Python's Cheese Shop Now Open

Richard Jones writes "Python's software repository has finally got its own home at the Python Cheese Shop. The Cheese Shop includes the package index (PyPI) and package download repository."

The Python Cheese Shop Sketch

[TripMaster Monkey]

Customer: Now, then, some packages, my good man.
Owner: Certainly, sir! What would you like?
Customer: How about some nice bitbake?
Owner: I'm afraid we're fresh out of bitbake, sir.

Customer: No matter...have you any testoob?
Owner: Not...as...such, sir.
Customer: Well then, perhaps some SiGL?
Owner: Normally, yes, sir. Hard drive broke down.
Customer: I see...do you in fact have any packages?
Owner: Certainly, sir! This is The Cheese Shop, sir! We have -
Customer: No no no...don't tell me, I'm keen to guess...

Re:The Python Cheese Shop Sketch

[Hikaru79]

Don't be too hard on the owner, it's not his fault. That's what happens when you get slashdotted.

Re:The Python Cheese Shop Sketch

[Richard Jones]

Nicely done :)

Re:The Python Cheese Shop Sketch

[smittyoneeach]

Customer: Well, then, have you got any Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
Owner: Sir, this is a self-respecting establishment. I shall thank you not to imply we should traffic in VB, much less, even mention the foul product.

This confirms everything Ive thought about pythong

[bergeron76]

It's just plain cheesylicious.

Aside from all the great things I know/have learned about python, it still seems to be the only language that _always_ suffers from some kind of runtime problem when I try to use it.

Every time I've tried to run a python script, it's bailed on me for one reason or another, and with a cryptic failure code. Which really sucks, because everyone that uses it seems to love it and I'd love to have an introduction to it that worked.

Of course, I thought the same things about Perl too,

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[interiot]

If they're problems that are related the she-bang (#!/usr/bin/perl), then user-friendliness problems are in teh kernel itself. The #! thing is a hack inside the kernel itself, and as such, does very minimal parsing. So, it doesn't search the path for the perl or python interpretters (unless you use /usr/bin/env, which is also not ideal for a couple reasons).

I don't know. Maybe a better solution would be to create a variable like $SHELL, but call it $SHEBANG. When a script starts with #!$SHEBANG, the k

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[Linus Torvaalds]

Start scripts with:

#!/usr/bin/env python

It'll do the right thing whenever python is in $PATH.

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[interiot]

Right, but as I mentioned in my post, that's not 100% perfect either.

The first problem is that env isn't located in (or accessible from) /usr/bin/ in all flavors of unix. This usually isn't a problem, but when it is a problem, the user gets a very cryptic error. ("./parent_script.py not found").

The second problem is that different kernels parse the remaining arguments differently. So if you did this:

#!/usr/bin/env python -W all

On linux, python would see the following args:

argv[0] = "W -all"

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[MechaShiva]

And this just confirms I'm not the only one who types 'pythong' instead of 'python' when I'm in a rush. Thanks.

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[dimator]

Cryptic failure code? I have always admired python for its verbose failure messages, which usually include a traceback... not sure what you mean by cryptic failure code...

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[Nevyn]

Cryptic failure code?

Yes, as in cryptic for the user. The following is roughly what I see in the wild, when using python vs. almost anything else:

% cat x.pl
open(IN, "< X") || die "open: $!"
% perl x.pl
open: No such file or directory at x.pl line 1.

% cat x.py
open("X")
% python x.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "x.py", line 1, in ?
open("X")
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'X'

...yes, in theory, the python program could do:

import sys

try:
open("X")
except IOError, (errno,

Re:This confirms everything Ive thought about pyth

[ZvlvLord]

Do you have specific examples ? Show me the code. Just saying that everytime you wrote a Python script, it bailed on you, doesn't count. Where's the meat ? Let's get to it. I'll bet you half a box of beers that the mistake is on your side. If it's a bug with the libs that you use, post a bug report and be happy. There is NO BUG-LESS software, get used to it.

mmmm...

[AtariAmarok]

mmmmm. free government cheese. mmmmmm.

missing something

[same_old_story]

sorry for being, lazy, I didn't read the fucking repository but...
a) why is this different from the vault of parnassus?
b) missed the cheese joke (not a big m. python fan I guess...)

Re:missing something

[KrisW]

It seems to me that the only way it's different from the Vaults Of Parnassus is that there's way more stuff in the latter. Maybe it's easier to update than the Vaults.

No comment on the cheese sketch.

Re:missing something

[Ignominious Cow Herd]

a) why is this different from the vault of parnassus?

It's so clean.

b) missed the cheese joke (not a big m. python fan I guess...)

See answer to a)

Re:missing something

[Seumas]

More importantly - why do Python people choose such stupid names for this stuff?

Re:missing something

[Ignominious Cow Herd]

Right, because yacc, bison, parrot, beagle, mozilla, apache, zope, gkrellm and superkaramba are all such normal names.

Re:missing something

[Seumas]

Um. No, more like CPAN.

You listed languages and products. We're talking about a software archive.

Re:

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Re:missing something

[indifferent children]

No, Yum is an RPM package manager. Totally different.

A Bad Choice of Name

[wintermute1974]

What a strange name to give a supposedly useful website. Clearly, the Python language was named after Monty Python, but in trying to keep the joke going, they have made a bad choice in name.

In the Cheese Emporium sketch [serve.com], the customer walks into to a cheese store, spends a great deal of time trying to figure out what is available, and in the end leaves the store angry and empty handed.

So if you go to Python's Cheese Shop, are you supposed to be tantalized with all sorts of wonderful modules, only to find th

Re:missing something

[foote]

I agree that the name is silly. And I like Python the language, and Python the Monty as well. It's just time for Graham Chapman's colonel to come in and say "Right, this is too silly, I'm closing this site down. Move along."

Somebody in another comment responded to a complaint about the name by saying "Right, because yacc, bison, parrot, beagle, mozilla, apache, zope, gkrellm and superkaramba are all such normal names." Point taken, but Cheese Shop, or Bicycle Repairman, go beyond these others, in my opini

Package repository, eh?

[daeley]

Well, it's certainly uncontaminated by package trees.

I can understand humor

[xutopia]

but damnit what the heck is wrong with this picture? I thought to myself that the cheese shop was a demo akin to the store demo we've seen with java and C#. No instead I see a website that just confused me. Why can't they write it clearly on the site what it is?

Re:I can understand humor

[Richard Jones]

Thankyou for your feedback. A short introduction for the newb has been added.

Re:Say what now Py folks?

[afd8856]

there's quite a difference. PyPi is a collection of python software, while CPAN serves mostly as a collection of perl modules.

The Python community really needs to have an overview of the software available for use, so this repository, together with the wiki from python.org is really good of introducing newcomers to what's available.

How disappointing

[macshit]

Man, I was all revved up for some online cheese ordering action (the more obscure and malodorous the better), and all this site seems to have is a bunch of software packages. Besides the opening quote (which we've all heard before anyway) there's nary a hint of cheese anywhere.

Re:How disappointing

[Vo0k]

Somehow I find it disturbing: it has a cheesy look and a fishy smell.

I'm a Python coder & a great Python fan, but .

[dotzie]

... but this is plain disappointing.

Why do they included each _version_ of a package in the repository? EmPy [python.org] listed and counted in the category list 4 times.

How can I easily download a package, including all of it's dependencies? Or, how can I just download a package from CheeseShop automatically, using a command-line utility?

Re:I'm a Python coder & a great Python fan, bu

[rakanishu]

http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstal l [telecommunity.com]

So they're naming the repository...

[LazyBoy]

for a shop that didn't have anything in it?

Re:So they're naming the repository...

[Richard Jones]

That's the *point*, it's *ironic humour* :)