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Airbus A380 Completes Maiden Test Flight 890

crazy blade writes "The much anticipated maiden test flight of the Airbus A380 jumbo jet is underway. The aircraft left Blagnac International Airport in Toulouse, France at 10.29 hours local time (08.29 UTC) from runway 32L. Here are some photos if you're interested."
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Airbus A380 Completes Maiden Test Flight

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  • by foobsr ( 693224 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:35AM (#12358854) Homepage Journal
    ... at 14.25.

    http://www1.ndr.de/ndr_pages_std/0,2570,OID1221430 _REF872_SPC265922,00.html (German)

    CC.
  • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:36AM (#12358877)
    All these countries already have strong space and military plane programs. Wonder why none of them produces large commercial jets? BTW the A380 is the largest passenger plane. The largest overall planes are still Russian
    • by guacamole ( 24270 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:53AM (#12359139)
      The largest commercial plane, AN-124, is not Russian. It's made by the Antonov design bureau in Ukraine (although it might contain a significant number of Russian-made parts). BTW, Russia is already producing the wide-body IL-96 which is roughly in Boeing 767 to 777 class. As for making a passenger plane that matches the size of A380, I don't think that anyone else will follow that suit, not even Boeing, because lots of industry experts claim that the economies of scale and the demand in the superjumbo jet market are such that only one model can survive on that market profitably and Airbus came first.
    • by vrai ( 521708 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:02AM (#12359260)
      Russia already has a presence in commercial aviation, though they have been very late in introducing things like glass cockpits. Plus the dire state of their domestic airlines haven't helped advertise their aircraft.

      China flies copies of old Russian designs and is attempting to buy in French fighters (but can't because of the EU's arms sale ban). The only domestic design of note is a tanker. Hardly the stuff background required to compete in the commerical aircraft market.

      India and Brazil have airforces entirely composed of foriegn imports - mainly Russian and French. Their combined aircraft industries are behind that of Sweden. I don't expect to be flying on an Indian or Brazilian designed airliner to be in service during my life-time.

      It took the combined efforts of some of the world's richest and most industrialised nations to produce compete with Boeing. Russia has the engineers but not the money. The others you mentioned aren't even on the radar.

      • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:11AM (#12359382)
        India and China both manufacture their own versions of the MIG. Also they are both developing their own fighter jets prototypes of which are already flying. Brazil Canada and Ukraine have strong regional jets. So it is not so much of a stretch for them to shift over to widebody jets especially given their domestic airlines are buying so many of these jets anyway. For that matter even the Japanese and Korean are great shipbuilders and plane building and ship building a lot similar in that they are both piecework and they require highly advanced metal working tech. So they too could come into the picture. Its probably the strong brand leadership of Airbus and Boeing combined with the government subsidies which they get which keeps them on top. But I expect at least the Chinese government to subsidize its own manufacturer
  • by ubuntu ( 876029 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:36AM (#12358882) Journal
    That reminds me -- I just saw a wicked movie. [titanicmovie.com]
  • by Dancin_Santa ( 265275 ) <DancinSanta@gmail.com> on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:36AM (#12358885) Journal
    It's amazing that this giant of an airplane is actually bigger than the legendary Spruce Goose [sprucegoose.org]. It's amazing how technology has progressed from a rudimentary wooden substructure to this bleeding edge aluminum/steel airframe. Lighter, stronger, and more economical than Hughes could ever have imagined, this Airbus A380 is a marvel of modern manufacturing.

    The only issue is whether the capacity will be taken advantage of effectively. While most flights now are booked solid, will the number of passengers be high enough to make the construction of these behemoths profitable?
    • by CaptainZapp ( 182233 ) * on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:49AM (#12359082) Homepage
      The only issue is whether the capacity will be taken advantage of effectively. While most flights now are booked solid, will the number of passengers be high enough to make the construction of these behemoths profitable?

      That's exactly the question on which Airbus bet the farm.

      Personally I think it will take off, due to anticipated demand by India and especially China to haul as many passengers as possible with one plane between cities. Airports can host a finite amount of flights only. So the more people you can squeeze into a plane the more you can transport in any given timeframe from one airport to another.

    • Yeah... but (Score:3, Funny)

      by DoorFrame ( 22108 )
      Sure it's big, but how many milk bottles full of urine can carry at one time? That's what Howard Hughes would really be dreaming of.
    • by MtViewGuy ( 197597 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:52AM (#12359120)
      The only issue is whether the capacity will be taken advantage of effectively. While most flights now are booked solid, will the number of passengers be high enough to make the construction of these behemoths profitable?

      These routes right now could use the A380-800:

      London-Hong Kong
      London-Singapore
      London-Tokyo
      London-Singa pore-Sydney
      London-Bangkok-Sydney
      London-Johanne sberg
      London-Cape Town
      Paris-Montreal
      Paris-Tokyo
      Frankfurt-Tokyo
      Frankfurt-New York
      Frankfurt-Los Angeles
      Frankfurt-San Francisco
      Singapore-London
      Singapore-Tokyo
      Sing apore-Sydney
      Singapore-Taipei-Los Angeles
      Singapore-Hong Kong-San Francisco
      Seoul-Los Angeles
      Sydney-London via Singapore/Bangkok
      Sydney-Los Angeles

      Small wonder why among the first A380-800 flights to the USA are flown by QANTAS on the Sydney-Los Angeles route and Singapore Airlines on the Singapore-Hong Kong-San Francisco route.
      • Quiz Time (Score:3, Insightful)


        These routes right now could use the A380-800:

        Frankfurt-New York
        Frankfurt-Los Angeles
        Frankfurt-San Francisco
        Singapore-Taipei-Los Angeles
        Singapore-Hong Kong-San Francisco
        Sydney-Los Angeles

        Just curious:

        1) Which of the following airports have runways long enough to allow the A380 to land [or to take off]?

        NY - Laguardia

        NY - JFK
        NY - Newark
        NY - MacArthur
        LA - LAX
        LA - John Wayne
        LA - Bob Hope
        LA - Long Beach
        SF - SFO
        SF - Oakland
        SF - San Jose

        2) Which of the following airports have terminal fac

    • And it's flown exactly the same number of times too.
    • by Khomar ( 529552 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:16AM (#12359447) Journal
      It's amazing that this giant of an airplane is actually bigger than the legendary Spruce Goose. It's amazing how technology has progressed from a rudimentary wooden substructure to this bleeding edge aluminum/steel airframe.

      It should be noted that the technology existed to build a plane out of aluminum when the Spruce Goose was created. The reason that it was made out of wood was so as not to deplete the metals that were used to make weapons in World War II due to shortages of supplies. Later Hughes' stubbornly refused to change to aluminum when the metal shortage was lessoned. Check out this site for the story [straightdope.com].

    • Why-oh-why-oh-why are we so @#$% obsessed with this single-winner-take-all model!?!

      Seems to me that there's room for, and a mission for BOTH the A380 and the 787. BOTH planes have a mission, and make a lot of sense in their respective missions. Trying to force an economic model that excludes one or the other is STUPID! (IMHO)

      As far as I can remember, I've only once seen a 747 at the Burlington, Vt airport, which is the biggest in a 3+ hour radius. (Except for Montreal Dorval, across an international borde
    • by pyrrhonist ( 701154 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @11:11AM (#12360264)
      It's amazing that this giant of an airplane is actually bigger than the legendary Spruce Goose.

      Here's some stats for both aircraft:

      A380-800

      • Wingspan: 261 ft, 10 in
      • Length: 238 ft, 8 in
      • Height: 79 ft
      • Weight: 610,700 lb
      • Payload: 623,900 lb
      • Passengers: 555
      • Top speed: 609 mph
      • Ceiling 43,000 ft
      • Range: 9,196 miles
      • Flight Testing: ~2500 hours

      Hughes Flying Boat H-4 (HK-1) Hercules ("Spruce Goose")

      • Wingspan: 320 ft
      • Length: 218 ft, 6 in
      • Height: 30 ft, 6 in
      • Weight: 400,000 lb
      • Payload: 130,000 lb
      • Passengers: 700
      • Top speed: 218 mph
      • Ceiling: 20,900 ft
      • Range: 3,000 miles
      • Flight Testing: ~1 minute
  • First A380 Post (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:37AM (#12358896)
    What a beauty - She took off with a takeoff weight of 150t less than the MTOW (Max Takeoff weight) of 560t. Only needed half the runway and made hardly any noise compared to the little Corvette which was the chase plane.

    A day I will never forget :)
  • by panurge ( 573432 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:39AM (#12358929)
    The key thing for the A380 is not just that it's big - it uses 20% less fuel per passenger mile than a 747. Given the predictions that oil production may peak this year or in 2006, that fuel efficiency could be very important.
    The thing also has huge (for an aircraft) cargo capability.

    Boeing still seems to be pinning its hopes on midsize wide bodied aircraft that fly between smaller airports. All I can say is, for Boeing to be right an awful lot of people need to be very wrong about the way the world is going.

    • by thammoud ( 193905 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:51AM (#12359110)
      Given the number of 787 orders (Over 230) vs. A380 (150), it seems that there are more companies that agree with Boeing's vision of Point-to-Point vs. big hub systems.
      • Have UPS, FEDEX, or DHL placed orders for 787's yet?

        UPS and FEDEX have already ordered A380's. I'm assuming that DHL, a subsidiary of the German national postal service, has as well. Big hub is perfect for freight distribution. Once it's out the door, I dont think scarebus cares what you use their planes for.
      • by TekGoNos ( 748138 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:18AM (#12359481) Journal
        Given the number of 787 orders (Over 230) vs. A380 (150), it seems that there are more companies that agree with Boeing's vision of Point-to-Point vs. big hub systems.

        Well, of course you need less big planes as small ones.

        As the 787 carries 217, 257 or 289 passengers and the A380 typically 555, the numbers become : over 66470 (230*289) seats ordered for the Boeing 787 and 83250 for the A380. Seen this way, Airbus has the edge ;)

        Personally, I think that it isnt yet decided which company did the right bet. Probably both the 787 and the A380 will both be popular. However, IMHO, the 747 is dead.

      • With the Pacific Rim fast becoming the world's marketplace, having a huge jet that can take 550 people point-to-point is a good thing. There are a lot of point-to-point routes in that region (and between EU, USA, and India) where a huge plane with good fuel economy could do quite well.
    • A380 is a gamble (Score:3, Interesting)

      by amightywind ( 691887 )

      Boeing's presales [boeing.com]of the 787 have been quite strong. I think it is Airbus that has made the big bet. The vast majority of the world's airports are not compatable with the A380 either at the gates, or with the required strength of runways. Airbus has made the real gamble. As with the Concorde, Airbus's (Europe's) desire to trump Boeing (US) may be clouding their business judgement.

  • Better photos... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:39AM (#12358933)
    at Airliners.net [airliners.net].
  • by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara@hudson.barbara-hudson@com> on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:42AM (#12358977) Journal
    YOu can either click on the link picture, then select "medium",
    or click directly here: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=812064&size= L&width=1600&height=1154&sok=&photo_nr=&prev_id=&n ext_id= [airliners.net]
    and scroll down to the lower left of the picture.

    It says:

    Photo copyright French Frogs AirSlides
    Here's more of their work: http://www.planepictures.net/netsearch4.cgi?stype= name&srng=2&srch=French%20Frogs%20AirSlides [planepictures.net]

    Talk about a good marketing name ...

  • by gorim ( 700913 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:44AM (#12359013)
    What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen A380 ?

    (hint: you can't waffle on this since there is only one type!)
  • by G4from128k ( 686170 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:50AM (#12359101)
    It will be interesting to see if Airbus' bet on the hub-and-spoke model works. The A380 makes sense for high-volume hub-to-hub long-distance flights. On the other hand, I prefer point-to-point, myself. I always try to avoid connecting flights if possible, prefer smaller planes (faster load/unload times), and prefer smaller airports (shorter concourses, faster in-and-out, fewer runway delays).

    I'm sure there is room for both models, but once a hub saturates it becomes necessary to increase point-to-point operations from smaller airports (e.g., the Southwest Airlines model).
    • by no haters ( 714135 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:15AM (#12359438)
      You'll notice that every article talking about possible routes for the A380 refers to very long distance flights (US to Asia, US to India, etc) where point to point does not make sense. Point to point works extremely well for US travel, but once you need to go international, the hub and spoke system is a necessity, since you can't fill a plane daily with people who want to go from Albequerque(sp?) to Singapore.
  • Videos (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tx ( 96709 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:54AM (#12359147) Journal
    Direct link to (crappy but watchable quality) videos:

    Take off [airbus.com]
    In flight [airbus.com]
  • by COMON$ ( 806135 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @09:58AM (#12359200) Journal
    Finally a plane your mom can fit on...
  • by qualico ( 731143 ) <[worldcouchsurfer] [at] [gmail.com]> on Wednesday April 27, 2005 @10:00AM (#12359229) Journal
    On the Discovery channel they asked about luxury.
    The response was that people don't want luxury, just price.

    Suppose there is some truth to that since flying is never comfortable but for a handful of people who can afford more space.
    Besides, its luxury you're going to at the end of the ride.

    Makes me wonder though, why not offer a sleeping seat choice at ticket time?
    Pack them in like train cars where you can sit cross leg or stretch out flat.
    Offer a family box etc.
    Let the engineers figure out the safety part of restraint for landings and takeoffs.

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