South Africa's Broadband Industry in Turmoil

Gldm writes from South Africa that "things are heading towards all-out war down here. Our regulatory board ICASA (think FCC) finally woke up and publihsed the results of hearings on 446 complaints about monopoly broadband provider Telkom, which was deregulated back in Febuary, and proposed new regulations to take effect in four weeks. ICASA demands the 3GB monthly traffic cap be removed, port shaping removed, minimum speed requirements be enforced, and that Telkom stop double-charging customers." Read on for the rest; it sounds like (for once!) broadband customers in the U.S. can be grateful for relatively good broadband, instead of envious of South Korea's ubiquitous high-speed access.

"Currently we pay exorbitant rates: a monthly fee for the physical line of R87, then Telkom charges a fee of R270 to R477 depending on line speed 192-512kbps, and THEN the standard ISP fee, which is typically another R300-500 or more. This means a total monthly DSL cost of around R1000 or about US $160 for a 512k line with 3GB of traffic before you get cut off, and all ports but 80 useless internationally. ICASA says Telkom should charge a fixed fee to cover the line cost when it is installed like every other country, not a monthly fee.

Telkom's response is that ICASA doesn't know how to run a network and this would make the network "unsustainable" and prevent them from recovering R1bn in investments. They've threatened to not only to stop investing in new infrastructure, but also shut down all DSL service in the country, bringing business to a standstill.

Local politcal group the Inkatha Freedom Party has sided with ICASA and is saying Telkom must not be allowed to hold the country hostage. They're calling for the Minister of Communications to step in, but so far no official word from high up in the government."

Re:Fake story

[FidelCatsro]

I thought that was a random troll , till i noticed it was a reply .
Checked on the parent post and what do you know .
Your 100% right , he is a bit ignorant indeed.
Why do people continually think of Africa as a single nation , Its an entire continent with many wide and diverse cultures . Taking three extremes ,Egypt , South Africa and Somalia .
Its like saying the USA , Mexico and Lithuania and basically the same country.

Re:Fake story

[madaxe42]

Now now, calm down, I was in Mevilnius York City last week, speaking Spamuanian (that's what they speak in Melithica), and I can say with utter certainty that you are behind the times my friend! Those three great bastions of western democracy fused into a great hegemonised wondernation.

So, which part of Africaland did you say you were from? It's only little, about the size of spain, which is a peninsula on the small island of Europe, off the coast of Florida, part of the great nation state of Melithica. I

Re:Fake story

[armondf]

so, which part of the united states of the world... sorry... America are you from? Understandably, we *do* ride elephants to our tribal jobs of hunter-gathering while painting rocks with pictures of antelope, kudu and coke cans... Did I say coke cans? Yeah, we've got MacDonalsds and banks and people who speak *real* English - oh yeah - we have that little interconnected network called the Internet. Oh, and the nearest you'll get to an Elephant in Africa? A zoo or an Elephant Park.

Re:Fake story

[antitrust.co.za]

you are a complete idiot. enough said. are people really this stupid in america?

More info

[Vo0k]

http://www.hellkom.co.za/ [hellkom.co.za]
We All Love hellkom :)

MyADSL

[fergus_bear]

The site that initiated the complaints is www.myadsl.co.za [myadsl.co.za], a forum for users of ADSL in South Africa that got fed up with the shoddy service and lodged the complaint with the regulator. Thanks to Telkom [hellkom.co.za] South Africa is still in the Dark Ages when it comes to internet access. Hopefully with recent developments we'll have better service soon!

Re:MyADSL

[baldass_newbie]

Right. It's the company that operates in a heavily-regulated industry's fault.
What if there were, I don't know, TWO companies? What then?

Come chat about it on #myadsl on efnet.

[Gldm]

We've got a nice IRC channel for people who don't believe SA has internet. Also our own server, irc.ac.za (though your ping to it will probably suck), and for the clientless, http://www.ircd.co.za/ [ircd.co.za] for a java client to it. Or if you just like forums, http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/ [mybroadband.co.za]

I would have submitted this sooner, but it seems that any time I'm at work, if I try to post a comment on slashdot, it gives me "You can't post to this page." Yet it works fine at home on another ISP. I've tried asking what's going on, if it's some kind of domain ban, but nobody ever replied.

Re:Come chat about it on #myadsl on efnet.

[Tony-A]

Most likely you are not the only one on your work ip.

Re:Come chat about it on #myadsl on efnet.

[Gldm]

Given that there's no such thing as static IP in this country, I wouldn't doubt it, but I have no idea what the exact issue is or how to adress it.

International calls from South Africa

[badfish99]

When I worked in SA a few years ago, the procedure for calling England from work was as follows:
1. Dial a special number in the US. Let it ring and then put the phone down.
2. A machine in the US would then call me back.
3. The machine would then connect me to another phone line in the US, and I would dial the number I wanted in England.
This resulted in two phone calls from the US, one to SA and one to England. It was explained to me that this was *much* cheaper than paying the SA telecom's monopoly rates for one call

Does this sort of thing still go on?

Re:International calls from South Africa

[Hognoxious]

This resulted in two phone calls from the US, one to SA and one to England.

Wow, their rates must be bad if it's cheaper to make four calls...

Did they say this with a straight face?

[Cantide]

Wow.

"Icasa has displayed a fundamental misunderstanding in network design. It appears the findings are based on reports by parties at the hearings, and Icasa did not apply its mind on how broadband is offered worldwide."

ICASA says Telkom should charge a fixed fee to cover the line cost when it is installed like every other country, not a monthly fee.

I was going to crack a Nigerian Spam joke, but sometimes life provides its own punchlines.

Radically different cost structures

[Frantactical Fruke]

I suspect that most Korean traffic comes from Korean language sites, which are mostly conveniently located in the same small country.

US traffic probably comes mostly from American sites, but also from English speaking countries around the world as well as European sites published in English, which is our defacto lingua franca.

South Africans probably browse sites from all over the world, like I do here in Finland: 99% of sites I visit come from overseas, which makes me a much more expensive customer than tha

Re:Radically different cost structures

[alienw]

Transatlantic cables are expensive, but they aren't expensive enough that 512k DSL would cost $160 a month. South Africa has excellent connectivity, anyway. There are lots of trunks across the continent, connections to Europe, as well as transatlantic cables. The only reason DSL is so overpriced is because it's a monopoly.

Re:Radically different cost structures

[alienw]

You can never have true competition for fixed-line service, simply because it's not feasible for more than one company to run cables to each subscriber. Trying to make them share the infrastructure is next to impossible. Ultimately, the key here is strong regulation -- the government needs to step in and lower the prices. The real problem here is corrupt government.

errrrrrr

[hellkom]

Why the fuck wasnt this on the front page? is it cos everyone thinks we see lions when we step out of our back door? Lack of education is one thing but ignorance goes hand in hand along with it.

Re:errrrrrr

[incom]

It's true, I used to think that SA'ians were racist assholes, until I did some reading on the history of the place, much different scenario than what most people would guess.

http://www.antitrust.co.za Fighting TELKOM

[antitrust.co.za]

So you want to know the issues and fight back? Join http://www.antitrust.co.za/ [antitrust.co.za] and help us out. Antitrust.co.za carries all the telkom issues/news and protest actions.

LOL 3GB cap!!!

[skintigh2]

I've downloaded more than that in a single file in one night, and I hardly ever download anything.

Thank you puretna...

Loving the Abuse

[Doc Ruby]

I should be "grateful" that I get what I pay for, in addition to paying for it? And I shouldn't want the best service possible to be available for purchase, as Koreans prove can be delivered, just because somewhere else has it even worse? I guess my delusions spring from not having lived long enough under Telkom's heel. Although living under Bell, then AT&T's heel for decades hasn't destroyed my ability to demand the best.

And how does the regulators requiring the telco honor their agreements spell "turm

Re:Loving the Abuse

[Doc Ruby]

I understand you've got monopoly problems. Our service in the US would be even worse if we didn't have a duopoly practically everywhere, combined with a monopoly-friendly government, deprioritizing universal broadband.

But someone did say that we shouldn't push for the best service possible here in the US - or at least blatantly implied it. When they said we should be "grateful" we have the service we do, rather than complain that it's not as good as Koreans have. It's very difficult to be both grateful for