bit system.
  • Someone hook us up with some screenies :)

    • Re:Pretty Please (Score:2, Insightful)

      by archen ( 447353 )
      Look at the 3.3 screenshots and ad .1

      Not to troll, but this is an incramental upgrade - you're not going to see a night and day difference. Although I'm always quite happy with the usability changes and added features, they aren't the sort of things you see from screenshots of someones desktop with a different wallpaper (usually). Seems sort of silly to slashdot KDE.org for each beta over screens that are more or less the same

      • Re:Pretty Please (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        > Look at the 3.3 screenshots and ad .1

        It will have a different default style, window decoration and color scheme. For some people that are visible differences, other will perhaps not notice.

  • Why BSD? (Score:3, Funny)

    by menace3society ( 768451 ) on Thursday February 10, 2005 @02:57AM (#11627591)
    Is this posted with the BSD daemon because KDE is so hellish to use?

  • Quartz anyone? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by NEOtaku17 ( 679902 ) on Thursday February 10, 2005 @05:33AM (#11628063) Homepage

    My only question is when is it going to have the ability to offload some of its graphical heavy lifting to the GPU so we can get a good speed increase. That is one area OSX really does very strongly in, that KDE is extremely weak.

    • Re:Quartz anyone? (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      All OSX offloads to the GPU is compositing, which is why resizing windows is so choppy. X is getting that ability Real Soon Now(tm). (GPU-based compositing, I mean. It already has choppy window resizing.)

    • Re:Quartz anyone? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Illissius ( 694708 ) on Friday February 11, 2005 @12:04PM (#11643250)
      KDE 3.4 already has preliminary support for X.org's Composite extension, meaning compositing can be handed off to hardware, true transparency, drop shadows, and all that. Unfortunately it's still rather buggy, which is only partly KDE's fault, and partly X.org's (it's still a fairly new development). I'd say it's pretty safe to say 4.0 will have full support for hardware acceleration and all kinds of iCandy... especially considering Qt4's Arthur.

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