



FCC Approves Sprint-Nextel Merger 242
Luke writes "Sprint and Nextel received approval from the Federal Communications Commission to merge to form the number three wireless company on Wednesday. FCC commissioners gave the companies unanimous support for the merger. The companies, which announced the merger on Dec. 14, 2004, expect to finalize the merger soon."
Yaaaay!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yaaaay!! (Score:2)
Well, this certainly simplifies shopping! (Score:3, Informative)
After the ATT-Cingular merger and the Nextel-Sprint merger, we'll only have two of each kind of answer. This will make shopping so much faster!
Ultimately we'll just have two monopolies: PhonesThatWork, Inc. an
So, monopolies are good after all, eh? (Score:2)
You would prefer it if the whole world adopts a mediocre, rushed-out standard whose only advantage is its installed base (GSM), over a well-thought out, high-performance technology (CDMA) that beats it hands down in every conceivable technological aspect, like support for much larger cell sizes, coverage, battery life, ease of deployment, capacity, frequency reuse and inter-cell handoff?
Are you aware that the GSM
Re:So, monopolies are good after all, eh? (Score:2)
In western Europe, many network operators started before the first CDMA standard existed. Nevertheless, it's true that the European states specifically handed out GSM licenses, which makes sense if you want to ensure interoperability between the ne
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Re:So, monopolies are good after all, eh? (Score:2)
Not quite. GSM was a group by CEPT (the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations). It was indeed independent of the EU's directive to reserve the 900 MHz band, because it was founded before (actually it seems that the directive was passed to allow this grou
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Re:So, monopolies are good after all, eh? (Score:2)
No, but I do work in the CDMA industry... and used to work in the GSM industry before. I know what I am talking about, having had to mop up the problems with real deployments on either side.
> though in practice both find power levels end up having a bigger affect than GSM's timeslot protection imposed limits.
Absolutely incorrect. In GSM, it is theoretically impossible to have cell sizes larger than a few kilometers
Re:So, monopolies are good after all, eh? (Score:2)
The name is unfortunate, but it's not CDMA. Underneath W-CDMA's covers is still GSM.
It does not mean that GSM has been supplanted by CDMA. Industry buzz says that quite the opposite is happening and there's even a persistent rumor that Vodafone, the world's largest GSM provider and majority owner of Verizon Wireless, may eventually convert VZW to W-CDMA.
Re:Yaaaay!! (Score:2)
-h-
Fraternization (Score:2, Funny)
The two worst. (Score:4, Funny)
Ugh. Just what we need. This is like when your huge, fat, impotent, blubbering idiot of a third cousin marries your bitchy, chain-smoking, slut of a first cousin. Nothing can result from the union except terrible, retarded things.
Re:The two worst. (Score:2)
Oh great... (Score:3, Funny)
{bee-deep} "Billy!"
{bee-deep} "Yeah!"
{bee-deep} "Where ya at?"
{bee-deep} "At lunch!"
{bee-deep} "What?"
{bee-deep} "At luunncchh!"
{bee-deep} "Where?" (...)
Just like K-mart/Sears (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Just like K-mart/Sears (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Just like K-mart/Sears (Score:3, Funny)
Oh man, what a great sig... (Score:2)
I laughed out loud when I read your sig, because I've seen firsthand how government inefficiently is helping Nextel prosper and grow.
I just quit my job at the county Parks and Recreation department, and everyone there has
Re:Oh man, what a great sig... (Score:2)
Re:Just like K-mart/Sears (Score:2, Informative)
In all actuality, I believe this merger puts a lot of the spectrum in the hands of the new company. This will allow them to expand their markets to compete with DSL (potentially). Also if they can get private call working between their two networks, the economic "network effect" will bring th
What's the new name? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What's the new name? (Score:3, Funny)
Sprextel. Nint. Sprextint. Better yet, I'll see your "Vista" and raise you a "SpreXP".
Re:What's the new name? (Score:2)
Re:What's the new name? (Score:2)
Technology (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Then what happens to Push to Talk?
I would hope it would die, but unfortunately Sprint happens to have the same feature already anyway...
Why do people bother with this? Why don't they just call each other? It is bad enough when I have to listen to half of a conversation. Now I get to sit in a restaraunt, or other public place, and hear:
Phone: *BLEEP BLEEP* Hey, are you there?
Guy: Yeah, I am here
Phone: *BLEEP BLEEP* Where are you?
Guy: I am at a restaurant.
Phone: *BLEEP BLEEP* What did you say?
Re:Technology (Score:2)
But year "push to talk" is just stupid from a personal point of view, this is 21st century people should be just talking to each other over videophones soon.
Re:Technology (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Technology (Score:3, Funny)
You must be new here.
Think of the phone sex possibilities.
On second thought...
Re:Technology (Score:2)
No free mobile-to-mobile minutes, but they are the only US carrier to offer unlimited free incoming calls 24x7 (like the rest of the civilized world) AFAIK. My friends have gotten used to me calling and saying "call me back!" or texting them to call me. I keep looking at a Cingular crackberry, but I use about 1600 minutes a month, and use only 200 of 600 plan minutes. My plan inclu
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Chances are some of your friends will have Verizon too. You'll get good signal quality, good customer service and no need to ask people to "call you back", you can talk to you wife as much as you can. And no I don't work for them. I switched to Verizon
Re:Technology (Score:2)
No, it sucks, you're right! I would gladly trade free unlimited national 2-way radio for free mobile-to-mobile calls and nights that start at 7pm. But its not there yet, and no one else can touch the free incoming calls 24x7 in the states. I'm not talking $250 totally unlimited plans, I'm talking $60/mo to never pay for an inbound call.
Sometimes I wish I knew a number to call to leave a voicemail for my friends so they'd think they just mi
Re:Technology (Score:2, Informative)
Some people misuse it, this is true. Explain to them that the little "speaker" button on the top of their phone turns off the speaker-phone aspect. This means they have to hold it like a regular ph
Re:Technology (Score:2)
I absolutely hate the push-to-talk/walkie talkie Nextel and Sprint phones. It is turning all of their customers "ghetto fabulous" when it comes to public manners.
The walkie talkie users should get a clue and understand that the rest of us don't even want to hear ONE side of the conversation from them.
Instead
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Maybe so, but Sprint's credit check is not...
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Having said that, people who use the feature for purposes other than coordinating work (whether that be business work, or personal work) are retarded. You don't ping your buddy at the restaurant to see if he wants to go to the bar tonight. You call him like normal.
Re:Technology (Score:5, Insightful)
You obviously have never done contract work in the field. The ability to ping people you are working with real quick without making an official phone call is great.
Text messaging is usually good for such things. The receiver does not have to respond right away, and they can read the message more than once. I would imagine a vibrating phone/2-way is less of a disturbance than a phone going '*BLEEP BLEEP* Are you there?'
You may even be able to send out a quick text reply without interrupting anyone else.
You don't ping your buddy at the restaurant to see if he wants to go to the bar tonight.
Actually, text messaging is quite good for this. I do not need to know that he is going right this minute. He can likely tell me any time in the next few hours. Of course, I have no idea if he is in a meeting, napping, out to lunch with someone important. I do not need to know, he can respond any time.
Please correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems to me that text messaging and push to talk are both best used for asyncronous communications. Don't push to talk messages disappear immediately after you hear them, or are they saved? I am under the impression that they disappear. For me, that would severely limit its uses...
I have to admit though, text messaging was much easier on my old Motorola 2 way pager than it is on the average cell phone. I can probably thumb about 4-6 characters per second on those things... I imagine I am more like 1-2 on a phone :).
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Re:Technology (Score:5, Interesting)
Which is an important point here missed by many. Nextel, in effort to offer to step out of the way of emergency services was granted back in February the right to exchange the crappy frequencies they built their business on for awesome new ones for half off. Saved billions in the process.
1. Buy up radio licenses from trucking companies operating in 800MHz all over the country.
2. Build a cellular network with those frequencies geared towards business (i.e. markup city)
3. Pound the emegency service radios until they beg the FCC to do something.
4. Exchange the crappy, life-threatening frequencies for shiny new ones at fire sale prices.
Maybe we'll get some interesting new services on those frequencies. Crap, I forgot "profit" somewhere in there.
"Nextel, the #1 preferred carrier for delivery boys, tow truck drivers and construction workers in all 50 states. 51 if you count Canada."
Re:Technology (Score:2)
0. Be high up in the FCC when you get the idea.
Re:Technology (Score:2)
Who profits from it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Would they have to privide dual chipset phones to take advantage of all the Nextel infrastructure? I suspect Motorola will lose out, because CDMA seems to be better suited for the future and is used more widely. Nextel will probably be converted to CDMA and Sprint will get the huge Nextel corporate contracts as soon as it can implement the local "walkie-talkie" feature that Nextel customers love so much.
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
[I'm talking about standalone pcmcia card service, unlimited use. Yes, I know EV-DO is better, but its going to take a long time for coast to coast. By that time we're going to see Flash-OFDM deployed in major cities, anyhow]
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
It would have made sense for Sprint and Verizon to merge.
From a technical standpoint, this is true. However, as luck would have it, I bet if Verizon and Sprint merged, you'd get Sprint's terrible coverage combined with Verizon's terrible customer service!
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
In my office the only carrier that works is Verizon. Their customer service sucks though, and Sprint's is generally good.
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
The i850 now has an off-network walkie-talkie. And the walkie-talkie vs normal cell calls is more useful than it seems. Don't get me wrong, I want to shove it down peoples' throats when they use it in restaurants, but it is useful at times.
Re:Who profits from it? (Score:2)
RadioShack! (Score:2)
My suggestion (Score:4, Insightful)
Inevitably, you have soccer moms and ghetto thugs (or wannabes) blasting their conversations across the entire room, and for some reason they feel the need to shout even louder than they normally would on a cell phone. (another thing that drives me nuts)
Re:My suggestion (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:My suggestion (Score:3, Interesting)
What began as a useful feature for business users, has become the height of obnoxiousness when used by individuals. It's unfortunate that it wasn't kept just to the expensive ruggedized Motorola-Nextel commercial handsets. You don't see regular people walking around using business two-way radios in public, and you shouldn't use a PTT cellphone either.
The only thing more expensive, IMO, are polyphonic ringtones. Whoever thought that it was a cool idea to allow every idiot with a cell
Re:My suggestion (Score:3, Interesting)
Agreed, I would have been much happier if they had just migrated the ruggedized handsets to the consumer market and left PTT with the business types. I'm th
Re:My suggestion (Score:2)
Inevitably, you have soccer moms and ghetto thugs (or wannabes) blasting their conversations across the entire room, and for some reason they feel the need to shout even louder than they n
Re:My suggestion (Score:2)
On the other hand, my Nextel is for business use, and it is invaluable at times. It's called "Direct Connect" for a reason - if I had to wait for a full connect via a
Re:My suggestion (Score:2)
And the new name of the compay is... (Score:2, Funny)
So hows does this work out... (Score:2)
The most important question (Score:4, Interesting)
Same as always... (Score:2)
Re:The most important question (Score:2)
Sorry, bad racing joke.
Re:The most important question (Score:2)
This is too easy (Score:2)
Will things get better? (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not so much the service itself (which is not great, I still get dropped calls from time to time, but it's acceptable). It's their crummy customer service and problem resolution system. They disconnected my service 'accidentally', claiming I hadn't paid my bill when I had, despite the fact their customer service reps told me their computers showed a credit on my account followed by a "I don't understand why this happened. Don't worry, we'll fix it. Your service will be on within four hours." Four hours would pass, no service, I'd call again, same response with a "oh, this time it will be different". This lasted 3 ½ days. To make matters worse, every time I'd call their "customer care" number and punch in my phone number, they'd bump me to their collections department, where I'd wait on hold before getting to speak with somebody who would insist I hadn't paid my bill until I convinced them to look at their computer, then transfer me back into the queue for their regular customer service. To make matters worse, about one out of every three calls I made connected me with such a thick accent I couldn't understand them, and they had real trouble understanding me.
There's a lot more; this is just the problem I've had in the last week. I'm stuck in this contract with them for another 11 months and to date fully expect to ditch them as soon as my contract is up.
So my question is this: with Nextel, can I expect things to get any better?
And people wonder why job creation is sluggish (Score:4, Insightful)
Right now only five software companies create 75% of the revenues in the software industry here in the United States, and people wonder why the tech-job market is exploding in India and China, while laws like Sarbanes-Oxley which are ironically intended to curb corporate corruption, only enhance its power at the expense of small and medium sized businesses.
I mean, at this rate the entire telecommunications industry will just be a monopoly in the very near future, or at the very least, a colluding duopoly like Visa and Mastercard which is arguably just as bad since it gives the false impression to the public that there is competition in the marketplace.
And why does our government allow these kind of mergers to take place without even thinking twice about the long-term consequences? Oh yah, it is the mistaken premise by the leaders of both political parties that corporations need to get fatter in order to compete in the "World Economy" with largely state owned businesses in China and India as well as the oligarchy oriented super-massive corporations of old Europe and Japan.
Until the United States (and the rest of the world for that matter) has a graduated corporate tax on revenues (not profits but revenues), things are going to get worse and worse for the worker as they will be stuck in a state of inertia slaving away in some cubicle at a super-massive corporation with no option of finding another job because no new jobs will be created due to small businesses getting the shaft by their own theoretically democratic government which constantly creates unnecessary laws which add relatively major costs of compliance to small businesses, while leaving large corporations relatively unscathed.
How are small businesses so supposed to compete against large corporations if all their capital is being drained by their government while large corporations can use their political influence to get tax breaks and sweet heart deals to add to their bottom line.
I mean seriously, when will the American public get the drift that corporate mergers are not some special unification to be joyous about as if corporate mergers should be treated as some kind of state wedding.
Re:And people wonder why job creation is sluggish (Score:2)
I'm not an economist, but that is about the dumbest suggestion I have heard for corporate tax reform.
Take a $10 billion dollar company with a 10% margin. Currently we'll say they are taxed at 25% of their 10% profit. Their taxes are now $250 million. If you decide that equals a 2.5% tax on revenue, what happens to another $10 billion dollar company with only 2% profitab
Re:And people wonder why job creation is sluggish (Score:2)
Re:And people wonder why job creation is sluggish (Score:2)
To the head of the class! Although there are two good reasons to use corporations as collection points for taxes:
- it's cheaper and more efficient than collecting them individually from every employee, shareholder, and customer; and
- you also get to tax *foreign* shareholders, employees, and customers, if indirectly.
A perhaps better tax scheme would be to tax o
Like, whoa (Score:2)
Aside from having shittier coverage in cities, these providers are better about embracing technology and opening their networks.
I can't help but to wonder what this means for customers. Nextel has been pushing mobile devices as business tools for a long time (walkie-talkie feature, sophisticated pager-like functionality, etc.) whereas Sprint seems to focus more on casual use (they provide the dialtone for Virgin Mobile). Hopefully they continue to build on these areas instead of chip away at them...
Co
CHIRP CHIRP! Where you at? (Score:2)
Sprint-Nextel Merger - the name (Score:2)
Also, phone numbers will now be big-endian.
No Such Thing As A Good Cell Carrier (Score:2, Funny)
Re:No Such Thing As A Good Cell Carrier (Score:2, Interesting)
'Tis beauty itself.
Re:No Such Thing As A Good Cell Carrier (Score:2)
I have no complaints, even if it did take legal action to straighten the company out. And one of the best things about their customer service: no goddamned incomprehensible Indian accents!!!
Max
SIMs (Score:3, Interesting)
Sprint PCS is not Sprint (Score:3, Interesting)
Sprint PCS is a DBA name for Ubiqicom (sp?), apperently they licensed the Sprint name from the 'real' Sprint.
Kinda like that "Lawnmower Man" movie, based on "The Story by Stephen King", which sucked so bad.
Careful who you let use your business name.
Re:Sprint PCS is not Sprint (Score:2)
" UbiquiTel is the exclusive provider of Sprint digital wireless mobility communications network products and services under the Sprint brand name to midsize markets in the Western and Midwestern United States that include a population of approximately 10 million residents and cover portions of California, Nevada, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Indiana and Kentucky. "
As I live in Washington, I was dealing with UbiquiTel. Or whoever UbiquiTel outsources their custome
Homeland Security (Score:2)
Re:Homeland Security (Score:2)
Seems to me it just screwed Unocal stockholders, and upset the Chinese government at a time when Walmart and CityBank are trying to expand in China. Great going Congress!
Oil is a global commodity. It really doesn't matter who owns what rights. The only people who can actually influence its price are two or three countries in the Middle East, but as the price goes up they actually lose control because other previously unprofitabl
Re:Homeland Security (Score:2)
Dear Nextel, I almost pity you (Score:2)
In customer satisfaction surveys SprintPCS usually comes out slightly above North Korean Prison Camps, but not always.
Re:Dear Nextel, I almost pity you (Score:2)
"free market competition"? (Score:2)
Bring back Ma Bell!
Alternatively, let me propose an Act for Congress to promote free and fair competition:
1) in any interstate industry, including but not
limited to telecom, transportation, and
retail, if mergers result in less than
fou
The only reason this happened... (Score:2)
Merging two large companies in no way benefits the consumers or the regular workers of those companies seeings that you are trying to combine two almost independendant organizations together in a larger less organized organization.
Also trying to combine two incompatible network protocols would be very painful for all involved... In reality the smart way to merge with have just joint b
Re:sprintel or nexprint? (Score:2)
Re:sprintel or nexprint? (Score:2)
Re:sprintel or nexprint? (Score:2)
As many here are fond of saying, YMMV. It depends on where you are at any given time. I had Sprint for 2 years and changed to T-Mobile only because I wanted a cool phone. And the service stayed the same.
Yes, I've had dropped calls with both carriers, but it's not to the point of saying the entire organization "sucks." And if you find that while at your house or office the coverage is very bad, you can contact the carrier and
Re:sprintel or nexprint? (Score:2)
Re:iDen to Go? (Score:2)
I'll stick (or should I say - I am stuck for 2 yrs. ) to Verzon, == t
Re:iDen to Go? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:iDen to Go? (Score:2)
Re:iDen to Go? All roads lead to CDMA... (Score:2)
Re:iDen to Go? (Score:2)
Wouldn't Nextel have some interest in keeping the iDen network going instead of paying royalties over CDMA? Or is the cost of continuing to build out the iDen network more than the royalties? Or am I misunderstanding the whole thing?
1. Are they not paying royalties on iDEN? CDMA is a more open standard, simply because more than one manufacturer is able to make equipment. All iDEN equipment is Motorola, because Motorola owns iDEN and won't make it available to anyone else.
2. The iDEN network is sat
Re:iDen to Go? (Score:2)
Re:in other telco news... (Score:2)
Re:in other telco news... (Score:2)
Re:must be a slow day... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe I first to say (Score:2)
You completely missed a perfectly good joke. Look at this definition [m-w.com]