U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS 385
An Anonymous Reader wrote in with a story on the Eweek site, reporting that the Federal Government is going to keep control of the Domain Name System rather than handing it over to ICANN. From the article: "...the United States is committed to taking no action that would have the potential to adversely impact the effective and efficient operation of the DNS, and will therefore maintain its historic role in authorizing changes or modifications to the authoritative root zone file..."
U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Keep one/two root servers in each country based on population of internet users/total population. Really, this is what I could see as being "fair" or "international" as they come in terms of a solution that would benefit everyone. That's a LOT of servers, right? Each country can come up with a solution as to how and what they'll be. Let the other countries make their own DNS servers and agree to everyone just co-operating with each other.
How hard can it be?
Re:U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Better be polite about it, of course, but do not let go.
outsource it to india (Score:4, Funny)
Re:U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Most countries have servers for their own TLD's (.au in Australia). Come to think of it there is nothing to stop countries with firewalls (Iran, China, Sauda Arabia, etc) from diverting root server traffic to their own root servers. Personally this is the type of control which I would _not_ want my Government to have.
And who should replace it? (Score:4, Insightful)
The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:5, Informative)
The ITU was founded before the UN was, and oviously, it has very little to do with human rights issues, they just happen to share some organizational structure.
This constant ignorant whining of the "the UN is a worthless piece of garbage" kind, is getting on my nerves. Educate yourself instead of repeating soundbites you heard on the news.
More info here: ITU history [itu.int]
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Insightful)
Not useless (Score:2, Insightful)
Have you ever heard of the World Health Organization, a part of the UN? They are working hard to eradicate polio, which is a terrible disease, and things are looking good so far. [polioeradication.org]
Do you still think the UN has been useless for the last 40 years?
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:4, Insightful)
Funny you should mention the Christians. They themselves have a stunning record of peaceful behaviour: The crusades, the Inquisition, today's USA.
Did you think that pointing out that two million Christians died would garner you anymore sympathy than pointing out that two million people died? Who the hell cares that they were Christians? Personally, the less intolerant, monotheistic, war mongering religions on the planet the better. Christians, Muslims, Jews -- all guilty.
Seeing two million people slaughtered is awful, don't weaken your point by attempting to back it up with an emotional response.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Informative)
Your grasp of history is tenuous at best.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Insightful)
It's when one of the spiritual "leaders" of one of these groups decides to abuse their position to promote their own twisted politics that you get genocide and abuse that goes against the basic prinicples of those religions. I suspect that a lot of people claiming to be Christians these days would make Jesus sic
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't blame UN when you own government didn't do shit. You are just as guilty as the rest of us so don't try to make it seem like USA are some kind of Saint that only do good deeds and protect the weak against those who wants to inflict harm on them (especially if they are Christian). USA have destroyed a whole bunch of Christian democracys, like Chile and Guatemala, and bombed and killed countless of other innocent people. I don't think that is in the bible that its ok to do that.
And 2 millions? You pulled that out of your ass? Your own government (Yes the US of A with Bush as president) said that its only around 181000. So Muslims are now just evil? What about the new report from Iraq in which Iraq UN ambassador said that a relative of his were murdered by the peace-loving Christians in the US marine corps? That boy wanted to help you and you repaid him with a bullet in his neck.
And don't make it into some kind of religious war because its not. Learn first what the conflict is about BEFORE you start to make wild claims.
And your claim that UN is corrupt. SIGH. You know, USA is a big part of UN so if UN is corrupt then USA is partly to blame for it. Once again, UN is not some strange mythical organization. black helicopters flying around, that wants to destroy humankind and USA and Christians in particular.
I have nothing against USA, in fact I love that country and I love especially one American girl more than anything in this worl. I do however something against you in person. So just because someone is criticizing you, its not critique against democracy or freedom or USA or something like that, its because they just don't like what YOU say.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:5, Insightful)
i.e. when the US acts without the backing of the UN, we're the big, evil bully. However, when the US DOESN'T act when the UN is disinterested, we're the big, evil, unfeeling nation who could care less about the plight of the rest of the world. Right?
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Insightful)
Invading a defenceless country and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians makes you an "evil bully".
Being a member of the UN security council and blocking attempts to intervene makes you and "evil bully".
What you Republicans don't seem to understand is
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2, Troll)
Christians are persecuted in Nigeria too (sometimes burned and beheaded) - but the UN won't even publicize that either.
The UN is anti-Christian and anti-American in many ways.
If we complain about it - we are called bigots.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2, Funny)
Obviously, you haven't been following the news:
"... slashdot.org is an far-right wing Internet news website that posts libelous and defamatory content and is used by Open Source Community members to anonymously post hate speech, death threats, threats to murder and promotes and advocates acts of domestic terrorism within the United States..."
according to Jeff Merkey [merkeylaw.com]. Sounds pretty mainstream American to me.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2)
Not like "the war in Iraq is bad," more like "you and your country suck"
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Insightful)
Stupidity is not limited to any geographical area of the world, unfortunately.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:3, Insightful)
Not complaining mind you, makes for good discussions, but just can't believe someone would write a story saying Slashdot is far right.
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Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2, Insightful)
Quit funny. I live in a country that has been under emormous pressure from "international community" to admit doing wrong things, blah, blah. And they did bad things.
And I will always give shit to my govt/country when they do something I don't think is right. at the same time, I see many Americans not being able to handle any comments about how their GOVERNMENT might be doing something wrong.
What's that?
It's a bit of wishful thinking (Score:2)
Actually, living in Canada right now, it's kindof the same issue as far as America-bashing goes; people go "god-damned Americans, screwing up
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2)
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2)
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I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:3, Insightful)
If I am so ignorant of the real, good accomplishments of the UN, the please post them here. Let's see them.
I am distrustful of the UN because most of its members are completely undemocratic tin h
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:5, Interesting)
The UN was designed to do one thing: prevent World War III.
It did that exceptionally well. The USSR and the USA never had a huge tank/nuke war in Europe, and their proxy wars were fought with unusual restraint given that each side had nuclear arms.
The fact that the UN has been used to do some other things is a comparative footnote.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:2)
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:2)
Depends on when and at what scale. For instance, nuking Afghanistan and Vietnam likely would not have resulted in nuking the USSR or the USA.
Heck, it's entirely possible that, sans UN, the USSR and the USA would have traded nukes a few at a time at first--and by "at first" I mean "during or before the Korean war."
And let's not forget that the main reason the Cold War didn't heat up
The UN is the world's best hope for peace? Yeah... (Score:4, Informative)
This cliche has achieved near universal acceptance because of sheer repetition; it has been repeated so often that people assume it must be true. However, only by some tortured application of Orwellian "Newspeak" can the UN be referred to as a "peace" organization.
During the summer of 1945, Ambassador J. Reuben Clark, Jr., one of America's foremost scholars in the field of international law, prepared an analysis of the UN Charter. His learned appraisal and cogent remarks fly in the face of popular platitudes and conventional "wisdom" concerning the "revered" document. Ambassador Clark's examination led him to conclude that the Charter "is a war document not a peace document," and that it "is built to prepare for war, not to promote peace." The Ambassador noted:
[T]here is no provision in the Charter itself that contemplates ending war. It is true the Charter provides for force to bring peace, but such use of force is itself war.33
Moreover, said Ambassador Clark,
Not only does the Charter Organization not prevent future wars, but it makes practically certain that we shall have future wars, and as to such wars it takes from us the power to declare them, to choose the side on which we shall fight, to determine what forces and military equipment we shall use in the war, and to control and command our sons who do the fighting.34
The Ambassador's predictions were soon borne out -- first in Korea and then in Vietnam, the first two wars America fought with UN involvement and the only two which the United States has ever failed to win.35
Dr. J. B. Matthews, former chief investigator for the House Committee on Un-American Activities and one of America's outstanding scholars on Marxist-Leninist theory and practice, was but one of many leading Americans who exposed the UN-as-peace-dove myth. Dr. Matthews was not one to mince words. "I challenge the illusion that the UN is an instrument of peace," he said. "It could not be less of a cruel hoax if it had been organized in Hell for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the destruction of the United States."36 Senator William Langer (R-ND), one of only two senators with enough courage and foresight to vote against the UN Charter, said "I feel from the bottom of my heart that the adoption of the Charter
The UN's monstrous war against the people of Katanga should forever lay to rest any reference to the UN as a peace organization. The UN and its supporters may persist in the charade of calling the UN's warmaking powers "peacemaking" or "peacekeeping," but no sensible person of goodwill should give the slightest credence to such patently deceitful abuse of language.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:3, Insightful)
set OFFTOPIC=1
Like what? Deploy space based hunter killer robots that shot thermal rays from orbit to destroy all the nukes on earth? Ya, you're right they didn't do that.
They did however provide a forum for the discussion of disagreements, and a structure within for things like the ABM treaty et all to exist in international law (oops that's a dirty word).
It provided a forum where the non-superpowers could extert some peer
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:4, Informative)
No problem. Some googling resulted in this list of UN accomplishments [una-usadanecounty.org].
Please take some time to read it. There's some pretty good stuff in there, I think.
Some highlights:
5. UNICEF spends more than $800 million a year, primarily on immunization, health care, nutrition and basic education in 138 countries.
9. Over 300 international treaties, on topics as varied as human rights conventions to agreements on the use of outer space and seabed.
11. The UN was a major factor in bringing about the downfall of the apartheid system.
12. More than 30 million refugees fleeing war, famine or persecution have received aid from the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
41. Improving global communications Regulated international mail delivery, coordinated use of the radio spectrum, promoted cooperation in assigning positions for stationary satellites, and established international standards for communications, thereby ensuring the unfettered flow of information around the globe.
45. Improving education in developing countries 60% of adults in developing countries can now read and write, and 80 percent of children in these countries attend school.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually world peace is not threatened very hard these days. The three major world powers (USA/China/USSR) all have similiar goals and are achieving them economically. They find economic warfare has better PR, lower costs, and is more effective then troops. The single thing hobbling the Un
Mod down flamebait. (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, vetos of ridiculous resolutions by anti-semetic nations condemning Israel for defending itself is hampering world peace and prosperity.
Re:Mod down flamebait. (Score:3, Insightful)
Ah fuck it... you ain't listening anyways.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:2)
Either you're talking about China, or you are completely intellectually bankrupt.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:2)
Yeah, I thought so.
Re:I have educated myself, YOU have not (Score:2)
Saddam Hussein, back in 1991.
Oh, you thought that war ever actually ended? Hint: You don't end a war by signing a cease-fire, then continually breaking the terms of it.
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2)
Maybe you meant cell phone standards?? Oh wait...
This should have been modded "+1 funny", it sure mad
Re:The ITU != the rest of UN (Score:2, Insightful)
What nonsense! Leaving all of the politics out of it, the UN *is* a worthless piece of garbage - bloated, elitist, corrupt, bureaucratic, useless, and ineffective. I've been UN-watching since the fifties, and anyone who thinks that today's UN *isn't* garbage and is more than just a shell of its former self is the one who needs to educate himself and gain some perspective.
Re:And who should replace it? (Score:5, Insightful)
You'd probably be dead of smallpox, if not all out nuclear war, but hey who cares when you you've got fox news talking points to spread on the web.
I'll get you started on the path to some facts:
The World Health Organization eradicated smallpox. Guess who created WHO? [wikipedia.org]
Playing the "rotating seat" card and claiming an evil conspiracy is pretty weak. The UN members states get representation of some kind, not just, say the US. Internationalism is ugly and messy. There's another country with a horrible human rights record that almost never gets mentioned by the "UN is bad, mmkay" crowd. Guess who? [jatonyc.org] Guess who keeps covering for them in the security council.
Anyway, taking the "I hate stuff and I'm kinda a libertarian" stance on slashdot is a great way to get mod points. Congrats on your +5 post!
Re:And who should replace it? (Score:2)
Cue "Who? WHO!" jokes
Re:And who should replace it? (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, the UN didn't end the Cold War and didn't stop the US/USSR from having a nuclear war.
The US/USSR stopped themselves from having a nuclear war. The UN didn't stop Korean 50-53, they didn't stop the Suez Crisis, they didn't solve the Israel/Arab wars, they didn't stop the Cuban Missile Crisis, the UN didn't tell the US/USSR to have the SALT I/II treaties,
Re:And who should replace it? (Score:2)
How hard indeed... (Score:2)
Its amazingly easy to divide up something that isn't yours. Its like me telling you how to spend your money, and we all know how thats going to end up.
Re:U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:3, Insightful)
Total population? Sure! So that'd be two in China, one in India, and... uhm... about none in the USA.
Re:U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:3, Funny)
Especially when you read the wrong column.
Asia: 34%
North America: 24.9%
Re:U.S. Won't Let Go of DNS - So what? (Score:2)
Um, it's supposed to be distributed. If the US retains control of all the root servers then the US retains control of the Internet. If the US is ever turned into "Lake US" by the "$TODAYS threat" what happens to the rest of the world's Internet?
It allows the US to retain that thing they seem to think they have a fundamental right to - control over the whole world.
It is also a profitable exercise. It forces more and more data to pass through the US. They can charge $$
Ask yourself this (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:3, Informative)
I think the real question is "why does the USA want the DNS root servers" (most of them, anyway)?
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:2, Insightful)
Apparently there was an unwritten understanding that ICANN would be able to come up with at least one sensible new TLD before being given anything more important to do.
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:2)
Why give them away if we are doing a darn good job with them already?
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:2)
It really is not as strategic as some folk think. The only thing that the root does is to hand off to the TLDs. Provided it does that and does not go down and there is no political idiocy there is no real problem.
What some countries are worried by is the possibility that some idiot Congressman looking to court the Florida Cuban or the Israeli lobby vote would stick an ammendment into some critical bill tha
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ask yourself this (Score:5, Insightful)
Why are we suddenly supporting ICANN? Because it's an opportunity to attack the U.S.? Come on, wasn't this the same organization that held meetings on critical issues in Ghana so that critics wouldn't come? (i.e. Let's hold an important meeting on how much we'll let the public participate in ICANN in a country with less than impressive internal stability so the critics will be scared away.)
Sorry, given the choice of ICANN control of root servers and US control of root servers... I'll stick with the current well functioning system. One of the two is subject to political pressure from SOMEBODY.
Why does ICANN want the DNS servers ? (Score:2)
ZONK! READ THE DAMN SITE! (Score:5, Insightful)
ICANN Won't Get DNS Root Servers [slashdot.org]
AGAIN? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:AGAIN? (Score:2)
Last time they were asked about it they said:
"We can stop controlling the DNS servers anytime we want to - we just don't want to stop right now."
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/01/061825 (Score:5, Informative)
If you believe everyone plays fair... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:If you believe everyone plays fair... (Score:5, Informative)
The root servers are spread out all over the world. It is that, in fact, that guarantees physical security, because the system is physically distributed. There is no central point of failure to attack.
That's rather the point of the Internet.
KFG
Re:If you believe everyone plays fair... (Score:2)
Re:If you believe everyone plays fair... (Score:2)
Re:If you believe everyone plays fair... (Score:2)
sure if the roots went offline your isps servers would probablly have com/org/net and many others cached but especially if they are smaller its likely that wouldn't have the full set so some lookups may well fail. Also because its time to live based if you are unlucky your isps nameservers may expire thier cache of com at any time after the roots wen't down depending on when they go
recent slashdot article you may be interested in (Score:2, Informative)
It's no wonder.... (Score:2)
(Although I will say ICANN hasn't always behaved consistently.)
Re:It's no wonder.... (Score:3, Insightful)
In other News US won't give up Alaska or Texas (Score:2)
ICANN wants it, the U.S. Govt says well you have been doing such a fine job in your assigned role we certainly wouldn't want to burden you with extra duties.
Perhaps The U.N. should just administer it directly, I mean they have done an even better job than ICANN over the years.
I should submit a new article (Score:5, Funny)
An Anonymous Reader wrote in with a story on the Slashdot site, reporting that the Slashdot editors are going to keep control of the Duping System rather than handing it over to intelligent moderators that would be capable of successfully weeding out repeated stores. From the article: "...Slashdot is committed to taking no action when it sees a repeated story arrive for publication on its website, as this would have the potential to positively impact the effective and efficient operation of Slashdot.org.
Four Hours Later... (Score:3, Funny)
Anonymous Reads writes: Despite efforts by a coalition of the willing and intelligent moderators, Slashdot refuses to relenquish control of its Duping System - capable of successfully weeding out repeat stories - to the aforementioned group. Says a Slashdot source: "...Slashdot is committed to taking no action when it sees a repeated story arrive for publication..." When asked about the reason for this, our source commented that efficiency and effectiveness would not s
Correct My Understanding- (Score:4, Interesting)
This is just my understanding of the situation, and it probably has errors. That said, I've not once seen a good plain language [communitywiki.org] explanation of how this all works, and what the actual powers and obligations are. This is my understanding of what an IETF regular told me.
Neither the US or ICANN actually determines what goes into the root name servers: It's just by convenience and general agreement (but not obligation) that the root nameservers decide to humour ICANN, and let them maintain the list of names. There is no law or contract that says they have to do anything that ICANN says.
Congress doesn't control this, and never did, if I understand right.
Please correct my understanding; I'm sure at least some of this is wrong.
Paul Vixie really controls it... (Score:5, Informative)
So, most of the big nameservers out there are using BIND, with dedicated Windows shops running AD or running BIND on Windows and everyone sane using UNIX, it's really up to Paul Vixie at ISC. So long as he plays ball with the Commerce Department, nobody needs to get hurt...
Re:Paul Vixie really controls it... (Score:2)
Re:Correct My Understanding- (Score:2)
Doesn't ICANN already have de facto control of DNS anyway? I don't hear of much Department of Commerce interference with its operation.
FreeDNS (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:FreeDNS (Score:2)
Re:FreeDNS (Score:2)
Problem is that fragmentation in the namespace means that resources and persons would no longer be universally accessible. Fine for a big monopoly trying to freeze out the competition. Not great for the rest of us.
I know! (Score:2, Interesting)
The government doesn't control DNS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The government doesn't control DNS (Score:3)
Not necessarily, consider the Australian government which has internet content rules and also runs the ".cx" domain. Christmas Island is an Austalian territory, mostly known for large tree climbing land crabs and being a dodgy business registration/money laundering bank location, and a place to lock up refugees and pretend they are not in your juristiction. Porn and gambling make a lot of money for so
It seems like (Score:5, Insightful)
(insert rolling eyes emoticon here)
I think the US government is well aware how dangerous the Internet and the flow of information across it is to its enemies. Iran and company can only be ever destabilized by the Internet and cutting themselves off completely will leave them behind more and more. Opening up access will accellerate disaffection in those nations more and more. Either way, the days of these totalitarians is numbered.
Yet supposedly the US government is suddenly going to do all sorts of nasty things with their control of the root servers.
I doubt Microsoft, IBM, General Motors, CitiBank, etc. would put up with that nor would any of the other many thousands of businesses and in short order, their money would do the talking to congressmen.
Mugabe! (Score:4, Funny)
Just the man for the job.
I just can't understand the US reticence.
Re:Mugabe! (Score:2)
Re:Mugabe! (Score:2)
No Islamofascists on the horizon. Saddam gone. House of Saud replacing its ambassador. Blue skies. Pinot Grigiot plentiful. Hmmmm.
(Reassured sigh.)
All I want... (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, it's DNS... (Score:2)
One little reminder (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:One little reminder (Score:3, Informative)
Like the GPS system (also US taxpayer financed in the billions and used by the world without gratitude or financial consideration), if people in other countries or Americans don't like the US govt administering it, go build your own.
Got [wikipedia.org] ya [wikipedia.org]
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Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Isn't the title to this story misleading? (Score:3, Insightful)
Taking sides (Score:3, Insightful)
It's time for alternate root DNS... (Score:3, Informative)
I'd define it a little differently. (Score:2)
Has anyone heard of the U.S. abusing this authority for particularistic gain?
Re:He who hs the nukes ... (Score:2)
It should be trivial to make your own root servers (Score:2)
Re:ICANN (Score:5, Funny)
ICAAN!
US: You can't.
ICAAN!
US: You cannot.
ICAAN!
US: No, You can't!
Re:UN Tax (Score:2)