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Pingtel Open Source VoIP Debuts in Europe 58

jasperbg writes "The Register has an interesting article on open-source VoIP provider Pingtel's debut in Europe. Pingtel is a commercial company which packages and sells products based on code from the SIPfoundry open source community."
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Pingtel Open Source VoIP Debuts in Europe

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  • by Dancin_Santa ( 265275 ) <DancinSanta@gmail.com> on Monday May 23, 2005 @04:16AM (#12610382) Journal
    It seems that a year ago Pingtel had its doubts [phoneplusmag.com] about SIP as the sole technology for VoIP. And they are right, of course.

    The key to making this work is a combination of SIP and other related technologies, but most of all, VoIP needs a solid business plan to work. Despite good technologies and intentions, without a business plan that is well-designed, the project will be doomed to failure. Pingtel thinks they have the right business model. Time will tell
  • Package and Sell (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Kinky Bass Junk ( 880011 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @04:19AM (#12610389)
    It always seems strange to see a company that "packages and sells open source software", it makes it sound as though all it does is crawl the net for open source software, and then sell it as their own.
    • Nothing wrong about it, as long as they give proper credit to the original authors.

    • 1. Google for open source project
      2. Repackage code
      3. ???
      4. PROFIT!!!

      Really, as long as they are not violating the license agreement of the OS project, who cares? Lot's of people do it. Some companies (like the morons I work for) insist on spending money on software.

      Our "Chief Software Engineer" (some very, very, very old guy who hasn't written software since punchcards went out of style) proclaimed "Open Source software is worthless. If it had any value, it wouldn't be free."

      So, someone has to cater to
    • by sipfounder ( 862110 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @05:44AM (#12610560)
      Contrary to the assumption in this specific post, this is not a case of spider/package/sell. Pingtel itself wrote 100% of this software in the 6 years of its venture-backed history prior to releasing it under an open source license. This was previously closed-source software from a company that decided to shake up the VoIP business by shifting from a closed-source model to an open-source model.

      So Pingtel is not merely selling something they didn't work hard to create. They made the original corpus of code, though the growing contributions of others will clearly improve it.

      And even after these contributions grow in proportion to Pingtel's original source, there's still benefit in providing the same service RedHat does: decide what is ready for "prime time enterprise deployment" and what isn't, and package a release accordingly.

  • skype... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by torrents ( 827493 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @04:21AM (#12610393) Homepage
    it would be nice if there was an open source alternative to skype that got major backing by some big players... let's hope this is it! (not that skype isn't good, it's great... but competition is even greater)
    • Re:skype... (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      What exactly do you want from VoIP which only Skype offers? The firewall piercing net code will never be part of any standard VoIP protocol. It's just plain inacceptable in a corporate environment. The higher voice quality comes at the expense of increased bandwidth consumption and has no effect on VoIP-POTS calls anyway. The presence functions are better performed by IM software like ICQ or Jabber. So, what is it?
      • simple... price and availability...
      • by sipfounder ( 862110 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @06:02AM (#12610596)
        1. Something less invasive. Skype's peer-to-peer discovery techniques used at startup "learns" too much about my network "inside" my firewall by doing all kinds of broadcasting, exploring, poking, etc. I don't like it when some other, random company's software starts dissecting the organization of my internal network. I don't trust what they will, or won't do with that info, particularly since it is in the hands of a company who has a demonstrated willingness to do things the rest of the world may not be happy with but that it thinks are "good."
        2. Something that the open source community can expand on in the way the Skype APIs are doing, but not do it in only the ways Skype -- in it's infinite wisdom -- decide are things that are useful / ok / interesting. This is the very beauty of open source -- lemme do what I want.
        3. Play well with others. There are tons of SIP-based products and services starting to enter the market. (See the lists at www.sipforum.org and www.sipcenter.org, etc.) Skype is attracting some providers for SkypeOff, but I'd rather take advantage of the SIP industry's last 5 years of work to make a broad array of products (VXML engines, conference control interfaces, media servers, IP PBXs, etc.)

        Oh, and to the point that Skype's firewall piercing is unique or unacceptable -- it isn't. See an analysis of Skype signaling done at Columbia University. [columbia.edu] Skype appears to use a variant of the STUN/ICE technique currently being worked through in the IETF for use with SIP, too. What isn't acceptable in the corporate environment is the local LAN probing / discovery that Skype does at startup!!!

        So I want something that plays well with me, and others.

    • Re:skype... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by fullstop ( 757724 )
      It's certainly be nice to have some open-source Skype-grade competitors coming up. But I am sure this is not likely be one of them. Skype's PSP architecture is still unique and SIP-based products are simply not going to get any close (to this architecture) in the short run.
  • by EnsilZah ( 575600 ) <.moc.liamG. .ta. .haZlisnE.> on Monday May 23, 2005 @05:03AM (#12610484)
    Was i the only one reading it as Pringles?

    And i got all excited over Voice-Over-Pringles-Can for nothing. =(
    • Heh, me too. I was thinking Pringle cans for wireless improvements. Hehe.
      • by sbryant ( 93075 ) on Monday May 23, 2005 @06:03AM (#12610599)

        After some testing, I found out that they don't work particularly well in wireless mode. In fact, wires as such don't work very well either - string is much better, but must not be slack.

        However, the whole testing thing has highlighted another problem - I had to suitably dispose of the can contents before the testing could begin, and now that I've popped, I don't think I can stop. I need a cure for this new addiction!

        -- Steve

  • The lads at El Reg are certainly enjoying their puns today:

    Revenge of the SIP

    Star Wars: Asterisk Vs SIPFoundry

    You'd swear they were fishing for jobs in the tabloids!

  • by Anonymous Coward
    There's a lot of gas escaping here. Let's keep some of the more important points in mind:

    For many "open-source companies", the bulk of the code they ship is code they've written themselves and placed in open-source. For instance, Pingtel with sipX, Digium with Asterisk, Atlassian with JIRA, Ximian with Evolution, etc. OTOH, there's nothing wrong with a company like Red Hat where most of the code they sell they didn't write. But the open-source company is a business model that people haven't been using

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