The Importance of RSS 120
unfoldedorigami writes "Kevin Hale of Particletree wrote an interesting essay about the importance of RSS and speculates that the success of social bookmarking sites like del.icio.us and Technorati has got Google worried about subscribe becoming the new search. Hale thinks this is the reason behind why they've become so interested in feed reading and the procurement of revenue from them."
Web-based RSS Feed Reader (Score:5, Insightful)
One solution would be to provide a single point of web-based RSS feed reader of sorts, where people could not only add their bookmarks, but also just log in and read their favorite feeds.
Imagine this - if Google could provide a good UI and simple but feature rich interface, I could log onto the equivalent of Google FeedReader and add my feeds there.
A sort of Google-news for RSS feeds, of sorts.
I mean, they could move people from other webmails to Gmail, this shouldn't be too hard, either. Build a nice system where people can add in their feeds and read them on the web in a non-cluttered, nice, manner and people _will_ use your system.
That would give them more power to search and catalogue user preferences - although from a Big Brother perspective, that isn't necessarily a good thing.
I sense a good opening for a web-application!
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I can just imagine, a feed of boobies from around the world.
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Bloglines is crap, use Bl0x0r [bloxor.com]! It only supports Firefox and Mozilla, though, because it's a XUL app.
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Let's burn his server !!!
http://www.bloxor.com/ [bloxor.com]
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I think Google Fusion [google.com] is going to do this "soon".
From the FAQ [google.com], bolding in reply mine:
With "standardized feed" I assume they mean feeds following the RSS and/or Atom standards.
Anyway, in this case, you'd have your RSS feeds on your main Google search page if using this feature.
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I'm sure Google Fusion will be fantastic once it's out of beta. Really, I am.
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Yahoo! Search already provides an option to "add this to My Yahoo" for search results. Take a look at a sample search [yahoo.com].
I eagerly await Google's revolutionary imitation of all Yahoo's progress in RSS reading.
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Who's imating who now? Why do their search results look so similar to Google's?
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The reason that people turn to something like RSS is because it lets them get to the meat faster without the extraneous crap. Searching through google results exposes you to it, searching through your various favorite sites in your bookmarks exposes you to it, etc. RSS does not, and therefore people gravitate towards it.
Advertising IS extraneous crap. If you put it in RSS feeds, people will no longer have the motivation to use it. You'll be breaking the tool.
It's such a joke. A new information-location technology comes out that is more effective at filtering out crap, the public jumps onboard because they don't want to see the crap, the IT guys jump onboard because that's where the people are and try to make a profit by forcing the public to waste their time looking at someones crap, and the people leave for greener pastures.
Thing is, people came to recognize that it's not the technology that was important, but the providers of the technology... they're the ones you trust (or don't trust) not to betray you, break the tool, and waste your time.
Google didn't rise to prominance because they have wonderful technology... lots of companies have wonderful technology. They rose to prominance because people came to trust them to filter the crap and give them what they're looking for better than their contemporaries.
Now, google is a big publicly traded company. They shove some crap in your face when you do a search, carefully weighing just how much crap they can get away with. They corrupt and poison the very infrastructure of the web itself with their "replace key words in content with div-pops and links to advertising in a way that obfuscates the fact that is advertising until you have already been exposed to it" technology. I can't speak for others, but while flash ads and banners merely annoy me, this particular technique actually makes me angry as hell.
While there is a large amount of inertia to overcome, this sort of shit will eventually spell the end of their relevance, because people will eventually come to realize that it doesn't really matter what the technology of the moment is, they will come to know that google is going to pervert it and waste their time in the name of profit.
This happened to sites like yahoo and msn and that provided the opportunity for google to rise to prominance. Now it's happening to google and providing an opportunity for another to rise to prominance.
Not a moment too soon if you ask me. If I never see another IntelliText link slip through my adblocker, it will be too soon.
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Yes, but it also pays the bills. If the web content companies don't advertise, what business model should they use?
They corrupt and poison the very infrastructure of the web itself with their "replace key words in content with div-pops and links to advertising in a way that obfuscates the fact that is advertising until you have already been exposed to it" technology.
Are you claiming this is Google's idea? I've seen this, but never in association with Google. You later put a name to it - "IntelliText [sic]" - but IntelliTXT is run by Vibrant Media, which doesn't appear to have any ties with Google. Please provide a counterexample.
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Perhaps I did mean autolink. I mean, I did specifically say so in my post, after all.
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How about gofuckthemselves.com?
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I will agree that it's quite annoying but Google isn't doing it. I think the only way Google can be said to do this is with the 'autolink' button on the Google toolbar, which is only tangentially similar to what you're talking about.
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Well, I doubt that Google is "worried" about RSS feeds, they're just looking at them as another source of information to search. The GoogleBot kicks the tires of my blog [makeeasymo...google.com] at least once a day, so I can only imagine that it's doing the same for everyone else's. It's just a logical extension of what they already do. Replace "is worried" with "sees an opportunity", in other words.
Eric
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Write your own! (Score:2)
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It's a bit tricky to configure, and hasn't been updated in months, but can still be useful.
http://rss2php.sourceforge.net/rss-homepage.php [sourceforge.net]
(don't worry this isn't marketing really - it's opensource
I think web interfaces are the future to reading RSS feeds, and can be much more powerful than simple
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Imagine this - if Google could provide a good UI and simple but feature rich interface, I could log onto the equivalent of Google FeedReader and add my feeds there. A sort of Google-news for RSS feeds, of sorts.
You mean like this [yahoo.com]?
My Yahoo! has been doing this for 2+ years now. Google is playing catch-up.
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Its put out by Microsoft, but you don't sign up for an account. Its beta, so odds are that will change.
It supports uploading OPML files so you can export your existing feeds and upload them to the website.
Heres a good writeup [masternewmedia.org] about it.
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GOOGLE ALREADY DO THIS, without your customisation page, and adding a 'choose your own RSS' if managed correctly people will love it.
Have RSS subscriptions in your GMAIL account (with diffing, so only new articles come up as unread etc - don't know if rss supports this? (article id'ing, else just use url))
RSS for slashdot == correct. Using is as a news source on google news? not correct.
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Not here... (Score:2, Funny)
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Amusing (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Amusing-Limits (Score:2)
It's been 15 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment."
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me. Is there some glorious reason why I can only post once every 5 minutes now? I don't mind, but their warning says you have to wait 2.
Re:Amusing-Limits - Concur (Score:2)
It's a patience game.
I'm being patient.
Aw, fuck it
How about ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Breaking (Score:1)
Yeesh (Score:5, Funny)
"Y is the new X" is the new "Hello! 1993 called and they want their X back!"
Meta-meme (Score:2, Funny)
I sure don't want my ex back. Friggin' harpy.
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damn damn recursion
I doubt it will replace search engines... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I doubt it will replace search engines... (Score:3, Insightful)
Besides, even if RSS becomes The Next Intarweb(TM), we'll still need to have someone index the billions of RSS feeds.
Re:I doubt it will replace search engines... (Score:3, Interesting)
On the other hand, wouldn't you like to know if google found any NEW information about certain topics.
Some of these things are already available. For example pubsub.com [pubsub.com] will tell you about new pages for your ego surf. CNN has email alerts that i
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"The new search" doesn't displace the "old search" (Score:2)
By "the new search" they might mean "the new cool thing now that search is largely done", but it's certainly nowhere near "search is over and replaced with RSS". RSS tells you about cool new stuff; search is how you find answers to questions. They apply to differe
Re:I doubt it will replace search engines... (Score:1)
The web is too dynamic to not benefit from ongoing search technology. The only real difference is using RSS to regularly disperse information that is new or changed since the last distribution.
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the important of RSS is.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course, at some point they will start putting crap in RSS feeds (they are already putting ads in the feeds.. I agree with Dave Winer: isn't the feed an ad ALREADY??), and someone will re-invent it all over again.
But for now it's a great way to just read content without crap. Say, that's a good slogan: "RSS: content without crap".
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Reminisce! [floodgap.com]
Re:Now to learn how to use it... (Score:1)
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Seriously... (Score:5, Insightful)
(Slashdot, if I understand correctly, limits RSS because massive monitoring kills the network and servers. But if they only transmitted a single multicast on an event - such as a FP update - or every 30 minutes, the load would be negligable and yet everyone would get instantaneous updates.)
In the end, RSS is a dead-end technology, because the network will always expand faster than any given pipe, which means point-to-point will inevitably fail in the end. It doesn't scale.
RSS is good, yeah, but only as a stop-gap until ISPs can be pressured into enabling technologies they should never have disabled.
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Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
Instead of using AJAX or an autorefresh every 10 seconds while awaiting for content, why can't we have something that will just listen until the server decides to send something?
Same thing with RSS. We refresh every x seconds, while we could just be listening indefinitely until we receive something.
Perhaps establish some sort of
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I mean surely there is no way this could EVER be mis-used.
Well, you know, except for increasing the effectiveness of a zombie bot army from being able to hit 100's of machines at once to millions at once.
But hey! That a small price to pay for instant updates when my favorite porn site finds a new pic to post!
Ask, and ye shall receive (by multicast) (Score:3, Interesting)
Right on.
We're working on exactly that here at Rice [rice.edu]. FeedTree (paper [rice.edu]) is a newsfeed distribution system, built atop the self-organizing Pastry [rice.edu] overlay and the Scribe [rice.edu] multicast algorithm. Scribe is self-organizing and low-maintenance; everyone shares the load of distrib
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Mmm. Sounds tasty. (Then again, so does the very notion of a news feed...)
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That said, if you go to Rochester in Kent, there is a newsagent there called "RSS News".
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Please, please make an announcement on Freshmeat when this comes out. I'll be monitoring the site, but official announcements make it easier to see when an update is crucial.
Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
It's a shame nobody uses it. It's not multicast, but it would still scale better than constant polling by the masses does. I think part of the problem is that the spec isn't clear in certain parts.
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A better solution is to only request the RSS feed when the user initiates it, or has the feed visible (in their browser / other). A feed that's not visible doesn't need to be updated.
As an example for Firefox - instead of updating every hour or however (and throughout the night for those who leave their browse
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The problem there, though, is it requires that the software be written with the remote server in mind. That doesn't usually happen, especially where the programmers are neither the use
Or it could just be the dot com craze revisited (Score:2, Insightful)
What A Stupid Concept (Score:2)
RSS isn't going to replace search... the search engines will just have an easier job if the RSS feeds are provided for them.
Success? (Score:2)
It seems like sites like this end up with a few thousand hardcore users and the rest of the people using the internet don't care about them in the least. That is what Google has to be afraid of?
I think that people making such speculation are just too short of understanding to see that the internet is more than just Google. Using the internet for something other than searching the web doesn't hurt Google in the least.
Searching can be one time, subscription can't. (Score:4, Interesting)
Generic RSS subscription (where you just click the "syndicate this site" link or little orange button) is not very useful as a replacement for search because you don't get to customize anything. Unless the blog in question offers categories, then you're stuck getting whatever they push onto the feed, even though the strength of RSS is supposed to be that you're pulling the information over.
Instead, you want to go with an RSS subscription that gives you some measure of control, specified by you. But what? A search term? I watch news.google.com for "Shakespeare". And I get every hit -- shakespeare fishing rods, shakespeare references in businessweek, and some football player named shakespeare who fell off a boat and died. Not what I want. At least something like a delicious theoretically goes one step above, because by having an army of monkeys tagging URLs by the thousands, you're assuming that you've attached validated meta data to each link. When I search delicious for things that are tagged Shakespeare, I might not only get exactly what I want, but my odds are much higher that it will be what I expected.
RSS and Bandwith (Score:3, Interesting)
The REAL importance of RSS (Score:1, Interesting)
Google worried about feeds? Please! (Score:1)
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Spurl (Score:2, Interesting)
More users everyday putting their spurl rss feeds to their blogs, even some have created tools that post new spurls when they have added as blog.
Pity (Score:3, Interesting)
RSS Meme Mining (Score:1)
http://www.realmeme.com/miner/new.php?startup=/min er/technology/hibernatevsrubyDejanews.png [realmeme.com]
I can get backfill data from dejanews, but a more profitable solution is to catch the trend early. heoretically, you could do that from a good sample of RSS feeds by doing frequency counts on words and phrases.
I spent some
Misleading facts in the article (Score:1, Offtopic)
The SBL is used to blacklist SMTP gateways, not URL's appearing in the body of an e-mail message. The SpamAssassin process used SRBL [srbl.org] to scan messages for "spammy" URLs. It has nothing to do with SBL blacklisting of gateways.
When criticizing a tool as
RSS *IS* important (Score:2)
RSS causes media sameness (Score:2, Insightful)
OpenSearch (Score:5, Interesting)
And it's not just for A9 -- anyone can use OpenSearch to syndicate their search to anyone else. One example of a search aggregator other than A9 using OpenSearch is OSFeed [osfeed.com]. And example of a search engine that can be accessed by anyone is AWS OpenSearch [unto.net], which lets you search Amazon via RSS.
So in other words, when done well search and RSS are highly compatible.
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That's just silly - "search" is not "feed" (Score:2)
Searching is looking for something specific. Feeds are for "what's new." These are quite different activities.
Ob PubSub (Score:2)
The Easiest RSS Reader (Score:1)