Improving the Windows XP User Interface? 265
Pimpin' Up Windows asks: "Many of us are forced to live with Windows XP for our day-to-day computing needs - at work, home or school - and longingly look to the not only beautiful, but functional and efficient, Mac OS X 'Aqua' user interface. Apart from just themes, what would be Slashdot reader's suggestions for improving the user interface of XP? What changes, add-ons and other improvements could further enhance its usability?"
Clippy. (Score:4, Funny)
For something a bit more serious and sweeping... (Score:2)
even better, get answers from slashdot! (Score:3, Funny)
You: "How do I format this?"
C: "M$ WinBLOWS! l33t s3cret@r13s use OPENOFFICE!"
you could really run with this one...
Dancing Hamsters (Score:2)
Win XP Power Toys (Score:5, Informative)
There are some good ones here. I like:
Re:Win XP Power Toys (Score:2)
I have tried this, and found it seriously lacking. Windows was not designed for this sort of thing, and software, in general, does not know how to handle it. I have found that it is unstable, and it is impossible to move windows from one desktop to another.
Re:Win XP Power Toys (Score:2)
Re:Win XP Power Toys (Score:2, Informative)
I currently use Enhanced Vitual Desktops available from on Windows2000 SP4 and have had no problems moving windows between desktops. I have had explorer.exe crash and all the tray icons disappear and EVD is still running along fine, switching desktop
Re:Win XP Power Toys (Score:4, Interesting)
I had pretty much constant problems with the multiple virtual desktop setup in XP, but the multiple monitor support in applications is pretty good these days.
Re:Win XP Power Toys (Score:3, Informative)
FWIW, I can second this. The local computer store we bought our office PCs from for a while happened to be installing a video card with a second port. Once when we upgraded a few people there were some spare 17" monitors lying around, and one of the guys tried hooking it up to his XP box to see how Windows coped with a second screen. The answer was that it coped very well, as did the applications in almost all cases, and he (and now several other colleagues) became an instant convert. Having a real second m
And on a related note (Score:5, Informative)
Also check out the many useful tools available from SysInternals [sysinternals.com]. These guys are serious Windows hackers and know how to integrate tightly with the internals. For general use, Process Explorer is a must-have replacement for task manager, and many of the others are useful if you're working in the areas they concern. And they give them away free, and a fair bit of source code too, bless them.
Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:5, Interesting)
One of my biggest pet peeves is that if I make the Windows XP taskbar 2 rows tall instead of one, the start button only takes up the top row instead of spanning both or taking up the bottom row.
This results in a spot underneath the start button that has no use. This also breaks the shortcut of clicking on the bottom left corner of the screen to access the start menu.
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:3, Informative)
If you right click in there, you can access the toolbar access stuff without bringing up the properties of that particular icon. That's not to say I disagree with you, but rather just pointing out that it's not completely 100% useless. (That's typically where I go when I either need the task manager or to unlock the taskbar.)
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:2)
Taskbar should be one row.
System tray icons should be "Always Hide" by default, not "hide when inactive" for new ones.
And now that I have a laptop for work, I use two independant taskbars. (ultramon does it, there are probably other vendors)
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:2)
Alt + Ctrl + Delete does it too, but sometimes I want to use my mouse. (Like when I'm using my TabletPC in slate mode, for example.)
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:5, Insightful)
Say what you want about the Windows UI. In my opinion it is far better than the OS X UI, NOT because of its inherent functionalty, but because its far more customizable than the Mac UI. The Windows UI also does a passable job supporting keyboard shortcuts in a consistent way, and making more of the UI accessible from the keyboard.
The Mac theory of UI seems to revolve around Apple knowing the right way to do something. But different people end up working with the UI in different ways. There's never just one right way to do a thing with something as complex as an application or an operating system.
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:3, Interesting)
On the flip side, though, this philosophy makes it considerably easier to support the user. If people re-map their kb shortcuts and the locations of their icons, it's considerably harder to tell or show somebody how to do something in particular.
I run into this problem with Lightwave, sometimes. When they went from version 7 to 8, they remapped a
Re:Start button doesn't stay in the bottom left (Score:2)
Virtual Desktops (Score:2, Informative)
Useability? (Score:5, Interesting)
Turn off menu delays
Turn off every other stupid effect
Install unix command line tools
Never use IE or Outlook
Install some decent fonts
It might not be as pretty, but it is more functional.
Re:Useability? (Score:2)
Well, except for the decent fonts thing.
Re:Useability? (Score:2)
I've got the bitstream vera fonts and some other installed on my laptop (Gentoo), and I now can't stand going back to Windows because of the horrible fonts. Once you forget how fonts are 'supposed to look', you'll realize how ugly the MS default fonts are.
Re:Useability? (Score:2)
The only thing i find the freedesktop still cant hold a candle to (and this is just right now , as projects such as cairo are really showing promis) is OS X
Re:Useability? (Score:4, Insightful)
I like to bash MS as well, but Georgia [microsoft.com] and (especially) Verdana [microsoft.com] are lovely (read more here [will-harris.com]). Verdana-Regular-8 is a great non-antialiased font that I use for everything (including coding).
An aside - why do so many coders insist on using non-proportional fonts in their editor of choice (we've come a long way from text-mode displays)? Proportional fonts are more readable and take up less horizontal space on the screen. Try it!
Re:Useability? (Score:3, Interesting)
With fixed space fonts you can put one of these :
for an 80 character wide ruler, cut it and paste it as necessary into your code and Voila! instant width chart (make it whatever size you want.)
I have also found that my head OCR's faster with certain fonts (Courier 10 point, San Serif
Re:Useability? (Score:2)
The only argument I could think of as to why people would want to use non-proportional fonts is so that they can line up text after non-whitespace characters on a line. IMHO this is a small price to pay for the increased readibility and better use of space. I suppose they're good for ASCII art though...
Programming fonts (Score:2)
I've spent a long time trying to find a decent programming font that's not tiny but still distinguishes the usual similar characters clearly. (My eyes aren't good enough, particularly when running at the high res I prefer for other reasons, for all these single-figure-square bitmap jobs.)
I did try several proportional fonts for a while, including Verdana, but it just proved too difficult to keep the code tidy. Too many things I read and write take up more than one line, and we try to keep things as inhere
Re:Useability? (Score:2)
win XP needs a contextual helper... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:win XP needs a contextual helper... (Score:3, Funny)
Perhaps like Hannibal Lecter?
Re:win XP needs a contextual helper... (Score:2)
Want improvement in XP? Go back to Windows 2000 (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Want improvement in XP? Go back to Windows 2000 (Score:4, Interesting)
Can you elaborate a little bit on what you mean by 'painfully illogical backwards step'? For basic folder stuff, etc, XP's not that much different. The difference is mostly cosmetic. The start menu is questionably better or worse, depending on how you drive. It's great if you use 10 apps requently, it's an extra step if you blow past that. The Control Panel... er... I have no idea what they were thinking with that, but you're a click away from bringing it back.
Err okay I was just babbling for a moment. When you switch from XP's default to classic view, the main change to it is cosmetic, not functional. (Unless you can correct me on that, which I'd appreciate.) You still have your min/max/restore/and close Icons etc.
In the mean time, what XP does offer you is the ability to lock the taskbar. That little feature suddenly makes the toolbar a far more interesting UI tool. There's actually a lot you can do down there, but I don't think most people bothered with a whole lot because you could accidently drag it and mess up the order of everything.
Re:Want improvement in XP? Go back to Windows 2000 (Score:3, Funny)
If this is actually what Longhorn looks like, I'm going to shoot myself in the head. I have to support this crap.
Re:Want improvement in XP? Go back to Windows 2000 (Score:2)
Re:Want improvement in XP? Go back to Windows 2000 (Score:2)
I've got an idea! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I've got an idea! (Score:3, Informative)
I agree, though. Luna and Royale [softpedia.com] look godawful. I'd love to see them recruit a better artist for some themes later on. Maybe they can make a cool Sci-Fi theme that looks like the one in Minority Report (just saw it this weekend, otherwise I'd think of a better movie/interface design).
Re:I've got an idea! (Score:5, Interesting)
Err okay. The XP default scheme, though quite bold, is not pastel. (It's more like Fisher Price.
In all seriousness, it's not all that bad. I discovered that my biggest beef with that color scheme wasn't the colors used, but the wallpaper. I turned that black, and suddenly XP's interface isn't so bad. What's nice about it is that it's rather easy to tell which window is active or blinking. The difference between orange and blue is quite striking. Green is a nice highlight color as it has a decent contrast against blue.
I can understand the screenshots not looking so appealing, but having used it for a while now, I actually kind of like it. (Especially after getting rid of that damn wallpaper.) I wish by default the titlebars were smaller, but their color choice is fine.
Re:I've got an idea! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I've got an idea! (Score:2)
Heh yeah, I know.
cygwin (Score:2, Insightful)
The task bar has more in it than you realize (Score:5, Insightful)
In short, I've made effective use of shortcuts etc using the taskbar. I don't have to do near as much folder surfing. On top of all that, the interface is pretty simple provided you know to unlock it first.
Re:The task bar has more in it than you realize (Score:2)
Stop interrupting me! (Score:5, Insightful)
Next I guess I would say that bitmapped icons should be dumped in favor of vector based ones for readability at higher resolution.
Re:Stop interrupting me! (Score:2, Informative)
It is really annoying, but you can prevent an application from stealing focus. It is a setting in tweakui.
Re:Stop interrupting me! (Score:2)
But at least it tries.
Re:Stop interrupting me! (Score:2)
"General - Focus - allows you to stop applications stealing focus ie. taking over your screen. You can set it so the tab flashes indefinitely or a finite number of times. "
Re:Stop interrupting me! (Score:2)
It wouldn't be too hard to solve this problem for most cases. Just check if the user has typed something or used the mouse in the la
Different themes are available... (Score:4, Insightful)
This site has a lot of window dressing (pun intended) to change the look and add a few items to XP to customize your interface.
what the? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:what the? (Score:2)
well actualy i would say "yes" they asked someone who was looking to bring MS down
ObjectDock (Score:2)
Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:5, Informative)
What Microsoft has done:
Windows-D hides all your apps.
Windows-R brings up the run window.
The only things I've changed:
ctrl-alt-g puts focus in the Google Deskbar.
The Google Deskbar is a part of a side-docked not always-on-top toolbar with my quicklaunch & desktop, with large icons that I can use like a dock. So no matter where I am, ctrl-alt-g gives me access to the stuff I don't want cluttering my taskbar.
If it's always-on-top, then you can't use fitts the way that XP is designed for, which is fantastic.
I'm pretty happy with the setup. My only complaint with Windows is that the text-editing shortcuts aren't the same as MacOS, so my fingers do all the wrong things when I'm typing on either system. Both operating systems have passable text-editing key commands, I just can't learn either one since they're different. If only they both had emacs-mode, I'd just learn it the emacs way.
Anyway, here's a picture of how it works out for me on xp [mac.com]. That's what it looks like when I've popped up my toolbar with ctrl-alt-g.
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:4, Informative)
Windows-E - bring up explorer window
Windows-M - Minimise all windows (seems to be same as Windows-D which I didn't know about).
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2, Informative)
I've always used the state-shortcuts instead:
Windows + m == Minimize all apps.
Windows + Shift + m == Revert the minimization.
I guess I've learnt that Windows+D is easier to reverse though!
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:3, Insightful)
Windows-D flickers on hide
Windows-M is solid
Windows-D flickers on reveal
Windows-shift-M flickrs more on reveal, only barely. Er, maybe not.
This is now extremely nitpicky, but based on the slightly different behavior, I bet there's stuff I'm not noticing.
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
About Windows-M (Score:2)
Windows-M minimises.
Shift-Windows-M restores all the things that were previosuly minimised by Windows-M.
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
Windows-D shows the Desktop. Doing it again resets all windows to their prior position.
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:3, Informative)
F2 - rename an object
alt-enter - open properties tab
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
It's possible to control every aspect of a Windows computer (except MMC, dammit) from the keyboard. Except for third-party apps, which are often broken - but you can't blame MS for that. Most keyboard shortcuts have been Windows-standard since the 3.0 days, it's not MS's fault that so many developers are too lazy to implem
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
MMC is so weird. I can't tell if they've got their own scheme for how things should work, or if it's just missing a billion important features. I suspect that it's missing.
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
I don't have a Windows box handy, but the one the most baffles me is the window/app closing shortcut : Alt+F4.
What sort of freakish mutant flipper must one have to find tha
Re:Use the system, don't fight it. (Score:2)
alt-space c
Very handy. Anything you can do with a mouse can be done with a keyboard. You can get properties with the menu key (right click key ?) which is next to the right hand ctrl key on my keyboard.
There are plenty of things that I don't know how to do with the keyboard on Windows, but that's because I don't know Windows very well.
Get rid of the annoying pop-ups (Score:4, Insightful)
To be fair, not all of the annoying pop-ups come from Windows itself. Norton is really bad about popping up windows that say nothing more than "I'm here to completely interrupt your work to let you know that everything is just fine. Please click here to make me go away for a little while." However, it is a larger problem with WinXP if only because it's become an accepted practice among the software vendors.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (wait -- this is Slashdot -- someone will correct me mercilessly if I'm wrong) but doesn't the Mac have pretty well defined UI guidelines that cover things like this?
Re:Get rid of the annoying pop-ups (Score:3, Interesting)
2600 has already covered this (Score:4, Informative)
A while back there was an article in 2600 [2600.com] about how to "Hack the Look" of Windows. Take a look at the articles here [shell-shocked.org] and here [shell-shocked.org].
Pet peeve: file open dialog (Score:2)
* auto-sort the "details" view by name, regardless of the last sort setting
* auto-switch to top of list in "details" view - that may arguably the correct behavior but when opening files in the same directory from the same application I want the dialog to remember the scrollbar position to make going over a long list of files and opening some of them less annoying.
Is there any open source (or at least free) software that can
thats all?? (Score:2)
Try on:
* doesn't show the full path to the current directory!
* it seems you can't modify the big shortcut buttons on the left hand side of the dialog to point somewhere useful.
* you can't directly type in the directory you want.
* there is no way of entering a custom "filter by filetype" pattern. (eg. *.py)
* it always seems to forget its size and/or position between uses.
* when a model dialog (like the file dialog) is open, you can't
Re:thats all?? (Score:5, Informative)
Download the TweakUI PowerToy [microsoft.com]. It let's you change those to whatever you like.
* you can't directly type in the directory you want.
Sure you can. Just put your cursor in the file name box and type away. It'll even autocomplete for you.
* there is no way of entering a custom "filter by filetype" pattern. (eg. *.py)
Ditto with this. Type *.py in the file name box, hit enter, and all your Python files will only show up.
Re:Pet peeve: file open dialog (Score:2)
Strokeit and Trip (Score:3, Informative)
I find stroke-it [tcbmi.com] to be invaluable after some jigging of the default settings. It's a mouse-gesture recognition system, and can be configured to do just about anything (although I mainly use it for open browser, open explorer and close window.
I also use trip [glenmurphy.com] regularly, but I wrote it, so I'm quite biased.
Re:Strokeit and Trip (Score:2)
Re:Strokeit and Trip (Score:2)
It doubles as a run prompt, and can be used to access services other than google. It also doesn't stay resident in memory.
That said, Trip's not for everyone.
Re:Strokeit and Trip (Score:2)
More information when copying files!!! (Score:2)
"Copying From 'FOO' to 'FOO'"
in the status dialog.
Which drive did I drop it on? It doesn't say.
Where in the tree on that drive is FOO actually being copied? The message given is the same even if I drop it in radically different places, so there's no way I can tell if I dropped it in the wrong place.
And why not provide some sort of file count or byte count instead of the simplified "x seconds remaining"?
Who
Things I can't live without... (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty
CTRL-CAPS Lock Switcher
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/ctrl2cap
Add "Find Parent" to each shortcut's context menu. (Score:2)
...and how about a bundled icon editor? (Score:2)
Turn it off (Score:2)
Its default theme's minimize, maximize, and close boxes are way too big. Does MS think everyone needs glasses? The other thing is that they're much too close together and it is easy to click one when you meant something else--unlike OS X where the widgets are further apart.
See? Functional after that. I do admit that I use ClearType. First time I did it on an LCD I thought something
Windows "window manager"... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Windows "window manager"... (Score:2)
Consistency and Integratioin. (Score:4, Interesting)
Why can't I rename the recycle bin, when I can rename "My Computer", "Network Places" and "My Documents?"
Why don't I have a "send to" context menu on items in a zip folder?
In fact, why do zip files act nothing like regular folders at all when explorer presents them as if they are.
Why do control panel items open up in a dialogue style menu, when you've navigated to them via a web style interface?
Why does MS-Office _always_ have a totally different look and feel to any existing windows version at the time of its release?
Why can't I open from and save to WebDav and ftp from any application?
Why can I use windows networking paths (being able to "cd
I think they had to actually try to make that one not work, as fopen() in Windows will accept those paths.
Microsoft loves to introduce an idea - and then not follow through with a complete and useful implementation, but they'll still use their half arsed useless implementation as an example of how innovative they are.
Innovation is all very well, but it does you fuck all good if you have the worst implementation of your own idea.
Windows could be an absolutely excellent environment if only Microsoft finished half of what they started.
Re:Consistency and Integratioin. (Score:4, Informative)
Two Apps and Few Tweaks (Score:2)
- Well written little app.
- Does not lock up like msvd
- Has Sticky windows
- I have 10 vd windows - I know alot but I have alot of windows. By using arrow keys in combination with `ctrl-windows-alt` -or- `window-alt` I have 8 easy to remember windows. Nice thing about this setup as well is that it works on _most_ laptops and apple comps.
- I cannot live without my virtual desktop. I use the mouse about half of what I used before and I rareyl hit the maximize or minimise b
Nvidia Owners Only (Score:3, Interesting)
It can do a very nice on mouse over auto raise, sloppy focus style. It needs more options for people who are yused to a different type of mouse focus. But for those who prefer sloppy, its there.
MS Power Toys include a virtual desktop manager, but it sucks. Nview has a much better one, that has far fewer bugs (but it does have them), and is _much_ faster.
Then there are the little features, which include, but are not limited to: shading (minimize to title bar), throwing (toss a window accross the screen and watch it stick to the opposite edge), and true transparency (for those with massive cpu time to waste).
But of course, you non Nvidia people miss out.
Mac OS is not so hot (Score:5, Insightful)
Excuse me? Since when was rendering metalic textures for half your windows either efficient, or functional? OK, GPU might make it less inefficient, but it's hardly the simplest thing to render to a screen. And it gets worse when you try to work out WHY the windows are metal. Why is my web browser metal, but my FTP program not?
And don't get me started on the "traffic lights" window closing buttons. Apple wrote the book on colourised user interfaces (Inside Macintosh), which they then ignored. They also had a good section in that book on Fitt's law, and how stuff in a fixed position at the edge of a screen is easiest to mouse to. So they stick the dock floating somewhere at the base of the screen, at variying positions depending on how many apps you have open. OK, expose is nice, font rendering is good, admin is less of a chore than with traditional unix, but I really wish they'd bothered reading their own guidelines from the 80s. Humans still only use 2 eyes and 1 mouse, it's not as though faster CPUs have rendered WIMP obsolete. Man, it almost makes me long for Motif.
Taskbar default (Score:5, Insightful)
The taskbar's default position should be on the left-hand side of the screen, not the bottom. Here's why:
1. Having the bar at the bottom uses up vertical space, esp. when it's two units high or more. Reading stuff on a screen requires much more vertical space than horizontal. Moving the bar to the side frees up vertical space and results in less scrolling.
2. You can fit WAY more quicklaunch buttons without affecting how much taskbar room you have for running programs. Quicklaunch buttons are a blessing and I can't live without em.
3. You also get way more room for the hooks for running programs that show on the taskbar (can't think of a better way to describe them). They stack vertically and you can fit dozens more than when the taskbar is horizontal.
Seriously, once you move the startbar to the side and get used to it, you'll keep it there forever. Give it a shot if you haven't tried it.
Address bar in task bar. (Score:3, Insightful)
I often use it while telnetting to network devices (go to address bar, type telnet 10.x.x.x). It really can't be beat, and nobody does it.
Steve
Embed web pages in your taskbar (Score:2)
If you're locked out (Score:2)
It sucks, though, when the program you're using requires that you access C:\ to use plugins
Browsable folder shortcuts. (Score:2)
Use the My Network Places folder to create a link to any remote location.
Copy and Paste this folder to any other folder on your PC.
The real folder (not the one you see in explorer) contains a shortcut called target.lnk.
Using a dos window you can replace this shortcut with a shortcut to any folder you want, eve
A big list (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What a wonderful troll of a subject. (Score:2)
I really don't know why the editors bother.
Oh, wait. They don't.
Re:What a wonderful troll of a subject. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What a wonderful troll of a subject. (Score:2)
Despite which OS you've decided you like to use you really can't say that OS X isn't easier for a computer novice to use. Having provided computer instruction to
Re:What a wonderful troll of a subject. (Score:3, Funny)
Then, with respect, you would not know a troll if it ripped out your eyeballs and licked your brain.
Re:What a wonderful troll of a subject. (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, actually I can. I know two formerly-computer-averse "regular people" who couldn't manage to get much useful done under OS X on their shiny new Macs, but who rather quickly "got it" when I brought an XP laptop to them. Both have since ditched their Macs. As a bonus, they're much happier that their PC's are so relatively inexpensive.
I'm not saying "TEH MAC SUX" or anything extreme like that, but the assumption of UI superiority has, in my opinion, never been proven with any especially compelling authority. It is my opinion that the Mac superiority thing is primarily a result of very careful MARKETING efforts.
The Mac isn't bad, but it isn't a miraculous plateau of UI wisdom, either.