Graphics in Science 93
BishopBerkeley writes "Nature has an interesting nugget about the second meeting of the Image and Meaning Initiative which was held at the Getty Museum in Los Angeles. It is about the use of graphics in presenting scientific data. I am also a big advocate of using nice graphics in scientific presentations, but I also agree with Felice Franel, the founder of I-M, that not all images are meaningful scientifically. In fact, one encounters (and I am ashamed to admit that I have published) images that look nice but have no scientific import at all. One very cool Harvard physics professor, Eric Heller, produces wickedly beautiful (and meaningful) images of quantum mechanical models. These images have made the covers of Science and Nature, and are featured in his online art gallery, which was reviewed in the New York Times in 2002." And of course, any mention of graphic information should not go by without a big shout out to Edward Tufte.
Ever read Phi? (Score:1, Interesting)
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Please, use examples which are going to be familiar to the majority of the Slashdot audience.
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So is having access to a dictionary: "Import(IMPORTANCE) noun [U] FORMAL importance or meaning: Whether it is to be a 'working' visit or an 'official' visit is of little/no import."
Perfectly cromulent word if you ask me.
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Graphics in Science (Score:4, Funny)
The Secret (Score:1, Offtopic)
I know how they make these: it's with this! [etch-a-sketch.com]
Don't Forget The Cool Factor (Score:5, Informative)
But there is a cool factor involved with a lot of imaging. You can't deny that.
Probably more disturbing is when images appear to convey data when they really don't. The use of false color is a great tool to bring out detail in astonomical images, but many times is misleading to the casual observer who may not understand that the images are "doped"
Is BitTorrent Next? [whattofix.com]
Re:Don't Forget The Cool Factor (Score:5, Insightful)
But still.. a human eye is an extremly good tool for spotting things.. a computer can only look for the specific things you tell it to look sofr whereas an eye and a mind of someone knowledgable, will often sense something in a way that no computer can.
In most cases representing something gpahically makes that easier to grasp.
Re:Don't Forget The Cool Factor (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, I've taken a slightly different tack in my research. While the computer might be better at actually analysing the data, visualisation can be a great tool in getting the results of that analysis to the user. In my case I've visualised [chalmers.se] the states of self learning intrusion detection systems so that the user can 'see for himself' why the system operates the way it does. Making under and overtraining and false alarms visible to an extent they weren't before.
But I agree. Even though I started out (PDF) [chalmers.se] doing straight up visualisation, I've come to believe that it's the combination of computer analysis and visualisation to better match the capabilities of the human operator and the machine that's the interesting field to explore [chalmers.se].
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Just because I don't know what meaning a picture conveys doesn't make it nonscientific, does it?
Re:Don't Forget The Cool Factor (Score:2)
That must have been one of the luckiest photographers to be able to see a fighter plane travelling at supersonic speeds through humid air.
Please make the story clear. (Score:5, Funny)
> not all images are meaningful scientifically. In fact, one encounters [...] images that look nice but have no scientific import at all
Could you show that with a diagram or something?
Re:Please make the story clear. (Score:5, Funny)
Graphical information representation... (Score:4, Insightful)
The core of your presentation... (Score:3, Insightful)
IMHO, the main information of you presentation should be the words you say, only to be supported by your slides...
not the other way around.
If you put your entire presentation in your slides, then there is no need to listen to you.
My apologies if this was not your intent with this statement, but I have seen quite a few presentations where the person prese
Re:Graphical information representation... (Score:2, Funny)
Powerpoint was previously explored [slashdot.org] on Slashdot.
Of particular interest was this link [norvig.com] to a Powerpoint presentation of the Gettyburg address.
Re:Graphical information representation... (Score:2)
I've never seen a PPP that was anything other than a huge waste of time. I think I might have seen my last, though.
Site slow (Score:3, Informative)
Nature has an interesting nugget [mirrordot.org]
Image and Meaning Initiative [mirrordot.org]
Eric Heller [mirrordot.org]
online art gallery [mirrordot.org]
New York Times [mirrordot.org]
shout out to Edward Tufte [mirrordot.org]
Collaborative Autocaching (Score:2)
All those steps could be automated. Perhaps an Apache module that lets an admin specify
Design Museum London (Score:4, Informative)
They have everything from pie-charts prepared by Florence Nightingale comparing the death rates in battle vs. the field hospitals to a graphical representation of the Linux Kernel.
Well worth a look.
who made this tuft guy czar (Score:1, Troll)
once we stop kow towing to the tuftewrongs, we might get somewhere.
Re:who made this tuft guy czar (Score:5, Informative)
Might have to do with the fact that he was a professor of statistics, graphic design, and political economy at Yale [wikipedia.org].
so little
Did you read his 3 main books on scientific graphics (The Visual Display of Quantitative Information; Envisioning Information; Visual Explanations)? They are very insightful books with a wealth of examples that are very inspiring.
opinions on design (...) by definition are subjective matters
Bull. This might be true if you talk about art, but we are not. You can easily do experiments that show that viewers have an easier time extracting information in a specific graphic design than in others.
once we stop kow towing to the tuftewrongs, we might get somewhere
Sure, but please show specific examples where he is wrong
Re:who made this tuft guy czar (Score:2)
And just easily I can show that other viewers have an easier time extracting information in those other designs.
Re:who made this tuft guy czar (Score:2)
Get your head out of your ass, wil you? Of course the parent meant: most people and probably a vast majority. If you dispute those claims (which I assume are in the listed bnooks) then please do post these studies of your own, well?
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No, you can't (Score:1)
> extracting information in those other designs.
No, you can't.
How do I know that? Because you foolishly leaped to say the opposite of a very simple and non-controversial statement. Let's take a look at it:
You can easily do experiments that show that viewers have an easier time extracting information in a specific graphic design than in others.
Let's have one graphic design in the experiment be a standard set of histograms
Re:No, you can't (Score:2)
You clearly understood what I meant that different viewers, different demographics and different people would be more comfortable in different designs. So stop nitpicking and being a jackass.
Tonight on the Data Channel (Score:1)
Re:who made this tuft guy czar (Score:2)
SHOW ME THE DATA: without data, it is just tufts opionion
since you tufto-philiacs started this, i think the onus is on you to putup or shut up
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I have read the books; what makes tufte amusing is that he takes some obvious clunkers, and skewers them; harmless fun, although correcting doltish authors and lazy editors is a sisyphean task. But he is no
Go see a Tufte lecture (Score:3, Informative)
Why does this tufte guy get so much credit for so little, much of whih is either wrong or opinions on design, which, by definition, are subjective matters.
Judging from the spelling in your post, I'm guessing this is a troll but I'll bite anyhow. One of Tufte's messages is to maximize the data-ink ratio. One way of doing that is by doing "so little" as you put it. Many of the standard plot styles (e.g., bar chart) and be redesigned slightly by removing extraneous graphical elements to make the data rea
Re:Go see a Tufte lecture (Score:2, Interesting)
He promotes himself aggressively.
He picks on some sacred cows that need to be picked on, such Powerpoint. (It is alarming that business leaders believe it is reasonable to expect complex ideas to be explained in a few sentence fragments.)
Tufte missed the boat on interactive computing - he's stuck on the printed page. Which is OK, but how are you reading this? I did notice in one of his latest talks that the sort of icons and tiny unreadable plots that would be bad if other
Re:Go see a Tufte lecture (Score:2)
oh..no studies, just tufts opinion
(by the way, both the napolean march and the rail time tables he likes, are , if you read the books, and I did the 1st, not really the sort of thing tufte likes.
he is like modern architecture: loudmouthed opinion without any real foundation
I stand by my post
obligatory Soviet Russia (Score:4, Funny)
favourite toolkit? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:3, Informative)
You also have an easier time saving it as a picture file of high quality, either as an
Its a bit tricky to use Ad
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:4, Informative)
RLPlot [sourceforge.net] is really nice, working towards being the opensource SigmaPlot..
... It even does error bars on coloured bar charts! (not seen that in any other graphing program on Linux, not even gnuplot). It exports nice vector graphics charts that import into Lyx nicely.
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:4, Informative)
Really. It took me a LONG time to come to this conclusion, mainly because it scared my away with the whole "file parsing" concept, but it has tons of features, high quality output, good TeX integration.
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Jedidiah.
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Ploticus [sourceforge.net] is a versatile, free program, although more for presentation and business graphics than scientific plots.
ChartDirector [advsofteng.com] is commercial software but it's cheap and the free version is a complete implimentation with an inobtrusive watermark.
Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:1)
For more 3D and eye-candy stuff, VTK+Python is great
Finally, for my daily tasks, I use gnuplot a lot. Like another poster say, I may not be the most fanciest piece of software, but it does the job for me... Where I work, we were used to Matlab, but Mathworks (a truly rogue company if you ask me, but that's another subject) has decided to cha
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Re:favourite toolkit? (Score:2)
VTK simply encourages you to buy their books - the books are in no way necessary to use VTK. They have quite comprehensive documentation which can be found online [vtk.org], downloaded as a tarball [sourceforge.net], or as compressed html [sourceforge.net], or if you like, generated from the source download via Doxygen.
If you want a less technical introduction, or a lon detailed explanation of how the 3D moelling technology works then the User's Guide or
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Changed my view of life (Score:2, Interesting)
However, the graphics of 3D molecular structures that start off simple and then end up in a huge DNA helix just blow me away and I spent yesterday morning staring at them in wonder (more than I have ever studied a work of art). Somebody put a lot of effort into that and I now have
Re:Changed my view of life (Score:1)
It's not acheived without real suffering...
And Tufte is a god
Coloring the Universe (Score:5, Informative)
This reminds me of this issue [space.com]:
Slate explains [slate.com] that the raw images from space telescopes are colored with Photoshop before they are released to the public. The 'Pillars of Creation [pbs.org]' shows the difference that color makes. You can download the free Photoshop plug-in [spacetelescope.org] to color your own images.
Synthesis. (Score:4, Interesting)
One of the problems with synthesis today is that it is too scientific
I recently made a commitment as a synth builder to attempt to enforce a few rules on myself; one of them is the "No Label Philosophy", which basically means that if a knob needs a label in order for the user to work out what it does when they turn it, then its a poor interface design, but if it doesn't, its a strong one.
The question I have is, where are other examples of 'illustration pushing concept' in the slashdott'ers world today? Have you recently seen some examples of graphical/icon-based design being used to clearly communicate very high-order concepts to the end user? What are they? Anyone got any pointers to examples of superlative graphical interface function, where you know instinctively what is going to happen because the picture tells you so?
Re:Synthesis. (Score:1)
At first read of that, I thought you were saying (more or less) "..it is not until synth players visually can see the waves produced by their synth, do they 'grok' their synthesizer."
As a synth player myself, and a very visual person, this made me realise a visual display representing the wave (and envelope, etc) being produced would sig
Re:Synthesis. (Score:2)
Understanding = images + contextual info (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is most felt in dealing with non-specialists. For example, all microscopists will instantly recognize the implications of a given visual patterns of an osmium tetroxide stain [vt.edu] in an image. In contrast, other scientists, lay people, voters, politicians, PHBs, etc. need some grounding in what the image shows, how it differs from "normal" and what the image means. A few suggestions for improving the understandability of an image include:
I premet an image to an equation (Score:1)
proxi
Re:I premet an image to an equation (Score:1)
I have to take offense to that. I hardly think scientist publish long list of equations because they think its "hot". The equations need to be published so that when the time comes and someone wants to build on their work, then the formulism is their for the community.
Re:I premet an image to an equation (Score:1)
Graphics for Processing (Score:3, Informative)
Most of the data that i use is spatial: topography, bathymetry, salinity concentrations..
Anyway, my point is that after i write some code to process the data
(I am developing an ecological model that tracks subsidence of marshland based on a whole bunch of environmental and geophysical parameters)
the best and easiest way for me to verify the output is reasonable is to draw a picture of it. I have spent probably 60% of my time writing software that displays the data in a graphical format.
However, this is only to verify that my data is close to accurate.. like say everything looks like it should.
You still can't beat some statistics for really checking the quality of the output.
Also, after watching a large number of presentations on theses, scientific studies, etc.. i would say that 0.05% of those presenters know nothing more of scientifc graphing than pushing buttons in xcel and seeing the nice graphics that pop up.
I mean, most of them dont even change the default graphic colors, so they are up there, talking about something and behind them is that crappy Xcel purple color.
Quaternions (Score:2, Interesting)
Pretty pictures for art's sake (Score:1)
It would be a shame if journal article authors never looked past the default MS Excel graphs for their presentation.
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check it out (Score:2, Informative)
Think simple and elegant. (Score:4, Insightful)
Animated and 3D graphics (Score:3, Interesting)
Absolutely Shameless Plug (Score:4, Informative)
PNGwriter was originally written with scientists in mind. The need to create an image from the result of a scientific computer simulation arises as a natural part of scientific programming. Getting the data out of the program and into a high quality image in an efficient way can sometimes be hard, especially if the user is not a very experienced programmer. The methods used can often be highly inefficient or too complex to be feasible.
PNGwriter is a very easy to use open source graphics library that uses PNG as its output format. The interface has been designed to be as simple and intuitive as possible. It supports plotting and reading in the RGB (red, green, blue), HSV (hue, saturation, value/brightness) and CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow, black) colour spaces, basic shapes, scaling, bilinear interpolation, full TrueType antialiased and rotated text support, bezier curves, opening existing PNG images and more. Documentation in English and Spanish. Runs under Linux, Unix, Mac OS X and Windows. Requires libpng and optionally FreeType2 for the text support.
It has been packaged for or is a part of Debian (stable), Ubuntu, Arch and FreeBSD.
The website is available in English, Spanish and (in summary form) in Japanese, and contains many examples, an online version of the PDF manual, a FAQ section and more.
Take a look:
http://pngwriter.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Hope you find it useful!
SVG: Scalable (or Semantic) Vector Graphics (Score:2, Interesting)
(A fairytale of magic pictures)
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"A kind of HTML, the codingsystem used for the layout of webpages, but
then for graphics". That's what SVG is about. SVG is an abbreviation of
Scalable Vector Graphics and describes how something is to be presented.
The thickness of the lines, the patterns to fill planes, color
distribution, masks and filters for effects like smooth flows, and more.
In August of this year a international conference on SVG is held in
Enschede and Ruud Steltenpool# is one of the
Re:funnels (Score:1)
diagrams for discrete process modeling (Score:3, Interesting)
Considering the popularity of such techniques I find it odd how little material I have encountered on their actual useability, compared to other forms of representation. There still appear to be hordes of professionals in the software industry who routinely dismiss diagram techniques as being useless, or worse, a tell-tale sign of a weak mind (as Dijkstra did), without feeling the slightest need to substantiate such sentiment with evidence of any kind. At the same time, none of the proponents of diagram techniques I have seen (speaking or in writing) make any serious useability arguments in favour. Clearly it's easy to draw up small examples on which a particular diagram technique does well, and other examples to discredit the same technique. But that is the full extent to which the matter seems to be dealt with, even among professional software design specialists, such as the designers of the UML.
So what I have been reading, mostly between the lines, is that formulas are "too hard" while diagrams are "too easy". Well, on the whole there may be a grain of truth in this thought, but I'd like to see more details. Are there any serious studies on the useability for diagrams (vs. that of tables, or formulas, or other types of visualizations) for conveying information? Or is this whole subject really as trivial as everybody appears to believe?
Details, details. (Score:1)
How to Share Graphics Once You Make Them (Score:1)
The best tool for sharing the graphics after they are produced is http://depicto.com/ [depicto.com]
Depicto is great. It lets you and other remote users interactively comment/edit/modify graphics. One of the best remote-office tools I've seen in a while.
Disclaimer: I don't have any stake in Depicto but I am friends with the developer.
typo that matters (Score:1, Informative)