Microsoft Demands Removal Of Longhorn Images 540
bonch writes "After the previously reported release of the Longhorn beta at this year's WinHEC, Neowin and other Windows sites are reporting that Microsoft is going around sending legal letters demanding removal of Longhorn Build 5048 screenshots. Paul Thurrott discusses it on his site, stating that Microsoft never told anyone beforehand not to post screenshots of the publicly available beta, and links to the new galleries he has up now. 'Enjoy it while it lasts.'"
First Post People Suck (Score:3, Funny)
Or perhaps Microsoft just needs more time to cover up what they stole?[2]
On slightly different note but on topic, did anyone else notice how the Recycle Bin icon's shadow [winsupersite.com] slants left while the text's shadow slants right?
[1]hahahahahahaaaaahahahaa
[2]most likely imho
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Funny)
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Funny)
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:3, Funny)
Re:You can't throw a rug... (Score:3, Insightful)
I use XP with the silver interface and don't mind it at all. These Longhorn shots, however, look pretty bad. It's almost like they're using Linux UI designers!
Seriously, surely they aren't paying whoever came up with this. I've seen better interfaces done by unpaid amateurs on skinz.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:4, Insightful)
Is it just me, or is the recycle bin icon also butt ugly? Actually, I think the whole GUI looks terrible. Windows XP/2000 looks nicer than this crap. All these screenshots look like Windows XP SP3 with an ugly skin.
I don't see how Microsoft could have progressed so little since the release of Windows XP in 2001.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Insightful)
Screenshots tell all. Microsoft is asleep at the wheel.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Funny)
of course it does. recycling is the domain of left leaning hippies, therefore the left leaning recycling bin. Real Men use a trash can.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Informative)
"1:07pm
OK, Microsoft has provided its explanation. What it boils down to is that there may be certain technologies in the Longhorn Developer Preview build for which Microsoft has not filed patent applications, and the confidentiality provisions protect or mitigate the company's filing rights. One of the focus areas of IP protection has been user interface, hence Microsoft cannot permit screenshots of the UI. I was told that Microsoft had left its Media Center user interface unprotected, and that UI has been stolen and replicated in numerous other places. They don't want that to happen to Longhorn."
From the Thurrott link.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, because the UI was really the highlight of the features shown, what with the truncated titles, execrable icons from the 1990s, and dreary grey tinge. Lots of new ideas in there.
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This is a damage limitation exercise because of all the bad press. When even your fan sites are calling it a 'train wreck' any publicity is bad publicity.
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:3, Interesting)
It's plain and simple folks. The reason they don't want the pictures to be seen any more widely is because everyone is in a
Re:First Post People Suck (Score:5, Funny)
E.
Re:People don't suck, corporations and the rich do (Score:3, Insightful)
People's suckage has nothing to do with MS. People manage to suck plenty all by themselves. You have obviously never worked in retail where you can see the masses up close and personal.
Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Insightful)
To me this pretty much looks like Microsoft ran the screenshots up the metaphoric flagpole and didn't like the salutes. Instead of spinning it as beta (which we in the IT community have come to understand, if not respect) and appropriately rough-edged, Microsoft apparently has decided to take the low road and is going to hold its breath until it turns blue (irony). Too bad, the images do suck, but I think Microsoft in its eagerness to prove "me too" for having a cool new OS stumbled mightily this time. Fortunately, having $50B petty cash makes recovery from these inconveniences convenient.
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:2)
Yeah, whatever.... just how DO they get by with that kind of money?!?
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Insightful)
lol
It's probably one of the things I MOST don't get about Microsoft. For all of the money they can throw at things they sure don't seem to end up with huge quality return on investment. For me it's evidence of one of two things (I'm sure there's more to consider...): Either 1) You can't solve quality issues by throwing money at them, or, 2) Microsoft doesn't put enough money and/or effort into solving their quality issues. (I suspect a bit of the latter since their responsibility, Gates' and Ballmer's disclaimers aside, is to the share holders and if Microsoft can continue to rake in the profits with marginally competitive technology so much the better....)
I think eventually (as I've posted many times in my somewhat anti-Microsoft bent) the frustration of the consumers coupled with the continued resentment of the IT community will be the downfall of Microsoft. However that downfall won't come for a very long time considering how embedded Microsoft is in the entirety of our technology universe.
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Interesting)
I think the problem here comes from just how not beta Microsoft considers the overall GUI shown in those screenshots...
They promised to "wow" us all with a whole new Windows experience, and gave us exactly what most of us expected all along - XP with a makeover, which itself amounted to nothing more than Win95 with a makeover.
And right about now, we have a whole lot of people at MS updating their resumes as a result of the massively underwhelmed response from not just "those Linux freaks" who would damn Billy G even if he found a cure for AIDS, cancer, and the flu all in the same day, but from fairly pro-Windows media who paid just to fly to see a demo of a beta of MS's Next Big Thing (tm)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Funny)
Be honest and fair. XP is really NT 3.51 with a makeover, and you know it.
Maybe "Shut Do..." is confidential IP (Score:5, Funny)
"They promised to "wow" us all with a whole new Windows experience"
And they succeeded. I can honestly say their new "Shut Do..." menu option in the Beta truly did make me go "wow".
As in "Wow, WTF are they thinking?"
Seriously, just how much work do they have left on this "Beta"? Getting kind of late in the game to have such glaring UI problems.
Re:Maybe "Shut Do..." is confidential IP (Score:4, Insightful)
A nice strategy for presentations and demos is to make missing functionality look strange. That way when you give someone a screenshot and they see that the "Uplodes tests TOO DATABAse" button is bright orange and in an ugly font, they ask why, and you get to explain that that part isn't finished yet. It avoids the problem of people thinking that everything is finished just because there is a mock-up of the UI.
Re:Maybe "Shut Do..." is confidential IP (Score:3, Informative)
The Start menu has both a scroll bar and a text entry field! Neither one of these are rational solutions to trying to cram everything into one @#$&%! menu.
We all make jokes about Microsoft compensating for Moore's law, but they really are doing that with screen real estate. This new UI is the most bloated thing I've ever seen. (Yeah, you can turn Aqua up that far, but it doesn't default to that)
And...please. It's 2005. Why can't Windows calculate folder sizes?
Re:Maybe "Shut Do..." is confidential IP (Score:4, Funny)
I mean consider this a moment:
Have you ever noticed that when you click the "Start" button, the first option on the list is "Shut Down"?
Brilliant.
Re:Censored or Mindfucked? What's better? (Score:3, Funny)
He would be OK in my book if he did all of those things. I still wouldn't buy his software, though...
Re:Censored or Mindfucked? What's better? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:3, Interesting)
And right about now, we have a whole lot of people at MS updating their resumes
Proof? Or did you pull that out of your ass?
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:3, Informative)
Is your job... (Score:4, Funny)
Is your job to add the suck before or after core API's? I assume there are people responsible for both.
Re:Is your job... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Funny)
Didn't like it?! You must be joking!
Think of it this way:It's not a new tactic, but it never really gets old either....
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:5, Funny)
Guaranteeing wide distribution. (Score:4, Insightful)
Meanwhile telling people to get them off their websites is a guaranteed method of making sure everyone will download them and save them and look them over much more critically, trying to figure out what Ms doesn't want them to see. Pretty effective marketing, really.
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft is pointing fingers wrong way... (Score:3, Insightful)
As far as I know nobody has tried to enforce a GUI patent yet. Obviously Microsoft is considering that route. Will they sue Linux developers who build similar interfaces? Will they
Heh... (Score:4, Funny)
So, umm... (Score:2)
So, umm... If Microsoft is so evil, are supposed to go to the web pages and help them get it Slashdotted off the 'net? Or not? Life's so confusing!
I bet (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I bet (Score:5, Insightful)
"Dont look at this! This here! Right here, dont look at it!"
I know I wouldnt have looked if it werent for this story, and now I'm sorry I did.
Apple (Score:4, Funny)
Nevertheless, I really wonder how many of MS' GUI designers actually consider function over pretty colors. Not to be an Apple fanboy (I don't even own a mac), but OSX's GUI seems to have function as well as slickness. I'm anxious to see if Longworn :D will do the same.
Re:Apple (Score:3, Interesting)
I am an apple fanboy, after a fashion. (I hated macs until OS X came out, now I like it so much I don't even bother handing out Knoppix CDs to people, I just tell them to get a mac)
I recall, however that mac OS 10.0 was panned as far as the GUI "look and feel" goes. Most reviewers had the opinion: "the program dock? WTF?" Now I think most agree with you--slick and functional.
To be fair, wi
a new trend (Score:5, Insightful)
In some ways this is like when a movie is about to be released, but the studio will not let the critics screen the film. If a studio knows their $70,000,000 film sucks that bad, they know better than to let critics screen it. It is time to get the PR people over to yahoo and amazon to leave 5 star reviews.
Plus, the screen shots MS gave out, there was nothing special there. Nothing secret. Nothing new. If someone did not tell me it was a new Windows, I would have guessed someone got a new wallpaper for their XP machine.
Re:a new trend (Score:3, Insightful)
To use your analogy this is like a movie studio getting mad if a movie critic takes screenshots of the movie without permission and shows them to the public.
Re:I bet (Score:5, Insightful)
As soon as your copy of XP can keep two folders auto-sync'd over a network, then you give me a call. Longhorn can do that, and it's one of the big features I'm waiting for.
Seriously, I can't believe how many people here are focusing on the visuals. Who the hell cares? It looks fine to me, just as XP does. I don't fire up an OS to look at all the pretty colors, I fire up an OS to run applications. Longhorn has a whole mess of security improvements that make it more like Linux (i.e. non-root accounts are actually somewhat functional, so people might actually want to use them), it has smart folders that automatically look for documents matching parameters you specify, it has the aforementioned network auto-sync feature that is sorely needed for anyone who owns multiple PC's (useful for things like backup, media centers, etc.).
And those are just the features I'm personally excited about. Even without WinFS, this is a significant upgrade to Windows XP.
Before you start thinking I'm some sort of MS shill, look up my history for the last Longhorn-related post I made, wherein I bitched about MS trying to sell us something other than the desktop metaphor. I'm actually happy MS is not trying to reinvent the UI wheel after seeing these screens. XP works perfectly well enough for me from a UI standpoint; it is just missing some obvious features that a modern OS really has to have in this day and age.
People go nuts about a 0.1 incremental upgrade to the Mac OS, and are only too happy to pay $130 for it. Longhorn is a far more important and comprehensive upgrade than Tiger and all anyone can say about it is how much it sucks because it looks like Windows? Get over it. It is Windows - what the hell did you expect? If you buy your OS based on looks and you don't like the look of Longhorn, why do you even care anyway? I would think you'd already be using a different OS as it is.
You are missing the point, dude. (Score:5, Insightful)
And as the years go by, my wife's Mac looks better and better, until I have finally decided to break down and get one myself. If aint about 'the pretty colors' as you put it, it is about PROGRESS.
The kind of progress that we wanted when we went from Win 3.11 to Win 95. The kind of progress we expected when we went from Visual Basic to C#. Or better put, the kind of PROGRESS that we USED to get from Microsoft. Disclaimer: Yeah, I used to work for Microsoft, so fucking what?
The point is; progress seems to be coming slower and slower, in the exact ways that Lucovski pointed out when he left the company. Personally, I am getting sick of hearing about shit, only to later hear that the one thing that would make me spend money beyond MSDN has just gotten ripped out.
Many of us who make our living on Windows and other Microsoft products would like something more to talk about than just .NET. Unless you have had your wife laugh at you as you search for device drivers while she just FUCKING WORKS, knows exactly what I am talking about.
In short, we are fucking fed up.
You are right, it aint about 'pretty colors', it is about showing us that the company can still produce something BETTER than what we had before. If they cant do it in the GUI, why the fuck should we believe that they can do it in the file system?
First impressions are a bitch, and these aint good ones. We've been looking at the same shit for two years now, and I dont see any progress anywhere, just ugly screens of boring shit.
Apple's shit may not be all that much better, but they at the very least manage to put a nice ribbon on it, and act like the shit is special enough to want it.
XP works; Win2K3 works damn well. But, if you are trying to show me something new, the very least you can do is take the time to make sure it aint similar to what we have already seen or at the very least not fucking ugly?
RE: Thank you! I feel exactly the same way! (Score:3, Insightful)
The only real meaningful improvements to Windows I saw were 3.1 to '95, and then the release of Windows 2000. XP is a bunch of "candy coating" on top of 2000, and IMHO - all the "NT" versions (3.5, 3.51 and 4.0) were medicore at best.
Now, granted, I'm not even beginning to try to speak for all users. I'm only talking about what I've seen from my perspective. But I've worked in I.T
Re: Thank you! I feel exactly the same way! (Score:3, Informative)
When Apple bundles an application, if you don't like it you can easily swap it out. Hell, even the Safari Web Browser Preferences, has a drop down "Default Web Browser" menu, allowing you to choose any other web browser you've got installed on the system. And if I want to delete Safari without any impact to the system, I can.
Can you do that in MS WIndows? Certainly not without fucking around under the hood, and the official Microsoft line is that you can't and shouldn't try.
Oh, and Apple isn't a monop
Re:You are missing the point, dude. (Score:4, Insightful)
The kind of progress that we wanted when we went from Win 3.11 to Win 95. The kind of progress we expected when we went from Visual Basic to C#. Or better put, the kind of PROGRESS that we USED to get from Microsoft.
I don't think we EVER got significant progress FROM Microsoft. They have always slowed us down.
To put this in perspective, I remember a conversation I had with a Microsoft fan in 1993. Windows 3.11 for Workgroups was just released and "Chicago" (Windows 95, though it was originally expected in early '94 IIRC) was being hyped as the next big thing. This fan was a developer, thoroughly steeped in the Microsoft world. He was actually training me to take his job, since he had just left the company I was just hired into.
While he raved about the great advances coming in Chicago and what a great job Microsoft was doing at "pushing technology forward" (his words), I was thinking about the NeXTstation I had on the kitchen table at home. A 32-bit multi-user OS on top of a state-of-the-art microkernel that ran fine in isolation but really shone on a network; a beautiful, elegant user interface that was guaranteed to print exactly as it displayed; a development toolset that was better than anything I've ever used since (there probably are better, now, but only in the last few years, and I haven't used them); a serious audio machine with high-quality stereo sound; and a box that came with a free suite of apps that would have cost thousands for Windows (and were far inferior on Windows).
And that NeXT machine was almost two years old. Next to it, Windows 3.11 looked like an ugly, broken, limited toy.
But you said "progress" not "innovation", didn't you? You were talking about how much MS stuff improved from version to version, not about how it compared to the rest of the market.
I think good clue as to the slowdown in this sort of progress also comes from that 1993 conversation, when we discussed the disk compression that MS had added to DOS 6.0, forcing Stac Electronics aside (and ultimately out of business). I think that story is pretty typical of how most MS progress was made... by hurriedly copying ideas that had been implemented elsewhere.
The problem now is that there is no elsewhere to copy from! Microsoft has so completely crushed everyone else that the flow of new ideas has slowed to a trickle. Microsoft has also been held up by trying to patch over a lot of bad security decisions made in the past, but I don't think that's the whole story. MS has built an empire on allowing others to develop and prove good ideas, and then cherry-picking the best. Now, as the dominant force, MS has to make the transition to becoming innovative on their own dime, and they're not very good at it. Not yet, anyway. Given the large number of very smart people they have, and the cash they have to play with, they'll get there, I'm sure. But they not only have to get there, they have to get good enough to compete with open source. They have to compete with "adequate-but-free" and try to beat it with "amazingly-good-but-for-a price".
I wish them well. But I sold my MS stock.
Re:I bet (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I bet (Score:3, Informative)
You mean like iFolder? [ifolder.com]
Re:I bet (Score:3, Insightful)
Elaborate. In real time? With support for multiple users and conflict resolution? Or just applying deltas from one folder to another through some kind of periodic synchronization task?
I ask because, you know, SyncServer
It looks fine to me, just as XP does.
Really? Seriously now, all bullshit aside. Just man to man: Does it really? Does looking at four different typefaces of s
Microsoft again lacks inovation! (Score:5, Funny)
Apple rumors aren't considered confirmed until there's been at least one notice from Apple Legal.
Phew (Score:2)
maybe if we slam the stable door hard enough? (Score:2, Redundant)
or was he just psychic?
Re:maybe if we slam the stable door hard enough? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why?
At least OS-X looks nice. But Longhorn? They took the Fisher-Price interface from XP and made the colors even uglier. Instead of jolly candy-like blue, now they have murky-organic-sludge greenish. I can hardly wait (...to disable the "themes" service).
And for those who might call me an Apple Fanboy, check my posting history to see how much karma I've lost over the years in just about everything I post that mentions Apple
Maybe its for public safety? (Score:5, Funny)
The EULA says don't do it (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:The EULA says don't do it (Score:5, Funny)
NDA? (Score:5, Insightful)
If not, Microsoft is using it's multimillion dollar legal department to bully people into doing/thinking what they want.
Hold on a minute while I try to not act suprised.
Re:NDA? (Score:3, Funny)
Or maybe one in very small print taped to the back side of the door and consent consists entirely of walking through the door.
I have a better idea... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I have a better idea... (Score:2, Funny)
that's a great idea! (Score:2)
Ticking off one of your most unabashedly positive supporters: that's ALWAYS the ticket to success.
Great (Score:2, Troll)
It won't be long until every independant source of information in the US is silenced and/or will only be allowed to publish press releases. Yes, companies have a right to protect their intellectual property and trade secrets, but that right is not universal and must always be weighed against the interests of the public's right to know.
I can't see how th
Re:Great (Score:2)
This might be a little more insightful if this battle hasn't been raging on for the better part of a decade.
I honestly don't know when Microsoft became the standard unit for measure of annihilation of something we like.
Re:Great (Score:5, Insightful)
1.) Comparing a leaked copy of the OS to screenshots is silly.
2.) Apple didn't sue over the leaked copy of Tiger. They watermarked it and caught the guy through technical means.
3.) I think you seriously need to rethink your definition of "right to know" as it is nothing like what anyone I know uses. See I have a "right to know" MS is dumping toxic waste in my backyard. I don't have a "right to know" anything I want about their unreleased product.
As for harming MS, if you can't see how these screenshots do that you haven't been reading the critical reviews of it. It has been widely panned as actually managing to make XP's interface look positively sleek and elegant.
I can understand their reasoning (Score:2, Funny)
I'm not surpised.. (Score:5, Interesting)
It's hard to hype a product when there is so much evidence showing the opposite.
Re:I'm not surpised.. (Score:5, Funny)
Purchase Music? (Score:5, Interesting)
Now look at the top left explorer bar and see the link that says "Purchase Music".
Could this be why? Where does the link go? Isn't that illegal in the settlement with the justice dept/EU.
Just curious,
Enjoy
Re:Purchase Music? (Score:2)
Re:Are you sure? (Score:3, Insightful)
It will go the way of Napster
You mean, become a company that does legitimate business, instead of a company that goes out of its way to facilitate copyright violation on a massive scale?
buy some members of congress, get them to pass new laws
Actually, massive copyright violation was already against the law. We have a long standing tradition in the US called, "just because it has become technically easier to do it, doesn't means it's OK to rip off artists"
Re:Are you sure? (Score:4, Informative)
Welcome to the world of the MacMini [apple.com].
Re:Are you sure? (Score:3, Informative)
"Dog slow" compared to what? It's the low-end Mac. It's obviously not going to be as fast as a dual G5. Since the guy spends < $500 on his PC's, he's not exactly in the 'high-end' category.
In terms of style, it thrashes any PC ever made. In terms of performance, it can't hold a candle to anything in its price range.
That myth was debunked the day the Mac mini was introduced. When you compare similar offerings from o
Screenshots? (Score:4, Funny)
EULA again (Score:5, Informative)
"Apparently, there is a condition in the EULA preventing people from posting screenshots. Nobody saw anything like that."
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Index.cfm?Ar
Re:EULA again (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Index.cfm?Art icleID=46188
Is this enforceable? I seem to recall that journalists where permitted to include works that are copyrighted (including screenshots and things of that nature) for the purpose of a review.
IANAL, but it seems to me that if Microsoft was so worried about people posting screenshots they should have had everyone sign non-d
Or alternatively... (Score:2)
I'm not intending to Microsoft bash here (I'm even happy to use an 's' in their name rather than a '$' sign
What is Microsoft trying to hide? (Score:5, Interesting)
So in Longhorn, can I drag documents onto a button on the taskbar to open it, rather than holding the mouse down waiting for the app to appear?
Re:What is Microsoft trying to hide? (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe in screenshot form, but not in video form. Watch Billy G's keynote address, they actually show Longhorn in action*. Nobody will be walking down the aisles of CompUSA and confusing Longhorn for XP. To put it another way: If that were Linux running the demo, you'd all be pitching underwear tents. That's not really a new story around here, though.
(* This is less exciting if you've ever seen OSX.)
Re:What is Microsoft trying to hide? (Score:5, Informative)
This Longhorn beta might looks a lot like Windows XP, but Microsoft is probably saving the cool GUI changes until the last beta or RTM milestone. Betas of earlier Windows version did the same thing.
Re:What is Microsoft trying to hide? (Score:3, Insightful)
There is a (sorta) good reason why this doesn't work currently.
Drag and drop facilities are per-control. Currently, when you drag drop on to the task bar, Windows shows reports an error and then simply eats the Win API message.
Windows could pass the message on to the application, but what does that mean exactly? Some applications could have multiple drop target
Now that really is funny... (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting, BTW, how all those car magazines get away with pictures of pre-production prototytpes snapped during their road-tests. Somehow, car manufacturers don't see a problem there.
Having said that, if he agreed not to do it he shouldn't. Period.
Looks like XP with a new Skin? (Score:2)
Too many lawyers into IT (Score:3, Insightful)
This is going to be the problem in IT, too much legal messing about, both in forms of submarine patents and EULA with incredible conditions.
From the Blog
Honestly, how many of you read fully the EULA that comes with the SW you download ?
What if at some point a company tells you that you have violated their EULA and demands money ?
Sadly, the law, does not obey to "common sense" and "by law" you will be obliged to pay...
Solutions ?, maybe an EULA that is no longer than 25 lines (80 characters each long) ?
Where can I see a list of enhancements? (Score:2)
How about the same for Linux kernel 2.6.12 or distros using it?
At first glance, and I haven't seen or heard much, it seems that Linux distros will be offering much more?? (ie. Xen, *maybe* Reiser4, interface and X.org enhancements (some of them toys
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Apple called (Score:2)
Apple look and feel (Score:2)
One hopes that they have their legions of UI designers doing cool stuff, this is early enough in the process that this may just be a rough mockup.
A couple more days for Apple to cram... (Score:5, Funny)
TAKE THEM DOWN! (Score:3, Insightful)
Its obvious... (Score:3, Funny)
thurrot (Score:5, Funny)
this is perhaps the only thing thurrot has ever written that i've liked.
Ha-ha Microsoft (Score:3, Insightful)
-Jesse
From the "Don't worry about it" Department (Score:3, Funny)
NOT A BETA, stripped down for driver dev (Score:5, Insightful)
Beta is planned for August. The features I work on, and most of the features I've seen in other group's demos, were not merged into this build.
Nice Selective Copying (Score:3, Informative)
"Apparently, there is a condition in the EULA preventing people from posting screenshots."
You may continue MS bashing now...
Microsoft Copies Apple's Bad Ideas (Score:4, Interesting)
The Motif/Windows Classic version may be butt ugly, but at least they're easily distinguishable and big enough to click easily.
Not so much "gone" as "still there." (Score:5, Informative)
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And here is some random text to attempt to satisfy Slashdot's inane content filters. Apparently, it has to be quite a bit of text. I don't know what the average line length is that it requires, but it looks like it's unreasonably high.
Re:Speaking as a recent OS X convert... (Score:3, Interesting)
I agree. In XP (my employer runs Windows only), I use the gray theme with a clean desktop image. In OS X Panther (my laptop),I use the silver/silver theme. I'm a designer, I work with a lot of color, and I need neutral edges and backdrops. Ever try to color correct orange tones against a candy-bright blue?
The human eye needs resting space. White is too bright from a CRT or LCD monitor, so give us a good-looking, uncluttered gray option and type that sets well against it.
I've been thinking a lot about in
Re:Im sorry to disappoint you (Score:3, Insightful)